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On December 17 2023 11:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not a ton to be honest? You guys were both kinda agreeing, in the case that you're both town. IIRC you said sandroba would be the most likely mafia in this case? I'd have to check.So you don't have anything to say about what we discussed here just for like for two hours? What was I supposed to have gathered from the discussion? Like not that it was bad by any means, but I didn't get the same takeaways from it that you and Palmar seem to have. | ||
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On December 17 2023 11:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: If I'm being honest I don't know what your takeaways were. I might need to reread it because I feel like it went completely over my head, I can try and look again once I get through Holyflare's filter.If you don't get the same takeaways we did, why don't you disagree with them? | ||
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On December 17 2023 04:29 Holyflare wrote: I thought you were also suspicious of raynpelikoneet and to a lesser extent sandroba? When you have a moment, I'm curious why die_meatbaby is more likely mafia than them?but I still think it's DMB with him Holyflare's reads have been changing a lot, probably the person with the most fluid reads I've read so far. Really the only person in the game with truly fluid reads, except for possibly Alakaslam? But that's a bit different. I don't know if this makes Holyflare mafia or town, I don't see a ton of mafia motivation in his posts though. I don't really like his day 2 stance about saying Chezinu was mafia but not wanting to lynch him because a non-policy lynch gives more information, but I can't say that Holyflare doesn't actually think this. The main thing that sticks out to me is the day2 -> day 3 read progression. He was heavily suspicious of sandroba, and raynpelikoneet, and Palmar, and then ends up with a scumteam of Palmar and die_meatbaby. I feel like there are a lot of missing steps there. To be fair Holyflare said he didn't have much time to explain, so I am guessing an explanation is coming, but for now that's the thing I find most suspicious. I guess also, the way Holyflare bounced around day 2 between all the aforementioned suspects without seeming to really settle on a preferred lynch/push seems kinda weird, just letting thread sentiment go ahead and lynch Chezinu without much protest? But I can't say for sure he wouldn't do that as town. I also kinda think that the asking how many mafia there are thing is suspicious but that's really stupid and pointless and if Holyflare is mafia surely there are better reasons to find than that. In conclusion I don't really think Holyflare is mafia but he's burned me a million times so who knows. If he's mafia I don't really have any reasons as to why. | ||
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On December 17 2023 11:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Die_meatbaby is just mafia?Can you ever make a read that is not "i think mafia but also town"? | ||
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On December 17 2023 11:32 Trfel wrote: Die_meatbaby is just mafia? Why? | ||
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Day 1, she voted for Vivax despite saying very little about Vivax and focusing on Palmar and a few other things. It feels like she didn't really believe Vivax was mafia but just went along with it. Day 2, most incriminating imo, she voted for Chezinu despite focusing on Palmar all day. Her read progressions/view of the game doesn't line up with being content to lynch Chezinu, to me anyway. It feels like a bus. | ||
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On December 17 2023 02:56 Trfel wrote: His vote onto Chezinu. I actually do think it's suspicious, how he voted for Chezinu despite seemingly being more invested in Holyflare and/or sandroba being mafia and talking more about them. Can you also make me a big ass post on this, what you actually think about this, so i can make some sense of this train of thought of yours? | ||
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On December 17 2023 11:48 Trfel wrote: Day 1, she voted for Vivax despite saying very little about Vivax and focusing on Palmar and a few other things. It feels like she didn't really believe Vivax was mafia but just went along with it. D1 end she almost ended up lynching sandroba (votes were 6-6). At the end yeah she didnt really believe Vivax was mafia. What's wrong with her play here on D1? I don't like defending other people but you, jsut like fucking Koshi and HF for instance like to take half of the story and try to make it fit your narrative, it's fucking annoying. I was there, she tried to make sandroba lynch instead of Vivax, anything else you claim is wrong. Day 2, most incriminating imo, she voted for Chezinu despite focusing on Palmar all day. Her read progressions/view of the game doesn't line up with being content to lynch Chezinu, to me anyway. It feels like a bus. She could be bussing D2, i can see that. | ||
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It's fucked up, i hope you are not town Palmar, because i if you are i think we might be losing this game because i try really hard but i can't get over this shit of yours in this game here right now. A lot of people do this shit, but like... you should be good enough not to. Koshi yes, Trfel, maybe. I just fucking don't know i am a bit drunk and i want to lynch Palmar but on the other hand i don't.. | ||
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On December 17 2023 11:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am in bed and don't really want to get up and go to my computer and pull up a bunch of quotes but I suppose I can if necessary. Honestly it is just the impression I got though.Can you also make me a big ass post on this, what you actually think about this, so i can make some sense of this train of thought of yours? You spent more time talking about and pushing Holyflare and sandroba, then seemed content to lynch Chezinu and mostly talked about him after the wagon got going. This partially has a plausible explanation in that it's kinda hard to discuss Chezinu a ton. Holyflare was kinda similar for example (being okay with Chezinu's lynch but not passionate about it, and focusing on other things) but he said he would have preferred a different lynch for more information. You didn't have a reason like that. Like it isn't unreasonable to see that coming from a town perspective, it makes enough sense. But I do think it was natural for this to happen as mafia too, like it makes sense for mafia to act that way. I don't think you are mafia, I'm kinda grasping at straws and don't know who is mafia though  Bleh. | ||
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On December 17 2023 11:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was ignoring the deadline play. Iirc she came back with about an hour and a half until the flip, I was ignoring this period. BEFORE the vote switch and that last deadline activity, I stand by my statements.D1 end she almost ended up lynching sandroba (votes were 6-6). At the end yeah she didnt really believe Vivax was mafia. What's wrong with her play here on D1? I don't like defending other people but you, jsut like fucking Koshi and HF for instance like to take half of the story and try to make it fit your narrative, it's fucking annoying. I was there, she tried to make sandroba lynch instead of Vivax, anything else you claim is wrong. She could be bussing D2, i can see that. I don't think that die_meatbaby's flailing at eod1 is easy to get much from. I could see arguments both ways, and it's also tough without knowing sandroba's alignment for sure. Your point about how it makes her town is probably the best. But I think the points before (before those last few hours to the deadline) and after (day 2) are more impactful. | ||
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On December 17 2023 12:04 Trfel wrote: I am in bed and don't really want to get up and go to my computer and pull up a bunch of quotes but I suppose I can if necessary. Honestly it is just the impression I got though. You spent more time talking about and pushing Holyflare and sandroba, then seemed content to lynch Chezinu and mostly talked about him after the wagon got going. This partially has a plausible explanation in that it's kinda hard to discuss Chezinu a ton. Holyflare was kinda similar for example (being okay with Chezinu's lynch but not passionate about it, and focusing on other things) but he said he would have preferred a different lynch for more information. You didn't have a reason like that. Like it isn't unreasonable to see that coming from a town perspective, it makes enough sense. But I do think it was natural for this to happen as mafia too, like it makes sense for mafia to act that way. I don't think you are mafia, I'm kinda grasping at straws and don't know who is mafia though Bleh.Explain the bolded part to me. | ||
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