On August 26 2023 09:36 Grackaroni wrote: I didn't clarify last game but I'm adding a new rule to the OP that I'll be using for this as well as my future games. I think seals detract from the purpose of the game.
cheating: [*] Posting a townie seal to remove yourself from the lynch pool. Seals include, but are not limited to, the traditional Coag townie seals, + Show Spoiler +
as well as players utilizing a 15 year history of never lying about their own alignment. Do not pressure players to post their seals.
Hey, my guests just left so ill be around for the next 12 hours.
I think Jacob looks much worse this game, but also acknowledge that because the people who post at the start of the game inevitably face sucpicion (i should know its usually me) I am going to re-read first.
Jake, is that marv vote a troll or genuine? I want you to commit to a position please.
On August 26 2023 13:38 iamperfection wrote: we go from skirting the rules punk to boy scout punk.
Just anecdotally you seem more on point with these calls this game. Could be a well we just lost a game due to this result punk tho so I'll not say it means anything about him more you though.
On August 26 2023 13:38 iamperfection wrote: we go from skirting the rules punk to boy scout punk.
Just anecdotally you seem more on point with these calls this game. Could be a well we just lost a game due to this result punk tho so I'll not say it means anything about him more you though.
I like you better this game.
I think anyone could make the same comment if they are in the thread , don't see how you can make a reference to anecdotal rules lawyering and then give someone town points for it
[red]Ahh I think dp only would respect a rule if it works in his favour aka if he was mafia. [\red] Otherwise he'll find any logic possible to bend it to his will.
Jake explain this bullshit please. How can you hold two positions that directly contradict each other?
On August 26 2023 15:57 iamperfection wrote: i just noticed jacob threw a random vote on marv for some reason. Not sure what to make of his play so far. Seems to be trying for max attention at the very least.
And while we're at it, we can add another joke to the mix. That first post and that iamp could have rolled scum again going by the second quote.
##Vote: iamperfection
Vivax why did those posts make you think Perfection was mafia?
On August 26 2023 21:00 VisceraEyes wrote: oh look iamp was skilled enough to fake that town tell.
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
So this game. I think everyone who's posted is town. I want to lynch whoever hasn't posted starting.....now.
ezD1
This post (and his subsequent posts) make me not like VE. I feel like creating arbitrary pools of lynch candidates actually just means he doesn;t have to play the game, the start of last game he was actually playing and had productive posts immediately.
IIRC in Endures 1 he was pretty keen to lynch lurkers too.
LS looking better to me this game.
On August 27 2023 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was gonna speedread in my 10mins, butthere was nothing to read.
Is LS mafia now as he looks more town to me than last game lol? Iamp probs town here.
On August 27 2023 08:27 iamperfection wrote: why is it weird why do you think its not a typo. The son of bitch typed Maria instead of mafia we got him boys ???????????????
Yeah this made me laugh out loud after spending the morning reading this line of questioning. My internet is out at my place so I'm phone only. It was a typo that admittedly I saw but didn't have the energy to remove.
Also the insta vote on Marv is bait. Was hoping either Marv or dp would react to it first but given there's a lot of conversation and it's probably too obvious of a bait ehh. I'll have to find time to sit down and re read but initial reaction I'm still sus on cheese tbh that hasn't changed.
Why did you vote dp if Marv is scum team with him? and I already have a vote on him? May as well run up the votes on one person to get info actually make him come into thread and comment.
Light speed is just as much the same to me as last game tbh.
No jake, that was a troll vote, and it was because of the troll votes last game, why are you pretending the marv vote was anything other that what it was?
On August 26 2023 11:01 iamperfection wrote: thank god. you know how depressed i was to get scum in the one game ill probably able to play all year
On August 26 2023 15:57 iamperfection wrote: i just noticed jacob threw a random vote on marv for some reason. Not sure what to make of his play so far. Seems to be trying for max attention at the very least.
And while we're at it, we can add another joke to the mix. That first post and that iamp could have rolled scum again going by the second quote.
##Vote: iamperfection
Vivax why did those posts make you think Perfection was mafia?
This is an actually scummy question from you because I voted iamperfection before I talkes about the posts.
Are you deliberately ignoring the timeline ?
Can you clarify this? beacuse I might have missed something reading the thread all at once.
On August 26 2023 11:01 iamperfection wrote: thank god. you know how depressed i was to get scum in the one game ill probably able to play all year
On August 26 2023 15:57 iamperfection wrote: i just noticed jacob threw a random vote on marv for some reason. Not sure what to make of his play so far. Seems to be trying for max attention at the very least.
And while we're at it, we can add another joke to the mix. That first post and that iamp could have rolled scum again going by the second quote.
##Vote: iamperfection
Vivax why did those posts make you think Perfection was mafia?
This is an actually scummy question from you because I voted iamperfection before I talkes about the posts.
Are you deliberately ignoring the timeline ?
Can you clarify this? beacuse I might have missed something reading the thread all at once.
I got a slight feeling of fakeness from his ‚oh boy I sure am glad I didn‘t roll scum again‘ thing but it could admittedly also mean nothing at my present state of thoughts. As in, I‘m not married to my current vote.
On August 26 2023 13:38 iamperfection wrote: we go from skirting the rules punk to boy scout punk.
Just anecdotally you seem more on point with these calls this game. Could be a well we just lost a game due to this result punk tho so I'll not say it means anything about him more you though.
I like you better this game.
On August 26 2023 16:20 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On August 26 2023 16:17 mathenalin wrote:
On August 26 2023 13:57 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On August 26 2023 13:38 iamperfection wrote: we go from skirting the rules punk to boy scout punk.
Just anecdotally you seem more on point with these calls this game. Could be a well we just lost a game due to this result punk tho so I'll not say it means anything about him more you though.
I like you better this game.
I think anyone could make the same comment if they are in the thread , don't see how you can make a reference to anecdotal rules lawyering and then give someone town points for it
[red]Ahh I think dp only would respect a rule if it works in his favour aka if he was mafia. [\red] Otherwise he'll find any logic possible to bend it to his will.
Jake explain this bullshit please. How can you hold two positions that directly contradict each other?
Oh come on. They don't contradict you should know this. It's in response to someone saying hey you can't give town points for this and me being like obviously under normal circumstances dp is mafia for rules lawyering. Town you would def know what I'm taking about....
No Jake, the first post says that it didn't mean anything because we had just lost a game because of that.
and the subsequent post suddenly it's alignment indicative.
You can't actually believe both things at the same time.
On August 26 2023 11:01 iamperfection wrote: thank god. you know how depressed i was to get scum in the one game ill probably able to play all year
On August 26 2023 15:57 iamperfection wrote: i just noticed jacob threw a random vote on marv for some reason. Not sure what to make of his play so far. Seems to be trying for max attention at the very least.
And while we're at it, we can add another joke to the mix. That first post and that iamp could have rolled scum again going by the second quote.
##Vote: iamperfection
Vivax why did those posts make you think Perfection was mafia?
This is an actually scummy question from you because I voted iamperfection before I talkes about the posts.
Are you deliberately ignoring the timeline ?
Can you clarify this? beacuse I might have missed something reading the thread all at once.
I got a slight feeling of fakeness from his ‚oh boy I sure am glad I didn‘t roll scum again‘ thing but it could admittedly also mean nothing at my present state of thoughts. As in, I‘m not married to my current vote.
OK that's fine.
Why do you think asking about it is scummy?
You didn‘t just ask about it. You made an assumption that I was in the process of scumreading him while confronting him about the typo while I had my vote on him from a previous reason.
I assumed that the typo stood in relation to said thread and he would have noticed it too.
And I think it‘s scummy because it stood out to you as the primary reason for me having a vote on him when it shouldn‘t appear that way if you read my filter in proper order.
I made an assumption you were in the process of scum reading him, because you were voting for him in that post.
I didn't read your filter by the way I was just reading the thread. It stood out as the reason you were voting for him because those were the quotes in the post in which you voted for him.
On August 26 2023 11:01 iamperfection wrote: thank god. you know how depressed i was to get scum in the one game ill probably able to play all year
On August 26 2023 15:57 iamperfection wrote: i just noticed jacob threw a random vote on marv for some reason. Not sure what to make of his play so far. Seems to be trying for max attention at the very least.
And while we're at it, we can add another joke to the mix. That first post and that iamp could have rolled scum again going by the second quote.
##Vote: iamperfection
Vivax why did those posts make you think Perfection was mafia?
This is an actually scummy question from you because I voted iamperfection before I talkes about the posts.
Are you deliberately ignoring the timeline ?
Can you clarify this? beacuse I might have missed something reading the thread all at once.
I got a slight feeling of fakeness from his ‚oh boy I sure am glad I didn‘t roll scum again‘ thing but it could admittedly also mean nothing at my present state of thoughts. As in, I‘m not married to my current vote.
Naw I also felt this. At least initially based on his follow up posted that said it did drift away afterwards.
On August 26 2023 11:01 iamperfection wrote: thank god. you know how depressed i was to get scum in the one game ill probably able to play all year
On August 26 2023 15:57 iamperfection wrote: i just noticed jacob threw a random vote on marv for some reason. Not sure what to make of his play so far. Seems to be trying for max attention at the very least.
And while we're at it, we can add another joke to the mix. That first post and that iamp could have rolled scum again going by the second quote.
##Vote: iamperfection
Vivax why did those posts make you think Perfection was mafia?
This is an actually scummy question from you because I voted iamperfection before I talkes about the posts.
Are you deliberately ignoring the timeline ?
Can you clarify this? beacuse I might have missed something reading the thread all at once.
I got a slight feeling of fakeness from his ‚oh boy I sure am glad I didn‘t roll scum again‘ thing but it could admittedly also mean nothing at my present state of thoughts. As in, I‘m not married to my current vote.
OK that's fine.
Why do you think asking about it is scummy?
You didn‘t just ask about it. You made an assumption that I was in the process of scumreading him while confronting him about the typo while I had my vote on him from a previous reason.
I assumed that the typo stood in relation to said thread and he would have noticed it too.
And I think it‘s scummy because it stood out to you as the primary reason for me having a vote on him when it shouldn‘t appear that way if you read my filter in proper order.
Are you for real with this Vivax?
are you gaslighting me with this statement?!?
That was your first real post of this game, you literally hadn't talked about anything else until this post, and when I ask you why it is scummy, you say - I - am scummy for not reading your filter in proper order?
The typo had not been raised at this point in the game. It was your first post!
On August 26 2023 15:57 iamperfection wrote: i just noticed jacob threw a random vote on marv for some reason. Not sure what to make of his play so far. Seems to be trying for max attention at the very least.
And while we're at it, we can add another joke to the mix. That first post and that iamp could have rolled scum again going by the second quote.
##Vote: iamperfection
You called me scummy and misrepresenting you for not reading your filter in the right order.
But there was nothing before this.
So the question is Vivax:
What order should I have read your filter in to ask about that post in a way that was not scummy?
On August 27 2023 11:35 Vivax wrote: My accusation is that your question was scummy because you thought I was basing my read on iamperfection on the typo topic while all the quoted parts prove that it wasn‘t the case.
I got into the typo because he asked me to look at strangelove. So I asked him if the typo doesn‘t stick out to him and he said no and I doubted if it was the truth because it also stuck out to me. Maybe it held meaning instead ? Now we know it didn‘t.
On August 26 2023 11:01 iamperfection wrote: thank god. you know how depressed i was to get scum in the one game ill probably able to play all year
On August 26 2023 15:57 iamperfection wrote: i just noticed jacob threw a random vote on marv for some reason. Not sure what to make of his play so far. Seems to be trying for max attention at the very least.
And while we're at it, we can add another joke to the mix. That first post and that iamp could have rolled scum again going by the second quote.
##Vote: iamperfection
Vivax why did those posts make you think Perfection was mafia?
I asked specifically why the two posts you quoted in your vote on perfection made you think he was mafia.
On August 27 2023 11:35 Vivax wrote: My accusation is that your question was scummy because you thought I was basing my read on iamperfection on the typo topic while all the quoted parts prove that it wasn‘t the case.
I got into the typo because he asked me to look at strangelove. So I asked him if the typo doesn‘t stick out to him and he said no and I doubted if it was the truth because it also stuck out to me. Maybe it held meaning instead ? Now we know it didn‘t.
So what exactly makea you so infuriated ?
I never said anything about the typo.
On August 27 2023 10:30 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 26 2023 20:06 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2023 11:01 iamperfection wrote: thank god. you know how depressed i was to get scum in the one game ill probably able to play all year
On August 26 2023 15:57 iamperfection wrote: i just noticed jacob threw a random vote on marv for some reason. Not sure what to make of his play so far. Seems to be trying for max attention at the very least.
And while we're at it, we can add another joke to the mix. That first post and that iamp could have rolled scum again going by the second quote.
##Vote: iamperfection
Vivax why did those posts make you think Perfection was mafia?
I asked specifically why the two posts you quoted in your vote on perfection made you think he was mafia.
And I explained the first. The second because it‘s a hedgy opinion that doesn‘t say anything about marv or SL
I don’t care if you answered you said asking about it was scummy because I read your filter in the wrong order.
Which order should I have read it to ask about it in a way that was not scummy?
On August 27 2023 11:46 iamperfection wrote: vivax do you think this push from dp is coming from a scum dp. I see you voted for him but do you think his actions and thought process are scum motivated?
I think he‘s deflecting off having to explain why he was assuming that my scumread on you was driven by me doubting that you thought the typo was irrelevant, because by the placement and unlikelihood it was probably intentional.
How far away from each other are your f and m keys and the shift key?
On August 27 2023 11:46 iamperfection wrote: vivax do you think this push from dp is coming from a scum dp. I see you voted for him but do you think his actions and thought process are scum motivated?
I think he‘s deflecting off having to explain why he was assuming that my scumread on you was driven by me doubting that you thought the typo was irrelevant, because by the placement and unlikelihood it was probably intentional.
How far away from each other are your f and m keys and the shift key?
I never said this anywhere.
Quote where I mention this vivax.
I'll wait.
Anyone reading can verify this by looking at my filter by the way, and then realize Vivax is talking nonsense.
So Vivax is clear scum to me, the deflection, the randomness and trolling nature of his posts, the OMGUS and trying to shit up the thread with confusion rather than address the questions.
I have literally asked, reframed and re-asked the same question, over and over, and haven't got an answer and instead get bullshit about a typo that I never mentioned and don't care about.
On August 27 2023 11:46 iamperfection wrote: vivax do you think this push from dp is coming from a scum dp. I see you voted for him but do you think his actions and thought process are scum motivated?
I think he‘s deflecting off having to explain why he was assuming that my scumread on you was driven by me doubting that you thought the typo was irrelevant, because by the placement and unlikelihood it was probably intentional.
How far away from each other are your f and m keys and the shift key?
I never said this anywhere.
Quote where I mention this vivax.
I'll wait.
You‘re correct, I assumed you meant the posts I was talking about at the time because I didn‘t read the quotes.
Fine then, whole lot of nothing from my part. I failed to spot it. But your questions are answered, so what are we even talking about.
On my phone the f and r are far away and I don‘t use auto.
The same question I asked over and over and over.
What order should I have read your filter so that this post was not scummy:
On August 26 2023 11:01 iamperfection wrote: thank god. you know how depressed i was to get scum in the one game ill probably able to play all year
On August 26 2023 15:57 iamperfection wrote: i just noticed jacob threw a random vote on marv for some reason. Not sure what to make of his play so far. Seems to be trying for max attention at the very least.
And while we're at it, we can add another joke to the mix. That first post and that iamp could have rolled scum again going by the second quote.
##Vote: iamperfection
Vivax why did those posts make you think Perfection was mafia?
On August 27 2023 12:00 DarthPunk wrote: So Vivax is clear scum to me, the deflection, the randomness and trolling nature of his posts, the OMGUS and trying to shit up the thread with confusion rather than address the questions.
Clear, clear, mafia.
Absolutely not. Clumsy maybe, but town. Maybe the accusation isn‘t grounded but I question your motives considering your aggressive approach.
Either way. You play to disrupt and bury, not to solve.
Wait, so you still think I am mafia? you can't let go of that even though by your own admission, the entire basis of your initial suspicions (if that is what they were) was a misunderstanding at best and willful negligence at worst?
On August 27 2023 11:46 iamperfection wrote: vivax do you think this push from dp is coming from a scum dp. I see you voted for him but do you think his actions and thought process are scum motivated?
I think he‘s deflecting off having to explain why he was assuming that my scumread on you was driven by me doubting that you thought the typo was irrelevant, because by the placement and unlikelihood it was probably intentional.
How far away from each other are your f and m keys and the shift key?
I never said this anywhere.
Quote where I mention this vivax.
I'll wait.
You‘re correct, I assumed you meant the posts I was talking about at the time because I didn‘t read the quotes.
Fine then, whole lot of nothing from my part. I failed to spot it. But your questions are answered, so what are we even talking about.
On my phone the f and r are far away and I don‘t use auto.
The same question I asked over and over and over.
What order should I have read your filter so that this post was not scummy:
On August 27 2023 10:30 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 26 2023 20:06 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2023 11:01 iamperfection wrote: thank god. you know how depressed i was to get scum in the one game ill probably able to play all year
On August 26 2023 15:57 iamperfection wrote: i just noticed jacob threw a random vote on marv for some reason. Not sure what to make of his play so far. Seems to be trying for max attention at the very least.
And while we're at it, we can add another joke to the mix. That first post and that iamp could have rolled scum again going by the second quote.
##Vote: iamperfection
Vivax why did those posts make you think Perfection was mafia?
I made the wrong assumption here considering that I was mentally engaged with another topic when you asked me about a former one.
You interceded between me and iamp so it occurred that way.
OK, to be clear, you thought it was scummy because you made an assumption based on not reading the post properly.
On August 27 2023 11:46 iamperfection wrote: vivax do you think this push from dp is coming from a scum dp. I see you voted for him but do you think his actions and thought process are scum motivated?
I think he‘s deflecting off having to explain why he was assuming that my scumread on you was driven by me doubting that you thought the typo was irrelevant, because by the placement and unlikelihood it was probably intentional.
How far away from each other are your f and m keys and the shift key?
I never said this anywhere.
Quote where I mention this vivax.
I'll wait.
You‘re correct, I assumed you meant the posts I was talking about at the time because I didn‘t read the quotes.
Fine then, whole lot of nothing from my part. I failed to spot it. But your questions are answered, so what are we even talking about.
On my phone the f and r are far away and I don‘t use auto.
The same question I asked over and over and over.
What order should I have read your filter so that this post was not scummy:
On August 27 2023 10:30 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 26 2023 20:06 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2023 11:01 iamperfection wrote: thank god. you know how depressed i was to get scum in the one game ill probably able to play all year
On August 26 2023 15:57 iamperfection wrote: i just noticed jacob threw a random vote on marv for some reason. Not sure what to make of his play so far. Seems to be trying for max attention at the very least.
And while we're at it, we can add another joke to the mix. That first post and that iamp could have rolled scum again going by the second quote.
##Vote: iamperfection
Vivax why did those posts make you think Perfection was mafia?
I made the wrong assumption here considering that I was mentally engaged with another topic when you asked me about a former one.
You interceded between me and iamp so it occurred that way.
OK, to be clear, you thought it was scummy because you made an assumption based on not reading the post properly.
On August 27 2023 12:24 JacobStrangelove wrote: I tried chez too much text for the AI.
Hmm dp maybe because this game you're mafia and you need me to seem not town. Don't hit me with vibes or logic hit me with emotions and anecdotes.
Legit though that meaning was always there but I can't be like hey guys I'm bating people with this vote oh boy I hope they fall for it after I've told them. I feel like this is a prime example of you falling for the bait tbh. Which .. is actually weird because it does come chronologically after I said it was a bait so maybe you were right I should start labelling all my traps trap.
It's only a trap for you though Jake, if you are town.
On August 27 2023 09:51 Vivax wrote: You can be town, that sequence was very townie imo.
Just don‘t be scum after I wrote this and you can afk all you want.
Are you again Mafia?
Define again lmao
In the future, do you plan to hire a killer named Grack to kill sleeping villagers?
Wtf are you talking about?
Vivax how does this not make sense? This seems really straightforward to me, and I expect you two to generally find it easier to be on each others wavelength given how well I expect you know each other.
The wording is off. And don‘t get me started on how much fuckery there‘s in our heads that it‘s more often than not a struggle just to communicate.
On August 27 2023 13:34 TankTopTiger wrote: It's tricky, I don't feel like this is how he acts as town or scum.
His misunderstanding assuming you were asking about the typo was NAI. His caring about the typo at all to begin with was poor play but I know plenty of the people here read into similar BS. His not understanding DMB was ??? His initial vote on Iamp was plausible as town opener although the reasoning was so bad it would have been better had he not given any reasons at all.
This whole time, I was half expecting you to be too keen after the headpats I gave you (out of game) for nailing Iamp in august 1.1. I can see you being overeager to perform the same feat again catching scum in what feels like the first 10 minutes, and accidentally browbeating a hapless townie into paste.
I don't think it's as locked down as you do. I'm guessing your confidence is 90+, mine is prob 60+. But he also passed one of my tests during that conversation. It might not be a good read, but based on his behaviour in Endures II, I expected him to fall into my wake if I offered him any form of protection. He reacted with hostility and pride which seems townier to me.
On August 27 2023 13:34 Vivax wrote: But you should also know that there‘s nothing that exempts you, TTT from being scumread because to be honest ? That best friend in the moment thing sounds rather manipulative vulgo bullshite in the context of mafia.
I think he seemed less together in Endures 1, similar to this game.
And in the Mafia QT from last game, he operated with a mindset of fear, so getting me all riled up straight away is not something that I would expect scum!vivax to want to do.
But I also think he is self aware enough to play on all these facets of his play so meh
On August 27 2023 14:00 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmm I feel we aren't putting enough view pressure on anyone this game. Ttt wanna view cheese with me?
Dp any reason to not vote cheese? Feel like he would break out of it at some point as town us know. Or if mafia would eventually crack.
It's more that there is no reason to vote for him, rather than a reason to not vote for him, I want the Euros and US ppl back in the thread before I consolidate on a wagon.
On August 27 2023 15:49 JacobStrangelove wrote: I'm restless I feel like when nothing happens mafia wins and compared to last game it feels more dead and directionless.
Who would you like to lynch if you couldn't lynch chez>?
On August 27 2023 10:24 DarthPunk wrote: Hey, my guests just left so ill be around for the next 12 hours.
I think Jacob looks much worse this game, but also acknowledge that because the people who post at the start of the game inevitably face sucpicion (i should know its usually me) I am going to re-read first.
Jake, is that marv vote a troll or genuine? I want you to commit to a position please.
On August 27 2023 16:49 marvellosity wrote: Well, I actually don’t have much to say. Vivax’s posts felt obtuse and I thought I recognised misdirection there from when we were scum together. But he argued about it so damn much this time which is a different look and more classically ‘vivax’
I am basically sitting in this boat, at the end I thought he seemed to make a lot more sense, but im wondering if he is actually as oblivious as he was making himself out to be.
Cause Re-reading that fight we had, it was really, really hard to not understand, and I feel like he would literally 'have' to play the misunderstanding angle to have me let go of it.
On August 27 2023 05:34 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] Why you voting DP? Also isn't it a little to early to form a scumteam?
Because it makes me happy. Maybe yes, mayne no.
So no reason other than to make yourself happy?
Secret reasons that arzn't good enough to write down lol. You want to talk iamp meta?
He hasn't made a lot posts so far but maybe slight differences from last game?
+1 Together we are 2
I made zero posts at this point (aside from a post saying I wasn't posting)
How are there slight differences from last game Koshi?
The difference is stark
Explained
and verifiable
the only thing that smells bad is trying to imply it's more than it is.
As mafia it is hard to read propperly. Just isnt as much fun.
Can you explain yourself please?
If you are just doing this to try and get lynched I can totally oblige.
A good mafia strategy is to scan the thread for your name ans attack the people attacking you. However, I would suggest to attack arguments made against you and not other people. That's just overkill.
What are you talking about? are you saying I was doing that?
If so then you should just say it rather than imply it.
I read the whole thread as both alignments FYI so I would never use that strategy.
If he is going to play this bad, then I am happy to lynch him for it because he isn't contributing if he is town, and he will be hard to catch if he is allowed to just do this as mafia.
On August 27 2023 05:53 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] So no reason other than to make yourself happy?
Secret reasons that arzn't good enough to write down lol. You want to talk iamp meta?
He hasn't made a lot posts so far but maybe slight differences from last game?
+1 Together we are 2
I made zero posts at this point (aside from a post saying I wasn't posting)
How are there slight differences from last game Koshi?
The difference is stark
Explained
and verifiable
the only thing that smells bad is trying to imply it's more than it is.
As mafia it is hard to read propperly. Just isnt as much fun.
Can you explain yourself please?
If you are just doing this to try and get lynched I can totally oblige.
A good mafia strategy is to scan the thread for your name ans attack the people attacking you. However, I would suggest to attack arguments made against you and not other people. That's just overkill.
What are you talking about? are you saying I was doing that?
If so then you should just say it rather than imply it.
I read the whole thread as both alignments FYI so I would never use that strategy.
I also don't think it's a good strategy.
So...
We were talking about iamp not you. You take something personal that wasn't even directed at you. What is the word for that. Inherent guilt or something like that.
Actually it's not that clear which part of that post you are responding to.
On August 27 2023 13:07 TankTopTiger wrote: I asked DMB.
I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on.
Icky
If you are around, would be interested to see where your thoughts are at this point.
Yeh im around.
I need to go over a few bits again but some highlights to me.
Your push on vivax was the most memorable. I haven't decided if vivax was "caught out" or just being obtuse and confrontational with you , there's a lot of headspace talk that i dont understand. I do like that you are back in the thread and pushing , game has felt directionless
I read ttt's explanation of his only friend comment. Its a pretty obvious "play". does mafia make plays though, he certainly seems different to last game.
There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble.
Last game marv and rayn were both town and it felt we made good progress. This game rayn has activity issues which I get but i havent felt the same drive or well thought out comments from either. Something to keep an eye on.
LS has been pretty AFK again with a weirdly reasoned read. Apparently that is normal LS according to marv. But i havent seen emotional involvement and he only responds when his name gets pinged so i don't like him.
It seems like i need to form an opinion on iamp and jacob if i want to get a feel for some other players. Prioritising that next unless you have other questions
If you had to lynch someone that is not Chezinu right now who would it be?
On August 27 2023 17:45 mathenalin wrote: Although from above I liked marvs comment on vivaxs behaviour in your argument with him. That felt like the sort of comment he was making last game so thats good
Didn‘t feel that likable to me. I need to see more engagement with DP as I think he‘s town now purely for the evolution of his read on me, while marvs isn‘t fleshed out or deep at all.
