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On December 18 2023 19:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm straight up taking a break.
will post thoughts if I feel like it.
Do you believe this depressed Palmar post?
Do you believe he is reading you null and me possibly mafia?
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On December 19 2023 00:25 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 00:05 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 00:03 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:58 marvellosity wrote:On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:44 marvellosity wrote:
Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please? 1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all. The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game. His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him? Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious. Given the runaway lynch on Chez, can you not imagine the world where mafia (either Trfel alone or a group decision) make the choice to bus Chez and look good from it? What I’m saying is, if Trfel stuck on you and didn’t vote Chez and everyone else voted the same, he would look like 100% mafia after d2 lynch That would make sense if he had that change of heart after the day progressed, but I'm pretty sure he was one the first to actually call me town and tell people to go on Chez. At the point which he did I was advocating for his lynch, not Chez's The thing is I remember well the point you called him town and why. Pocketed you for the rest of the game, potentially, from that one play. You also "pocketed" me for the rest of the game by changing your vote to chez when you had every excuse not to. Should I also throw away this notion and assume it was a bad play?
Why is it a bad play? I was also suspicious of him. Chez normaly creeps me out. He is posting in meta that I don't understand, even if I put his posts in translate he posts doesn't make sense for me the most of the time. So beeing suspicious of him (just not as much as of Palmar) still makes me vote on him also when the vote was felling like playing in a casino. Chez is for me the hardest player to read and even if he seems suspect I am getting suspect of thinking why I think he is suspect. I am never 100% sure what the actual hell he is. Maybe it is his meta I don't understand or maybe because he creeped me out in other games with strange posts, but also having the only vote on Palmar doesn't make it better for me as Town as well. Useless vote. Nobody would have voted Palmar with me and Chez was in my head a good second option for lynch anyways just not preferred lynch
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On December 19 2023 00:45 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 00:25 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 00:05 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 00:03 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:58 marvellosity wrote:On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:44 marvellosity wrote:
Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please? 1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all. The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game. His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him? Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious. Given the runaway lynch on Chez, can you not imagine the world where mafia (either Trfel alone or a group decision) make the choice to bus Chez and look good from it? What I’m saying is, if Trfel stuck on you and didn’t vote Chez and everyone else voted the same, he would look like 100% mafia after d2 lynch That would make sense if he had that change of heart after the day progressed, but I'm pretty sure he was one the first to actually call me town and tell people to go on Chez. At the point which he did I was advocating for his lynch, not Chez's The thing is I remember well the point you called him town and why. Pocketed you for the rest of the game, potentially, from that one play. You also "pocketed" me for the rest of the game by changing your vote to chez when you had every excuse not to. Should I also throw away this notion and assume it was a bad play? Why is it a bad play? I was also suspicious of him. Chez normaly creeps me out. He is posting in meta that I don't understand, even if I put his posts in translate he posts doesn't make sense for me the most of the time. So beeing suspicious of him (just not as much as of Palmar) still makes me vote on him also when the vote was felling like playing in a casino. Chez is for me the hardest player to read and even if he seems suspect I am getting suspect of thinking why I think he is suspect. I am never 100% sure what the actual hell he is. Maybe it is his meta I don't understand or maybe because he creeped me out in other games with strange posts, but also having the only vote on Palmar doesn't make it better for me as Town as well. Useless vote. Nobody would have voted Palmar with me and Chez was in my head a good second option for lynch anyways just not preferred lynch
Sorry I really have to calm town was thinking you quoting me. I come later back I am too moody to play
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On December 19 2023 00:28 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 19:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm straight up taking a break.
will post thoughts if I feel like it. Do you believe this depressed Palmar post? Do you believe he is reading you null and me possibly mafia?
I feel the first time that that is actually depressed Town
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On December 19 2023 00:50 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 00:28 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 19:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm straight up taking a break.
will post thoughts if I feel like it. Do you believe this depressed Palmar post? Do you believe he is reading you null and me possibly mafia? I feel the first time that that is actually depressed Town
and that confuse me even more
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Marv, tell me what's so townie from rayn during his palmar conversation d2. All I can see is he either trying to diffuse suspicion from a townie or putting on a show with a partner. After he accomplishes that he just fucks off. He takes the angle "if I'm mafia who is mafia with me", placates Palmar and that's it.
I see rayn grilling Trfel for a bit in the next page, it looks like the only player he ever goes aggro on.
And this is after agreeing with Palmar here:
On December 17 2023 08:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you Palmar tell me, if i am to flip mafia here, how are you going to go for the next day?
How do you reason either sandroba or Holyflare being mafia? Again, I don't do associative reads and I don't care what deaf mafia say. Do you agree with my townreads? (dmb, trfel, slam)
On December 17 2023 09:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i agree with those reads.
Seems like an inconsistent state of mind from rayn. Not sure how this reflects on Trfel, but definetely seems off from rayn
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On December 17 2023 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 09:42 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.
So we just lynch HF? I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was. I can do whatever i want tomorrow. Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already. As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are: 1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam 2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax. 3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town. I can agree to 1 and probably to 3 as well. Not so much on 2. Question to you; based on 3, you think i haven't done that? Maybe not in a way you like but like you think i haven't made any major discussions happen for instance?
