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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 18 2023 23:15 sandroba wrote: It doesn't help to be suspicious of everybody. At this point you have to narrow it down otherwise you will end up easily siding with scum if you are town. This is true! | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 18 2023 23:34 marvellosity wrote: I don’t have preconceived notions about Palmar. Okay that’s obviously not true, I do. But HF flipping town doesn’t suddenly overturn my townread on him. Mathematically it obviously makes it more likely, but that’s it. I know I am already looking like a fool for lynching Hf, and potentially I will look 1000x the fool for not lynching Palmar. But I can’t do something I don’t believe because I’m scared of looking the fool. This is fair, Care to flesh out the townread again? I won't be upset if you don't want to and instead tell me to press the little link under any one of your posts that says "filter"... | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have a hard time understanding D2 which should actually tell a lot about the game, maybe the most in terms of what actual information we do have. Apparently everyone sees, or claim to see this entirely the other way i do see it. marv in your opinion, whose votes were they key votes in changing the lynch from sandroba to Chezinu? I mean, mine. Koshi and Palmar basically followed me off sand so that’s a huge swing. Not trying to claim any cred for this btw. I think sand/hf supporting the lynch probably helped outside of votes. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 18 2023 23:34 marvellosity wrote: Why are you suspicious of sandro please? She is suspicious of everyone is her claim | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i thought Trfel is town? What are you trying to imply? I'm saying it's not clear to me you really thought that at that point from your previous posts. Also, it's not clear you thought that after Trfel came in the thread and you grilled him, it's weird how aggro you went on him given you town read him. I'm saying to me it looks like you are placating Palmar. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 18 2023 23:36 sandroba wrote: Reading dmb more and more and I don't want to lynch her anymore. If she is mafia she is doing a good job of looking townie, which makes me less butthurt to lose to I guess? I'm ready to exclude her from my lynch path. Basically, now it has to be Rayn and Palmar. Rayn has some redeeming features, but overall he is flying under the radar. I read a post by DMB where she said she always thinks Rayn is scum, then in another post further along she says she doesn't think Rayn is scummy in this game at all. This is a huge tell that Rayn is actually scum in this game. If his normal playstyle as town make you find him scummy, but now he doesn't seem as suspicious this is a behavior modification that is totally mafia-oriented. Rayn only shows up when he is being talked about to try to diffuse suspicion off of him. He doesn't pursue his scum reads, and is very tame not to antagonize players in the thread too much, all of which are mafia-favored behaviors. The only player I remember rayn being a bit abrasive agaisnt was Trfel with his "are you stupid" comment which felt out of character for rayn at that point seen his behavior in the thread, but if I go back in memory I do remember rayn being an abrasive townie. I think you may have nailed it | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:42 Alakaslam wrote: This is fair, Care to flesh out the townread again? I won't be upset if you don't want to and instead tell me to press the little link under any one of your posts that says "filter"... Fleshing out is difficult. The short answer is - I don’t think anything he wrote is fake. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote: Just one other thing on Trfel. Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday? He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote: He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb But why when no one else was? I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t. So ??? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:42 marvellosity wrote: I mean, mine. Koshi and Palmar basically followed me off sand so that’s a huge swing. Not trying to claim any cred for this btw. I think sand/hf supporting the lynch probably helped outside of votes. Do you genuinely think, in case i voted for sandroba (which i had all the reasons to do based on D1), not to mention with the "town core" as Koshi put it, Chezinu would have been lynched? Let's assume your thing during there did not happen, or maybe even with it. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:36 marvellosity wrote: The posts from 2488 that go on a few just read natural to me. Don’t they to you? Says lynching you is the right thing for gameplay reasons. Then says he doesn’t really think you’re mafia though. Moves on to DMB and then a little while later concludes not mafia. Kinda yes, but I have to ignore something about someone if someone ever in this game is going to be mafia | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:46 sandroba wrote: Kinda yes, but I have to ignore something about someone if someone ever in this game is going to be mafia I love this post | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:37 Alakaslam wrote: You were up for lynch You expressed your town alignment You were saved Dmb was up for lynch She has expressed her town alignment I am trying to save her too Understood. I'm okay with this. Coming around to dmb town. Still think some of these town reads DMB was getting are BS | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you genuinely think, in case i voted for sandroba (which i had all the reasons to do based on D1), not to mention with the "town core" as Koshi put it, Chezinu would have been lynched? Let's assume your thing during there did not happen, or maybe even with it. Difficult question and I’m loathe to get into it too much for obvious reasons. I can answer either way, rayn. Koshi clearly recognised I was struggling with my sand vote sometime before I moved off him. And if my vote moves the whole sand wagon collapses. So the sand wagon collapsing was on the cards. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I trust you see what I mean here | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote: But why when no one else was? I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t. So ??? Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good? Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:52 sandroba wrote: Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good? Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right? I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh. Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have a hard time understanding D2 which should actually tell a lot about the game, maybe the most in terms of what actual information we do have. Apparently everyone sees, or claim to see this entirely the other way i do see it. marv in your opinion, whose votes were they key votes in changing the lynch from sandroba to Chezinu? Rayn you are hinging on this Chezinu vote thing way too much and it doesn't look good to me. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:55 marvellosity wrote: Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right? I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh. Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it? And Koshi and HF are 100% town and I believe you are like 95% town here sand. So from my perspective the townie thing to do as evidenced by flips and my read on you. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 19 2023 01:52 marvellosity wrote: Rayn - obviously your Chez vote cannot be held against you. But if I’m extending possible suspicion to people on the Chez wagon in good time (eg Trfel) then I can hardly say it looks good for you either. I trust you see what I mean here Well for some reason most of the game is holding it against me, while i would never put my vote there in case i am mafia (even if i was mafia with sandroba). I have to say though i really didn't have that much of preference there, so i kinda see in that sense. Sure i thought Chezinu is mafia, but witouth further investigation at the time i put my vote there because HF who i thought is mafia was kinda white knighting Chezinu while saying the complete opposite. I wanted to see what happens, then Koshi started to shit on me on the vote, same with HF. I also had reservations with Koshi, it didn't help he was like 1000000% against my vote, but when you voted (when it should make even less sense for him), he just started being a good sheepyboi. So yeah, i thought fuck it, this has to be the correct play. I guess you could say i made the right decision based on wrong information lol  | ||
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