Agreed.
where are you marv ?? Are you the hero we need or the one we deserve?
On August 27 2023 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont gave a hangover, but istilö have some stuff to move since mon-wed i work 18:30-06:30 shifts and i have two dentists during the days so i have no way to move any stuff during those days. This was supposed to be night phase anyways so
I javw bewn reading the thread though, havent felt the nees to post in the middle of arguments. Im gonna sum up my thoughts so far in a bit.
On August 27 2023 20:31 Chezinu wrote: It seems the faceless townfolks care not what I see. Perhaps my Lord will hear me and give insights to what I saw. To the cathedral!!!
On August 27 2023 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn think Vivax was trolling too much last game, and definitely didnt "just" post nonsensical stuff.
he avoided having conversation with his teammates as well. For me it's to early to see him as red
Vivax has had a comverdation basically with iamperfection and DP this game. If he is not mafia with these people fie, but how can you use that "not hving conversations with his scum partners" as a basis of a read(?), whe he hasnt basically talked with 10 otherppl?
It’s indeed a very strange post. There’s reasons for him to be either alignment, but that isn’t one of them
Isn't she clearly talking about last game?
She is saying,
1.) last game he also avoided speaking with his team mates. in addition to trolling etc.
Not Voting (5): LightningStrike, Chezinu, die_meatbaby,TankTopTiger, DarthPunk
TTT and DP abstaining sticks out.
VE wagon should be goated judging by the names of it.
I'll stick to the underdog wagon.
We were asleep, I woke up and got to work and I'm catching up now.
My initial thoughts are that I don't want to lynch VE but I got burned so hard from that our last game together that I am probably not going to go ham defending him either.
I would appreciate it if you defend yourself though.
Im going to go read through the thread again properly. I am around to chat about lynches.
I think Chez is a pretty good lynch here actually. Not being able to post a town seal late game removes some of the equity in keeping him around trolling all game.
On August 27 2023 22:55 iamperfection wrote: So my thoughts currently are that DP is likely town. I have less of a town read on Vivax but some of his posts have been so absurd i don't think it can be from a scum so less likely but town.
Rayn has been okish imo and has some similar opinions that i have so i would say green if pressed.
Marv has been somewhat passive so i would have him as dark grey if that makes sense. He has some good comments at points but i would expect that from him from either alignment.
Jacob is grey as well but im leaning more on the green side he seems to have at least intrest in lynching someone at least.
Chez has been useless
Koshi has been useless as well i would be fine with him out.
VE has been extremely useless and i see no posts with intent to try and figure out peoples alignments i think he is likely scum. He has one post where he says chez ill be watching you which comes off as unauthentic to me i would like to lynch him. I would most like to lynch him at the moment.
There are other people in the game too but i don't have opinions yet.
im voting ve
I like this post, particularly the the marv and jacob reads as they align with my own thoughts, as others have mentioned perfection looking good as town this game.
On August 27 2023 23:09 TankTopTiger wrote: Why VE?
He seems like the kind of player who enjoys playing scum. In Endures I, he blatantly led the mislynch D1 in all caps, reveling all the way. Like I get that he hasn't been active, and has failed to confirm himself town which (for reasons I'm unaware of) is apparently something he does a lot.
But am I wrong to expect him not to cower or coast as red?
I think this is a good point. but I have some issues with TTT this game I think.
Generally I would expect Mafia!TTT to still have good points, to seem coherent and logical and to ask questions that are reasonable and pertinent.
The difference is that as Mafia they fail to lead to anything productive or execute a scumhunting agenda.
In endures 1 and 2 TTT was clearly pushing a scumhunting agenda, and in these past two starts I haven't seen that from him really at all.
I think the attempted trap on Vivax was something I saw him use on marv in Endures 1 so that is a potential town trait.
I also think he would have improved his play from feedback from last game, so yeah, not green on TTT which is not really something I enjoy.
On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight. Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it.
If the fight is forced between DP and Vivax but you’re not scumreading either, what’s the angle?
I think this town against town. Still not sure about V, he is acting differently but I think it's because of some privat shit, so no reason for red flag. And Dp seems quit different as well then the last games
DMB why do you mention that it is town vs town but that we are both acting differently from our town games?
it's kind of contradictory.
On August 28 2023 01:04 Vivax wrote: Happy bday LS!
DP seems on edge at times but I think he has treated me very fairly.
TTT with the best friend in the room on the other hand raised a red flag in a moment where he assumed I was vulnerable to look for allies, and didn‘t do much with it at all.
Chezinu I don‘t know wtf he is about with his crypticness but he can get launched today for all I care.
I think Vivax is looking really town at this point so that is good. I also like using DMB as a barometer for Vivax, cause I feel like she is hyper aware of him and would call him mafia if there was literally any reason to, as both alignments.
On August 28 2023 00:05 marvellosity wrote: Obvs VE hasn’t done anything, but I’m not gonna vote someone I can typically read pretty okay just because I can’t read them right now
On August 28 2023 00:11 iamperfection wrote: wouldn't you say koshi and ve are somewhat similar ?
I would not
care to be specific ? or are you just going to continue to be lazy?
Depends, are you going to continue to be annoying? (That’s rhetorical)
How to explain… VE can vary anywhere between 0 and 100 as either alignment depending on how he’s feeling or what’s going on irl or whatever factor you like.
Koshi… he was quiet last game but his read on you I just agreed with. And he’s not like VE, he’s more consistently the same Koshi regardless.
On August 28 2023 03:39 iamperfection wrote: ve is being very nice and it disturbs me
It’s not the niceness that disturbs me. His vote is on someone who is suspicious of the other person he’s suspicious of, based on a rule he’s warning his vote target that people take seriously (although he doesn’t but also does) except no one else is taking it seriously.
Found it. Yeah this does look pretty bad, the question is, can VE do that as town?
On August 28 2023 03:27 mathenalin wrote: Am i a snowflake if i vote VE or is his vote on me so unbelievably bad that its warranted
This post is sus as fuck.
Why is he checking the temperature of the thread before he votes? Like if you are town you know this motherfucker is wrong about you and trying to kill you. The self awareness of how he is being perceived in the thread strikes me.
On August 28 2023 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: mathenalin, around 10 hours ago you said you were prioritizing getting a read on iamp and Jacob. I see you formed a read on iamp but there is no mention in your filter about Jacob (even after you talked with DP about your reads -- so it doesn't fall under "if anyone has questions for me" anymore i guess).
Did you ever form a read on Jacob?
I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour.
His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly.
His vote on marv being anything other than a joke.
Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.
I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case.
I find it quite weird you treat this as anti-town behavior for some reasons: 1) Every vote particularly during D1 is "pressure", since noone has a good clue who is mafia (especially seems to be true this game since nobody really seems to have a even remotely good case they trust. 2) You said yourself, before voting for Chezinu, at twice, that pressure on Chezinu is good and should be kept up.
Why did you say that while simultaneously claiming if you announce pressure it loses power over the target?
Well i tried to pretend I had a reason
Hate this, town doesn't do this.
On August 28 2023 03:36 marvellosity wrote: Very cocky/confident answers if he’s mafia, rayn
He strikes me as confident and cocky in general, I don't think this is a good enough reason to not consider him.
Last game Mathenalin seemed far more agentic and proactive in forming reads, this game it seems like he is coasting and answering prompts. Almost like he is hedging his reads.
On August 27 2023 16:49 marvellosity wrote: Well, I actually don’t have much to say. Vivax’s posts felt obtuse and I thought I recognised misdirection there from when we were scum together. But he argued about it so damn much this time which is a different look and more classically ‘vivax’
I am basically sitting in this boat, at the end I thought he seemed to make a lot more sense, but im wondering if he is actually as oblivious as he was making himself out to be.
Cause Re-reading that fight we had, it was really, really hard to not understand, and I feel like he would literally 'have' to play the misunderstanding angle to have me let go of it.
As soon he gets pressure for his shitfight he drops it. So in his head Vivax was being an idiot to just fuck with him? And that makes Vivax mafia? Don't buy it. He went over the top way too fast.
I dropped it before I got any pressure.
The post you are quoting from marv is AFTER i said he was probably town.
looks like you also don't read properly.
On August 28 2023 04:34 Koshi wrote: After that DP does nothing. So really activity is the only reason to not lynch him.
Him fucking up the thread and misreading obvious things would be a good reason to lynch him.
Does nothing.... Dude I was fucking dragging a dead thread along, it was fucking painful as fuck.
On August 28 2023 04:47 Koshi wrote: I don't know if I like TTT full filter though. Feels like he is waiting on something to happen and jump on it. He is making really safe/"smart" posts and I can see a sneaky mafia. Would I ever lynch TTT with that filter? No. Can I say he is not mafia? No.
On TTT, i think his questions are smarter this game. Like in his own way it looks to me like he is actually trying to solve something. Before restart in one of my last posts i found this shit i didn't remember who posted it (when VE voted for TTT):
On August 25 2023 18:12 TankTopTiger wrote: @Math and IAP In your opinion, who here has the best idea of how you play as town vs. mafia?
@VE can you describe a scenario in which your line of questioning regarding my excitement for this game results in a read one way or another? It's not clicking for me what you were looking to happen here.
Like this "looks smart" but actually those are very garbage questions with no intention to solve anything. He couldnt even see how possibly asking DP about TTT meta would result in anything...
It's like, about a light year from this game (and games before) to me. He might have learned from mistake, but for now i doubt it at least much enough to not vote him.
He will seem smart as either alignment, its if he does anything with it that matters. In this case, hasn't done anything, so while agree that he seems better this game, I also don't think he has demonstrated he is green at this point
On August 28 2023 05:03 mathenalin wrote: Probably wont be around at lynch.
I have responsibilities, but , my lynch order
VE chez LS Any other mo fo lurkers
Blegh, like last game he was pushing me, and he struck me as someone that is suspicious of people who take thread control. this game he has been on those three plus Jake, like the least controversial pushes.
As much as looks bad, this guy also looks bad.
On August 28 2023 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Read his filter up until when I voted for him and compare that to after I voted for him
I think I see what VE see's so I think I like VE better.
I think Math is wayyyy too 'clean' this game, like he is playing but everything is sterile. add that he is proven to be actively concious of how he is being perceived.
I like a Math lynch and don;t like a VE lynch at this point.
On August 28 2023 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Read his filter up until when I voted for him and compare that to after I voted for him
On August 28 2023 06:11 Koshi wrote: Due to me not playing and not awarding points that is.
Not gonna lie your tone seems off. But I'm kinda unstable rn.
Tone as in? I need to be in the thread to do my normal thing. I hate and love it at the same time. I waste so much time but I understand the game better.
You lack the 'tingles' It looks more like you're doing chores
I agree with this, feels like he is going through the motions, although IRL could explain things.
On August 28 2023 07:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya I'm not even going to fight it not with that fucking stack and koshi afk, I might not actually be able to swing this. I'm town, this is a middle but not an unreasonable one. Good luck bois.
On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote: Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.
Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.
I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.
I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.
On August 28 2023 09:02 TankTopTiger wrote: @DP Name one game in the last five years in which I was confirmed town at this point in the game? You're being a bozo.
you seemed town to me the last two games at this point. But not this time.
On August 28 2023 09:12 Chezinu wrote: I always troll first 24 hours. It kind of my trademark.
it aint the first 24 hours. You ninja voted your counter wagon with no explanation. DP is trying to amount another counter wagon on the one other person you basically talked about this game and you havent even commented on it.
On August 28 2023 09:24 die_meatbaby wrote: I suspect too many players at the moment and have only one townread (Koshi)
IMP has a strange way of playing/writing. Before I vote you I have to read through old games of yours.
Vivax behaves exactly the same as in the very first game when he was dr. Maybe I am colorblind, but maybe not
My grandma told me once i should never vote on somebody with a nicename Chez otherwise a ghost comes to haunt you in every game in PC.
#vote TTT To be honest, I can't describe it. It's just missing. It miss the ambition you have to find the wolf. It miss the discussions when you focus on a player and put him under pressure. There is just so much missing. It feels like a different person is playing in this game. I can't help but see you on the Red team.
This is basically how I feel about TTT at this point as well
On August 28 2023 09:24 die_meatbaby wrote: I suspect too many players at the moment and have only one townread (Koshi)
IMP has a strange way of playing/writing. Before I vote you I have to read through old games of yours.
Vivax behaves exactly the same as in the very first game when he was dr. Maybe I am colorblind, but maybe not
My grandma told me once i should never vote on somebody with a nicename Chez otherwise a ghost comes to haunt you in every game in PC.
#vote TTT To be honest, I can't describe it. It's just missing. It miss the ambition you have to find the wolf. It miss the discussions when you focus on a player and put him under pressure. There is just so much missing. It feels like a different person is playing in this game. I can't help but see you on the Red team.
The read on me and the TTT read have the potential to be the best reads in the game, down the line. Take notes from my girlfriend, you amateurs.
I'm just putting it out there, I am ok with a Chez lynch but not because I think he is slam dunk mafia, its about making the game readable and the fact that I am not sure of his alignment.
On August 28 2023 09:42 DarthPunk wrote: I'm just putting it out there, I am ok with a Chez lynch but not because I think he is slam dunk mafia, its about making the game readable and the fact that I am not sure of his alignment.
I can‘t read either while Chezinu is in the game. But I believe that getting yeeted D1 is something required in the mafia veteran checklist and lookie here, we even gott ourselves a doctor claim!
Well, maybe a fake one but we must maintain tradition and lynch the doctor claim.
@DP Name one game in the last five years in which I was confirmed town at this point in the game? You're being a bozo.
I literally talked to you about this between games, that you think I'm somehow confirmed town D1, but I wasn't present D1 in endurance I, and in endurance II I basically sheeped you D1. Where does this "strong independent confirmed town D1" TTT myth come from? I've made it pretty clear I don't like D1 because it's a low information environment and so most of this is just a dance with no real conviction. I hate this so much from you. I'm pretty sure the last time I describe D1 to you it was that "it's cancer".
You just don't make sense to me. There isn't a coherent worldview there when I know I've talked to you about this stuff.
I don't care about what other people think about you day one or what you think of your self,
I know that, to me, I generally don't want to lynch you and shield you from others even because I can see reasons that you are town.
The past two games (this and the aborted version) I haven't seen that.
There is no reason to protect you, or even not lynch you at this point.
Here is my problem with the Chez lynch, it is too easy.
1.)There is very little push back, in fact I am the only push back. And I know I am town, so it seems to me that mafia, whoever they are, are content with the direction of the wagons.
2.) there is very little town cred to be gained from lynching chez, so it doesn't even make sense as a bus.
On August 28 2023 09:59 TankTopTiger wrote: Mmmm you first.
@DP Name one game in the last five years in which I was confirmed town at this point in the game? You're being a bozo.
I literally talked to you about this between games, that you think I'm somehow confirmed town D1, but I wasn't present D1 in endurance I, and in endurance II I basically sheeped you D1. Where does this "strong independent confirmed town D1" TTT myth come from? I've made it pretty clear I don't like D1 because it's a low information environment and so most of this is just a dance with no real conviction. I hate this so much from you. I'm pretty sure the last time I describe D1 to you it was that "it's cancer".
You just don't make sense to me. There isn't a coherent worldview there when I know I've talked to you about this stuff.
I don't care about what other people think about you day one or what you think of your self,
I know that, to me, I generally don't want to lynch you and shield you from others even because I can see reasons that you are town.
The past two games (this and the aborted version) I haven't seen that.
There is no reason to protect you, or even not lynch you at this point.
To expand on this, usually i see posts that are logical and reasonable that I agree with that also resonate with the way I am viewing the game, usually you are vibing the same way with me, and in that way we often become allies.
This game you say things that are logical and reasonable and empty, and im not resonating with your perspectives
On August 28 2023 09:12 Chezinu wrote: I always troll first 24 hours. It kind of my trademark.
it aint the first 24 hours. You ninja voted your counter wagon with no explanation. DP is trying to amount another counter wagon on the one other person you basically talked about this game and you havent even commented on it.
On August 28 2023 09:12 Chezinu wrote: I always troll first 24 hours. It kind of my trademark.
it aint the first 24 hours. You ninja voted your counter wagon with no explanation. DP is trying to amount another counter wagon on the one other person you basically talked about this game and you havent even commented on it.
Yeah I noticed this as well.
Big red flag.
Things have developed since then.
you think he has a post of value since then. Show me
I don't
but tell me, from my perspective, where are the mafia voting right now?
On August 28 2023 09:59 TankTopTiger wrote: Mmmm you first.
@DP Name one game in the last five years in which I was confirmed town at this point in the game? You're being a bozo.
I literally talked to you about this between games, that you think I'm somehow confirmed town D1, but I wasn't present D1 in endurance I, and in endurance II I basically sheeped you D1. Where does this "strong independent confirmed town D1" TTT myth come from? I've made it pretty clear I don't like D1 because it's a low information environment and so most of this is just a dance with no real conviction. I hate this so much from you. I'm pretty sure the last time I describe D1 to you it was that "it's cancer".
You just don't make sense to me. There isn't a coherent worldview there when I know I've talked to you about this stuff.
I don't care about what other people think about you day one or what you think of your self,
I know that, to me, I generally don't want to lynch you and shield you from others even because I can see reasons that you are town.
The past two games (this and the aborted version) I haven't seen that.
There is no reason to protect you, or even not lynch you at this point.
Mmmm I disagree. I think I've shown I can be useful later in the game, and I haven't shown I can be useful early in the game. I think you're also very confident you can catch me later on if I'm red.
So in your position, killing TTT now removes town equity if town, and if TTT is red you will catch him later.
I think you're being fullofshit right now.
Ok. what does that mean? will you do something about it.
I am confident I can catch you if you are red, and the above are the reasons why I would think you are red.
On August 28 2023 10:04 DarthPunk wrote: Here is my problem with the Chez lynch, it is too easy.
1.)There is very little push back, in fact I am the only push back. And I know I am town, so it seems to me that mafia, whoever they are, are content with the direction of the wagons.
2.) there is very little town cred to be gained from lynching chez, so it doesn't even make sense as a bus.
Not every mafia might want to alter their sleep schedule because of the lynch.
It‘s an international game
Yeah but the only mafia not on the wagon would be Koshi in my estimation, and he was also not against a Chez lynch.
you seemed town to me the last two games at this point. But not this time.
I literally wasn't in the game in Endurance I, so actually you just made up half of that.
Im counting day 2 as your day 1.
pretty straight forward.
That's stupid as hell.
D1 means no information. There have been no lynches nobodies alignment has been confirmed. You know when making comparisons that this is what's important.
Are you still standing by this?
Yes, in terms of the amount of time that I need to feel like your thought processes resonate with me.
On August 28 2023 10:04 DarthPunk wrote: Here is my problem with the Chez lynch, it is too easy.
1.)There is very little push back, in fact I am the only push back. And I know I am town, so it seems to me that mafia, whoever they are, are content with the direction of the wagons.
2.) there is very little town cred to be gained from lynching chez, so it doesn't even make sense as a bus.
Not every mafia might want to alter their sleep schedule because of the lynch.
It‘s an international game
Yeah but the only mafia not on the wagon would be Koshi in my estimation, and he was also not against a Chez lynch.
So unless you think marv and rayn are scum.
Where are the mafia?
your acting like you know chez is going to flip green
I don't know, and i do this all the time as town (see multiple wagons the last two games as town)
On August 28 2023 09:59 TankTopTiger wrote: Mmmm you first.
@DP Name one game in the last five years in which I was confirmed town at this point in the game? You're being a bozo.
I literally talked to you about this between games, that you think I'm somehow confirmed town D1, but I wasn't present D1 in endurance I, and in endurance II I basically sheeped you D1. Where does this "strong independent confirmed town D1" TTT myth come from? I've made it pretty clear I don't like D1 because it's a low information environment and so most of this is just a dance with no real conviction. I hate this so much from you. I'm pretty sure the last time I describe D1 to you it was that "it's cancer".
You just don't make sense to me. There isn't a coherent worldview there when I know I've talked to you about this stuff.
I don't care about what other people think about you day one or what you think of your self,
I know that, to me, I generally don't want to lynch you and shield you from others even because I can see reasons that you are town.
The past two games (this and the aborted version) I haven't seen that.
There is no reason to protect you, or even not lynch you at this point.
Mmmm I disagree. I think I've shown I can be useful later in the game, and I haven't shown I can be useful early in the game. I think you're also very confident you can catch me later on if I'm red.
So in your position, killing TTT now removes town equity if town, and if TTT is red you will catch him later.
I think you're being fullofshit right now.
Ok. what does that mean? will you do something about it.
I am confident I can catch you if you are red, and the above are the reasons why I would think you are red.
So what doesn't make sense about this?
Do you stand by all of this stuff or are you just rapid posting chaos before lynch?
On August 28 2023 10:25 TankTopTiger wrote: If you're standing by everything you've said in this exchange, I don't see a way for a green DP to keep that all in his head at once. Still won't vote for you D1, as I think that only takes votes off Chez and does not put any meaningful votes on you.
But yeah I'm pretty sure you're mafia if you're claiming to actually believe this stuff.
Why am i mafia for thinking that?
Why won't you post about mathenalin after saying you would filter dive him hours ago.
On August 28 2023 10:26 JacobStrangelove wrote: If you're town resistance is the ve lynch theoretically. And maybe people deciding it's not worth trying to save him true. But I guess if cheese isn't red that's good for you day 2.
On August 28 2023 10:28 TankTopTiger wrote: Nah mate you literally interrupted the filter and are trying to shit on me for not having completed filtering. I've been trying to figure you out you know I can't do both. I don't care about math.
Ok, and you think I would only think this about you as mafia correct?
On August 28 2023 10:25 TankTopTiger wrote: If you're standing by everything you've said in this exchange, I don't see a way for a green DP to keep that all in his head at once. Still won't vote for you D1, as I think that only takes votes off Chez and does not put any meaningful votes on you.
But yeah I'm pretty sure you're mafia if you're claiming to actually believe this stuff.
This is what I meant. This is what makes you red. Town TTT would not do that. Town TTT would ignore this und would try to get everybody to go the his original suspect and don´t just suspect somebody who was suspecting him. This is definitely not a Town game you make here. Thats not TTT what i am used do
DMB, everyone is already on my lynch. There is no need to refocus town because unless something changes, I get my way.
Regarding the OMGUS, yes it is in a way, but it's not just that. Town DP doesn't do this. DP respects my late game after Endures I, he made up my aptitude in early game. Town DP does not think that "D1 is when you first post". Town DP does not give up town equity on a scaler over them not having proven themselves early in the game.
You'll note I'm not filtering DP rn. I'm not making a huge war. I'm in a back and forth because I want to get him to take hard stances that he can't take back later if/when I actually go after him.
You don;t really understand what I said about you do you.
I am not saying you play well day 1 or at the start of games.
I am saying that usually, within 24-48 hours of you being in a game, there are reasons for me to feel you could be town.
usually because you are posting logical and insightful questions or arguments that resonate with my view of the game.
This is why we are usually on the same page.
But this game is absent of that, and your posts, while logical are lacking insight, and do not resonate with me.
I agree to others you look weak when you start posting, but not to me which is what matters to me.
Also I am not giving up town equity here even if you are town somehow. So not sure what you are actually saying here again.
See this is another example of what you are saying is logically right, but meaningfully absent.
On August 28 2023 10:51 TankTopTiger wrote: Can someone that isn't chezinu explain the doctor thing to me real slow. That seems potentially really important and it was lost.
He is a doctor IRL
We lynched a in game doctor day one the last two games.
On August 28 2023 10:59 TankTopTiger wrote: Oh so actually your reads on me are base on what **you** think of me wow very meaningful. You're wiggling out of your words to make them mean something different and meaningless.
The only game you have as evidence I sheeped you because CC wasn't working out (and even that was something you were pushing before I was, but I feel my read was more independent).
Literally sample size 1 and IMO it wasn't even a representative game because I could not get the lynch I wanted so was sheep devoid of agency.
On August 28 2023 08:54 LightningStrike wrote: I am back from having to do house work all day and Koshi looks a bit better but his vote on VE seems off? Idk how to feel about Koshi. VE though not being as abrasive as he was when I was mafia with him in Endure's 1 but he wasn't around as much as that game either if I remember how much activity he had that game but his content not exactly that great either. Chez not doing anything after the Chez rule stuff and ninja voting VE ???? Chez most likely is mafia out of the 2 wagons though if I have to pick out of those 2. ##Vote: Chezinu
maybe here too
Have you played much with ls before? He has this skill that every post he makes wants me to lynch him as both alignments
On August 28 2023 08:54 LightningStrike wrote: I am back from having to do house work all day and Koshi looks a bit better but his vote on VE seems off? Idk how to feel about Koshi. VE though not being as abrasive as he was when I was mafia with him in Endure's 1 but he wasn't around as much as that game either if I remember how much activity he had that game but his content not exactly that great either. Chez not doing anything after the Chez rule stuff and ninja voting VE ???? Chez most likely is mafia out of the 2 wagons though if I have to pick out of those 2. ##Vote: Chezinu
maybe here too
Have you played much with ls before? He has this skill that every post he makes wants me to lynch him as both alignments
Hard to read because of it.
looks like he was in one of the few of the last games i played. Im scaring myself because i actually have no memory of the game.
On August 28 2023 12:29 TankTopTiger wrote: DMB's vote on me felt green to me. I think I gave them a lasting impression of competence in Endurance I and so it makes sense that they see me not that engaged and think it's off. The call out of nowhere also seems very them. She soul-read the red team in Endurance II when in-game town was struggling, so I think she also kind of earned confidence in this respect.
Re: DP I'm not really into getting grilled by you when I don't feel you're good faith. The person I felt was reddest just flipped green, and I'm not allowed to say you're red, so like... kinda hard to answer anyway...
why arn't you allowed to say he's red lol
He asked me to assume that he's green, and if so, who's mafia.
So basically I was in a position where if you asked this two hours ago if I had any reads I would be able to confidently say two names, but due to the timing and the specifics of the question I couldn't honestly give any reads that are fresh and I genuinely want to discuss.
Ok then, give it the next 24 hours or whatever and get back to me.
On August 28 2023 11:51 DarthPunk wrote: Assuming I’m town who do you think are mafia and town in this game TTT
This is me hoping you are town ttt btw.
I’m not going to push you for this whole night.
