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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 18 2023 13:40 GMT
#2881
Palmar + rayn makes sense
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 18 2023 13:43 GMT
#2882
On December 18 2023 14:38 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2023 14:16 sandroba wrote:
On December 11 2023 11:16 die_meatbaby wrote:
On December 11 2023 11:07 Vivax wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:54 Vivax wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:44 Vivax wrote:
I'm not sure that Palmar's is a genuine effort to read me over some egotistical push.


I think you are failing your own town litmus test. Where you are usually more engaged as town.


Should have done enough to display my current thoughts. I'm hoping for wagons and vote accordingly.


You haven't though.


I can tell you who isn't in the clear for me: And that's a majority but I can't do much about it with my current degree of certainty.

You, marv, dmb, Chez, Palmar, HF. Sandro, Trfel.

I'm wondering if I should bury my sandro + Trfel approach and just assume it's two townies starting the game off like that.

##Unvote

It's more of a don't sheep these others than a sheep us tbh
Okey what kind of wagon are you trying to build here. Like i really really try to see it but now you making my opinion on you even worse
#vote vivax

On December 11 2023 11:26 die_meatbaby wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:35 Palmar wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:30 Palmar wrote:
Jesus it’s so bad. Pointless commentary, terrible questions. Lots of nothing and very boring to boot. I didn’t laugh once.

We found our first mafia boys. Get in while it’s still cool


You are not wrong, but I think it's not outside of the scope of his town play.


I’m never wrong. Let’s do the vote thing.


Just to make this clear my decision to vote for Vivax is based on my own analysis and not because your ego convinced me to vote who ever you think is scum. And yes your filter looks good but you still not town for me and I will read and analysis every post you will make until you lose a bit of this self believing god player stuff here.


I don't think this vote post makes any sense, what's the analysis here? Before that she was saying Vivax might be blue.
After this, she fucks off for 23 hours and only comes back very close to deadline. Vivax started spilling his reads, here is the post DMB makes, looks like some people might be considering Chezinu for a swap:
On December 12 2023 10:57 die_meatbaby wrote:
On December 12 2023 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Chez tell me why I should not try and lynch you right now.


okey i love a chez lynch before he starts to meme up the thread and confuse me or creep me out with his strange post, but why is he scumy for you he was not posting much here. How can we read him? I can not soul read him as i do often in here espescially with players I already played. Feeling like gambling to vote on him and even if he flips red I can not see who would be with him. I am still sure he is not human. He is AI player which Grack is puting in the game for his on satisfaction to see us or def. me struggling to not. But I am open for an Chez lynch just not looking so scumy as V

Some hesitancy to vote Chez, claims V is still more scummy.

To her credit, she straight comes out and says this just after DP asks for a count of who is there during eod:
On December 12 2023 11:39 die_meatbaby wrote:
Fuck i don´t have a good feeling on lynch V right now. This looks so Townie just trying to not get killed. Fells like impulsive posts from emotions to keep playing.


At that point I don't think it was clear that the counter wagon would be on me, so if she was mafia there was a risk Chezinu might be it. But she is the last one to move her vote, 15 minutes elapsed from the post she says V looks so townie to actually voting for someone else.

Vivax knew it before we all did:
On December 12 2023 11:53 Vivax wrote:
Tinfoil world is Palmar/DMB/X


Tbh I'm coming off of this less sure DMB is mafia from this D1 shit. I can see her feeling pressured to town read Vivax in that spot if they live together and Vivax knows she is online. I'll keep going

Ok Maybe.

Maybe I am too lazy.

But you can't just say "sheep us" and expect me to do it.

Use reasons and persuasion, not orders or pleas.

sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 18 2023 13:46 GMT
#2883
Not sure what happened with my text.

The response to the quote above is:

My post sentiment was more to stop sheeping aforementioned red players than requesting you to blind sheep.
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
December 18 2023 13:47 GMT
#2884
On December 18 2023 22:40 sandroba wrote:
Palmar + rayn makes sense


I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF
Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum.
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 18 2023 13:51 GMT
#2885
On December 18 2023 20:41 marvellosity wrote:
Just gonna sheep sand tomorrow. Don’t have anything else to comment atm.

Not sure I can bear to read the stuff that happened since before bed.

Marv help me out here!
As soon as I put you as absolutely confirmed town status you just stopped helping.
This game I had to fight you d1 and 2 and now that we are supposed to be on the same side you are just rolling over.
You have to redeem yourself and help us get a win. Reset your preconceived notions about Palmar and re-read the game knowing that Vivax, HF and myself are all town. If you still think Palmar is town, this game doesn't make any sense. Help me make sense of it.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 18 2023 13:54 GMT
#2886
On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2023 22:40 sandroba wrote:
Palmar + rayn makes sense


I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF
Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum.