Palmar is asking rayn about HF, but since Palmar mentions rayn here he has very little curiosity about the HF discussion and goes into disrupt suspicion mode again
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On December 19 2023 00:25 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 00:05 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 00:03 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:58 marvellosity wrote:On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:44 marvellosity wrote:
Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please? 1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all. The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game. His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him? Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious. Given the runaway lynch on Chez, can you not imagine the world where mafia (either Trfel alone or a group decision) make the choice to bus Chez and look good from it? What I’m saying is, if Trfel stuck on you and didn’t vote Chez and everyone else voted the same, he would look like 100% mafia after d2 lynch That would make sense if he had that change of heart after the day progressed, but I'm pretty sure he was one the first to actually call me town and tell people to go on Chez. At the point which he did I was advocating for his lynch, not Chez's The thing is I remember well the point you called him town and why. Pocketed you for the rest of the game, potentially, from that one play. You also "pocketed" me for the rest of the game by changing your vote to chez when you had every excuse not to. Should I also throw away this notion and assume it was a bad play?
I mean from a personal pov I can’t say yes, but from a logical one yes is the answer.
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On December 19 2023 01:11 sandroba wrote:Marv, tell me what's so townie from rayn during his palmar conversation d2. All I can see is he either trying to diffuse suspicion from a townie or putting on a show with a partner. After he accomplishes that he just fucks off. He takes the angle "if I'm mafia who is mafia with me", placates Palmar and that's it. I see rayn grilling Trfel for a bit in the next page, it looks like the only player he ever goes aggro on. And this is after agreeing with Palmar here: Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 08:59 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you Palmar tell me, if i am to flip mafia here, how are you going to go for the next day?
How do you reason either sandroba or Holyflare being mafia? Again, I don't do associative reads and I don't care what deaf mafia say. Do you agree with my townreads? (dmb, trfel, slam) Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 09:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i agree with those reads. Seems like an inconsistent state of mind from rayn. Not sure how this reflects on Trfel, but definetely seems off from rayn
In general I hate the question “if I flip mafia what are you gonna do next”. I don’t understand it.
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sandroba why do you think slam is town, can i have a bullet point list?
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On December 19 2023 01:14 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 17 2023 09:42 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.
So we just lynch HF? I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was. I can do whatever i want tomorrow. Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already. As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are: 1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam 2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax. 3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town. I can agree to 1 and probably to 3 as well. Not so much on 2. Question to you; based on 3, you think i haven't done that? Maybe not in a way you like but like you think i haven't made any major discussions happen for instance? Palmar is asking rayn about HF, but since Palmar mentions rayn here he has very little curiosity about the HF discussion and goes into disrupt suspicion mode again
The posts from 2488 that go on a few just read natural to me. Don’t they to you? Says lynching you is the right thing for gameplay reasons. Then says he doesn’t really think you’re mafia though. Moves on to DMB and then a little while later concludes not mafia.
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Rayn, why did you agree with Palmar's town read on Trfel at that point?
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I have a hard time understanding D2 which should actually tell a lot about the game, maybe the most in terms of what actual information we do have. Apparently everyone sees, or claim to see this entirely the other way i do see it.
marv in your opinion, whose votes were they key votes in changing the lynch from sandroba to Chezinu?
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On December 18 2023 22:36 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 14:33 Alakaslam wrote:On December 18 2023 12:28 sandroba wrote:
DMB needs to die. This whole act of hyperfixating in Palmar and playing too dumb to be scum is getting old.
Palmar the only way I believe is ever town is if he is an investigative role, which is why I backed off today. At this point I'd rather he gets killed in the night, so I don't see any downside saying this. His fixation on me claiming blue in the QT could make sense I guess if he is trying to catch me since he knows he is blue and thinks he must be the only one due to balance. I can see that. Also, the way he answered my mafia vigi speculation with "Mafia doesn't have extra KP" seemed TMI in a way that if he knows he is a blue role and due to balance town has no other protective roles and mafia must have no KP.
That's pretty much the only way I can believe Palmar is town.
Need to look at rayn now, pretty stupid that he voted HF over Palmar or DMB. His DMB read is super bad, kinda like a copy of Palmar's read. Even if DMB is town the reason for town read is awful, hard to swallow those reads I have no voice, and I must scream. Why have YOU not been lynched? SAME REASON DO NOT LYNCH DMB I don't get it slam
You were up for lynch
You expressed your town alignment
You were saved
Dmb was up for lynch
She has expressed her town alignment
I am trying to save her too
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Just one other thing on Trfel.
Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?
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On December 18 2023 22:46 sandroba wrote:
Not sure what happened with my text.
The response to the quote above is:
My post sentiment was more to stop sheeping aforementioned red players than requesting you to blind sheep.
Oh
Then yes we are 100% agreed on that!
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On December 19 2023 01:37 sandroba wrote:
Rayn, why did you agree with Palmar's town read on Trfel at that point?
Because i thought Trfel is town? What are you trying to imply?
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On December 18 2023 23:06 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 22:54 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 22:40 sandroba wrote:
Palmar + rayn makes sense I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum. Hell yes DMB, let's kill palmar together. Trfel from my perspective after d2 is very hard to believe is ever scum. Also, even beyond that many of his posts are just super townie, especially as the game progresses. Rayn makes more sense to me I will reread the hole game something is goeing extremly wrong here. We voting Town after Town.. nightkills random as fuck especially the Koshi kill pisses me off and then this yesterday.. The fuck is wrong in this game?! Yes i am still suspicious as hell of Palmar, but of you defently as well!! Don´t try do make a town looking conversation with me because right now I am suspicious about everybody here! See you again after reread the hole game
I am sorry
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On December 19 2023 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba why do you think slam is town, can i have a bullet point list?
1 - D2 Slam was amazing. He called out Chez on a very unique point and determined I was town, went against thread sentiment.
2 - Everyone is calling Slam town all through the game, including dead townies and HF who said to never lynch Slam. There must be something that went on in their QT that we don't know about that made HF make that post.
3 - It's easier
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