I hope I can see something redeeming in how you approach the game with that space.
sorry missed this
I'm glad you're giving me space to breathe, thanks because I need it. But you know that this stuff was a read and not just me trying to OMGUS you right? As in, you extending olive branches after me calling you out for it, does not change the value of the read at the time. I have multiple good reasons to believe you were in confirmation mode when you have been the most hesitant player the last two games. A town DP gets stunlocked by the possibilities because he genuinely doesn't want to lynch town. What you did was discard reality (not just possibilities) in service to the lynch you thought was possible when DMB and Vivax presented you the opportunity. Your explanations were also weak. No take backsies.
I'm gonna leave you alone for a while too though I will be filtering you at some point (among others who I'm behind on).
It looks like OMGUS to me though.
And I am operating in good faith, you may not feel like it right now, but when I flip or the game ends you will know.
On August 28 2023 11:51 DarthPunk wrote: Assuming I’m town who do you think are mafia and town in this game TTT
This is me hoping you are town ttt btw.
I’m not going to push you for this whole night.
I hope I can see something redeeming in how you approach the game with that space.
sorry missed this
I'm glad you're giving me space to breathe, thanks because I need it. But you know that this stuff was a read and not just me trying to OMGUS you right? As in, you extending olive branches after me calling you out for it, does not change the value of the read at the time. I have multiple good reasons to believe you were in confirmation mode when you have been the most hesitant player the last two games. A town DP gets stunlocked by the possibilities because he genuinely doesn't want to lynch town. What you did was discard reality (not just possibilities) in service to the lynch you thought was possible when DMB and Vivax presented you the opportunity. Your explanations were also weak. No take backsies.
I'm gonna leave you alone for a while too though I will be filtering you at some point (among others who I'm behind on).
It looks like OMGUS to me though.
And I am operating in good faith, you may not feel like it right now, but when I flip or the game ends you will know.
Can't wait for the three person ttt DP and me endgame.
On August 28 2023 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: So DP tried to make people switch votes by first alienating TTT then asking him to switch with DP. Good times.
For me, vote swapping at the end is only secondarily about changing the lynch.
I have a whole theory behind it if you are interested I’ll post it later when I have a pc
On August 28 2023 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk whats the point of even trying to make a case aussies are gonna come and say youre lyncing a lurker anyways.
On August 28 2023 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk whats the point of even trying to make a case aussies are gonna come and say youre lyncing a lurker anyways.
Did anyone say this??
Both you and TTT basically did. One of you is scum and other one dumb. That's it.
can you quote where I said this?
It may be the case but I can’t remember it at all.
I understand you are upset about the lynch not going your way but it gets really old being called bad and/ or mafia by you when that happens every time.
Particularly when you have a track record the previous two games of of being tragically wrong when you do it.
So yeah, as I said in the last game.
I’m not trying to antagonise you. I’m going to be nice.but I’m also going to push back against that shit.
On August 28 2023 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk whats the point of even trying to make a case aussies are gonna come and say youre lyncing a lurker anyways.
Did anyone say this??
Both you and TTT basically did. One of you is scum and other one dumb. That's it.
On August 28 2023 10:04 DarthPunk wrote: Here is my problem with the Chez lynch, it is too easy.
1.)There is very little push back, in fact I am the only push back. And I know I am town, so it seems to me that mafia, whoever they are, are content with the direction of the wagons.
2.) there is very little town cred to be gained from lynching chez, so it doesn't even make sense as a bus.
Not every mafia might want to alter their sleep schedule because of the lynch.
It‘s an international game
Yeah but the only mafia not on the wagon would be Koshi in my estimation, and he was also not against a Chez lynch.
So unless you think marv and rayn are scum.
Where are the mafia?
your acting like you know chez is going to flip green
This is what bothers me about DP. When i read i also noticed Chez is gonna flip green at some point. You should try to lynch anyone you can other than Chez at that point. Like anyone, but yourself.
Call bullshit or hindsight on me, but it's what bothers me about DP the most. Did he really try if he was so sure Chezinu is not red?
Before you go down this rabbit hole in short: I knew I needed baby and vivax, once the math lynch went nowhere. This is why I was pushing ttt so hard baby is not going to swap (note I tried to get her to consolidate)
But there was no traction at all and the wagon math didn’t work.
I also didn’t mind a chez lynch for the reasons stated prior to the flip even when he is town.
Finally I want to find information from flast minute switching because mafia are less quick to be able to respond in a way that allows a consistebt narrative this is why I push vote swaps all the time as town (as you well know)
I will address more later but I see you forming a tunnel that’s not going to be productive.
On August 28 2023 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm not forming a tunnel. 1) Why didnt you then just try to convince other people like vivax and mebaby on either mathen or TTT? 2) Why did you not mind lynching a townie? It's not like Chezinu as town is stupid and will make bad choices always.
I tried to lynch either ttt or math, I was trying to do that by applying pressure in the thread.
You know the answer to that, I stated the reasons earlier. Do you really need me to repeat myself.
By the way I was clearly the only person really trying to find another lynch at the time. So I’m not sure why I need to pay for the sin of lynching chezinu.
On August 28 2023 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk whats the point of even trying to make a case aussies are gonna come and say youre lyncing a lurker anyways.
Did anyone say this??
Both you and TTT basically did. One of you is scum and other one dumb. That's it.
Yeah I never said this.
I call bullshit.
Rayn address this please, as I am about to spend a lot of time addressing you, it's the least you can do in return.
On August 28 2023 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Im not upset about the lynch not going my way. I dont mind if you dont see the same way as i do since we hardly ever do at least early in the game.
Im upset about the fact you did this:
You posted a catch up post where you almost completely discard the only real case there is in the game. You only mention one marv's post offhand somewhere there when me/marv/iamp/Koshi talked about it in lengths. Like literally everything else there is is like "this is just different from game X"...
I didn't disregard it, I thought it was a good pickup, you also need to remember though, I am making a conclusion based on all the posts after that post by VE which is where I thought: 1.) he could actually hold those contradictory positions and not be mafia. 2.) his appeal to emotion/being bad whatever felt genuine and not what I would expect him to do as mafia, Like in endures 1 that guy was crazy trolling fake claiming etc, he genuinely loves playing as scum, didn't read anything but defeat from a town that feels dead and buried.
I don't think the confidence you had in it was warranted however, it was not a slam dunk read ever in my opinion.
On August 28 2023 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Instead you call TTT scum but then you actually decide on voting mathenalin instead. Okay. After that you start convincing TTT that TTT is scum when you should instead be trying to get people to lynch mafia if and as you dont want to lynch either Chezinu or VE.
The people around aside from TTT and you are Chezinu, Jacob, Vivax and mebaby. VE (if back) and Chezinu are going to vote for anything that is not going to be themselves. Now this bothers me;
If you really want to change the lynch from Chezinu to someone that's not VE, you are supposed to convince Vivax, because that will also most likely convince mebaby as she thinks Vivax is town already. But rather than doing that, you make some off-hand questions like "would anyone wanna change?", and continue arguing why TTT is not town... After that you even ask if TTT would switch with you lol.
Which begs the question, did you really want to change the lynch away from Chezinu?
I thought Math and TTT were better lynches and both were likely to flip scum.
I wanted to lynch chezinu over VE.
I tried to push TTT when I saw that DMB was on him and would not swap, but there was no traction, it was never going to happen, particularly with Perfection a very vocal proponent of the Chez lynch,
And i thought lynching chez would at least, clear the thread of the tunnelling, the memeing, AI etc a bit so was healthy for the game even if he was town.
But yeah, I think this is all clear when you read the events. Not sure why it's not clear to you TBH.
On August 28 2023 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk whats the point of even trying to make a case aussies are gonna come and say youre lyncing a lurker anyways.
Did anyone say this??
Both you and TTT basically did. One of you is scum and other one dumb. That's it.
On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote: Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.
Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.
I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.
I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.
What you think of mathenalin?
im guessing you just agree with this because you dont disagree with it when your top scumread says it.
WTF is this logic?
I agree with my top scumread by default?!?
That is fucking nonsense rayn.
I was trying to push a wagon on Math at that time,
On August 28 2023 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk DP, you didnt even try to get people on TTT your top scumread while mebaby was voting there and Vivax already said the post where she voted was tip top tier. Did you really want to lynch not-chezinu?
On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote: Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.
Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.
I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.
I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.
this is so horrible... so very horrible.
Yes it is.
TTT usually has a scumhunting agenda not just 'meh' these are my lynches and im good even though they suck, there is a lack of investment in the outcome.
On August 27 2023 05:25 Koshi wrote: Dp/rayn/marv scumteam
##Vote DP
Why you voting DP? Also isn't it a little to early to form a scumteam?
Because it makes me happy. Maybe yes, mayne no.
So no reason other than to make yourself happy?
Secret reasons that arzn't good enough to write down lol. You want to talk iamp meta?
He hasn't made a lot posts so far but maybe slight differences from last game?
+1 Together we are 2
I made zero posts at this point (aside from a post saying I wasn't posting)
How are there slight differences from last game Koshi?
The difference is stark
Explained
and verifiable
the only thing that smells bad is trying to imply it's more than it is.
I still have issues with this. It clearly was about iamp. And he makes it about him. Shows he is not reading carefully. But anyway.
this is very smart koshi. not necessarily right but still very smart town koshi.
another one is the read on mebaby. he doesnt need to make that read, it's flimsy at best, but it's probably what he thinks like 95% sure of it, especially because i thought exactly the same.
vote switch to VE like that is not scummy, ask marv.
Disagree, this is focusing on someone misreading a post that is ambiguous and then drawing a large conclusion about their alignment from it.
Seems more scum than town because it doesn't try to get at the root of my alignment, just 'oops I think you made a mistake, now i tunnel you for it'
If we called everyone who misread posts mafia it would be the whole thread except probably marv.
On August 28 2023 10:04 DarthPunk wrote: Here is my problem with the Chez lynch, it is too easy.
1.)There is very little push back, in fact I am the only push back. And I know I am town, so it seems to me that mafia, whoever they are, are content with the direction of the wagons.
2.) there is very little town cred to be gained from lynching chez, so it doesn't even make sense as a bus.
Not every mafia might want to alter their sleep schedule because of the lynch.
It‘s an international game
Yeah but the only mafia not on the wagon would be Koshi in my estimation, and he was also not against a Chez lynch.
So unless you think marv and rayn are scum.
Where are the mafia?
your acting like you know chez is going to flip green
This is what bothers me about DP. When i read i also noticed Chez is gonna flip green at some point. You should try to lynch anyone you can other than Chez at that point. Like anyone, but yourself.
Call bullshit or hindsight on me, but it's what bothers me about DP the most. Did he really try if he was so sure Chezinu is not red?
I really tried, but it was not possible, there was not enough people to swap, part of the problem was that DMB and Vivax would only lynch TTT and then TTT would not lynch himself.
So we could get 4 with me chez, vivax and dmb vs 6 on chez.
On August 28 2023 03:39 iamperfection wrote: ve is being very nice and it disturbs me
It’s not the niceness that disturbs me. His vote is on someone who is suspicious of the other person he’s suspicious of, based on a rule he’s warning his vote target that people take seriously (although he doesn’t but also does) except no one else is taking it seriously.
On August 28 2023 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like the Mathenalis shit looks even worse in contrast to this:
On August 26 2023 21:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Look at how Chezinu squirms once the AI figured him out so hard. As if to say "Hey guys this game I'm going to be extra unpredictable so definitely don't ask if I'm mafia!!!"
I'm fucking watching you Chez. You always think it but it's explicitly stated this game. Your filter has its own window. O > O <
On August 26 2023 21:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Like pregame he was all playing with the AI and now he mentions it in passing and then OH LOOK AT THIS PRETTY PICTURE!!!!
O > O <
On August 26 2023 21:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Hmmmmmm.....that might not wash, right? Because like........acting extra would make the AI MORE likely to think he's mafia if we were to ask.
Whatever. He won't be able to hide for long if he's mafia. Because I'm watching. ALWAYS WATCHING.
On August 28 2023 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like the Mathenalis shit looks even worse in contrast to this:
On August 26 2023 21:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Look at how Chezinu squirms once the AI figured him out so hard. As if to say "Hey guys this game I'm going to be extra unpredictable so definitely don't ask if I'm mafia!!!"
I'm fucking watching you Chez. You always think it but it's explicitly stated this game. Your filter has its own window. O > O <
On August 26 2023 21:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Like pregame he was all playing with the AI and now he mentions it in passing and then OH LOOK AT THIS PRETTY PICTURE!!!!
O > O <
On August 26 2023 21:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Hmmmmmm.....that might not wash, right? Because like........acting extra would make the AI MORE likely to think he's mafia if we were to ask.
Whatever. He won't be able to hide for long if he's mafia. Because I'm watching. ALWAYS WATCHING.
That’s the point
I mean i know he said he is suspicious of Chezinu in the post where he voted for mathenalin, but i didn't even remember reading those posts at the start of the game.
There should be no reason pretty much why Chezinu should be even remotely off his "watching hook".
On August 28 2023 02:33 iamperfection wrote: the first person to accuse chez is scum or something to that effect.
Indeed, I hate to be lazy like that but I also filtered him and if you look there is very little in the way of accusation toward anyone but Chez, it feels good to me.
Why would you need to find more than one mafia D1? I havent accused many players either. Probably less than him at that time. Am i mafia too?
Also come on VE.
It's still shitty as hell to say he's scum because he doesn't have any suspicion towards other players except the only player you have suspicions on aside of him...
On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote: Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.
Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.
I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.
I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.
ve basically basically told the town to go fuck themselves so don't see why anyone can say that's not a good lynch.
Like idk how you just brush all this off like it's nothing. It's a really good case for someone to be mafia even if it was not D1....
TTT is even worse for saying we're lynchg for LAL...
He didn't seem mafia to me after he came into the thread and called himself bad, I also think Math is scum, he also thought math was scum.
That made me not want to lynch him.
The legit post by post account of my catchup was posted dude.
On August 28 2023 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: "His vote is on someone who is suspicious of the other person he’s suspicious of, based on a rule he’s warning his vote target that people take seriously (although he doesn’t but also does) except no one else is taking it seriously."
Yeah I understand this, its not as clear cut as you make it out to be in my opinion.
On August 28 2023 10:04 DarthPunk wrote: Here is my problem with the Chez lynch, it is too easy.
1.)There is very little push back, in fact I am the only push back. And I know I am town, so it seems to me that mafia, whoever they are, are content with the direction of the wagons.
2.) there is very little town cred to be gained from lynching chez, so it doesn't even make sense as a bus.
1) even if chezinu was mafia, if VE is mafia, why change the direction at that point? 2) why? lynching mafia D1 is always town cred.
On August 27 2023 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn think Vivax was trolling too much last game, and definitely didnt "just" post nonsensical stuff.
he avoided having conversation with his teammates as well. For me it's to early to see him as red
Vivax has had a comverdation basically with iamperfection and DP this game. If he is not mafia with these people fie, but how can you use that "not hving conversations with his scum partners" as a basis of a read(?), whe he hasnt basically talked with 10 otherppl?
It’s indeed a very strange post. There’s reasons for him to be either alignment, but that isn’t one of them
Isn't she clearly talking about last game?
She is saying,
1.) last game he also avoided speaking with his team mates. in addition to trolling etc.
and
2.) Its too early to see him as red.
So she isn't using it as a basis for a read.
bad
Also I don't think being open to different perspectives on posts that are written by people not speaking their native language is bad, I think it is kind, and inclusive.
You do realize you have called me bad and mafia every game that we have played this year, right?
and in exactly zero of these games have I been bad or mafia.
On August 28 2023 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: So DP tried to make people switch votes by first alienating TTT then asking him to switch with DP. Good times.
For me, vote swapping at the end is only secondarily about changing the lynch.
I have a whole theory behind it if you are interested I’ll post it later when I have a pc
Yes, I’d like to see this DP
One of (rather, the only) the problems with Grack hosting is I always miss the important hours before deadline… sad times
Basically, I think most scum players have a really tough time adapting to rapidly changing dynamics, particularly around lynches. They have to coordinate, their plans are all mixed up, they have to consider how they will maintain a consistent narrative on their vote etc. etc.
Scum often are reluctant to vote and unvote without saying stuff, or providing a reason which can cause them to state things that are just too far out of other peoples lens on the game.
It spews a massive amount of information into the thread and forces people to take positions.
Basically all this stuff really helps solve the game for town.
Also it puts people on edge so that often, if someone looks really townie suddenly, there is the ability to switch off.
Now look, if there is a slam dunk case (such as the one on you in endures 1 ) i don;t do it, tend not to later in the game, but at the start absolutely.
On August 28 2023 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chezinu was, tbh, so townie in the end.
Yeah there was sincerity. I also feel VE’s posts were sincere even though they were useless. It doesn’t look like maf-VE defending himself tbh. Almost /because/ the posts were useless. That dumb fist bump post… I think that’s great play if he is indeed mafia… to drop that basically in total isolation? Was I lynching him for being bad after all? Completely different defence on him this time (I’m bad) vs last time (I’m just so right about vivax guys!!!)
On August 28 2023 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: You're clearly talking to me like i am town, don't even try to deny it.
Have I had a day. I'll get on PC in a bit and do proper diving but dp is playing like he knows too much ngl.
I've had a consistent vibe read that he's mafia the whole game even though he is activity high and posting and doing trad town stuff which is useful. I'll have to actually do a proper read though and find out but long story short I'm back in the thread
If you are town, I am loving the Ego boost when I flip VT bro hahahaha.
Yes, I am good at the game, i knew Chez was town, must be TMI lol.
On August 28 2023 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: "His vote is on someone who is suspicious of the other person he’s suspicious of, based on a rule he’s warning his vote target that people take seriously (although he doesn’t but also does) except no one else is taking it seriously."
Yeah I understand this, its not as clear cut as you make it out to be in my opinion.
This is my quote btw. Somewhere somehow the quotes got mixed up
On August 27 2023 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn think Vivax was trolling too much last game, and definitely didnt "just" post nonsensical stuff.
he avoided having conversation with his teammates as well. For me it's to early to see him as red
Vivax has had a comverdation basically with iamperfection and DP this game. If he is not mafia with these people fie, but how can you use that "not hving conversations with his scum partners" as a basis of a read(?), whe he hasnt basically talked with 10 otherppl?
It’s indeed a very strange post. There’s reasons for him to be either alignment, but that isn’t one of them
Isn't she clearly talking about last game?
She is saying,
1.) last game he also avoided speaking with his team mates. in addition to trolling etc.
and
2.) Its too early to see him as red.
So she isn't using it as a basis for a read.
bad
Also I don't think being open to different perspectives on posts that are written by people not speaking their native language is bad, I think it is kind, and inclusive.
You do realize you have called me bad and mafia every game that we have played this year, right?
and in exactly zero of these games have I been bad or mafia.
Something to reflect on.
and this matters how? i am not allowed to call you mafia because i was bad before?
On August 28 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: i have to sleep before work. VE/LS/TTT/DP.
For now i think it doesnt get harder than that.
Look for what it's worth these are all very nebulous I agree. VE has like no reads at all in the entire day one. Looking forward to some tonight hopefully given he's got the day to save himself after not being lynched.
You just said I was town, now you agree with a scum team I am in.
On August 28 2023 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chezinu was, tbh, so townie in the end.
Yeah there was sincerity.
I also feel VE’s posts were sincere even though they were useless. It doesn’t look like maf-VE defending himself tbh. Almost /because/ the posts were useless. That dumb fist bump post… I think that’s great play if he is indeed mafia… to drop that basically in total isolation? Was I lynching him for being bad after all? Completely different defence on him this time (I’m bad) vs last time (I’m just so right about vivax guys!!!)
No. (i get to do this now)
fucking disagree on every level.
We can argue about this tomorrow (possibly)
i dont believe it. he is too god for it. its like he would have to be very bad to even make any posts he did as town, and he still made those, it's just scum written all over the place, i dont care if it is like "oh would he do this as mafia as it is stupid", it is more like would he do this as town, and no. It's so fucking stupid no.
Rayn, you tend to get caught up on this stuff, like the technical points or mistakes that people should never make, but people are flawed, everyone makes mistakes or is bad sometimes, that doesn't mean they are objectively bad or mafia every time that happens.
Yes, sometimes it is meaningful, but you need to determine the meaning behind it. In this case, I tend to believe he just held both thoughts without considering that they need to be consistent, something I actually think comes from town, as they don't care about being consistent as much. They just want to solve the game.
On August 28 2023 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chezinu was, tbh, so townie in the end.
Yeah there was sincerity.
I also feel VE’s posts were sincere even though they were useless. It doesn’t look like maf-VE defending himself tbh. Almost /because/ the posts were useless. That dumb fist bump post… I think that’s great play if he is indeed mafia… to drop that basically in total isolation? Was I lynching him for being bad after all? Completely different defence on him this time (I’m bad) vs last time (I’m just so right about vivax guys!!!)
No. (i get to do this now)
fucking disagree on every level.
We can argue about this tomorrow (possibly)
i dont believe it. he is too god for it. its like he would have to be very bad to even make any posts he did as town, and he still made those, it's just scum written all over the place, i dont care if it is like "oh would he do this as mafia as it is stupid", it is more like would he do this as town, and no. It's so fucking stupid no.
Rayn, you tend to get caught up on this stuff, like the technical points or mistakes that people should never make, but people are flawed, everyone makes mistakes or is bad sometimes, that doesn't mean they are objectively bad or mafia every time that happens.
Yes, sometimes it is meaningful, but you need to determine the meaning behind it. In this case, I tend to believe he just held both thoughts without considering that they need to be consistent, something I actually think comes from town, as they don't care about being consistent as much. They just want to solve the game.
This is probably why we tend to be at odds a lot of the time, you assign a lot of meaning to things I just don't.
And I assign a lot of meaning to things you don't.
At the end of the day both methods of thinking and playing the game have merit.
On August 28 2023 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chezinu was, tbh, so townie in the end.
Yeah there was sincerity.
I also feel VE’s posts were sincere even though they were useless. It doesn’t look like maf-VE defending himself tbh. Almost /because/ the posts were useless. That dumb fist bump post… I think that’s great play if he is indeed mafia… to drop that basically in total isolation? Was I lynching him for being bad after all? Completely different defence on him this time (I’m bad) vs last time (I’m just so right about vivax guys!!!)
No. (i get to do this now)
fucking disagree on every level.
We can argue about this tomorrow (possibly)
i dont believe it. he is too god for it. its like he would have to be very bad to even make any posts he did as town, and he still made those, it's just scum written all over the place, i dont care if it is like "oh would he do this as mafia as it is stupid", it is more like would he do this as town, and no. It's so fucking stupid no.
Rayn, you tend to get caught up on this stuff, like the technical points or mistakes that people should never make, but people are flawed, everyone makes mistakes or is bad sometimes, that doesn't mean they are objectively bad or mafia every time that happens.
Yes, sometimes it is meaningful, but you need to determine the meaning behind it. In this case, I tend to believe he just held both thoughts without considering that they need to be consistent, something I actually think comes from town, as they don't care about being consistent as much. They just want to solve the game.
Although I have defended VE, I don’t agree with this defence. I think consistent thoughts come more naturally from town, because, well, it’s natural. It’s not normal to hold contradictory thoughts (certainly without explicitly realising them) as town, because it doesn’t make sense of the game.
You don't think you can consider two people as scum who are calling each other scum and have that be consistent?
On August 28 2023 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chezinu was, tbh, so townie in the end.
Yeah there was sincerity.
I also feel VE’s posts were sincere even though they were useless. It doesn’t look like maf-VE defending himself tbh. Almost /because/ the posts were useless. That dumb fist bump post… I think that’s great play if he is indeed mafia… to drop that basically in total isolation? Was I lynching him for being bad after all? Completely different defence on him this time (I’m bad) vs last time (I’m just so right about vivax guys!!!)
No. (i get to do this now)
fucking disagree on every level.
We can argue about this tomorrow (possibly)
i dont believe it. he is too god for it. its like he would have to be very bad to even make any posts he did as town, and he still made those, it's just scum written all over the place, i dont care if it is like "oh would he do this as mafia as it is stupid", it is more like would he do this as town, and no. It's so fucking stupid no.
Rayn, you tend to get caught up on this stuff, like the technical points or mistakes that people should never make, but people are flawed, everyone makes mistakes or is bad sometimes, that doesn't mean they are objectively bad or mafia every time that happens.
Yes, sometimes it is meaningful, but you need to determine the meaning behind it. In this case, I tend to believe he just held both thoughts without considering that they need to be consistent, something I actually think comes from town, as they don't care about being consistent as much. They just want to solve the game.
Although I have defended VE, I don’t agree with this defence. I think consistent thoughts come more naturally from town, because, well, it’s natural. It’s not normal to hold contradictory thoughts (certainly without explicitly realising them) as town, because it doesn’t make sense of the game.
You don't think you can consider two people as scum who are calling each other scum and have that be consistent?
Rayn is doing it right now with me and TTT.
Actually now that I think about it more, it still makes no fucking sense what VE said. I can see why rayn is so wild about it.
On August 25 2023 22:02 mathenalin wrote: This may be too early for a read but I don't see a world where both mafia marv and mafia rayn read VE as town early on and then sort of celebrate over it. (although mostly rayn congratulating marv). I suppose it's possible that rayn just said "you know who you SHOULD town read" and then agreed with whatever marv says but feels unlikely. Both strong players so I think if there is a mafia in there it is only one and then its either two strong town players reading VE as town, which makes it more likely he is town. Or there is one mafia in the two of them and they are reading VE as town with the knowledge that he is. Summary then that VE is likely town. then rayn or marv both town or max one mafia.
On August 25 2023 22:12 iamperfection wrote: how are you giving marv a town read do you respect his game that little.
I spent the last two games, deep in his filter, lynching town marv and catching scum marv.
So in terms of his recent play, what i explained to koshi stood out to me.
I didn't play in those games so I don't know exactly how it went, but what concerns me with this is that you have a large amount of data/experience from the past two games and now you are extrapolating a read based on a very small sample size in this game which, to me, doesn't seem to lean either way, at least not from an attitude perspective. I now have to decide if you sort of see yourself as the "marv whisperer" trying to make an early god read. Or are you trying to pocket marv which is more suspicious.
On August 26 2023 02:09 mathenalin wrote: I also have an evening of drinking and board games but I hope to post sporadically later on.
If I had to share a list of town/wouldn't lynch with some surface level reasons VE - town for reasons earlier.
Rayn - I've agreed with a lot of his posts, I think the line of questioning on LS was reasonable.
Marv - He's a strong player he's given some good tempered responses that give a new perspective. his defence of LS and myself from Darth was good in a situation where he could have ignored it or added pressure. He has also been given some soft town reads from other players.
