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On December 17 2023 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 09:42 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.
So we just lynch HF? I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was. I can do whatever i want tomorrow. Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already. As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are: 1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam 2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax. 3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town. I can agree to 1 and probably to 3 as well. Not so much on 2. Question to you; based on 3, you think i haven't done that? Maybe not in a way you like but like you think i haven't made any major discussions happen for instance?
It's because you're changing the question.
Yes, you have been involved in a lot of discussions. But I don't think you've often succeeded in convincing people of your point of view.
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But because you DO do associative reads and think about who could be mafia together.
Do you sincerely believe if HF and I are the remaining mafia we have a play here to bus each other and the other one thinks they can somehow last until endgame?
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On December 17 2023 09:53 Palmar wrote:
Yes, you have been involved in a lot of discussions. But I don't think you've often succeeded in convincing people of your point of view.
Do you think it makes me mafia?
Do you think that's how i play as mafia?
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On December 17 2023 09:54 Palmar wrote:
But because you DO do associative reads and think about who could be mafia together.
Do you sincerely believe if HF and I are the remaining mafia we have a play here to bus each other and the other one thinks they can somehow last until endgame?
If you are the last remaining mafia, what other play you have?
And no i am not sure about it, which is why i said i am not sure about it 
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Btw, I'm wavering on my actual scumread on you. We agree on too much.
I really need a third party to read this discussion (marv? trfel?) and give their stance on it. Can throw in their stance on me as well.
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On December 17 2023 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 09:54 Palmar wrote:
But because you DO do associative reads and think about who could be mafia together.
Do you sincerely believe if HF and I are the remaining mafia we have a play here to bus each other and the other one thinks they can somehow last until endgame? If you are the last remaining mafia, what other play you have? And no i am not sure about it, which is why i said i am not sure about it
Hard to speculate what to do as mafia, but I think I've been pretty much the only thing standing in the way of dmb being lynched. Marv seems to like the idea of killing her, so does Trfel. I think that might be the play. At least bring the game to lylo.
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On December 17 2023 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you want my town list and quick reasons for it, it is:
marv -- sandroba thing D2, and being on sandroba D1
Trfel -- Chezinu being on his ass all game, not 100% certain here because i know another game where Chezinu bussed exactly Trfel all game, but still very unlikely
DMB -- not wanting to lynch Vivax D1, they are partners, Vivax would get her ass lynched if not dead, she contributed towards NOT getting Vivax lynched
Slam -- lynched Chezinu D2, until he didn't want to, but i don't think that matter that much
This point on DMB I believe is NAI. If DMB is mafia, Vivax knows she is online EOD and she likely expects that Vivax would call her out if she doesn't post anything, at that point thread sentiment is already that Vivax looks townie. Not sure what mafia DMB can do in that situation besides what she did without completely outing herself to Vivax.
Vivax's numer 1 read was that I was scum, DMB does not really ever pursue that read, she waits for EOD2 to take a real stance and vote. If DMB is townie I would expect her to be all over my ass since not only I'm her town partner main read, but also the counter wagon to him D1. But instead, she behaves like mafia - pops in with an excuse, tells she will do stuff later and never really does it.
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Gamewise the best play is to lynch sandroba here. Because then i can tell if there is a reason to be mad at me (if he is mafia) or not (if he is town) for my vote on Chezinu.
Like, i find it very very weird that like the whole game finds my vote (they find unreasonable) on Chezinu "scummy as fuck", when i voted for mafia. I fucking voted to kill the mafia roleblocker. It does not sit well with me, that everyone thinks i am mafia because i voted to kill mafia, just because "rayn didn't reason his vote properly". Do people really think i don't reason my votes (especially on mafia -- bussing) properly?????????? It's fucking insane.
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Just one interesting thing. DMB barely talks about HF at all in her filter, like almost nothing.
No idea if it's relevant information.
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but then again i dont really think sandroba is mafia 
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Let me go to smoke and then read DMB, honestly all i have is her vote on NOT Vivax D1.
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On December 17 2023 10:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:but then again i dont really think sandroba is mafia
I kinda could see him be one, I'm mostly just backing off him because I'm sheeping marv.
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Sandroba: have you fully backed off your Trfel thing? Do you think he's town now?
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On December 17 2023 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Gamewise the best play is to lynch sandroba here. Because then i can tell if there is a reason to be mad at me (if he is mafia) or not (if he is town) for my vote on Chezinu.
Like, i find it very very weird that like the whole game finds my vote (they find unreasonable) on Chezinu "scummy as fuck", when i voted for mafia. I fucking voted to kill the mafia roleblocker. It does not sit well with me, that everyone thinks i am mafia because i voted to kill mafia, just because "rayn didn't reason his vote properly". Do people really think i don't reason my votes (especially on mafia -- bussing) properly?????????? It's fucking insane.
For the record, as I've said multiple times, my suspicions of you don't come because of that vote. I've laid out quite nicely what issues I had, and one of them (lack of finding townies to eliminate from the lynch pool) you've actually remedied now.
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For the rest of the thread.. I kinda don't think rayn is mafia. This has been too good.
I'm ready to get hurt again baby.
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If Sandro is actually here, very interested in thoughts on this conversation.
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Come on sandro I want to sleep, spill the beans.
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I'm around, I know I'm not sandroba though. Catching up now.
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On December 17 2023 10:14 Trfel wrote:
I know I'm not sandroba though.
This is a plus.
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Poker about to start, will come back tomorrow
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EPT