Hell yes DMB, let's kill palmar together. Trfel from my perspective after d2 is very hard to believe is ever scum. Also, even beyond that many of his posts are just super townie, especially as the game progresses. Rayn makes more sense to me
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 18 2023 14:03 GMT
#2887
Palmar if he is going to claim blue, I need it to be seconds before the deadline. If he waits for the next flip to claim, they will only claim in case of a green flip, which will cause it to be mylo with the actual blue.
Also, if palmar is town scum should be very convinced he is the actual investigative role. He has several posts about blue roles, is hyper fixed on blues in the QT, posted a TMI perspective about the mafia vigi speculation.
So he has to post his results since he will likely die in the night? I don't think town would lynch him tomorrow if there is no counter claim. If palmar is town and blue and is left alive, the only possible route for the scum team is to counter claim him I think, which I don't think is a winning proposition.
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
December 18 2023 14:06 GMT
#2888
On December 18 2023 22:54 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote:
On December 18 2023 22:40 sandroba wrote:
Palmar + rayn makes sense


I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF
Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum.

Hell yes DMB, let's kill palmar together. Trfel from my perspective after d2 is very hard to believe is ever scum. Also, even beyond that many of his posts are just super townie, especially as the game progresses. Rayn makes more sense to me


I will reread the hole game something is goeing extremly wrong here. We voting Town after Town.. nightkills random as fuck especially the Koshi kill pisses me off and then this yesterday.. The fuck is wrong in this game?! Yes i am still suspicious as hell of Palmar, but of you defently as well!! Don´t try do make a town looking conversation with me because right now I am suspicious about everybody here! See you again after reread the hole game
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 18 2023 14:15 GMT
#2889
On December 18 2023 23:06 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2023 22:54 sandroba wrote:
On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote:
On December 18 2023 22:40 sandroba wrote:
Palmar + rayn makes sense


I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF
Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum.

Hell yes DMB, let's kill palmar together. Trfel from my perspective after d2 is very hard to believe is ever scum. Also, even beyond that many of his posts are just super townie, especially as the game progresses. Rayn makes more sense to me


I will reread the hole game something is goeing extremly wrong here. We voting Town after Town.. nightkills random as fuck especially the Koshi kill pisses me off and then this yesterday.. The fuck is wrong in this game?! Yes i am still suspicious as hell of Palmar, but of you defently as well!! Don´t try do make a town looking conversation with me because right now I am suspicious about everybody here! See you again after reread the hole game

It doesn't help to be suspicious of everybody. At this point you have to narrow it down otherwise you will end up easily siding with scum if you are town.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 18 2023 14:29 GMT
#2890
On December 18 2023 22:51 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2023 20:41 marvellosity wrote:
Just gonna sheep sand tomorrow. Don’t have anything else to comment atm.

Not sure I can bear to read the stuff that happened since before bed.

Marv help me out here!
As soon as I put you as absolutely confirmed town status you just stopped helping.
This game I had to fight you d1 and 2 and now that we are supposed to be on the same side you are just rolling over.
You have to redeem yourself and help us get a win. Reset your preconceived notions about Palmar and re-read the game knowing that Vivax, HF and myself are all town. If you still think Palmar is town, this game doesn't make any sense. Help me make sense of it.

This is a valid request.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 18 2023 14:34 GMT
#2891
I don’t have preconceived notions about Palmar. Okay that’s obviously not true, I do.

But HF flipping town doesn’t suddenly overturn my townread on him. Mathematically it obviously makes it more likely, but that’s it.

I know I am already looking like a fool for lynching Hf, and potentially I will look 1000x the fool for not lynching Palmar. But I can’t do something I don’t believe because I’m scared of looking the fool.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 18 2023 14:34 GMT
#2892
On December 18 2023 23:06 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2023 22:54 sandroba wrote:
On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote:
On December 18 2023 22:40 sandroba wrote:
Palmar + rayn makes sense


I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF
Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum.

Hell yes DMB, let's kill palmar together. Trfel from my perspective after d2 is very hard to believe is ever scum. Also, even beyond that many of his posts are just super townie, especially as the game progresses. Rayn makes more sense to me


I will reread the hole game something is goeing extremly wrong here. We voting Town after Town.. nightkills random as fuck especially the Koshi kill pisses me off and then this yesterday.. The fuck is wrong in this game?! Yes i am still suspicious as hell of Palmar, but of you defently as well!! Don´t try do make a town looking conversation with me because right now I am suspicious about everybody here! See you again after reread the hole game

Why are you suspicious of sandro please?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 18 2023 14:36 GMT
#2893
Reading dmb more and more and I don't want to lynch her anymore. If she is mafia she is doing a good job of looking townie, which makes me less butthurt to lose to I guess?
I'm ready to exclude her from my lynch path. Basically, now it has to be Rayn and Palmar. Rayn has some redeeming features, but overall he is flying under the radar.
I read a post by DMB where she said she always thinks Rayn is scum, then in another post further along she says she doesn't think Rayn is scummy in this game at all.
This is a huge tell that Rayn is actually scum in this game. If his normal playstyle as town make you find him scummy, but now he doesn't seem as suspicious this is a behavior modification that is totally mafia-oriented. Rayn only shows up when he is being talked about to try to diffuse suspicion off of him. He doesn't pursue his scum reads, and is very tame not to antagonize players in the thread too much, all of which are mafia-favored behaviors.