Koshi - Defended LS when he didn't have to, i feel like he's been more active than most.
Darth - This is tricky as I don't want to be like "you called me scummy so fuck you"... Maybe that's why he attacked me after I spoke out on his weak marv points. I feel like his push on LS came after other people had already questioned LS but it seems to be for different reasons so. Maybe it feels like going for low hanging fruit with the new guy and then LS who made a weak entry....I'm rambling here. Either way I can't tell if Darth is scummy or just having a slightly different town game to me. being a very active but maybe less logical. He is driving things forward and giving thoughts and information out so I wouldn't want to lynch him today.
There is a lack of activity from several players, I haven't evaluated people with less than a page of filter. I didn't like Vivax or the LS entry. LS might be a good lynch as with the game split it would give some potential information.
These posts last game really stood out to me in regard to Math's alignment. They were agentic, they showed him attempting to solve the game and to be aggressive in doing so, particularly he shared without being prometed which showed proactivity.
That is something that was really lacking at the start of this game, at some point I had to ask him for his reads because I had no idea about them
That was the first red flag.
HIs filter start of day one was a lot of meaingless one liners and the chez vote which i felt was way too easy compared to targets like me on day one.
and his posts lacked the bite and curiosity of the previous game, resulting in saying Icky, to a post that vivax had already pointed out was scummy previously.
On August 27 2023 13:07 TankTopTiger wrote: I asked DMB.
I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on.
Icky
If you are around, would be interested to see where your thoughts are at this point.
Yeh im around.
I need to go over a few bits again but some highlights to me.
Your push on vivax was the most memorable. I haven't decided if vivax was "caught out" or just being obtuse and confrontational with you , there's a lot of headspace talk that i dont understand. I do like that you are back in the thread and pushing , game has felt directionless
I read ttt's explanation of his only friend comment. Its a pretty obvious "play". does mafia make plays though, he certainly seems different to last game.
There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble.
Last game marv and rayn were both town and it felt we made good progress. This game rayn has activity issues which I get but i havent felt the same drive or well thought out comments from either. Something to keep an eye on.
LS has been pretty AFK again with a weirdly reasoned read. Apparently that is normal LS according to marv. But i havent seen emotional involvement and he only responds when his name gets pinged so i don't like him.
It seems like i need to form an opinion on iamp and jacob if i want to get a feel for some other players. Prioritising that next unless you have other questions
This is why I asked him for reads, I was not happy with how his play was developing this game
but his reads seem forced, it's like he can't say 'i don't know' or something, too much summarizing of what happened in the thread without adding analysis or a real conclusion to it.
On August 27 2023 13:07 TankTopTiger wrote: I asked DMB.
I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on.
Icky
If you are around, would be interested to see where your thoughts are at this point.
Yeh im around.
I need to go over a few bits again but some highlights to me.
Your push on vivax was the most memorable. I haven't decided if vivax was "caught out" or just being obtuse and confrontational with you , there's a lot of headspace talk that i dont understand. I do like that you are back in the thread and pushing , game has felt directionless
I read ttt's explanation of his only friend comment. Its a pretty obvious "play". does mafia make plays though, he certainly seems different to last game.
There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble.
Last game marv and rayn were both town and it felt we made good progress. This game rayn has activity issues which I get but i havent felt the same drive or well thought out comments from either. Something to keep an eye on.
LS has been pretty AFK again with a weirdly reasoned read. Apparently that is normal LS according to marv. But i havent seen emotional involvement and he only responds when his name gets pinged so i don't like him.
It seems like i need to form an opinion on iamp and jacob if i want to get a feel for some other players. Prioritising that next unless you have other questions
If you had to lynch someone that is not Chezinu right now who would it be?
Any thoughts on Koshi?
Thanks for the post :D
No thoughts on Koshi but i haven't really tried, same with VE i suppose.
LS would be my next lynch choice
What does he mean hasn't really tried to form thoughts on Koshi and VE?
do you not just 'have' thoughts or not? most townies are in a constant state of trying to find out WTF is going on, thoughts are constant, not something that you need to labor over it seems like he is generating reads, rather than forming reads naturally.
On August 27 2023 18:14 mathenalin wrote: Koshi is a quick read. He made a scum team and vote on you for the lulz (or some deeper read i dunno) Then you got the wrong end of the stick where he was talkng about iamp and you thought it was about you. Koshi thinks its different? But then also wonders if hes trying too hard to be different. I guess he's null
I dont have a read on iamp so I'm waiting to hear what other players pitch in with
Same again, summary on Koshi.
But how the hell does he not have a read on Imperfection? He was one of the biggest presences in the thread day 1.
On August 27 2023 13:07 TankTopTiger wrote: I asked DMB.
I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on.
Icky
If you are around, would be interested to see where your thoughts are at this point.
There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble.
Then he says that chez is crumbling.
On August 28 2023 02:44 mathenalin wrote: From my perspective i sort of knew chezinu and alakazam play weirdly. Chezinu was tracker last game and if he had come out on d2 or d3 and given some weird cryptic info...would i have believed him or given a fuck. Probably not. Point being i think his playstyle last game and this game is actively anti town. So this game i want to see what he does and so far his response to pressure has been non existent except to call the person who accuses him, mafia. Its been low energy and weak. So if someone asked me "whats your mafia read on him" for me i wanted to push him to see what flex he shows and because I don't think he should be able to get away with posting riddles and not engaging with other players.
Later you would think that he would have a progression on the read, still be calling Chez mafia, but he actually backtracks when VE pushes him and says that its a policy or health of the town lynch.
On August 28 2023 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: mathenalin, around 10 hours ago you said you were prioritizing getting a read on iamp and Jacob. I see you formed a read on iamp but there is no mention in your filter about Jacob (even after you talked with DP about your reads -- so it doesn't fall under "if anyone has questions for me" anymore i guess).
Did you ever form a read on Jacob?
I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour.
His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly.
His vote on marv being anything other than a joke.
Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.
I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case.
Are you calling him mafia or bad
I don't know tbh.
Again generating a read, doesn't know what it means, being disconnected from your reads is not a town trait. I don't care if he named it up and acted like it wasn't sus. I can't see thoughts and ideas from him, and I could in the first game.
On August 28 2023 03:27 mathenalin wrote: Am i a snowflake if i vote VE or is his vote on me so unbelievably bad that its warranted
Asking the thread for permission to vote VE. Townies just fucking vote dude, they don't need to gauge the temperature of the room first. It's just too self-aware for someone who was unapologetic in their pushes in the previous iteration of the game.
On August 28 2023 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: mathenalin, around 10 hours ago you said you were prioritizing getting a read on iamp and Jacob. I see you formed a read on iamp but there is no mention in your filter about Jacob (even after you talked with DP about your reads -- so it doesn't fall under "if anyone has questions for me" anymore i guess).
Did you ever form a read on Jacob?
I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour.
His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly.
His vote on marv being anything other than a joke.
Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.
I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case.
I find it quite weird you treat this as anti-town behavior for some reasons: 1) Every vote particularly during D1 is "pressure", since noone has a good clue who is mafia (especially seems to be true this game since nobody really seems to have a even remotely good case they trust. 2) You said yourself, before voting for Chezinu, at twice, that pressure on Chezinu is good and should be kept up.
Why did you say that while simultaneously claiming if you announce pressure it loses power over the target?
Well i tried to pretend I had a reason
Marv you say you like this, I still hate it for the simple fact that only mafia pretend to have reasons to read people a particulary way, for town it is natural, it is a result of your state of being "town".
I actually don;t understand what is to like about this.
On August 28 2023 04:58 mathenalin wrote: I think VE is a good choice. Hes been lacklustre and his weird vote on me and chez rules reasoning is super terrible. Glad others have confirmed my feeling. Vote: VisceraEyes
Hate this, again, over explained, trying to find validity as being part of the group.
Whatever. Too much sheeping, almost zero actual content, this is from a player who actually challenged things in half a cycle previously
He is the prime example of old school, fly under the radar, but not too much, post, but say nothing, mafia.
On August 28 2023 22:11 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmm maybe if I sort of summarise the game from memory in a story form I’ll be able to see patterns from my subconscious.
IamPerfection saunters into the thread, “I’m not depressed bois” It’s time to fuck town and be mafia and I’m all out of mafia.
Cheezu sprouts from behind the couch, “I’ve been a bad boy Daddy spank me”
“I’ll spank you later at the end of the day don’t you worry, I’ll tunnel your ass so hard you’ll see daylight out of it”
JSL Pops up “Are we talking Tunneling?” Precedes to seduce Marv before abandoning that endeavour and deciding that Cheezu really was a bad boy.
*Three-way with IamPerfection and JSL starts, Cheezu gets fucked in the middle.
LS comes in and offers JSL snacks dressed in a bathrobe, Math also comes in and uses the bar. Ve sits in the spa naked but does nothing of note.
JSL proceeds to give Math a blow job and Math asks him to say mafia three times fast. All of a sudden. Vixax arrives.
“Did you say MARIA? Screams Vivax! Are you cheating on us with *shocked gasp* GIRLS?”
IAMP slaps Vivax once and says get a hold of yourself. DP comes in and says girls are cool for half an hour wtf is wrong with you we can be bisexual occasionally.
Marvelosity enters the room, his mane is glorious. Everyone appreciates it for a second and then goes to kick VE out of the spa for hogging it.
TTT stumbles out from under the couch bitch slaps DP and DP bitch slaps him back.
The orgy continues as everyone piles on Cheezu. While DP says we should all fuck TTT instead.
Eventually the colossal amount of sex is too much for Cheezu and he’s carted out.
D1 ends.
Hmmm…. This is how I remember the day mostly. Koshi and LS don’t really come up too much in my memory and Die baby kinda rang the doorbell once to deliver pizza but we forgot to answer and didn’t end up getting much out of it.
On August 25 2023 22:02 mathenalin wrote: This may be too early for a read but I don't see a world where both mafia marv and mafia rayn read VE as town early on and then sort of celebrate over it. (although mostly rayn congratulating marv). I suppose it's possible that rayn just said "you know who you SHOULD town read" and then agreed with whatever marv says but feels unlikely. Both strong players so I think if there is a mafia in there it is only one and then its either two strong town players reading VE as town, which makes it more likely he is town. Or there is one mafia in the two of them and they are reading VE as town with the knowledge that he is. Summary then that VE is likely town. then rayn or marv both town or max one mafia.
On August 25 2023 22:12 iamperfection wrote: how are you giving marv a town read do you respect his game that little.
I spent the last two games, deep in his filter, lynching town marv and catching scum marv.
So in terms of his recent play, what i explained to koshi stood out to me.
I didn't play in those games so I don't know exactly how it went, but what concerns me with this is that you have a large amount of data/experience from the past two games and now you are extrapolating a read based on a very small sample size in this game which, to me, doesn't seem to lean either way, at least not from an attitude perspective. I now have to decide if you sort of see yourself as the "marv whisperer" trying to make an early god read. Or are you trying to pocket marv which is more suspicious.
On August 26 2023 02:09 mathenalin wrote: I also have an evening of drinking and board games but I hope to post sporadically later on.
If I had to share a list of town/wouldn't lynch with some surface level reasons VE - town for reasons earlier.
Rayn - I've agreed with a lot of his posts, I think the line of questioning on LS was reasonable.
Marv - He's a strong player he's given some good tempered responses that give a new perspective. his defence of LS and myself from Darth was good in a situation where he could have ignored it or added pressure. He has also been given some soft town reads from other players.
Koshi - Defended LS when he didn't have to, i feel like he's been more active than most.
Darth - This is tricky as I don't want to be like "you called me scummy so fuck you"... Maybe that's why he attacked me after I spoke out on his weak marv points. I feel like his push on LS came after other people had already questioned LS but it seems to be for different reasons so. Maybe it feels like going for low hanging fruit with the new guy and then LS who made a weak entry....I'm rambling here. Either way I can't tell if Darth is scummy or just having a slightly different town game to me. being a very active but maybe less logical. He is driving things forward and giving thoughts and information out so I wouldn't want to lynch him today.
There is a lack of activity from several players, I haven't evaluated people with less than a page of filter. I didn't like Vivax or the LS entry. LS might be a good lynch as with the game split it would give some potential information.
These posts last game really stood out to me in regard to Math's alignment. They were agentic, they showed him attempting to solve the game and to be aggressive in doing so, particularly he shared without being prometed which showed proactivity.
That is something that was really lacking at the start of this game, at some point I had to ask him for his reads because I had no idea about them
That was the first red flag.
HIs filter start of day one was a lot of meaingless one liners and the chez vote which i felt was way too easy compared to targets like me on day one.
and his posts lacked the bite and curiosity of the previous game, resulting in saying Icky, to a post that vivax had already pointed out was scummy previously.
On August 27 2023 13:07 TankTopTiger wrote: I asked DMB.
I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on.
Icky
If you are around, would be interested to see where your thoughts are at this point.
Yeh im around.
I need to go over a few bits again but some highlights to me.
Your push on vivax was the most memorable. I haven't decided if vivax was "caught out" or just being obtuse and confrontational with you , there's a lot of headspace talk that i dont understand. I do like that you are back in the thread and pushing , game has felt directionless
I read ttt's explanation of his only friend comment. Its a pretty obvious "play". does mafia make plays though, he certainly seems different to last game.
There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble.
Last game marv and rayn were both town and it felt we made good progress. This game rayn has activity issues which I get but i havent felt the same drive or well thought out comments from either. Something to keep an eye on.
LS has been pretty AFK again with a weirdly reasoned read. Apparently that is normal LS according to marv. But i havent seen emotional involvement and he only responds when his name gets pinged so i don't like him.
It seems like i need to form an opinion on iamp and jacob if i want to get a feel for some other players. Prioritising that next unless you have other questions
This is why I asked him for reads, I was not happy with how his play was developing this game
but his reads seem forced, it's like he can't say 'i don't know' or something, too much summarizing of what happened in the thread without adding analysis or a real conclusion to it.
On August 27 2023 13:07 TankTopTiger wrote: I asked DMB.
I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on.
Icky
If you are around, would be interested to see where your thoughts are at this point.
Yeh im around.
I need to go over a few bits again but some highlights to me.
Your push on vivax was the most memorable. I haven't decided if vivax was "caught out" or just being obtuse and confrontational with you , there's a lot of headspace talk that i dont understand. I do like that you are back in the thread and pushing , game has felt directionless
I read ttt's explanation of his only friend comment. Its a pretty obvious "play". does mafia make plays though, he certainly seems different to last game.
There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble.
Last game marv and rayn were both town and it felt we made good progress. This game rayn has activity issues which I get but i havent felt the same drive or well thought out comments from either. Something to keep an eye on.
LS has been pretty AFK again with a weirdly reasoned read. Apparently that is normal LS according to marv. But i havent seen emotional involvement and he only responds when his name gets pinged so i don't like him.
It seems like i need to form an opinion on iamp and jacob if i want to get a feel for some other players. Prioritising that next unless you have other questions
If you had to lynch someone that is not Chezinu right now who would it be?
Any thoughts on Koshi?
Thanks for the post :D
No thoughts on Koshi but i haven't really tried, same with VE i suppose.
LS would be my next lynch choice
What does he mean hasn't really tried to form thoughts on Koshi and VE?
do you not just 'have' thoughts or not? most townies are in a constant state of trying to find out WTF is going on, thoughts are constant, not something that you need to labor over it seems like he is generating reads, rather than forming reads naturally.
On August 27 2023 18:14 mathenalin wrote: Koshi is a quick read. He made a scum team and vote on you for the lulz (or some deeper read i dunno) Then you got the wrong end of the stick where he was talkng about iamp and you thought it was about you. Koshi thinks its different? But then also wonders if hes trying too hard to be different. I guess he's null
I dont have a read on iamp so I'm waiting to hear what other players pitch in with
Same again, summary on Koshi.
But how the hell does he not have a read on Imperfection? He was one of the biggest presences in the thread day 1.
On August 27 2023 13:07 TankTopTiger wrote: I asked DMB.
I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on.
Icky
If you are around, would be interested to see where your thoughts are at this point.
There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble.
Then he says that chez is crumbling.
On August 28 2023 02:44 mathenalin wrote: From my perspective i sort of knew chezinu and alakazam play weirdly. Chezinu was tracker last game and if he had come out on d2 or d3 and given some weird cryptic info...would i have believed him or given a fuck. Probably not. Point being i think his playstyle last game and this game is actively anti town. So this game i want to see what he does and so far his response to pressure has been non existent except to call the person who accuses him, mafia. Its been low energy and weak. So if someone asked me "whats your mafia read on him" for me i wanted to push him to see what flex he shows and because I don't think he should be able to get away with posting riddles and not engaging with other players.
Later you would think that he would have a progression on the read, still be calling Chez mafia, but he actually backtracks when VE pushes him and says that its a policy or health of the town lynch.
On August 28 2023 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: mathenalin, around 10 hours ago you said you were prioritizing getting a read on iamp and Jacob. I see you formed a read on iamp but there is no mention in your filter about Jacob (even after you talked with DP about your reads -- so it doesn't fall under "if anyone has questions for me" anymore i guess).
Did you ever form a read on Jacob?
I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour.
His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly.
His vote on marv being anything other than a joke.
Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.
I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case.
Are you calling him mafia or bad
I don't know tbh.
Again generating a read, doesn't know what it means, being disconnected from your reads is not a town trait. I don't care if he named it up and acted like it wasn't sus. I can't see thoughts and ideas from him, and I could in the first game.
On August 28 2023 03:27 mathenalin wrote: Am i a snowflake if i vote VE or is his vote on me so unbelievably bad that its warranted
Asking the thread for permission to vote VE. Townies just fucking vote dude, they don't need to gauge the temperature of the room first. It's just too self-aware for someone who was unapologetic in their pushes in the previous iteration of the game.
On August 28 2023 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: mathenalin, around 10 hours ago you said you were prioritizing getting a read on iamp and Jacob. I see you formed a read on iamp but there is no mention in your filter about Jacob (even after you talked with DP about your reads -- so it doesn't fall under "if anyone has questions for me" anymore i guess).
Did you ever form a read on Jacob?
I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour.
His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly.
His vote on marv being anything other than a joke.
Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.
I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case.
I find it quite weird you treat this as anti-town behavior for some reasons: 1) Every vote particularly during D1 is "pressure", since noone has a good clue who is mafia (especially seems to be true this game since nobody really seems to have a even remotely good case they trust. 2) You said yourself, before voting for Chezinu, at twice, that pressure on Chezinu is good and should be kept up.
Why did you say that while simultaneously claiming if you announce pressure it loses power over the target?
Well i tried to pretend I had a reason
Marv you say you like this, I still hate it for the simple fact that only mafia pretend to have reasons to read people a particulary way, for town it is natural, it is a result of your state of being "town".
I actually don;t understand what is to like about this.
On August 28 2023 04:58 mathenalin wrote: I think VE is a good choice. Hes been lacklustre and his weird vote on me and chez rules reasoning is super terrible. Glad others have confirmed my feeling. Vote: VisceraEyes
Hate this, again, over explained, trying to find validity as being part of the group.
Whatever. Too much sheeping, almost zero actual content, this is from a player who actually challenged things in half a cycle previously
He is the prime example of old school, fly under the radar, but not too much, post, but say nothing, mafia.
On August 27 2023 18:45 mathenalin wrote: Im rescisningmy initial, self proclaimed dumb , town read on meatbaby. I'm not going to believe in host intervention but their filter and activity level seems the same as last game.
This doesn't make sense either.
DP what makes you think this isn't just scummy town and TTT instead the mafia?
I think they are both mafia.
But it’s different to the impression from last game.
Also resistance to any kind of lynch, if he is Vinny town why is mafia not going there (unless VE is, in fact, mafia)
On August 28 2023 23:12 iamperfection wrote: vivax if your town and think im mafia you really need to reassess your play.
Marv for the class plz am i town or mafia?
You are lucky that I am at work right now, but my analysis about you coming soon. Still I am for voting TTT first, but I will find the wagon and you are not behaving like Town
Can I get a list post dmb with your reads on everyone in the game please
On August 28 2023 23:12 iamperfection wrote: vivax if your town and think im mafia you really need to reassess your play.
Marv for the class plz am i town or mafia?
You are lucky that I am at work right now, but my analysis about you coming soon. Still I am for voting TTT first, but I will find the wagon and you are not behaving like Town
Can I get a list post dmb with your reads on everyone in the game please
On August 28 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote: You know DP, I was ready to hate your case when you started, but I didn’t.
But - I still don’t see eye to eye with you on those posts like the one we talked about before. While I very much agree on the surface level that maf might /think/ that way, it’s very rare to be so flippant about it in the thread. And there’s several posts like that. That’s the crux of the matter
What about the fact he says a lot without actually saying anything new. No analysis, no new ideas. And backtracking from chez being mafia to lynching him because it’s good for town.
On August 29 2023 05:47 JacobStrangelove wrote: The math case does look solid so far don't quite like the response looks a bit stiff.
Fuck you are up early.
Yeah I think that’s right solid, not amazing.
I also agree with the response being stiff or off. Dunno.
I’m am pretty sure he actually stated he played before though. I need to find that post, interesting that he is leaning into the new player angle a bit now.
OK list post time quickly cause im picking up my partner from the airport. So due to time constraints, can;t give full reads right now.
Town:
Vivax: Seems really town to me, but also I can see some of his mafia play in this game, maybe he is just really good as mafia, I wish endures 1 was somthing that I could reference but I just can't.
JSL: I just think the thought processes are town, the paranoia/obsession with my alignment is something I would expect from town Jake
Imperfection: I think he has played very differently from the past game, its possible he has learned from it, there are also things that I don't like from him, but on the whole town, I like playing with him it's like he distilled 2013 meta and brought it to the future.
Grey:
DMB: she would be town but the strong VE read makes no sense with her voting patterns day one
VE: needs to do stuff, I think I have a weak spot for VE that makes me not want to lynch him. Probably should be lower but meh, he is in that tier of player i just don;t want to lynch early
Marv: He is being marv, needs to find scum otherwise starts to be someone you need to consider how logical he is being. He is being very amiable this game, which I usually associate with his mafia play, but as with VE, i don't want him to be mafia and not someone I would lynch early as he will solve the game later (unlike VE lolll)
Rayn: Push on me seemed born of genuine frustration and seems really townie to me, has legit reasons for less activity, but he is good enough to fake all of that as mafia.
LS: Needs to start being engaged or this man is mafia.
Red:
TTT, gave him space to do something without being pressured, he didn't do anything. I also know that he was and is busy IRL so kind of gets a pass for that, but yeah, I think he is probably mafia for all the reasons outlined already. He is good enough to argue out of it too. Dude is probably better at arguing than me, like at the Rayn level IMO
Math: see my case, see his response that doesn't really change the facts of that read. Dudes mafia I think
Koshi: Usually is obv town, his push on me for a mistake is good, if he does other things, the fact that he hasn't is scary, usually would expect a lot of observations like that from him, but this game its just nothing. Would lynch
On August 29 2023 10:59 iamperfection wrote: I shot VE.
Both list posts from jacob and meat somewhat bother me. Meats more so i would move to grey from my list post. I don't understand the waiting to filter after promising to look real close so many times. Like why are we waiting? Also i had a tough time understanding the points being made with regards to VE as its just look its bad look for yourself.
Jacob's bothered me somewhat less just on first read.
If i die and VE flips green be on marv like white on rice in a glass of milk on a paper plate in a snowstorm. If i die and VE flips red i would say its a very good chance marv is town.
I don´t know what to think about that atm. Is it claiming a blue role while beeing Mafia. Is it blue just getting scared? The fuck is this?
On August 29 2023 13:07 mathenalin wrote: I think ls is the lynch. Still no investment, emotional or otherwise, hopped on the chez wagon.
Game hasnt been what i expected now VE has flipped town. Poor play and low activity from him. Plus someone replacing out because of headspace. Like its a text forum game not a war.
I'm being scumread by a lot of people now off of a weak case and responding to it is scummy apparently. I guess im not cut out for this game and don't understand it.
Im voting LS and outta here. Peace
# Vote LightningStrike
Do you not see the contradiction in your own post there lol ?
And like stuff is happening and you have nothing to add?
My girlfriend is back from a trip and we haven’t seen each other for a month.
Not really gonna be that active for obvious reasons. I haven’t even read the thread properly since the flips
On August 29 2023 10:59 iamperfection wrote: I shot VE.
Both list posts from jacob and meat somewhat bother me. Meats more so i would move to grey from my list post. I don't understand the waiting to filter after promising to look real close so many times. Like why are we waiting? Also i had a tough time understanding the points being made with regards to VE as its just look its bad look for yourself.
Jacob's bothered me somewhat less just on first read.
If i die and VE flips green be on marv like white on rice in a glass of milk on a paper plate in a snowstorm. If i die and VE flips red i would say its a very good chance marv is town.
So there is no way perfection ever does this as mafia in any scenario that is worth considering,
On August 29 2023 10:59 iamperfection wrote: I shot VE.
Both list posts from jacob and meat somewhat bother me. Meats more so i would move to grey from my list post. I don't understand the waiting to filter after promising to look real close so many times. Like why are we waiting? Also i had a tough time understanding the points being made with regards to VE as its just look its bad look for yourself.
Jacob's bothered me somewhat less just on first read.
If i die and VE flips green be on marv like white on rice in a glass of milk on a paper plate in a snowstorm. If i die and VE flips red i would say its a very good chance marv is town.
I don´t know what to think about that atm. Is it claiming a blue role while beeing Mafia. Is it blue just getting scared? The fuck is this?
what the fuck do you think it is
some scum shit
It's exactly what he should do if he is the Town Vig.
On August 29 2023 11:45 iamperfection wrote: same to you DP i guess since in your mind you have a soft spot because he is a tip top player.
are you implying TMI?
I think marv and myself are probably the most likely players in the game to read VE as town in that situation (although marv still voted for him with rayn and Koshi)
On August 29 2023 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote: Okay you know what bold move I know. I'm not even under attack yet but I'm going to claim Vanilla Town. Because here's the thing. It's not giving any info to mafia well maybe slightly but not enough to matter and IF this means they don't kill me next and hit a blue that's not Iamperf it'll mean IF there is another blue they'll suddely realise Iamperf is lying. If not it's still low chance of them hitting blue knowing I'm not blue if I'm perf is blue as there's likely only one left.
Also this ups my chance of surviving to day three where I thrive as town by claiming stupid early not blue it takes away options if I was a mafia which isn't something a mafia would want to do certainly not someone who "as mafia" would want to wait til late game to counter claim a blue if I was mafia.
With this though I'm suggesting other town don't claim town over blue though because at that point we would be giving mafia too much information.
