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On December 17 2023 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you so confused if ray / sandroba is mafia?
If we are both individually scummy (as you seem to be saying), why are you confused about what the stance of the game is?
Isn't it simple, rayn and sandroba are mafia?
No, that's not what I said.
I can only lynch one person today. I intend to lynch whoever is the scummiest, which is why I'm trying to get shit out of you guys.
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On December 17 2023 09:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i agree with those reads.
What's your read on marv then?
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I am also town on slam so basically my scum team right now is you and hf.
But i don't know if that's actually the correct answer, so i am not rooting 100% for that.
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So... your lynch pool is literally exactly the same as mine except for us 2? We see the game state to be exactly the same thing except you think I could be mafia, and I think you could be. Throw in that marv, who is both very good at this game AND knows me very well is pretty insistent on me being town...
If we just make a truce for the moment, who do you think is more likely to flip mafia, HF or sandroba?
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sandroba could also be mafia but idk, the more i think about it it's kind of insane he has called me mafia after i basically saved him from being lynched, or at least i was a big factor in it.
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On December 17 2023 09:28 Palmar wrote:
So... your lynch pool is literally exactly the same as mine except for us 2? We see the game state to be exactly the same thing except you think I could be mafia, and I think you could be. Throw in that marv, who is both very good at this game AND knows me very well is pretty insistent on me being town...
If we just make a truce for the moment, who do you think is more likely to flip mafia, HF or sandroba?
HF
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HF and sandroba are the players currently trying to lynch me.
I can... kinda accept why sandroba wants to lynch me. I absolutely did troll the fuck out of him in that mason topic because I'm a bit of a dick.
But also, I don't think the mason topics are useful, I said as much on day 1. Why wouldn't I just post in the thread. I'm not entirely sure if it's genuine frustration with my dickery, or if it's just an excuse to scumread me.
HF on the other hand hasn't really given me much.
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If you want my town list and quick reasons for it, it is:
marv -- sandroba thing D2, and being on sandroba D1
Trfel -- Chezinu being on his ass all game, not 100% certain here because i know another game where Chezinu bussed exactly Trfel all game, but still very unlikely
DMB -- not wanting to lynch Vivax D1, they are partners, Vivax would get her ass lynched if not dead, she contributed towards NOT getting Vivax lynched
Slam -- lynched Chezinu D2, until he didn't want to, but i don't think that matter that much
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Also, marv not wanting to lynch sandroba makes that one a little more complex. But I can't say I'm very impressed with what he has posted today or during the night phase.
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On December 17 2023 09:33 Palmar wrote:
But also, I don't think the mason topics are useful, I said as much on day 1. Why wouldn't I just post in the thread. I'm not entirely sure if it's genuine frustration with my dickery, or if it's just an excuse to scumread me.
I entirely agree with this, the whole mason thing is stupid, unless you have confirmed town with a blue in mason chat.
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Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.
So we just lynch HF?
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I did say HF was scummy for townreading me through day 1 and I think into day 2! Very scummy of him to be right about my alignment!
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And just because you like associative reads, do you think I, if mafia, would bus HF here and think I'm somehow gonna last into endgame?
But that's really neither here nor there. I haven't really read HF's filter. Trfel is the one I did today and I genuinely like most of his posting.
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On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.
So we just lynch HF?
I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was.
I can do whatever i want tomorrow.
Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already.
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On December 17 2023 09:37 Palmar wrote:
I did say HF was scummy for townreading me through day 1 and I think into day 2! Very scummy of him to be right about my alignment!
I don't think this is a good basis of a scumread.
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On December 17 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.
So we just lynch HF? I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was. I can do whatever i want tomorrow. Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already.
As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are:
1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam
2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax.
3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town.
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On December 17 2023 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 09:37 Palmar wrote:
I did say HF was scummy for townreading me through day 1 and I think into day 2! Very scummy of him to be right about my alignment! I don't think this is a good basis of a scumread.
No it's not really.
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On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.
Also you are right, i don't do tone reads, nor intuition (in case i understand that correctly).
Last game i had marv as mafia for his first post because i thought "it was a super weird question", he was mafia. Idk if i was right or wrong. I still try every game to put people into correct slots on alignment based on their behavior only. Maybe i should do more tone reads.
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On December 17 2023 09:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.
So we just lynch HF? I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was. I can do whatever i want tomorrow. Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already. As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are: 1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam 2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax. 3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town.
I can agree to 1 and probably to 3 as well. Not so much on 2.
Question to you; based on 3, you think i haven't done that? Maybe not in a way you like but like you think i haven't made any major discussions happen for instance?
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