The only player I remember rayn being a bit abrasive agaisnt was Trfel with his "are you stupid" comment which felt out of character for rayn at that point seen his behavior in the thread, but if I go back in memory I do remember rayn being an abrasive townie.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 18 2023 14:36 GMT
#2894
On December 18 2023 22:04 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2023 09:12 Trfel wrote:
On December 18 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote Holyflare

Out ofthese three i am voting here. I had least somewhat productive discussion with Palmar last night, DMB i dont think is mafia.
Also voting Holyflare I guess.


Trfel just waiting on which vote rayn was going and then voting on HF instead of Palmar... and I am more suspicious then this???? Maybe I am really wrong with Palmar and its Sandro and Trfel or Sandro and Palmar. How the fuck do I end up as scum in this bullshit scenario. I voted for Palmar. I was against HF lynch. I chanced my vote on Vivax as soon it was clear that he was town and we weren't anoth Townies at that lynch to chance it. Chez was suspicious for me just not my main scum reason and as I already said he is hard to read at least for me. Chez voting an 1 1/2 before lynch and not beeing here till lynch of Vivax is fucking suspicious. In America it's not fucking 4 am tell me that chez just safed you sandro. Because if Vivax didn't get lynched you would and he saved you!!! Tell me I am fucking right with this!! If you are scum just give up. Letting the newbie alive because it's always save to have somebody you can easy lynch. I am just a another version of VE. Always mafia lets VE alive. In every game VE was misslynch from Town (if he was Town) and you guys using me as your next misslynch for Town just because newbie looks scummy. "she writes different" She compares old games with the actual play still using here" She is not playing like the other that looks scummy". No you fucking with the wrong Town here. I am not VE and will do everything what this Town needs and if nobody sees this how chez just safed you at the vivax lynch I am obviously playing with the wrong people here. You all telling me how high you meta is and the experience you guys have over the last decade... yes we talking about a fucking decade and you don't see that.

Maybe I believe this stream of emotion.

It helps that the VE shade continues
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 18 2023 14:37 GMT
#2895
Tell me what you think about my spiel on rayn marv
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 18 2023 14:37 GMT
#2896
The lack of paragraphing makes it more believable
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 18 2023 14:37 GMT
#2897
Sorry I was still talking about that DMB post
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
December 18 2023 14:38 GMT
#2898
On December 18 2023 23:15 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2023 23:06 die_meatbaby wrote:
On December 18 2023 22:54 sandroba wrote:
On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote:
On December 18 2023 22:40 sandroba wrote:
Palmar + rayn makes sense


I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF
Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum.

Hell yes DMB, let's kill palmar together. Trfel from my perspective after d2 is very hard to believe is ever scum. Also, even beyond that many of his posts are just super townie, especially as the game progresses. Rayn makes more sense to me


I will reread the hole game something is goeing extremly wrong here. We voting Town after Town.. nightkills random as fuck especially the Koshi kill pisses me off and then this yesterday.. The fuck is wrong in this game?! Yes i am still suspicious as hell of Palmar, but of you defently as well!! Don´t try do make a town looking conversation with me because right now I am suspicious about everybody here! See you again after reread the hole game

It doesn't help to be suspicious of everybody. At this point you have to narrow it down otherwise you will end up easily siding with scum if you are town.


The actuall fuck is goeing on here. I am at the point were i am just pissed on mafia for fooling us so hard.
You got almost lynched 2 times at the first two lynches and chez saved you all two lynches even at the second one he rather voted on Trefel then on you. It is so obvious that i can´t believe it myself that that could actually be true.
Rayn coming, telling in 2 or 3 sentences why he rather vote on HF than on me or Palmar. Trefel beeing around and just waiting with his vote what was the main reason why HF was lynched because he could have let it on me or on Palmar and then beeing sad about HF lynch. WTF is this here.
MARV not even thinking a bit of Palmar beeing scum
And Slam starts posting like chez and I don´t understand what he wants to say with his strange posts
The hell i am suspicious of to many people here right now
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 18 2023 14:43 GMT
#2899
On December 18 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
Sorry I was still talking about that DMB post

On December 18 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
The lack of paragraphing makes it more believable

The cap fits
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 18 2023 14:43 GMT
#2900
On December 18 2023 23:37 sandroba wrote:
Tell me what you think about my spiel on rayn marv

Read it, went and read rayn’s filter since the conversation with Palmar, and I’m still struggling with it tbh with you.

I’m well aware there’s 2 mafia floating about though, so they have to be somewhere.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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