DP Marv and Koshi i would like your thoughts on this.
Intial impression:
Dumb.
1st level down: Townish because he has the conspiratorial 'the mafia are after me and im gonna be NK' thing going on, completely lacking the self awareness to understand he is never getting shot and in all likilihood will be facing down a lylo with fucking LS and Math at this rate.
2nd level down: I am worried he is shit posting as mafia and getting away with it.
On August 29 2023 13:07 mathenalin wrote: I think ls is the lynch. Still no investment, emotional or otherwise, hopped on the chez wagon.
Game hasnt been what i expected now VE has flipped town. Poor play and low activity from him. Plus someone replacing out because of headspace. Like its a text forum game not a war.
I'm being scumread by a lot of people now off of a weak case and responding to it is scummy apparently. I guess im not cut out for this game and don't understand it.
On August 29 2023 12:53 iamperfection wrote: interesting that DP considered me confirmed town. He didn't even consider a mafia vig.......
marv and koshi thoughts on this plz.
People who considered a mafia vig longer than a minisecond should be lynched. That's the dumbest shit possible. And also. The problem solves itselve most likely.
On August 29 2023 12:53 iamperfection wrote: interesting that DP considered me confirmed town. He didn't even consider a mafia vig.......
marv and koshi thoughts on this plz.
People who considered a mafia vig longer than a minisecond should be lynched. That's the dumbest shit possible. And also. The problem solves itselve most likely.
So do you want to lynch meat baby for it??
She didn't think he was mafia vig.
She called him mafia after he claimed like that. I presume that with two shots she was saying he was mafia vig no?
On August 29 2023 12:53 iamperfection wrote: interesting that DP considered me confirmed town. He didn't even consider a mafia vig.......
marv and koshi thoughts on this plz.
People who considered a mafia vig longer than a minisecond should be lynched. That's the dumbest shit possible. And also. The problem solves itselve most likely.
So do you want to lynch meat baby for it??
She didn't think he was mafia vig.
She called him mafia after he claimed like that. I presume that with two shots she was saying he was mafia vig no?
No that's not what she said.
Ok well it doesn’t really matter I guess cause I think she is town for it regardless.
On August 29 2023 19:54 marvellosity wrote: Staying on the theme, regarding TTT - seems to form part of a persecution complex this game. Day 1 he complained about he unstoppable wagon/votes on him and he had 1 vote. Then the giving up post.
More likely maf or town? Could be maf not liking the relatively constant pressure and giving up to not provide reads after flip. Guess it can also be town feeling unfairly treated.
I’m not sure there’s enough either way, so it doesn’t change my read on him.
Think I probably need to reread math now as it’s an even weaker give up, but I’ve just not seen him as mafia at all till now
You are misreading that post about unstoppable wagon he meant the wagon on chez.
I really don’t understand your town read on math at all tbh.
On August 29 2023 19:29 iamperfection wrote: Who do you want to lynch marv
Into TTT/LS/(Jacob?)
Really, really, really annoying out of game stuff everywhere. LS birthday. TTT giving up? math giving up?
Doesn't 1 give up look more real then the other?
Tell me what you’re thinking
One obviously looks more real how don't you see it.
Because one said he contacted the hosts and will quit playing?? What a question.
Marv didn't see that what do you make of that?
He has been a bit sloppy this game tbh.
And a little bit lazy too.
Reluctant to call him mafia though, because there is also helpfulness the issue is it’s not leading to anything at all.
Been bothering me since the night phase.
He also has been very good towards me this game, not much suspicion thrown my way. I usually align that with his mafia play but because I also said this last game it may not mean anything anymore
On August 29 2023 20:40 Vivax wrote: I think LS could be scum too.
Koshi.
And possibly even DP.
One at a time. Before you start getting defensive, DP, know that I just can‘t see you as cleared and TTT folding like that could be more of a red flag for you rather than him.
Need a black bean brew now then I‘ll do some filter diving on the three and see if I can clear popular targets I don‘t think are scum. Didn‘t really conclude making my mind up about anything except the angle to tackle.
On August 29 2023 20:40 Vivax wrote: I think LS could be scum too.
Koshi.
And possibly even DP.
One at a time. Before you start getting defensive, DP, know that I just can‘t see you as cleared and TTT folding like that could be more of a red flag for you rather than him.
Need a black bean brew now then I‘ll do some filter diving on the three and see if I can clear popular targets I don‘t think are scum. Didn‘t really conclude making my mind up about anything except the angle to tackle.
Can you take a look at Marv too please, particularly as you just played scum together.
On August 30 2023 08:52 Vivax wrote: Meh I think he could be town now after a skim but could be a treacherous read. It‘s quite emotionally laden and when scum does it they appear authentic.
##Unvote ##Vote: LS
I guess I should just rest my legs while time does its thing. But often I wish I could fast forward.
On August 30 2023 07:10 Vivax wrote: I don't fancy myself a marv pro reader but I just feel truth from his posts, can't explain it.
I feel the same way, but he is definitely able to do this as mafia, he sounds good as both alignments, you really have to judge on his productivity in finding mafia.
On August 30 2023 09:27 iamperfection wrote: the more i read mathenalin vote post the more i want to lynch him. It's bothered me the second he posted it.
On August 30 2023 10:44 TankTopTiger wrote: I've been talking to Grack and he's encouraged me to keep playing. But if I do, it's not going to be in filter-diving F5 try-hard mode where I argue back and forth for hours. I'm gonna say my piece and if I die I die.
I think LS is town. don't understand or agree with his reasons for reading me green. But that thing where he brought heat down on himself unnecessarily didn't feel like something he would do as red. I think lynching him is another mistake.
By vibe, I think Lamp is town, I just really really don't like his blustery playstyle and would prefer to eat razorblades than read his filter. I think he's bad town, but I think he's town. Trying to shut down conversation at the lynch of D1 in order to lynch Chez for no real stated reason makes me very dismissive of his approach to the game.
I don't like Marv but haven't gone through filter, I'll go into reasons why when I'm back (I'm waiting on a pick-up that's already half-hour late). His misinterpretation of my post, then insistence that DP has it wrong is just wild considering he uses the exact same argument I made in his own defense, but insists after filter diving me twice that the interpretation where I'm scared of dying with only one vote on me while Chez has all of them is the better call. Delusional if town.
I still don't like DP, but understand that basically my entire read on him relies on meta from outside the game and positionally I can never really hope to lynch him. If he denies what I've said regarding his selective forgetting of our RL conversations, he confirms to me that he's scum, but ultimately until I'm dead and confirmed town nobody will ever take it seriously because it's non-verifiable.
I'm glad you decided to stick it out. I am surprised you still think I am mafia, but im giving you a pass, today at least, ok?
So you can do some stuff without me breathing down your neck this cycle.
The worst situation in my opinion is if you are town, then I get mislynched as well.
On August 30 2023 10:44 TankTopTiger wrote: I've been talking to Grack and he's encouraged me to keep playing. But if I do, it's not going to be in filter-diving F5 try-hard mode where I argue back and forth for hours. I'm gonna say my piece and if I die I die.
I think LS is town. don't understand or agree with his reasons for reading me green. But that thing where he brought heat down on himself unnecessarily didn't feel like something he would do as red. I think lynching him is another mistake.
By vibe, I think Lamp is town, I just really really don't like his blustery playstyle and would prefer to eat razorblades than read his filter. I think he's bad town, but I think he's town. Trying to shut down conversation at the lynch of D1 in order to lynch Chez for no real stated reason makes me very dismissive of his approach to the game.
I don't like Marv but haven't gone through filter, I'll go into reasons why when I'm back (I'm waiting on a pick-up that's already half-hour late). His misinterpretation of my post, then insistence that DP has it wrong is just wild considering he uses the exact same argument I made in his own defense, but insists after filter diving me twice that the interpretation where I'm scared of dying with only one vote on me while Chez has all of them is the better call. Delusional if town.
I still don't like DP, but understand that basically my entire read on him relies on meta from outside the game and positionally I can never really hope to lynch him. If he denies what I've said regarding his selective forgetting of our RL conversations, he confirms to me that he's scum, but ultimately until I'm dead and confirmed town nobody will ever take it seriously because it's non-verifiable.
I'm glad you decided to stick it out. I am surprised you still think I am mafia, but im giving you a pass, today at least, ok?
So you can do some stuff without me breathing down your neck this cycle.
The worst situation in my opinion is if you are town, then I get mislynched as well.
surely you would have to be scum together if they aint. Unless you think they are they type of person to use IRL reasons to set you up.
I think the simplest solution though is TTT is town though.
I am bothered by marvs super strong town read on Math still because I just can't find the tone that he is finding that causes his level of confidence that math is town, in fact my tone read on him is that he is scummy.
I am trying to figure out if it is:
1.) because marv is mafia and therefore is able to 'see the town' in his posts because of TMI
2.) because they are mafia together and marv knows he won't last to endgame so needs to keep his teammates alive or something.
3.) because marv is town and just wrong.
4.) because marv is town, and he is seeing things correctly that I can't see.
I think its really important to figure out what is happening here for both alignments.
On August 30 2023 12:24 DarthPunk wrote: By the way, I have a full work day out of the office with no internet tomorrow, so won't be around for deadline unlike most other times.
Marv what’s your confidence interval on math should I trust your eyes more than my own here or is it a situation where it’s just a coin toss who is right??
On August 30 2023 17:45 marvellosity wrote: I really don’t understand why anyone is suddenly sure TTT is town. Someone explain to me like I’m a toddler please.
tone around quitting and coming back.
As an aside It would be an incredibly messed up appeal to emotion in my opinion if he does that as mafia.
I have done something similar back in the day but it definitely isn’t in the wheelhouse for most people.
On August 30 2023 17:45 marvellosity wrote: I really don’t understand why anyone is suddenly sure TTT is town. Someone explain to me like I’m a toddler please.
I don't think that's the case? I certainly don't feel trusted. LS aside who's sure I'm town?
Definitely the thread sentiment is shifting to that direction
On August 30 2023 18:49 Koshi wrote: marv or iamp I will be filtering DP in 30 mins. If you are here for feedback that would be nice. I know he is mafia and will prove it but too many people asking questions at work to do it during hours.
On August 30 2023 19:04 DarthPunk wrote: Btw koshi trying to lynch me the one deadline I am not around, after I say I won’t be around, that is the scummiest thing he has done all game.
I agree that I am super town.
You really are trying to push that when it literally hasn’t been true this game.
Anyway I’m not going to really be able to defend myself much. Because , as I stated earlier I have work stuff on tomorrow and my jet lagged girlfriend wants some sleep now without phone posting.
So if I get lynched here it’s unfortunate.
But lynch koshi afterwards when I flip town please.
He basically is claiming scum at me or he is a legit c-tier town player
On August 30 2023 19:56 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway I’m not going to really be able to defend myself much. Because , as I stated earlier I have work stuff on tomorrow and my jet lagged girlfriend wants some sleep now without phone posting.
So if I get lynched here it’s unfortunate.
But lynch koshi afterwards when I flip town please.
He basically is claiming scum at me or he is a legit c-tier town player
Either way must die.
LS/koshi/math is a good place to look.
Either way? Really DP? It’s literally a townie’s entire job to make this distinction
I’m being hyperbolic
I am pretty sure he is mafia for the opportunistic timing and the shorty case which is more just trying to find things that might look bad than trying to discern my alignment.
And a whole bunch of other reasons that I will go over if I’m around the next night.
On August 30 2023 18:49 Koshi wrote: marv or iamp I will be filtering DP in 30 mins. If you are here for feedback that would be nice. I know he is mafia and will prove it but too many people asking questions at work to do it during hours.
Like in this post he is saying what he is doing.
scum say: I am going to filter dp in 30 mins and I can prove he is mafias
A townie would say: I have been reading dps filter to figure him out and I can prove he is mafia for x reason.
Then his case drops and it literally is koshi just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, Hardly proving anything.
This is why I know koshi is mafia. He isn’t following the evidence and making decisions.
He made a decision (at the start of the game btw) and is trying to find or manufacture evidence
On August 30 2023 20:23 Koshi wrote: This is going to take a long time because I had to do something and also eat.
But look at his posts here.
He is more afraid I will succeed and he will get lynched than that he is confident I will get lynched instead.
Why is his vote parked on LS? LS is null for him. I am 100% mafia. Math has been his preferred lynch candidate forever now. Did he say something about LS that I missed? I don't think so. He should always be on Math or me.
Ls is not null for me. I am sheeping a town Marv read on him being maf/town which is the exact approach I took In version one of the game
And I am not scared. I am 100 percent confident you could not lynch me if you were not taking advantage of the fact I said I wasn’t going to be around.
I still don’t think you will lynch me, but if you do I want to make sure you go down afterwards
On August 30 2023 18:49 Koshi wrote: marv or iamp I will be filtering DP in 30 mins. If you are here for feedback that would be nice. I know he is mafia and will prove it but too many people asking questions at work to do it during hours.
Like in this post he is saying what he is doing.
scum say: I am going to filter dp in 30 mins and I can prove he is mafias
A townie would say: I have been reading dps filter to figure him out and I can prove he is mafia for x reason.
Then his case drops and it literally is koshi just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, Hardly proving anything.
This is why I know koshi is mafia. He isn’t following the evidence and making decisions.
He made a decision (at the start of the game btw) and is trying to find or manufacture evidence
Scum scum scum.
Wrong. I have read your filter after TTT came back and looked townie. He scumreads you and I scumread you. I thought there is a good chance you are mafia. So I said what I said.
On August 30 2023 20:23 Koshi wrote: This is going to take a long time because I had to do something and also eat.
But look at his posts here.
He is more afraid I will succeed and he will get lynched than that he is confident I will get lynched instead.
Why is his vote parked on LS? LS is null for him. I am 100% mafia. Math has been his preferred lynch candidate forever now. Did he say something about LS that I missed? I don't think so. He should always be on Math or me.
Ls is not null for me. I am sheeping a town Marv read on him being maf/town which is the exact approach I took In version one of the game
And I am not scared. I am 100 percent confident you could not lynch me if you were not taking advantage of the fact I said I wasn’t going to be around.
I still don’t think you will lynch me, but if you do I want to make sure you go down afterwards
Ok?
You put him black in your list post. What changed since then that you decide to sheep marv into him over obvious mafia Koshi and obvious mafia math?
I read Marv as obv town now.
That means I could be wrong about math cause town Marv is good at reading math (if you were reading my filter in good faith you should have realised this)
It also means ls is very likely scum because if town Marv sees it , it is very likely true. Marv is generally the last person who I think would mislynch ls as town.
I also don’t think I could lynch you right now when I’m not going to be around so a vote there is just not happening.
On August 30 2023 18:49 Koshi wrote: marv or iamp I will be filtering DP in 30 mins. If you are here for feedback that would be nice. I know he is mafia and will prove it but too many people asking questions at work to do it during hours.
Like in this post he is saying what he is doing.
scum say: I am going to filter dp in 30 mins and I can prove he is mafias
A townie would say: I have been reading dps filter to figure him out and I can prove he is mafia for x reason.
Then his case drops and it literally is koshi just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, Hardly proving anything.
This is why I know koshi is mafia. He isn’t following the evidence and making decisions.
He made a decision (at the start of the game btw) and is trying to find or manufacture evidence
Scum scum scum.
Wrong. I have read your filter after TTT came back and looked townie. He scumreads you and I scumread you. I thought there is a good chance you are mafia. So I said what I said.
Not wrong. this is exactly why you are mafia lol.
Ah ok. The exact reason I am mafia keeps shifting. Perfect.
First: A townie Koshi would read your filter and say he can prove you are mafia for x reason. This mafia Koshi didn't read shit and just wants to lynch me.
I say: I read your filter after TTT came back and put my suspicion back on you instead of TTT (for w.e reason I couldn't decide who was the mafia out of you 2 but since that TTT post it clicked)
Second: Koshi is exactly mafia for what I said what a townie would do
No I was reiterating my first point.
But keep showing the thread how narrow minded you are being, it just reinforces the obvious agenda and failure to actually care about the truth of my alignment.
On August 31 2023 04:04 Koshi wrote: 2) Math, Chez and VE.
We are currently on page 4 of DP his filter and except for shitfighting with Vivax and me he hasn't done shit. So after rayn, marv, iamp and Koshi talk about VE and vote VE. DP comes in the thread and starts with saying he doesn't want to lynch VE but wants to lynch math. You are all free to look yourself and look for posts of DP looking into Math but you won't find any except these:
On August 28 2023 08:43 DarthPunk wrote: Catch up post:
On August 28 2023 03:27 mathenalin wrote: Am i a snowflake if i vote VE or is his vote on me so unbelievably bad that its warranted
This post is sus as fuck.
Why is he checking the temperature of the thread before he votes? Like if you are town you know this motherfucker is wrong about you and trying to kill you. The self awareness of how he is being perceived in the thread strikes me.
On August 28 2023 03:36 mathenalin wrote:
On August 28 2023 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 28 2023 03:25 mathenalin wrote:
On August 28 2023 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: mathenalin, around 10 hours ago you said you were prioritizing getting a read on iamp and Jacob. I see you formed a read on iamp but there is no mention in your filter about Jacob (even after you talked with DP about your reads -- so it doesn't fall under "if anyone has questions for me" anymore i guess).
Did you ever form a read on Jacob?
I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour.
His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly.
His vote on marv being anything other than a joke.
Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.
I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case.
I find it quite weird you treat this as anti-town behavior for some reasons: 1) Every vote particularly during D1 is "pressure", since noone has a good clue who is mafia (especially seems to be true this game since nobody really seems to have a even remotely good case they trust. 2) You said yourself, before voting for Chezinu, at twice, that pressure on Chezinu is good and should be kept up.
Why did you say that while simultaneously claiming if you announce pressure it loses power over the target?
On August 28 2023 09:39 DarthPunk wrote: Meh there is something there with Math, but I can't exactly find what it is..
I BUT ALSO DP WANTS YOU TO DOUBLE CHECK WHAT I WRITE. GO LOOK INTO 80 POSTS OF DP FOR MENTIONS OF MATH. You will only find the above and this: spoiler cuz holy fuck: + Show Spoiler +
On August 28 2023 10:25 TankTopTiger wrote: If you're standing by everything you've said in this exchange, I don't see a way for a green DP to keep that all in his head at once. Still won't vote for you D1, as I think that only takes votes off Chez and does not put any meaningful votes on you.
But yeah I'm pretty sure you're mafia if you're claiming to actually believe this stuff.
Why am i mafia for thinking that?
Why won't you post about mathenalin after saying you would filter dive him hours ago.
On August 28 2023 11:23 JacobStrangelove wrote: I honestly don't get the math and ttt reads tbh. Can you spell out the cases in one place for clarity?
Read my big post.
but yeah I will summarise later. I am supposed to be working after all.
Something to consider:
2 townies on the Math wagon, the lack of traction there is interesting to me.
Ok. So in 80 posts aka 4 pages we only got 2 reasons: 1) math checked the temperature before voting 2) math said he pretended to have a reason. But if you read the conversation with rayn it is not that he caught pretending to have a reason but that he pressured with pretending to have a reason. So I am not sure what DP is saying that townies don't do that. DP most likely just read "pretend" and went with it.
Now asks yourself. Is this good enough for DP to not follow marv; rayn, iamp; koshi into VE? Maybe yes because he townreads VE for reasons given in his big catch up post which I am too stupid for to understand but you can go and figure it out.
But are there other targets that DP should have voted instead of math?
On August 28 2023 09:24 die_meatbaby wrote: I suspect too many players at the moment and have only one townread (Koshi)
IMP has a strange way of playing/writing. Before I vote you I have to read through old games of yours.
Vivax behaves exactly the same as in the very first game when he was dr. Maybe I am colorblind, but maybe not
My grandma told me once i should never vote on somebody with a nicename Chez otherwise a ghost comes to haunt you in every game in PC.
#vote TTT To be honest, I can't describe it. It's just missing. It miss the ambition you have to find the wolf. It miss the discussions when you focus on a player and put him under pressure. There is just so much missing. It feels like a different person is playing in this game. I can't help but see you on the Red team.
This is basically how I feel about TTT at this point as well
On August 28 2023 09:59 TankTopTiger wrote: Mmmm you first.
@DP Name one game in the last five years in which I was confirmed town at this point in the game? You're being a bozo.
I literally talked to you about this between games, that you think I'm somehow confirmed town D1, but I wasn't present D1 in endurance I, and in endurance II I basically sheeped you D1. Where does this "strong independent confirmed town D1" TTT myth come from? I've made it pretty clear I don't like D1 because it's a low information environment and so most of this is just a dance with no real conviction. I hate this so much from you. I'm pretty sure the last time I describe D1 to you it was that "it's cancer".
You just don't make sense to me. There isn't a coherent worldview there when I know I've talked to you about this stuff.
I don't care about what other people think about you day one or what you think of your self,
I know that, to me, I generally don't want to lynch you and shield you from others even because I can see reasons that you are town.
The past two games (this and the aborted version) I haven't seen that.
There is no reason to protect you, or even not lynch you at this point.
On August 28 2023 10:25 TankTopTiger wrote: If you're standing by everything you've said in this exchange, I don't see a way for a green DP to keep that all in his head at once. Still won't vote for you D1, as I think that only takes votes off Chez and does not put any meaningful votes on you.
But yeah I'm pretty sure you're mafia if you're claiming to actually believe this stuff.
This is what I meant. This is what makes you red. Town TTT would not do that. Town TTT would ignore this und would try to get everybody to go the his original suspect and don´t just suspect somebody who was suspecting him. This is definitely not a Town game you make here. Thats not TTT what i am used do
DMB, everyone is already on my lynch. There is no need to refocus town because unless something changes, I get my way.
Regarding the OMGUS, yes it is in a way, but it's not just that. Town DP doesn't do this. DP respects my late game after Endures I, he made up my aptitude in early game. Town DP does not think that "D1 is when you first post". Town DP does not give up town equity on a scaler over them not having proven themselves early in the game.
You'll note I'm not filtering DP rn. I'm not making a huge war. I'm in a back and forth because I want to get him to take hard stances that he can't take back later if/when I actually go after him.
You don;t really understand what I said about you do you.
I am not saying you play well day 1 or at the start of games.
I am saying that usually, within 24-48 hours of you being in a game, there are reasons for me to feel you could be town.
usually because you are posting logical and insightful questions or arguments that resonate with my view of the game.
This is why we are usually on the same page.
But this game is absent of that, and your posts, while logical are lacking insight, and do not resonate with me.
I agree to others you look weak when you start posting, but not to me which is what matters to me.
Also I am not giving up town equity here even if you are town somehow. So not sure what you are actually saying here again.
See this is another example of what you are saying is logically right, but meaningfully absent.
This is bottom page 6.
So I ask again. Should DP be on mathelin or TTT? He ended up on math over TTT over VE. Why? Mafia!DP knew VE and Chez would flip town and was preparing misslynch number 3. That's why.
Or I thought chez and ve were town cause I am good at the game. But it is very nice being called mafia because of tmi when I am town.
On August 31 2023 04:17 Koshi wrote: Part 3. The LS vote:
I wanted part 3 to be cronological and be about how DP talked to rayn during the night and how DP was mafia in rayn his team of 4. BUT I think this is a better fit.
With 5 votes, LightningStrike is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Thursday, Aug 31 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
So I have very very carefully read DP filter up to page 8 and I can tell you there is little about LS. You can check this yurself because I can't believe it and it is hard to filter on 'LS' but I found this:
On August 26 2023 21:00 VisceraEyes wrote: oh look iamp was skilled enough to fake that town tell.
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
So this game. I think everyone who's posted is town. I want to lynch whoever hasn't posted starting.....now.
ezD1
This post (and his subsequent posts) make me not like VE. I feel like creating arbitrary pools of lynch candidates actually just means he doesn;t have to play the game, the start of last game he was actually playing and had productive posts immediately.
IIRC in Endures 1 he was pretty keen to lynch lurkers too.
LS looking better to me this game.
On August 27 2023 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was gonna speedread in my 10mins, butthere was nothing to read.
Is LS mafia now as he looks more town to me than last game lol? Iamp probs town here.
On August 27 2023 21:35 DarthPunk wrote: who you want to lynch right now LS?
So if somebody can tell me how to look with capital only letters in Chrome let me know. Anyway. I have read many posts of DP and LS is not existant. On the other hand. In his biggest scumread Math his filter LS is constantly mentioned.
So what happens right before he leaves and will not be able to come back till deadline? He votes LS. Why? Because marv voted LS. Is that consistent? No, because marv voted VE and did DP vote VE? No, DP voted Math. Who also voted LS and has been pushing LS.
So does this make sense? No Koshi, can you make this make sense? Yes, LS is mafia and mafia!DP wants kred if his buddy flips. Really Koshi? Yes really, did you also see that DP said he couldn't come back. But then also said he might be able to come back in a later post? Yes, go on Koshi. Well that is because DP wants to swap his vote from his scumbuddy!LS if necessairy/possible.
Now I read Marv town and I was suspicious of him before so I that changes things. I also thought he was wrong about VE if he was town and I don’t think he was wrong about ls.
I am happy to sheep Marv on ls when I consider that someone he reads particularly well. (See endures 1)
Also if I was bidding it would not be like this.
If I was bussing I would be getting all the credit from the wagon not just hopping on.
But I guess this makes me confident that LS will flip mafia cause you are laying the foundation of another lynch onto that.
On August 31 2023 03:23 iamperfection wrote: So what. That doesn't mean you can't be productive.
Considering Koshi is the only here that is voting me I will try. Koshi I know most likely saw math's last post how you voting me when his last post was very fake????
The best part of all this is that koshi a still voting ls apparently over his biggest ‘scumread’
On August 31 2023 05:24 LightningStrike wrote: Just got out of class I am on mobile:
On August 31 2023 03:23 iamperfection wrote: So what. That doesn't mean you can't be productive.
Considering Koshi is the only here that is voting me I will try. Koshi I know most likely saw math's last post how you voting me when his last post was very fake????
The best part of all this is that koshi a still voting ls apparently over his biggest ‘scumread’
He said you were bussing
He also said that if ls was town I am mafia.
So in his world I am 100% mafia supposedly
But he is voting ls still.
Probably because I called him out on the timing and also his cases sucked.
On August 31 2023 05:35 iamperfection wrote: Regardless of the merits of the case. What do you make of the timing of the drop of the case in general
I’ve already talked about this: opportunistic, basically I said I wouldn’t be around, he tries to lynch me, no doubt if he got more traction he would be trying harder.
On August 31 2023 05:35 iamperfection wrote: Regardless of the merits of the case. What do you make of the timing of the drop of the case in general
I’ve already talked about this: opportunistic, basically I said I wouldn’t be around, he tries to lynch me, no doubt if he got more traction he would be trying harder.
To me at least he claimed scum by doing this.
I don't think the goal was to change the lynch today.
I pre emted it a bit. Also if he got any traction he would have.
Unlucky for him it’s hard to build cases on townies.
On August 31 2023 04:04 Koshi wrote: 2) Math, Chez and VE.
We are currently on page 4 of DP his filter and except for shitfighting with Vivax and me he hasn't done shit. So after rayn, marv, iamp and Koshi talk about VE and vote VE. DP comes in the thread and starts with saying he doesn't want to lynch VE but wants to lynch math. You are all free to look yourself and look for posts of DP looking into Math but you won't find any except these:
On August 28 2023 08:43 DarthPunk wrote: Catch up post:
On August 28 2023 03:27 mathenalin wrote: Am i a snowflake if i vote VE or is his vote on me so unbelievably bad that its warranted
This post is sus as fuck.
Why is he checking the temperature of the thread before he votes? Like if you are town you know this motherfucker is wrong about you and trying to kill you. The self awareness of how he is being perceived in the thread strikes me.
On August 28 2023 03:36 mathenalin wrote:
On August 28 2023 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 28 2023 03:25 mathenalin wrote:
On August 28 2023 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: mathenalin, around 10 hours ago you said you were prioritizing getting a read on iamp and Jacob. I see you formed a read on iamp but there is no mention in your filter about Jacob (even after you talked with DP about your reads -- so it doesn't fall under "if anyone has questions for me" anymore i guess).
Did you ever form a read on Jacob?
I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour.
His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly.
His vote on marv being anything other than a joke.
Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.
I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case.
I find it quite weird you treat this as anti-town behavior for some reasons: 1) Every vote particularly during D1 is "pressure", since noone has a good clue who is mafia (especially seems to be true this game since nobody really seems to have a even remotely good case they trust. 2) You said yourself, before voting for Chezinu, at twice, that pressure on Chezinu is good and should be kept up.
Why did you say that while simultaneously claiming if you announce pressure it loses power over the target?
Well i tried to pretend I had a reason
Hate this, town doesn't do this.
On August 28 2023 08:45 DarthPunk wrote: Don't want to Lynch VE.
I do want to lynch MATHENALIN.
I could compromise onto Chezinu but I don't have a good grasp on his alignment so it would be tossing a coin and for future thread health.
##Vote: Mathenalin
the next post after voting math we get this:
On August 28 2023 08:47 DarthPunk wrote: I'll lynch chezinu over VE, but can you read my posts about math, read his filter and get back to me.
I will come back to this but first all mentions about math in DP filter page 4-5-6-7:
On August 28 2023 09:08 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 28 2023 09:08 Vivax wrote:
On August 28 2023 09:01 iamperfection wrote:
On August 28 2023 09:01 Chezinu wrote: Ah the demons are out I see.
your the only demon i see right now
Amen
Banish the creature.
Idk why DP is so un-okay with this option maybe we‘re disposing of one of his horned minions
I literally said I was ok with it, I just think Math is scum.
On August 28 2023 09:39 DarthPunk wrote: Meh there is something there with Math, but I can't exactly find what it is..
I BUT ALSO DP WANTS YOU TO DOUBLE CHECK WHAT I WRITE. GO LOOK INTO 80 POSTS OF DP FOR MENTIONS OF MATH. You will only find the above and this: spoiler cuz holy fuck: + Show Spoiler +
On August 28 2023 10:25 TankTopTiger wrote: If you're standing by everything you've said in this exchange, I don't see a way for a green DP to keep that all in his head at once. Still won't vote for you D1, as I think that only takes votes off Chez and does not put any meaningful votes on you.
But yeah I'm pretty sure you're mafia if you're claiming to actually believe this stuff.
Why am i mafia for thinking that?
Why won't you post about mathenalin after saying you would filter dive him hours ago.
On August 28 2023 11:23 JacobStrangelove wrote: I honestly don't get the math and ttt reads tbh. Can you spell out the cases in one place for clarity?
Read my big post.
but yeah I will summarise later. I am supposed to be working after all.
Something to consider:
2 townies on the Math wagon, the lack of traction there is interesting to me.
Ok. So in 80 posts aka 4 pages we only got 2 reasons: 1) math checked the temperature before voting 2) math said he pretended to have a reason. But if you read the conversation with rayn it is not that he caught pretending to have a reason but that he pressured with pretending to have a reason. So I am not sure what DP is saying that townies don't do that. DP most likely just read "pretend" and went with it.
Now asks yourself. Is this good enough for DP to not follow marv; rayn, iamp; koshi into VE? Maybe yes because he townreads VE for reasons given in his big catch up post which I am too stupid for to understand but you can go and figure it out.
But are there other targets that DP should have voted instead of math?
On August 28 2023 08:43 DarthPunk wrote: Catch up post: I have some issues with TTT this game I think.
Generally I would expect Mafia!TTT to still have good points, to seem coherent and logical and to ask questions that are reasonable and pertinent.
The difference is that as Mafia they fail to lead to anything productive or execute a scumhunting agenda.
In endures 1 and 2 TTT was clearly pushing a scumhunting agenda, and in these past two starts I haven't seen that from him really at all.
I think the attempted trap on Vivax was something I saw him use on marv in Endures 1 so that is a potential town trait.
I also think he would have improved his play from feedback from last game, so yeah, not green on TTT which is not really something I enjoy.
On August 28 2023 09:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 28 2023 09:24 die_meatbaby wrote: I suspect too many players at the moment and have only one townread (Koshi)
IMP has a strange way of playing/writing. Before I vote you I have to read through old games of yours.
Vivax behaves exactly the same as in the very first game when he was dr. Maybe I am colorblind, but maybe not
My grandma told me once i should never vote on somebody with a nicename Chez otherwise a ghost comes to haunt you in every game in PC.
#vote TTT To be honest, I can't describe it. It's just missing. It miss the ambition you have to find the wolf. It miss the discussions when you focus on a player and put him under pressure. There is just so much missing. It feels like a different person is playing in this game. I can't help but see you on the Red team.
This is basically how I feel about TTT at this point as well
On August 28 2023 10:02 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 28 2023 09:59 TankTopTiger wrote: Mmmm you first.
@DP Name one game in the last five years in which I was confirmed town at this point in the game? You're being a bozo.
I literally talked to you about this between games, that you think I'm somehow confirmed town D1, but I wasn't present D1 in endurance I, and in endurance II I basically sheeped you D1. Where does this "strong independent confirmed town D1" TTT myth come from? I've made it pretty clear I don't like D1 because it's a low information environment and so most of this is just a dance with no real conviction. I hate this so much from you. I'm pretty sure the last time I describe D1 to you it was that "it's cancer".
You just don't make sense to me. There isn't a coherent worldview there when I know I've talked to you about this stuff.
I don't care about what other people think about you day one or what you think of your self,
I know that, to me, I generally don't want to lynch you and shield you from others even because I can see reasons that you are town.
The past two games (this and the aborted version) I haven't seen that.
There is no reason to protect you, or even not lynch you at this point.
On August 28 2023 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 28 2023 10:45 TankTopTiger wrote:
On August 28 2023 10:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
On August 28 2023 10:25 TankTopTiger wrote: If you're standing by everything you've said in this exchange, I don't see a way for a green DP to keep that all in his head at once. Still won't vote for you D1, as I think that only takes votes off Chez and does not put any meaningful votes on you.
But yeah I'm pretty sure you're mafia if you're claiming to actually believe this stuff.
This is what I meant. This is what makes you red. Town TTT would not do that. Town TTT would ignore this und would try to get everybody to go the his original suspect and don´t just suspect somebody who was suspecting him. This is definitely not a Town game you make here. Thats not TTT what i am used do
DMB, everyone is already on my lynch. There is no need to refocus town because unless something changes, I get my way.
Regarding the OMGUS, yes it is in a way, but it's not just that. Town DP doesn't do this. DP respects my late game after Endures I, he made up my aptitude in early game. Town DP does not think that "D1 is when you first post". Town DP does not give up town equity on a scaler over them not having proven themselves early in the game.
You'll note I'm not filtering DP rn. I'm not making a huge war. I'm in a back and forth because I want to get him to take hard stances that he can't take back later if/when I actually go after him.
You don;t really understand what I said about you do you.
I am not saying you play well day 1 or at the start of games.
I am saying that usually, within 24-48 hours of you being in a game, there are reasons for me to feel you could be town.
usually because you are posting logical and insightful questions or arguments that resonate with my view of the game.
This is why we are usually on the same page.
But this game is absent of that, and your posts, while logical are lacking insight, and do not resonate with me.
I agree to others you look weak when you start posting, but not to me which is what matters to me.
Also I am not giving up town equity here even if you are town somehow. So not sure what you are actually saying here again.
See this is another example of what you are saying is logically right, but meaningfully absent.
This is bottom page 6.
So I ask again. Should DP be on mathelin or TTT? He ended up on math over TTT over VE. Why? Mafia!DP knew VE and Chez would flip town and was preparing misslynch number 3. That's why.
Or I thought chez and ve were town cause I am good at the game. But it is very nice being called mafia because of tmi when I am town.
Especially from you lmao 🤣
Why especially from me? Also. The biggest point is you not voting TTT over Math.
Because of the ego and rage fest you pulled in endures one.
On August 31 2023 05:56 Koshi wrote: Anyway. I am thick skinned so it's ok. Part of the game.
But please answer. As normal as possible.
On August 31 2023 05:54 Koshi wrote:
On August 31 2023 05:08 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 31 2023 04:04 Koshi wrote: 2) Math, Chez and VE.
We are currently on page 4 of DP his filter and except for shitfighting with Vivax and me he hasn't done shit. So after rayn, marv, iamp and Koshi talk about VE and vote VE. DP comes in the thread and starts with saying he doesn't want to lynch VE but wants to lynch math. You are all free to look yourself and look for posts of DP looking into Math but you won't find any except these:
On August 28 2023 08:43 DarthPunk wrote: Catch up post:
On August 28 2023 03:27 mathenalin wrote: Am i a snowflake if i vote VE or is his vote on me so unbelievably bad that its warranted
This post is sus as fuck.
Why is he checking the temperature of the thread before he votes? Like if you are town you know this motherfucker is wrong about you and trying to kill you. The self awareness of how he is being perceived in the thread strikes me.
On August 28 2023 03:36 mathenalin wrote:
On August 28 2023 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 28 2023 03:25 mathenalin wrote: [quote]
I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour.
His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly.
His vote on marv being anything other than a joke.
Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.
I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case.
I find it quite weird you treat this as anti-town behavior for some reasons: 1) Every vote particularly during D1 is "pressure", since noone has a good clue who is mafia (especially seems to be true this game since nobody really seems to have a even remotely good case they trust. 2) You said yourself, before voting for Chezinu, at twice, that pressure on Chezinu is good and should be kept up.
Why did you say that while simultaneously claiming if you announce pressure it loses power over the target?
Well i tried to pretend I had a reason
Hate this, town doesn't do this.
On August 28 2023 08:45 DarthPunk wrote: Don't want to Lynch VE.
I do want to lynch MATHENALIN.
I could compromise onto Chezinu but I don't have a good grasp on his alignment so it would be tossing a coin and for future thread health.
##Vote: Mathenalin
the next post after voting math we get this:
On August 28 2023 08:47 DarthPunk wrote: I'll lynch chezinu over VE, but can you read my posts about math, read his filter and get back to me.
I will come back to this but first all mentions about math in DP filter page 4-5-6-7:
On August 28 2023 09:08 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 28 2023 09:08 Vivax wrote:
On August 28 2023 09:01 iamperfection wrote:
On August 28 2023 09:01 Chezinu wrote: Ah the demons are out I see.
your the only demon i see right now
Amen
Banish the creature.
Idk why DP is so un-okay with this option maybe we‘re disposing of one of his horned minions
I literally said I was ok with it, I just think Math is scum.
On August 28 2023 09:39 DarthPunk wrote: Meh there is something there with Math, but I can't exactly find what it is..
I BUT ALSO DP WANTS YOU TO DOUBLE CHECK WHAT I WRITE. GO LOOK INTO 80 POSTS OF DP FOR MENTIONS OF MATH. You will only find the above and this: spoiler cuz holy fuck: + Show Spoiler +
On August 28 2023 10:25 TankTopTiger wrote: If you're standing by everything you've said in this exchange, I don't see a way for a green DP to keep that all in his head at once. Still won't vote for you D1, as I think that only takes votes off Chez and does not put any meaningful votes on you.
But yeah I'm pretty sure you're mafia if you're claiming to actually believe this stuff.
Why am i mafia for thinking that?
Why won't you post about mathenalin after saying you would filter dive him hours ago.
On August 28 2023 11:23 JacobStrangelove wrote: I honestly don't get the math and ttt reads tbh. Can you spell out the cases in one place for clarity?
Read my big post.
but yeah I will summarise later. I am supposed to be working after all.
Something to consider:
2 townies on the Math wagon, the lack of traction there is interesting to me.
Ok. So in 80 posts aka 4 pages we only got 2 reasons: 1) math checked the temperature before voting 2) math said he pretended to have a reason. But if you read the conversation with rayn it is not that he caught pretending to have a reason but that he pressured with pretending to have a reason. So I am not sure what DP is saying that townies don't do that. DP most likely just read "pretend" and went with it.
Now asks yourself. Is this good enough for DP to not follow marv; rayn, iamp; koshi into VE? Maybe yes because he townreads VE for reasons given in his big catch up post which I am too stupid for to understand but you can go and figure it out.
But are there other targets that DP should have voted instead of math?
On August 28 2023 08:43 DarthPunk wrote: Catch up post: I have some issues with TTT this game I think.
Generally I would expect Mafia!TTT to still have good points, to seem coherent and logical and to ask questions that are reasonable and pertinent.
The difference is that as Mafia they fail to lead to anything productive or execute a scumhunting agenda.
In endures 1 and 2 TTT was clearly pushing a scumhunting agenda, and in these past two starts I haven't seen that from him really at all.
I think the attempted trap on Vivax was something I saw him use on marv in Endures 1 so that is a potential town trait.
I also think he would have improved his play from feedback from last game, so yeah, not green on TTT which is not really something I enjoy.
On August 28 2023 09:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 28 2023 09:24 die_meatbaby wrote: I suspect too many players at the moment and have only one townread (Koshi)
IMP has a strange way of playing/writing. Before I vote you I have to read through old games of yours.
Vivax behaves exactly the same as in the very first game when he was dr. Maybe I am colorblind, but maybe not
My grandma told me once i should never vote on somebody with a nicename Chez otherwise a ghost comes to haunt you in every game in PC.
#vote TTT To be honest, I can't describe it. It's just missing. It miss the ambition you have to find the wolf. It miss the discussions when you focus on a player and put him under pressure. There is just so much missing. It feels like a different person is playing in this game. I can't help but see you on the Red team.
This is basically how I feel about TTT at this point as well
On August 28 2023 10:02 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 28 2023 09:59 TankTopTiger wrote: Mmmm you first.
@DP Name one game in the last five years in which I was confirmed town at this point in the game? You're being a bozo.
I literally talked to you about this between games, that you think I'm somehow confirmed town D1, but I wasn't present D1 in endurance I, and in endurance II I basically sheeped you D1. Where does this "strong independent confirmed town D1" TTT myth come from? I've made it pretty clear I don't like D1 because it's a low information environment and so most of this is just a dance with no real conviction. I hate this so much from you. I'm pretty sure the last time I describe D1 to you it was that "it's cancer".
You just don't make sense to me. There isn't a coherent worldview there when I know I've talked to you about this stuff.
I don't care about what other people think about you day one or what you think of your self,
I know that, to me, I generally don't want to lynch you and shield you from others even because I can see reasons that you are town.
The past two games (this and the aborted version) I haven't seen that.
There is no reason to protect you, or even not lynch you at this point.
On August 28 2023 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 28 2023 10:45 TankTopTiger wrote:
On August 28 2023 10:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
On August 28 2023 10:25 TankTopTiger wrote: If you're standing by everything you've said in this exchange, I don't see a way for a green DP to keep that all in his head at once. Still won't vote for you D1, as I think that only takes votes off Chez and does not put any meaningful votes on you.
But yeah I'm pretty sure you're mafia if you're claiming to actually believe this stuff.
This is what I meant. This is what makes you red. Town TTT would not do that. Town TTT would ignore this und would try to get everybody to go the his original suspect and don´t just suspect somebody who was suspecting him. This is definitely not a Town game you make here. Thats not TTT what i am used do
DMB, everyone is already on my lynch. There is no need to refocus town because unless something changes, I get my way.
Regarding the OMGUS, yes it is in a way, but it's not just that. Town DP doesn't do this. DP respects my late game after Endures I, he made up my aptitude in early game. Town DP does not think that "D1 is when you first post". Town DP does not give up town equity on a scaler over them not having proven themselves early in the game.
You'll note I'm not filtering DP rn. I'm not making a huge war. I'm in a back and forth because I want to get him to take hard stances that he can't take back later if/when I actually go after him.
You don;t really understand what I said about you do you.
I am not saying you play well day 1 or at the start of games.
I am saying that usually, within 24-48 hours of you being in a game, there are reasons for me to feel you could be town.
usually because you are posting logical and insightful questions or arguments that resonate with my view of the game.
This is why we are usually on the same page.
But this game is absent of that, and your posts, while logical are lacking insight, and do not resonate with me.
I agree to others you look weak when you start posting, but not to me which is what matters to me.
Also I am not giving up town equity here even if you are town somehow. So not sure what you are actually saying here again.
See this is another example of what you are saying is logically right, but meaningfully absent.
This is bottom page 6.
So I ask again. Should DP be on mathelin or TTT? He ended up on math over TTT over VE. Why? Mafia!DP knew VE and Chez would flip town and was preparing misslynch number 3. That's why.
Or I thought chez and ve were town cause I am good at the game. But it is very nice being called mafia because of tmi when I am town.
Especially from you lmao 🤣
Why especially from me? Also. The biggest point is you not voting TTT over Math.
Because of the ego and rage fest you pulled in endures one.
I dont understand
You flamed me like crazy in endures one for lynching vivax over mz (who was also town)
Like if people genuinely feel like I am out of line with my behaviour in the game, then I am happy to unpack that later. Cause I think that is a valid criticism.
managed to take a bathroom break and catchup on the thread. I am really ok with both wagons.
But I think its gonna be bad if MAth just never comes back or tries to defend himself,
its really a question of motivation why is math not engaged by scumhunting, at this point, especially when there is a lot more happening ITT?
even if you are under suspicion you can still, as town, find away to be engaged with solving as much as possible before you go down.
I also don't know what to make of LS and his reads that don't go along with thread sentment, definately outside of the normal play of LS as both alingments.
AS much as I want to vote with marv I don;t want to vote with Koshi, so at the end of the da I am ok with both wagons.
On August 26 2023 23:59 mathenalin wrote: I really think VE could be onto something with chez. Would actually be a very good lynch at this point
This is a hyperbole post in regards to what VE had to say cause nobody who didn't bother like myself didn't try to have an AI figure him out. I could understand the enthusiasm if he would have previously had a town read on VE but nada.
On August 26 2023 21:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Look at how Chezinu squirms once the AI figured him out so hard. As if to say "Hey guys this game I'm going to be extra unpredictable so definitely don't ask if I'm mafia!!!"
I'm fucking watching you Chez. You always think it but it's explicitly stated this game. Your filter has its own window. O > O <
On August 26 2023 21:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Like pregame he was all playing with the AI and now he mentions it in passing and then OH LOOK AT THIS PRETTY PICTURE!!!!
O > O <
On August 26 2023 21:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Hmmmmmm.....that might not wash, right? Because like........acting extra would make the AI MORE likely to think he's mafia if we were to ask.
Whatever. He won't be able to hide for long if he's mafia. Because I'm watching. ALWAYS WATCHING.
At most this was a FoS from VE with his usual exaggeration that mathe turned into a fully fledged scumread. However it's also pretty ballsy timing wise for a scum to just latch onto it like that so there's a lazy town angle to be had.
On August 26 2023 23:59 mathenalin wrote: I really think VE could be onto something with chez. Would actually be a very good lynch at this point
This reads to me like a busser‘s opinion purely off gut. Any own reasons for this read ?
Oh do you think chez is mafia aswell then,
i've got a good feeling that he's mafia.
Here again an instance of enthusiasm that's more townie in my books and it looks like he's all giddy just waiting for a command to cannonball into him some more.
Feels like it's personal to some degree due to outside factors that others could know more about as I can only guess. We should all listen more to commonwealth countries. They already have their atrocities behind them so no need to commit more in the spirit of national superiority.
On August 26 2023 13:38 iamperfection wrote: we go from skirting the rules punk to boy scout punk.
Just anecdotally you seem more on point with these calls this game. Could be a well we just lost a game due to this result punk tho so I'll not say it means anything about him more you though.
I like you better this game.
Hmmmm on point is not the word I would use. Maybe confrontational. It's different not sure better. Pressuring Chez is 100% pointless.
Do you have a way of reading him?
No. Each day just start your vote on Chez and only remove it if you find mafia.
Fair enough, hes done a very poor job handling the pressure so far that im happy to keep it going
On August 27 2023 18:28 mathenalin wrote: VE is pretty disappointing, no one has read him as town which is a bad sign but he hasn't contributed much of note.
This is a stinky post because it took away all credit from VE FOSing Chez when mathe agreed with him.
But also, townie thing to say because it shows that mathe isn't thinking in an allies and enemies dichotomy which mafia often is forced into.
On August 28 2023 04:58 mathenalin wrote: I think VE is a good choice. Hes been lacklustre and his weird vote on me and chez rules reasoning is super terrible. Glad others have confirmed my feeling. Vote: VisceraEyes
Wat^2?
Mathe is in my opinion just a disorganized townie after this read. There's no agenda here just pure-hearted chaos.
On August 31 2023 09:35 Vivax wrote: Hey DP. I'm flattered.
For LS I'll have to check his list and see if it adds up, I only glanced over it for now so let me begin with mathe.
On August 26 2023 23:59 mathenalin wrote: I really think VE could be onto something with chez. Would actually be a very good lynch at this point
This is a hyperbole post in regards to what VE had to say cause nobody who didn't bother like myself didn't try to have an AI figure him out. I could understand the enthusiasm if he would have previously had a town read on VE but nada.
On August 26 2023 21:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Look at how Chezinu squirms once the AI figured him out so hard. As if to say "Hey guys this game I'm going to be extra unpredictable so definitely don't ask if I'm mafia!!!"
I'm fucking watching you Chez. You always think it but it's explicitly stated this game. Your filter has its own window. O > O <
On August 26 2023 21:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Like pregame he was all playing with the AI and now he mentions it in passing and then OH LOOK AT THIS PRETTY PICTURE!!!!
O > O <
On August 26 2023 21:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Hmmmmmm.....that might not wash, right? Because like........acting extra would make the AI MORE likely to think he's mafia if we were to ask.
Whatever. He won't be able to hide for long if he's mafia. Because I'm watching. ALWAYS WATCHING.
At most this was a FoS from VE with his usual exaggeration that mathe turned into a fully fledged scumread. However it's also pretty ballsy timing wise for a scum to just latch onto it like that so there's a lazy town angle to be had.
On August 27 2023 03:20 mathenalin wrote:
On August 27 2023 01:43 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2023 23:59 mathenalin wrote: I really think VE could be onto something with chez. Would actually be a very good lynch at this point
This reads to me like a busser‘s opinion purely off gut. Any own reasons for this read ?
Oh do you think chez is mafia aswell then,
i've got a good feeling that he's mafia.
Here again an instance of enthusiasm that's more townie in my books and it looks like he's all giddy just waiting for a command to cannonball into him some more.
Feels like it's personal to some degree due to outside factors that others could know more about as I can only guess. We should all listen more to commonwealth countries. They already have their atrocities behind them so no need to commit more in the spirit of national superiority.
On August 27 2023 05:20 mathenalin wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:09 Koshi wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:06 mathenalin wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:04 Koshi wrote:
On August 26 2023 13:57 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On August 26 2023 13:38 iamperfection wrote: we go from skirting the rules punk to boy scout punk.
Just anecdotally you seem more on point with these calls this game. Could be a well we just lost a game due to this result punk tho so I'll not say it means anything about him more you though.
I like you better this game.
Hmmmm on point is not the word I would use. Maybe confrontational. It's different not sure better. Pressuring Chez is 100% pointless.
Do you have a way of reading him?
No. Each day just start your vote on Chez and only remove it if you find mafia.
Fair enough, hes done a very poor job handling the pressure so far that im happy to keep it going
Tunnel confirmed.
On August 27 2023 18:28 mathenalin wrote: VE is pretty disappointing, no one has read him as town which is a bad sign but he hasn't contributed much of note.
This is a stinky post because it took away all credit from VE FOSing Chez when mathe agreed with him.
But also, townie thing to say because it shows that mathe isn't thinking in an allies and enemies dichotomy which mafia often is forced into.
On August 28 2023 02:03 mathenalin wrote:
On August 28 2023 01:07 LightningStrike wrote: Also ty Vivax! Turning 29 years old so I getting a bit old now >.<
Rip
Wat?
On August 28 2023 04:58 mathenalin wrote: I think VE is a good choice. Hes been lacklustre and his weird vote on me and chez rules reasoning is super terrible. Glad others have confirmed my feeling. Vote: VisceraEyes
Wat^2?
Mathe is in my opinion just a disorganized townie after this read. There's no agenda here just pure-hearted chaos.
Should I continue?
Why do you think he just left then??
If that's alignment indicative, shouldn't you have voted TTT? I just left too when VE pushed me in TLE 1 when I was doctor but that's cause my need to sleep had priority. It's not AI.
It is when it’s for literally no reason and it completely contradicts the way he was acting before.
On August 31 2023 09:59 JacobStrangelove wrote: Is a double bus strategy where mafia intentionally makes both lynches mafia? If so that's hilarious I have to try it one day. Oh I've just worked it out it's bussing each other nvm.
LS could have tried to push for a Koshi wagon for example with support from DP and even others but right now it might as well be a competition about two mafia on who dies first. Which it kinda looks like.
On August 31 2023 09:59 JacobStrangelove wrote: Is a double bus strategy where mafia intentionally makes both lynches mafia? If so that's hilarious I have to try it one day. Oh I've just worked it out it's bussing each other nvm.
LS could have tried to push for a Koshi wagon for example with support from DP and even others but right now it might as well be a competition about two mafia on who dies first. Which it kinda looks like.
Naw I recon math and ls are never together. That's far too dumb a scenario even for me. Day two there has to be enough mafia pull to at least avoid one being mafia.
The only one who I think could be mafia playing tug-o-war well today is iamperfection but he's a claimed vig so scratch that.
And Koshi. As mafia he knows he can't have DP around when DP is town and also after the rayn kill so he has to go full frontal.
I’m pretty sure that’s what’s happening with koshi.
On August 31 2023 10:29 JacobStrangelove wrote: I still think it's pointless viewing him as scum though un counter claimed and based on the early shot mafia would like to save it so they can surprise kill if not under threat of being lynched.
Which means koshi if mafia is on the same person you're voting for?
If koshi is mafia and ls is mafia koshi set up some conspiracy where I am scum and bussing ls.
Part of me wants to swap wagon last minute though.
On August 31 2023 10:08 Vivax wrote: Mafia Vigilante (At night you may shoot one person. You have only a single shot. If you are role blocked while shooting your shot will not be refunded.)
Reminder
there is no way there would be too much kp going around.
On August 28 2023 15:22 iamperfection wrote: iamperfection - confirmed town
die_meatbaby - some of the posts just come across as genuine. I dont believe a scum wold be suspicious of me after the lynch. Delusional town imo with flawed logic.
DarthPunk Provided content in a dead thread when he didn't have to. Clearly cared about the lynch and appears to be trying to figure things out. Would only revisit late game.
mathenalin There is a quiet confidence in the posts that i expect more from townies. Post 454 seems a bit strange to me to come from scum. It just seems to have an honesty about it. This would be the weakest town read by far i think.
TankTopTiger Im a little confused here. I dont understand much of the day 1 here. Gives me shit for shitting on chez even though he blatantly was playing anti town. I dont uderstand their logic on chez for most of the day though. However seems to diagnose that meat is green in a legitimate way so possibly green.
marvellosity some things bother me. somewhat passive game play. If i die you should lean on him heavily to find scum and if he doesn't kill him. do not let him be lazy under any circumstances. If he says something stupid at any time kill him.
Vivax I dont know seem to do some things to figure things out. The lets make a third wagon thing gave me creeps. keep an eye on
JacobStrangelove i dont know. Lynching for info comments sound really bad to me. could just be a trash tier player
raynpelikoneet I kind of expect a lot more from him has had a bit passivity and it feels like his posting is a tad different from the aborted game. He seemed a bit more aggressive to me there then here. I would treat somewhat similar to the way marv should be treated with lean on him if he says something dumb kill him.
LightningStrike im leaning slightly red here. had several useless posts in a row seems content with reminding everyone its his birthday which if anything makes me want to get him out even more. Takes a lot of soft stances with things as questionable. I dont know if believes anything strongly
Koshi The vote post really bugs me yes i realize he is voting for someone i think is scum how can they be scum togther yada yada but he limps in with it and says hopefully this sparks activity??? The thread had been active at that point seems devoid of understanding of the game and looks like just a scum hop on.
VisceraEyes so many excuses. Apparently works on a Sunday but had time to check in but not be productive with regards to the lynch. Told town to go fuck itself with his post saying he wasnt going to bother fighting it off the so called "mislynch"
On August 31 2023 15:38 TankTopTiger wrote: lmao n1 LS.
New delusion just dropped... that town is winning... The score is actually six town down for one mafia assuming I'm lynched D3. I'm not going to try and convince anyone not to lynch me because I don't really want to be here and I don't see myself as very important to town given the amount of effort I'm willing to put in, but at the very least don't spend this time patting each other on the back for solving the game because I'm telling you now you're wrong.
So IMO, lynch me, but don't play under the assumption I'm red with self-congratulatory connecto cases. When I flip, if I'm red, you can make all the connecto-cases you want.
On August 31 2023 16:49 TankTopTiger wrote: I don't really know. I'm not trying to lead town, that would be mega hubris considering the disparity in investment. But I know town is not doing so hot when I'm lynched, and I think that's the most likely scenario we're in. I'm half convinced Lamp is mafia now just because I can't reconcile his delusional takes with anything but a personality disorder or him padding his highlight reel as mafia by vigging town and confirming himself green off it. Like... It just doesn't make sense to me that he could possibly think he (or town in general) have done anything of note.
Assuming Lamp is town, which was my default assumption before the public masturbation, town has mislynched Chez (which he celebrated), misvigged VE (which he celebrated), and correctly lynched the biggest lynchbait in TL history (which he seems to think guarantees town victory). Nothing that has been done was challenging or insightful. We just killed low contributors and got 1/3 (soon to be 1/4), and that one we did get was basically guaranteed to go down the moment town didn't have strong direction. I'm bent over backwards trying to understand his enthusiasm unless he's actually done something cool which would be trading in red vig for town status (in which case, yeah that's pretty cool).
I'm not even really trying to convince anyone because I don't think I get to catch mastermind plays with so little effort, I just can't get past this nonsense it's like an attention trap. Someone tell me why I'm wrong please for the love of god. Are there setups with both red and green vig?
On August 31 2023 16:21 DarthPunk wrote: I know this is wifom but does anyone actually think I would swap off as mafia?!?!
If anyone can
Is part of the reason you always want to lynch me because of memories of my scum play??
Partly. But also partly because I often don’t get the way you think as town either (Koshi case n1 in endures 1 good example)
Ahah. you don’t get the way I choose to communicate how I think.
Something like that.
Do you think I need to change something??
How could I improve coach?
I’m not criticising. Because guess what, you nailed Copcake d1 the game after. The fact /I/ can’t make sense of everything you do doesn’t mean you should change.
I was being genuine. I think you may have read sarcasm there. I’m always open to feel back from my newbie coach after all.
On August 31 2023 16:21 DarthPunk wrote: I know this is wifom but does anyone actually think I would swap off as mafia?!?!
If anyone can
Is part of the reason you always want to lynch me because of memories of my scum play??
Partly. But also partly because I often don’t get the way you think as town either (Koshi case n1 in endures 1 good example)
Ahah. you don’t get the way I choose to communicate how I think.
Something like that.
Do you think I need to change something??
How could I improve coach?
I’m not criticising. Because guess what, you nailed Copcake d1 the game after. The fact /I/ can’t make sense of everything you do doesn’t mean you should change.
I was being genuine. I think you may have read sarcasm there. I’m always open to feel back from my newbie coach after all.
No I didn’t read sarcasm it’s a compliment, you don’t need me telling you how to play.
On August 30 2023 17:49 DarthPunk wrote: Ok Marv is town I think.
Marv what’s your confidence interval on math should I trust your eyes more than my own here or is it a situation where it’s just a coin toss who is right??
It’s really like this. If math had continued posting like he had been posting all game I’d be sitting here telling you he was town. For aforementioned reasons. I can quote (well I’m not on a pc so I can’t) 5-10 posts I think sound very natural, confident, blasé, however you want to say it - and I think they’re very difficult to post and maintain as mafia.
The problem I’m increasingly coming up against the more I think about it is that he give up post is so incongruent with any of that. He came under pressure and delivered what I thought was a nice defence to the case. But then peaced out.
I’m really struggling to marry the confident, tonally excellent math with the giving up math. It feels like those 2 players can’t be the same person. So maybe they’re just not. It /is/ a lot easier to marry up a math who was only faking confidence etc, had his confidence hit by a lot of pressure, and folded.
I haven’t really got a firm conclusion here tbh which I’d really like to. I’m not 80% on him anyway.
^
Yeah I remember.
I falsely added you in my mind to the group of people who were saying he looked good due to wagonomics.
On August 31 2023 16:49 TankTopTiger wrote: I don't really know. I'm not trying to lead town, that would be mega hubris considering the disparity in investment. But I know town is not doing so hot when I'm lynched, and I think that's the most likely scenario we're in. I'm half convinced Lamp is mafia now just because I can't reconcile his delusional takes with anything but a personality disorder or him padding his highlight reel as mafia by vigging town and confirming himself green off it. Like... It just doesn't make sense to me that he could possibly think he (or town in general) have done anything of note.
Assuming Lamp is town, which was my default assumption before the public masturbation, town has mislynched Chez (which he celebrated), misvigged VE (which he celebrated), and correctly lynched the biggest lynchbait in TL history (which he seems to think guarantees town victory). Nothing that has been done was challenging or insightful. We just killed low contributors and got 1/3 (soon to be 1/4), and that one we did get was basically guaranteed to go down the moment town didn't have strong direction. I'm bent over backwards trying to understand his enthusiasm unless he's actually done something cool which would be trading in red vig for town status (in which case, yeah that's pretty cool).
I'm not even really trying to convince anyone because I don't think I get to catch mastermind plays with so little effort, I just can't get past this nonsense it's like an attention trap. Someone tell me why I'm wrong please for the love of god. Are there setups with both red and green vig?
This is town TTT btw.
He’s not a good lynch here
Why
This is just not something he could ever do as mafia.
The emotional congruence of a defeated townie, plus his feelings on you of disdain mixed with suspicion and more defeat.
It’s an emotional cocktail I don’t think he could fake pretty much ever.
On August 31 2023 16:49 TankTopTiger wrote: I don't really know. I'm not trying to lead town, that would be mega hubris considering the disparity in investment. But I know town is not doing so hot when I'm lynched, and I think that's the most likely scenario we're in. I'm half convinced Lamp is mafia now just because I can't reconcile his delusional takes with anything but a personality disorder or him padding his highlight reel as mafia by vigging town and confirming himself green off it. Like... It just doesn't make sense to me that he could possibly think he (or town in general) have done anything of note.
Assuming Lamp is town, which was my default assumption before the public masturbation, town has mislynched Chez (which he celebrated), misvigged VE (which he celebrated), and correctly lynched the biggest lynchbait in TL history (which he seems to think guarantees town victory). Nothing that has been done was challenging or insightful. We just killed low contributors and got 1/3 (soon to be 1/4), and that one we did get was basically guaranteed to go down the moment town didn't have strong direction. I'm bent over backwards trying to understand his enthusiasm unless he's actually done something cool which would be trading in red vig for town status (in which case, yeah that's pretty cool).
I'm not even really trying to convince anyone because I don't think I get to catch mastermind plays with so little effort, I just can't get past this nonsense it's like an attention trap. Someone tell me why I'm wrong please for the love of god. Are there setups with both red and green vig?
This is town TTT btw.
He’s not a good lynch here
Why
This is just not something he could ever do as mafia.
The emotional congruence of a defeated townie, plus his feelings on you of disdain mixed with suspicion and more defeat.
It’s an emotional cocktail I don’t think he could fake pretty much ever.
why do you think this anyways? is he incapable of lying ? his posts during the night phase seem to me feigning contribution by wasting time on thinking about me while doing no scum hunting.
I just think that this emotional congruence/defeat/quitting is a direction that he wouldn't take as mafia because it wouldn't realistically occur to him to try it and not something he would think was an interesting way to play as mafia regardless.
TTT will play games because he want's to explore a certain way of playing even if it means he will lose.
I can see him trying a bunch of approaches as mafia, but not this one and I think he won't do whatever it takes to win if it stylistically is not interested.
Marv: If he is mafia he deserves the victory and I will happily lose to him. Someone worth working with. His reads are important to pay attention to if you are town.
Town
Iamperfection: He is probably town due to differences from last game and the Vig shot. It is definitely possible for him to pull off the VE shot as a mafia Vig, but I'm not sure they would have a vig and roleblocker anyway.
He has been lazier and less effective recently but that could also be because he feels so confident in his town status.
Vivax: He has seemed pretty townie to me ever since our fight day one, and he recruited DMB to vote for LS which would be a next level bus manoeuvre as mafia. Needs to step up and be more curious, buttown for now.
TTT See my reasons above, I can see he is slowly getting more engaged recently, hopefully he can thrive later with less pressure and more information.
Null: DMB: Big downgrade here, she has not really been the insightful, productive scumhunter that I know she can be. is being town read for reasons that I don't believe are enough. I guess i would want vivax's input here also.
Math nothing about his play makes me think he is town except for his interactions early with LS. Looks worse and worse as time goes on..
Mafia:
JSL:
Trolling and wifom has been the main elements of his play, the only time i really felt he was invested in a lynch in a genuine way was when he tried to lynch math over LS last minute.
LS calling him dodgy and then defending him straight afterwards is a weird association, particularly because I feel like LS usually just dick rides stronger players he knows well, rather than a random troll voting newbie.
Koshi
Nothing about him is town, his case reads like a classic case that is trying to lynch a target than a true attempt at discerning alignments, deciding on a lynch and then reading a filter, instead of reading a filter and deciding a lynch is a dead giveaway and kind of a slip.
He usually insightful and useful as town, usually more engaged, usually more invested.
Lynch with fire and extreme prejudice.
Koshi first always, then one of JSL MATH DMB in that order imo.
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Oh look starting us off early is JSL coming in hard and deep on LS, I've never seen such piston action. Look it's inspired the other Math and Koshi and jumping right in there! It's not a threeway without four people as I always say.
Oh look there's marve sauntering in bringing TTT in chains, JSL's adhd has gotten the better of him and he's wandered over as well.
Not willing to let a hole go unfilled Vivax goes over to LS to continue the degredation. "I think he's looking for those bonus sloppy seconds points Grack"
"Indeed he could be... Oh look what's this Math has entered the room and Immeditally JSL and Perfection sprint at him. They're like rabbits in heat JSL must be going for a triple but no! Perfection sneaks in just before him and the crowd goes wild"
"That'll be a lot of points lost not getting three in a row first, Rookie error from the former heavyweight champion"
"Dp joins in for some DP of math" Things are heating up in the fuckerdome.
Marv decides he's had enough of whipping TTT and moves over to LS instead oh boy never have I seen one man take so much dick.
"OH WATCH OUT WATCH OUT RKO DIE BABY OUT OF NO WHERE JUMPS ON DIE BABY"S DICK RIGHT AS HE"S COMING" "That's a pro gamer move if I've ever seen it, Oh there she goes she's slapping him now!"
Viavx shouts from across the room hey another one get the combo and die baby immeditally runs over to start fucking LS
"Those team points there for the win, If the Die Vivax team make to to regionals this year they're sure to be a hot contender" "They surely have the Talents to make it"
JSL starts pleading with others to fuck Math instead. "My dick can't take it much longer but I need the extra orgy points"
Dp decides he's had enough of LS and agree's that it's better JSL gets the points than that whore Koshi who's currently in second place and there's two many people and he isn't getting enough time so he moves over to math instead and sticks it in his ear. "Any Whole's a goal as they say"
Perfection decides this his his moment. and goes back to fucking LS.
"Sadly while LS did a lot of work and performed admirably as cumslut he Just was too far behind in points after the first event and didn't make up enough points to make it to round three."
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Oh look starting us off early is JSL coming in hard and deep on LS, I've never seen such piston action. Look it's inspired the other Math and Koshi and jumping right in there! It's not a threeway without four people as I always say.
Oh look there's marve sauntering in bringing TTT in chains, JSL's adhd has gotten the better of him and he's wandered over as well.
Not willing to let a hole go unfilled Vivax goes over to LS to continue the degredation. "I think he's looking for those bonus sloppy seconds points Grack"
"Indeed he could be... Oh look what's this Math has entered the room and Immeditally JSL and Perfection sprint at him. They're like rabbits in heat JSL must be going for a triple but no! Perfection sneaks in just before him and the crowd goes wild"
"That'll be a lot of points lost not getting three in a row first, Rookie error from the former heavyweight champion"
"Dp joins in for some DP of math" Things are heating up in the fuckerdome.
Marv decides he's had enough of whipping TTT and moves over to LS instead oh boy never have I seen one man take so much dick.
"OH WATCH OUT WATCH OUT RKO DIE BABY OUT OF NO WHERE JUMPS ON DIE BABY"S DICK RIGHT AS HE"S COMING" "That's a pro gamer move if I've ever seen it, Oh there she goes she's slapping him now!"
Viavx shouts from across the room hey another one get the combo and die baby immeditally runs over to start fucking LS
"Those team points there for the win, If the Die Vivax team make to to regionals this year they're sure to be a hot contender" "They surely have the Talents to make it"
JSL starts pleading with others to fuck Math instead. "My dick can't take it much longer but I need the extra orgy points"
Dp decides he's had enough of LS and agree's that it's better JSL gets the points than that whore Koshi who's currently in second place and there's two many people and he isn't getting enough time so he moves over to math instead and sticks it in his ear. "Any Whole's a goal as they say"
Perfection decides this his his moment. and goes back to fucking LS.
"Sadly while LS did a lot of work and performed admirably as cumslut he Just was too far behind in points after the first event and didn't make up enough points to make it to round three."
Jacob what do you mean by sexy cop here??
you know. you dont have to say everything you see right.
On September 01 2023 11:17 JacobStrangelove wrote: And vivax as well tbh after die baby dying I think he's very town. Why does die baby dying implicate him in your opinion dp.
Also do you still think ttt is town?
Cause they live together and it would be hard to pretend at home.
On August 29 2023 22:55 LightningStrike wrote: JSL it's because I am one of the most lynched people in TL Mafia history so I am not surprised there isn't much resistance.
What do you plan on doing about it?
Just trying to post and giving thoughts and fight it obviously.
What do you think of marv
Marv not exactly hard pushing things is a bit concerning but he been giving his thoughts every time he was around. But him voting TTT over me in that situation is ???? A slight scum read atm I do want him to explain more so why he voting TTT over me even though he admitted about the circumstances for me and TTT.
What you are saying is that you townread TTT more than you townread yourself? Good stuff.
No I just wanting an explanation and iamp brought up that as a very good point actually.
I was joking. Just weird that you see yourself as a more logical lynch than somebody else but TTT is your biggest (?) townread so I guess it somewhat checks out.
On September 01 2023 15:02 TankTopTiger wrote:e between games.
Secondly and building off that, Jacob is never wrong. Never wrong wrong anyway. Jacob always always always hedges every bet to the extent he's got every base covered. When you add up all of the things he says they're supposed to add up to nothing by design. He's never very right but he's never wrong. He's so open-minded one must assume ample gyri or his brain would slip out his ear. For him to be judgemental about the DMB NK doesn't make sense because Jacob is just too chill for that.
Jacob tell me you're not too chill for that?
But this sort of thing does make sense to me for a jacob who just took a shot at DMB being blue, thinking it'll look stupid if he's wrong and then finding that to be the case. I don't really see why else he would end up talking about it because he's too nice by default to just randomly start sledging. At his core Jacob desparately wants everyone to get along. It's not like him to shit on DMB and the scum team simultaneously unless he feels pressured toward that sort of behaviour.
Yeah normally. I just got vibes that DP was like hmm smart kill scum and if he was scum that's exactly the kinda egotistical behaviour I would expect him to think he could get away with so was pushing on the ego button to see if he would bite at all if it was him. Gonna re read it all later.
Also legit thought it was a bit of a strange kill because in theory for me DMB was a big question mark and I feel like it kinda solves the game or it should. (at least after this day happens) I've been a bit burnt out so I haven't gone back to see how it exactly does but I get the vibe if I look for a bit it'll all make sense. At the very least after the next lynch it will.
Also I'm posting way to fast and open for my mafia play. Don't get me wrong I shit up the thread and troll and do weird things as mafia but they're all pre checked in a document for scum tells and I've just been spam posting thoughts which I don't think I do as mafia.
I like the. Dmb nk. analysis In a way. It does kind of solve the game unless we are very very wrong.
But mafia tend to think townies look better than they are kind of why it’s hard for them to make cases and develop scum reads so they probs thought dmb was obv town.
Or it’s TTT + koshi and they needed ttt to get to endgame.
On September 01 2023 17:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Re: Koshi
I'm more confident of my read on JSL and would prefer them to be lynched first, but Koshi would be next. I just feel like JSL doesn't require filtering, whereas I haven't really followed the case on Koshi and am mostly going off of the shift in tone from early to later (he was annoyingly chipper early on, but that has well and truly been stomped out of him), the desperate tone of his case on DP, along with the lack of substance I felt from said case given he pushed it out in five parts. It felt like he wanted to be able to say he'd written a five-part case, but the case didn't warrant that magnitude and by the end I was kind of confused why he wrote it in the first place.
So I want JSL over Koshi, I'm a lot more involved with it, but so long as they both go down I don't mind.
Well koshi self voted at this point so probably a better lynch at this point.
On September 01 2023 17:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Re: Koshi
I'm more confident of my read on JSL and would prefer them to be lynched first, but Koshi would be next. I just feel like JSL doesn't require filtering, whereas I haven't really followed the case on Koshi and am mostly going off of the shift in tone from early to later (he was annoyingly chipper early on, but that has well and truly been stomped out of him), the desperate tone of his case on DP, along with the lack of substance I felt from said case given he pushed it out in five parts. It felt like he wanted to be able to say he'd written a five-part case, but the case didn't warrant that magnitude and by the end I was kind of confused why he wrote it in the first place.
So I want JSL over Koshi, I'm a lot more involved with it, but so long as they both go down I don't mind.
Your summary of the case by koshi and change is basically the reason he is mafia.
Along with the fact that usually it’s obvious he is town.
On September 01 2023 17:33 TankTopTiger wrote: I'm okay with Koshi lynch, I don't know them so I don't know how to interpret that action and trust you guys more.
From my limited perspective, he came in with a gimmick of wanting to hurrycurry to give himself more meta range. That doesn't work if he does it as red. But if you guys agree with each other it's more than that I'm down.
He kind of walked it back here and there though I thought.
I also think, if you are town. the ‘weird’ energy you are detecting from me could be a product of the level of energy you have yourself and the way you are currently feeling about the game.
But I also want you to answer Marv so won’t delve deeper than that at this point.
The reason I think he is mafia is due to the fact that he really seemed to give a shit about the lynch out of nowhere eod2 and we were lynching mafia who he in fact voted.
For me I always do that shit (especially when I’m ok with both lynches)
On September 01 2023 18:11 TankTopTiger wrote: Oh so it's the DP thing. I guess you're the one I've entrusted with him so I'll give you a splurge.
It's a lot of personal stuff that isn't really verifiable and tbh I'd have to go back and reread the initial incident to give exact details anyway. The main thing when he was drilling me was the complete lack of hesitation. In Endurance II I was town and he wanted to lynch me but was tearing himself apart over it so bad I felt like scum. I didn't really have any reads beyond CC iirc (I don't remember the exact point), and he felt that it was unlike me not to have contributed much (same tune as this game). But he was so anxious about being the person that led a mislynch he couldn't do it. He also did similar things to other players, not just me. He was a mess, and I leaned into it as town to survive, much like I eventually did this game. But this game, it was more forced because I put him in an awkward position when I flipped because then all the personal shit I said, the references to personal conversations etc., they came from a confirmed town. So to me, him eventually giving me some charity was something I had to twist his arm to do if he wanted to not be shot to shit after I went down.
One example of a conversation he conveniently forgot in order to suspect me, was one where I had corrected his misremembering of Endurance II. He thought that I'd been pretty solid the whole way through, but in fact, I was almost dying the entire time and only survived one lynch because someone (I believe Slam) forgot to vote. DP acknowledged he'd misremembered it, but then completely erased this from his memory in order to bludgeon me with "you should have contributed by now". So both DMB and DP feel I should do better because of E1, and sort of ignored E2, but DP should know better because I know I've already told him.
More recently, when he described how I set myself parameters, this felt placatory, like I was being Forer'd. I do happen to agree somewhat with the assessment overall, but it wasn't specific enough and didn't really feel like it was an alignment indicative read. He said as scum I'd sacrifice win percent in order to win the way I want. This is true, but I do that as town too. Hell rn I'm not filter diving and I'm flaming idiots. These parametres arose as town organically as a way to keep myself posting. But I go into every game with some idea of how I want to play before I read my role.
So he felt too eager to lynch me early, and too eager to forgive me later. I expect myself to be pretty biased given I was attacked by someone I feel should have every reason not to (team straya has done real well for ourselves these last two games by finding a way to verify and trust each other), so take it with a pinch of salt. I don't trust myself to be objective about it so I'm comparmentalising to a pathological degree.
Yeah, okay. Read this a couple times and it doesn’t feel forced.
On September 01 2023 19:23 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay boys I'm feeling it. We march on Koshi.
After Koshi, unless there's a drastic turn, I want JSL before anyone else. I'm not sure why DP is acting as if that hateful disrespect post from JSL was anything less than a signed confession, but it's going to take a lot for me to consider anyone above them.
It was a dumb trap for me though, he has been doing it all game
On September 01 2023 18:11 TankTopTiger wrote: Oh so it's the DP thing. I guess you're the one I've entrusted with him so I'll give you a splurge.
It's a lot of personal stuff that isn't really verifiable and tbh I'd have to go back and reread the initial incident to give exact details anyway. The main thing when he was drilling me was the complete lack of hesitation. In Endurance II I was town and he wanted to lynch me but was tearing himself apart over it so bad I felt like scum. I didn't really have any reads beyond CC iirc (I don't remember the exact point), and he felt that it was unlike me not to have contributed much (same tune as this game). But he was so anxious about being the person that led a mislynch he couldn't do it. He also did similar things to other players, not just me. He was a mess, and I leaned into it as town to survive, much like I eventually did this game. But this game, it was more forced because I put him in an awkward position when I flipped because then all the personal shit I said, the references to personal conversations etc., they came from a confirmed town. So to me, him eventually giving me some charity was something I had to twist his arm to do if he wanted to not be shot to shit after I went down.
One example of a conversation he conveniently forgot in order to suspect me, was one where I had corrected his misremembering of Endurance II. He thought that I'd been pretty solid the whole way through, but in fact, I was almost dying the entire time and only survived one lynch because someone (I believe Slam) forgot to vote. DP acknowledged he'd misremembered it, but then completely erased this from his memory in order to bludgeon me with "you should have contributed by now". So both DMB and DP feel I should do better because of E1, and sort of ignored E2, but DP should know better because I know I've already told him.
More recently, when he described how I set myself parameters, this felt placatory, like I was being Forer'd. I do happen to agree somewhat with the assessment overall, but it wasn't specific enough and didn't really feel like it was an alignment indicative read. He said as scum I'd sacrifice win percent in order to win the way I want. This is true, but I do that as town too. Hell rn I'm not filter diving and I'm flaming idiots. These parametres arose as town organically as a way to keep myself posting. But I go into every game with some idea of how I want to play before I read my role.
So he felt too eager to lynch me early, and too eager to forgive me later. I expect myself to be pretty biased given I was attacked by someone I feel should have every reason not to (team straya has done real well for ourselves these last two games by finding a way to verify and trust each other), so take it with a pinch of salt. I don't trust myself to be objective about it so I'm comparmentalising to a pathological degree.
Yeah, okay. Read this a couple times and it doesn’t feel forced.
On September 01 2023 19:25 TankTopTiger wrote: Sorry can you explain the trap for you?
Math I remember making one terrible terrible bad post very early on, but otherwise haven't paid much attention. The one that Vivax thought was a bussing.
He thinks if I am mafia I will have an emotional reaction to the shot being called bad due to my enormous ego.
On September 02 2023 18:37 marvellosity wrote: I suppose I should say this now - I am travelling today, then going to England - NZ T20 cricket at Edgbaston tomorrow and back Monday. So Sunday especially is gonna be atrocious for me
Cop should check perfection for late game insurance because he can’t be vig and gf at the same time, so it’s the only sensible check, as there is likely a godfather if perfection is not the mafia vig.
On September 03 2023 16:18 TankTopTiger wrote: I read Jacob making the same mistake, assumed he was just being dumb, then proceeded to do the exact same thing. I'm pretty smart like that. Possibly PotG.
Is it still a townslip if we assume mafia QT is dead?
it's less a townslip when pointed out, but I think mafia ARE more likely to know about the phases of the game.
On September 03 2023 16:28 marvellosity wrote: Let’s get the fabled 3 in a row?!
Day 2 makes by far the most sense if math is mafia. Mafia are up shit creek and the lynch is so close because maf can’t deflect off either. math votes LS because he would be auto-dead on d3 with his vote literally anywhere else. Maybe they didn’t expect Koshi to go so wrong so fast
On September 03 2023 17:28 marvellosity wrote: After a pretty atrocious British summer, looks like I have a lovely warm sunny day for the cricket today…
On August 26 2023 16:22 mathenalin wrote: I really enjoyed playing last game , didnt make a total hash of d1. Scum hunting was poor but I found a few townies. I don't know how i would have continued in the later part of the day, would I have switched to TTT or mislynched LS.
On August 27 2023 13:07 TankTopTiger wrote: I asked DMB.
I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on.
Icky
If you are around, would be interested to see where your thoughts are at this point.
Yeh im around.
I need to go over a few bits again but some highlights to me.
Your push on vivax was the most memorable. I haven't decided if vivax was "caught out" or just being obtuse and confrontational with you , there's a lot of headspace talk that i dont understand. I do like that you are back in the thread and pushing , game has felt directionless
I read ttt's explanation of his only friend comment. Its a pretty obvious "play". does mafia make plays though, he certainly seems different to last game.
There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble.
Last game marv and rayn were both town and it felt we made good progress. This game rayn has activity issues which I get but i havent felt the same drive or well thought out comments from either. Something to keep an eye on.
LS has been pretty AFK again with a weirdly reasoned read. Apparently that is normal LS according to marv. But i havent seen emotional involvement and he only responds when his name gets pinged so i don't like him.
It seems like i need to form an opinion on iamp and jacob if i want to get a feel for some other players. Prioritising that next unless you have other questions
Why does he not mention Koshi at all here?
Particularly as he interacts with him more than anyone else prior to this.
I tend to agree the interaction with Koshi and LS at the start comes off as him forcing himself to interact with his teammates.
On August 27 2023 13:07 TankTopTiger wrote: I asked DMB.
I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on.
Icky
If you are around, would be interested to see where your thoughts are at this point.
Yeh im around.
I need to go over a few bits again but some highlights to me.
Your push on vivax was the most memorable. I haven't decided if vivax was "caught out" or just being obtuse and confrontational with you , there's a lot of headspace talk that i dont understand. I do like that you are back in the thread and pushing , game has felt directionless
I read ttt's explanation of his only friend comment. Its a pretty obvious "play". does mafia make plays though, he certainly seems different to last game.
There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble.
Last game marv and rayn were both town and it felt we made good progress. This game rayn has activity issues which I get but i havent felt the same drive or well thought out comments from either. Something to keep an eye on.
LS has been pretty AFK again with a weirdly reasoned read. Apparently that is normal LS according to marv. But i havent seen emotional involvement and he only responds when his name gets pinged so i don't like him.
It seems like i need to form an opinion on iamp and jacob if i want to get a feel for some other players. Prioritising that next unless you have other questions
If you had to lynch someone that is not Chezinu right now who would it be?
Any thoughts on Koshi?
Thanks for the post :D
No thoughts on Koshi but i haven't really tried, same with VE i suppose.
LS would be my next lynch choice
Yeah, this still is bad. Tried to have thoughts, townies just have thoughts.
and why none on Koshi? what was the interaction about then?
I think we are in a kind of 3 worlds situation in which 1 of 3 scenario's is the actual reality of the game and our job over the coming days is to work out which world we are living in.
I will outline these scenarios in order of likelihood (in my opinion)
Scenario 1 - Scum team collapse
This scenario basically assumes that the scum team suffered a catastrophic collapse for a variety of reasons. They have no thread control, are not able to find and push mis lynches and their team morale is in the gutter so nobody is trying.
I still think that this is a likely scenario because mathenalin is looking 'classically scummy' and clearly doesn't care about solving the game.
Issues with this is that if the scum team are just self voting one by one, first Koshi, then Math why have they not just conceded the game.
Maybe it is as Marv says, they are relying on us to WIFOM ourselves out of the obvious lynches and rely on us fucking up super badly in order to win.
I guess if this scenario is true we lynch math and then reassess (other option that fits is TTT but I think he is town)
Scenario 2 - Double Bus Gambit
This scenario is most likely if Mathenalin flips town.
Basically we have had a Goon and Mafia RB flip. There is a large chance that they have a GF remaining.
In this scenario LS was bussed because it was only a matter of time until he was lynched, and Koshi decided after failing to gain any traction and looking very scummy after his push on me that he was not able to recover and/or that attempting to not lynch Koshi was basically a scum claim for the remaining Mafioso.
So the GF lynches LS, lynches Koshi and tries to get to end game, not fearing a check.
This is probably the most dangerous scenario for town.
I think in this situation the remaining scum sit in the Marv/Vivax/JSL group. for various reasons which i will outline below.
JSL: this is fairly straightforward, he has been consistently scummy all game, TTT is strong reading him scum, I hated the way he only really cared about the lynch when he was trying to move people off of LS and onto math (in the world where math is town.) there have been a few occasions where things felt manufactured rather than genuine from him honestly i have been back and forth on him all game.
Marv: This would be the most personally upsetting result, cause if he is mafia he is channelling his old skills and pocketed me really hard. There are some good reasons to think Marv is mafia even though he seems quite reasonable and townie.
1.) I analyzed his voting patterns and it makes me nervous, for example: I sheeped his LS read but he was one of the last people on the wagon, after me, and the wagon had a lot of momentum when he got on. He also only voted for Koshi 20 minutes after Koshi self voted. Which makes me wonder if they discussed how they would handle Koshi in the scum discord. I guess when I looked at the voting patterns the concern was that there was a dissonance between marv's position on votes and his actually voting.
2.) There are a lot of metrics that align with his scum play, for example, I am on track to double his post count, he has been outposted by JSL and Perfection. (could be IRL but also tracks with his engagement levels as scum vs as town) He has also been more amiable, which is something that I associate with his mafia play more than his town play.
There is nothing that really jumps out at me that makes him mafia, but if he is trying as mafia it really wouldn't
Vivax: DMB NK, generally looking less town as time goes on, less curious than I would expect. He looks really good for getting DMB to secure the LS lynch, but that is also a bus play that I would expect, particularly if he was needing to manage the image of people.
Scenario 3 - Mafia Vig
This is basically the least concerning and most verifiable scenario.
The idea is that Perfection shot VE (a potentially strong player) while VE's stock was low and claimed vig in order to play the long game.
in this instance because the goon and RB have flipped, there cannot be a GF and Mafia Vig at the same time, COP should check here to eliminate this scenario.
I don't think this is very likely but should be eliminated for clarity.
Where to from here:
I think we lynch Mathenalin and either win the game or eliminate scenario 1.
if he flips town
Consider Scenario 2 (hopefully blue claim can help at some point): I like marv or JSL as mafia in this scenario, probably marv is most likely.
Consider Scenario 3 only if you happen to get a red check on Perfection
If you are town: and I am killed and you need to figure out Scenario 2 without me, you will need to have some thread presence to get it done. That means you actually need to push activity and make yourself obviously town, you will need to find the reasons the last mafia is mafia and make it clear to the others.
On September 03 2023 11:23 JacobStrangelove wrote: Oh actually voting Math in the thread right now.
I think with the Koshi Lynch we are now...
6 Town 1 Scum in the worst case 5 town 1 scum after the night if no medic (just went back and checked LS was roleblocker so likely no mafia vig, plus too much kp in the game if mafia and town vig I imagine) so I can happily trade one for one with Math.
Then if it's not Math it'll be down to 4-1 or 3-1 after the night so we can mylynch twice and be fine.
Although if it's not math and then I die because fair enough at that point assume iper dies as some point during the night.
In that post you assumed perfection was dying, when to me that was not a safe assumption (I am really surprised marv and I are alive TBH) so I am voting you based on that for now.
On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight. Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it.
If the fight is forced between DP and Vivax but you’re not scumreading either, what’s the angle?
[QUOTE]On August 27 2023 21:41 marvellosity wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight. Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On August 27 2023 21:48 LightningStrike wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2023 21:41 marvellosity wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight. Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it.[/QUOTE] If the fight is forced between DP and Vivax but you’re not scumreading either, what’s the angle?[/QUOTE] I didn't say anything about Vivax directly though? But on Vivax though parts of it reminds how he normally plays which very tinfoily but partly not playing like that too.[/QUOTE]
On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight. Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it.
If the fight is forced between DP and Vivax but you’re not scumreading either, what’s the angle?
On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight. Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it.
On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight. Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it.
If the fight is forced between DP and Vivax but you’re not scumreading either, what’s the angle?
I didn't say anything about Vivax directly though? But on Vivax though parts of it reminds how he normally plays which very tinfoily but partly not playing like that too.
On September 03 2023 23:28 Vivax wrote: They probably killed DMB to save her from a possible mislynch and the story that would accompany it. The real important question right now is whose butt is on the line to be pillaged.
On September 03 2023 23:28 Vivax wrote: They probably killed DMB to save her from a possible mislynch and the story that would accompany it. The real important question right now is whose butt is on the line to be pillaged.
This makes no sense at all btw.
I think he's taking about the bisexual posting which sadly I've been to busy to do but it's coming.
On September 04 2023 20:42 Vivax wrote: You should have had lazer focus on that night‘s eve already. Problem is you are not fully aware of the current public opinion.
I went into this day believing JS was the last but am now reconsidering.
On September 04 2023 20:42 Vivax wrote: You should have had lazer focus on that night‘s eve already. Problem is you are not fully aware of the current public opinion.
I went into this day believing JS was the last but am now reconsidering.
You calling me mafia?
Not yet. I planned on going into this day voting JS. I think that what you are doing is mosly posturing so it‘s capable of influencing my read on you.
It‘s mostly a PoE-read of mine after I wrote off TTT + Mathe.
On September 04 2023 20:42 Vivax wrote: You should have had lazer focus on that night‘s eve already. Problem is you are not fully aware of the current public opinion.
I went into this day believing JS was the last but am now reconsidering.
You calling me mafia?
Not yet. I planned on going into this day voting JS. I think that what you are doing is mosly posturing so it‘s capable of influencing my read on you.
It‘s mostly a PoE-read of mine after I wrote off TTT + Mathe.
What about Marv??
Why not math or ttt??
Check Koshi and LS for spew and wifom reads. Koshi‘s is avoidant of JS and LS I need to reread but he had marv fully red.
On September 04 2023 23:14 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On September 04 2023 23:12 Vivax wrote:
On September 04 2023 23:11 TankTopTiger wrote: Re: Vivax JSL called the scum team dumb for shooting DMB.
Jacob is basically the nicest goofiest person you will ever meet, so this was really off. Jacob claims it was a trap to get DP to get prickly if he was scum (as JSL would be calling him stupid).
TBH I've cooled it a lot on the read, and probably prefer Math first now. Jacob thinks I'm tunneling him but it's more like I'm wanting to get him to straighten out and make sense - which doesn't look like is going to happen.
So you got angry about it in DP's stead?
Why is he shielding you?
Yeah I don't think there's four mafia though so like the whole DP TTT shielding each other i'm not sure where you're going with it.
I want to know if there's a realistic chance that he can be voted without bias from his acquaintances.
TTT? Yeah. I want to win more than I want to not lynch my irl friends
On September 05 2023 06:51 JacobStrangelove wrote: I think you might be over doing it in trying to solve the game in the theoretical. There's like we should be just lynching the person who makes the most sense.
On September 05 2023 03:10 marvellosity wrote: I think it’s just going to be math here. I can find good reasons why everybody else looks town. Vivax isn’t playing like when he was mafia, there’s so many punctuations of well thought through analysis that was completely absent in that game. DP’s night post I could follow the thought process top to bottom. TTT (as DP would put it) has a few very emotionally congruent posts. And Jakey has kept up his style the whole game, isn’t flagging - the simplest explanation is actually that he’s actually town and the ‘goofy’ things he’s done are just exactly that. I just don’t have the same shit to hang my hat on with math. The vote on LS was the only move he could make there
Condensed everything down because that’s what my time allows, just wanted to get where I’m at out there
On September 05 2023 06:56 JacobStrangelove wrote: Like are you worried we'll lynch you over him tomorrow? I can almost assure you that won't happen unless something comes up that gives us a good reason to do it. It just so happens that we're all still here. We're more than capable of lynching each other if scum (or I'd town tbh )don't you worry.
I want to get the win and not fuck up. That’s all.
On September 04 2023 10:57 DarthPunk wrote: DP's GameFAQ's Endgame walkthrough version 1.0
Obligatory before I maybe get killed post:
I think we are in a kind of 3 worlds situation in which 1 of 3 scenario's is the actual reality of the game and our job over the coming days is to work out which world we are living in.
I will outline these scenarios in order of likelihood (in my opinion)
Scenario 1 - Scum team collapse
This scenario basically assumes that the scum team suffered a catastrophic collapse for a variety of reasons. They have no thread control, are not able to find and push mis lynches and their team morale is in the gutter so nobody is trying.
I still think that this is a likely scenario because mathenalin is looking 'classically scummy' and clearly doesn't care about solving the game.
Issues with this is that if the scum team are just self voting one by one, first Koshi, then Math why have they not just conceded the game.
Maybe it is as Marv says, they are relying on us to WIFOM ourselves out of the obvious lynches and rely on us fucking up super badly in order to win.
I guess if this scenario is true we lynch math and then reassess (other option that fits is TTT but I think he is town)
Scenario 2 - Double Bus Gambit
This scenario is most likely if Mathenalin flips town.
Basically we have had a Goon and Mafia RB flip. There is a large chance that they have a GF remaining.
In this scenario LS was bussed because it was only a matter of time until he was lynched, and Koshi decided after failing to gain any traction and looking very scummy after his push on me that he was not able to recover and/or that attempting to not lynch Koshi was basically a scum claim for the remaining Mafioso.
So the GF lynches LS, lynches Koshi and tries to get to end game, not fearing a check.
This is probably the most dangerous scenario for town.
I think in this situation the remaining scum sit in the Marv/Vivax/JSL group. for various reasons which i will outline below.
JSL: this is fairly straightforward, he has been consistently scummy all game, TTT is strong reading him scum, I hated the way he only really cared about the lynch when he was trying to move people off of LS and onto math (in the world where math is town.) there have been a few occasions where things felt manufactured rather than genuine from him honestly i have been back and forth on him all game.
Marv: This would be the most personally upsetting result, cause if he is mafia he is channelling his old skills and pocketed me really hard. There are some good reasons to think Marv is mafia even though he seems quite reasonable and townie.
1.) I analyzed his voting patterns and it makes me nervous, for example: I sheeped his LS read but he was one of the last people on the wagon, after me, and the wagon had a lot of momentum when he got on. He also only voted for Koshi 20 minutes after Koshi self voted. Which makes me wonder if they discussed how they would handle Koshi in the scum discord. I guess when I looked at the voting patterns the concern was that there was a dissonance between marv's position on votes and his actually voting.
2.) There are a lot of metrics that align with his scum play, for example, I am on track to double his post count, he has been outposted by JSL and Perfection. (could be IRL but also tracks with his engagement levels as scum vs as town) He has also been more amiable, which is something that I associate with his mafia play more than his town play.
There is nothing that really jumps out at me that makes him mafia, but if he is trying as mafia it really wouldn't
Vivax: DMB NK, generally looking less town as time goes on, less curious than I would expect. He looks really good for getting DMB to secure the LS lynch, but that is also a bus play that I would expect, particularly if he was needing to manage the image of people.
Scenario 3 - Mafia Vig
This is basically the least concerning and most verifiable scenario.
The idea is that Perfection shot VE (a potentially strong player) while VE's stock was low and claimed vig in order to play the long game.
in this instance because the goon and RB have flipped, there cannot be a GF and Mafia Vig at the same time, COP should check here to eliminate this scenario.
I don't think this is very likely but should be eliminated for clarity.
Where to from here:
I think we lynch Mathenalin and either win the game or eliminate scenario 1.
if he flips town
Consider Scenario 2 (hopefully blue claim can help at some point): I like marv or JSL as mafia in this scenario, probably marv is most likely.
Consider Scenario 3 only if you happen to get a red check on Perfection
If you are town: and I am killed and you need to figure out Scenario 2 without me, you will need to have some thread presence to get it done. That means you actually need to push activity and make yourself obviously town, you will need to find the reasons the last mafia is mafia and make it clear to the others.
On September 05 2023 17:30 TankTopTiger wrote: My biggest reservation about Math is that he should have conceded if he was giving up, rather than fucking us all around. I don't think scum Math drops off the face of the earth and doesn't concede. At the same time, I think that's a toxic precedent to set whereby scummers can just disappear and have all heat dropped because "they should have conceded".
His approach to the game seemed 'honest', I don't really expect him to pretend to not have time.
Yeah, it's kind of unfair but I think the same way.
On September 05 2023 18:12 TankTopTiger wrote: I don't think I've seen Jacob play as mafia, but my assumption would be that, like you and I, Jacob would try to play in a way that he thinks he can perform as either alignment. So I project from this assumption that Jacob himself thinks he could. Whether he actually can or not is a different matter, but out of all the high post-count styles, his, where he deliberately undermines his own conclusions constantly, is probably the easiest to duplicate as mafia. He never really has to stick by anything. If he fucks up, he can just say he wasn't thinking as town.
IMO it's less about the number of words, and more about the number of assertions with clear convictions.
Jacob, you said you don't enjoy playing as mafia the way you used to. If you used to enjoy it, surely you could shit out a ton of words while doing it?
How does Jake know he used to enjoy it and doesn’t now if he has only played town since he came back to the game?
On September 05 2023 22:32 JacobStrangelove wrote: But like. Hmmmm this does make for an annoying day if not math. I think keep it simple stupid should be first call then it would get wild if not.
For the record I think the correct play here is to play around Math getting modkilled, and for metagaming (the fact we are still playing) reasons he could very well be town here.
But I have decided to lynch him anyway cause I thought he was mafia from day one and its not really fair to use the scumteam concede/ modkill reasons to avoid his lynch.
And if he is actually mafia, then great caught the whole scumteam by day two :D
On September 06 2023 11:05 JacobStrangelove wrote: Man if only math made like one post today. I'll have to re read his filter for reads but I feel they'll be so old.
Why would you do this? he wasn;t even playing the fucking game. What about your own reads Jake?
Who is mafia who is town? Cause I have no fucking clue what you think, and for someone who has posted as much as you have you think I would know.
On September 06 2023 11:05 DarthPunk wrote: we are in fucking lylo right now, and the town is playing like absolute shitters.
Tbf math really didn't help things.
No fuck that, we are all to blame for this shit show. we all pretty much knew he was going to flip town, and I was the only one along with Vivax who seemed to give a shit.
On September 06 2023 11:05 JacobStrangelove wrote: Man if only math made like one post today. I'll have to re read his filter for reads but I feel they'll be so old.
Why would you do this? he wasn;t even playing the fucking game. What about your own reads Jake?
Who is mafia who is town? Cause I have no fucking clue what you think, and for someone who has posted as much as you have you think I would know.
Tbh I was kinda hoping to save it a bit for might post so mafia doesn't kill the town reads I have. But I can give them now if you want
I am going to die this night 100 percent of the time.
On September 06 2023 11:08 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On September 06 2023 11:07 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 06 2023 11:05 JacobStrangelove wrote: Man if only math made like one post today. I'll have to re read his filter for reads but I feel they'll be so old.
Why would you do this? he wasn;t even playing the fucking game. What about your own reads Jake?
Who is mafia who is town? Cause I have no fucking clue what you think, and for someone who has posted as much as you have you think I would know.
Tbh I was kinda hoping to save it a bit for might post so mafia doesn't kill the town reads I have. But I can give them now if you want
I am going to die this night 100 percent of the time.
On September 06 2023 11:08 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On September 06 2023 11:07 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 06 2023 11:05 JacobStrangelove wrote: Man if only math made like one post today. I'll have to re read his filter for reads but I feel they'll be so old.
Why would you do this? he wasn;t even playing the fucking game. What about your own reads Jake?
Who is mafia who is town? Cause I have no fucking clue what you think, and for someone who has posted as much as you have you think I would know.
Tbh I was kinda hoping to save it a bit for might post so mafia doesn't kill the town reads I have. But I can give them now if you want
I am going to die this night 100 percent of the time.
On September 06 2023 11:25 JacobStrangelove wrote: Koshi legit suicides into dp. Why would dp be mafia and be if vivax was mafia why would you fucking do it again?
On September 06 2023 11:04 JacobStrangelove wrote: Also Marv also gonna want one from you as I'm not sure what's fucking up anymore.
I was thinking about this. Annoyingly I can never post just before deadline.
Very disappointed with math and the general result. Worse it’s back to the drawing board and tinfoil. Why /does/ DP know like absolutely everything though.
Because I can see this shit coming a mile off bro.
Ok Marv. Who is mafia in your eyes? how do we navigate this endgame? because I have reasons for absolutely everyone to be both town or mafia right now .
On September 06 2023 15:39 DarthPunk wrote: Ok Marv. Who is mafia in your eyes? how do we navigate this endgame? because I have reasons for absolutely everyone to be both town or mafia right now .
Somewhere in you and Jakey and it’s going to take some finding.
I think you’re right (again) and it’s impossible for TTT to make some of the posts he’s made since returning. Vivax would be playing at 500% his mafia game and I just don’t believe it.
Jakey it’s possible he’s playing a great game as maf and he /can/ simply keep his level of posting up.
My only real thing on you at the moment is that you’re too right about everything and you’re alive. Like Vivax said though, take it as a compliment.
If only I knew the mafia, not just when we are lynching town.
are you sure Vivax is not mafia?
Because I also see some of the misdirection, trolling and approaches to conflict that I saw last game, the only difference is that here when I apply pressure he does not back off. where as last game he did.
I am wondering if that is the difference, but if you can explain to me why he is not mafia so that I can rule him out that would be ideal.
On September 06 2023 15:43 DarthPunk wrote: You know I want to lynch you purely off engagement levels and the fact you haven't solved the game yet.
Here is the thing, TOWN!DP does tend to survive through to endgames, TOWN!Marv shouldn't right?
you area S-Tier player as town in most games, this game I just don't feel like you have been that.
Because we lynched a town player on d4 after lynching mafia d2 and d3? Come off it DP.
are you taking credit for those lynches? Because from what I can see it was mafia self-immolation for the most part.
Can you expand a bit on the reasons I am mafia please and how that works with the information that we have, particularly around how that makes sense with whatever Koshi was doing?
On September 06 2023 17:12 TankTopTiger wrote: Yeah DP I'm splurging town because if I continue playing I need to transition my meta to something more sustainable. This thing where I live and die by whether you vet me feels bad so I need everyone else to catch up a little bit and I plan on stopping allowing you to read me so clearly - after this game.
On September 06 2023 15:39 DarthPunk wrote: Ok Marv. Who is mafia in your eyes? how do we navigate this endgame? because I have reasons for absolutely everyone to be both town or mafia right now .
Somewhere in you and Jakey and it’s going to take some finding.
I think you’re right (again) and it’s impossible for TTT to make some of the posts he’s made since returning. Vivax would be playing at 500% his mafia game and I just don’t believe it.
Jakey it’s possible he’s playing a great game as maf and he /can/ simply keep his level of posting up.
My only real thing on you at the moment is that you’re too right about everything and you’re alive. Like Vivax said though, take it as a compliment.
If only I knew the mafia, not just when we are lynching town.
are you sure Vivax is not mafia?
Because I also see some of the misdirection, trolling and approaches to conflict that I saw last game, the only difference is that here when I apply pressure he does not back off. where as last game he did.
I am wondering if that is the difference, but if you can explain to me why he is not mafia so that I can rule him out that would be ideal.
Sorry, I do want to give a brief answer now, as I can give the brief answer without a pc and quotes.
Yes, Vivax is absolutely doing some of the misdirection, trolling that he did when he was mafia. The difference is that it is /all/ he did in that game. This game is sprinkled with genuine good analysis and thinking in a way that was just totally absent in his maf game.
It’s very lightly sprinkled. Is that enough to rule him out though or a step up in his mafia play??
On September 06 2023 15:43 DarthPunk wrote: You know I want to lynch you purely off engagement levels and the fact you haven't solved the game yet.
Here is the thing, TOWN!DP does tend to survive through to endgames, TOWN!Marv shouldn't right?
you area S-Tier player as town in most games, this game I just don't feel like you have been that.
Because we lynched a town player on d4 after lynching mafia d2 and d3? Come off it DP.
are you taking credit for those lynches? Because from what I can see it was mafia self-immolation for the most part.
Can you expand a bit on the reasons I am mafia please and how that works with the information that we have, particularly around how that makes sense with whatever Koshi was doing?
I’m not taking credit for those lynches, although with a 5-5 vote on LS d2 it would have been pretty unlikely we got him that day if I hadn’t lent my weight to that lynch. But like Endures 1 where I got in trouble for not doing enough/leading, I don’t care for being the ‘figurehead’ for a lynch as long as we hit mafia.
I will make the effort later (to your Vivax question) to actually use a pc so I can pull quotes together, too difficult not on a computer.
Much like stuff you’ve said about me, I’m sure it would be very difficult to establish any very strong mafia case on you. Really it’s mostly that you’ve been uncanny about our mislynches (and missed shot). If you’d asked me before the math flip I would have just thought you were town.
The Koshi thing is non admissible mate. Koshi’s case did turn out to be bad but maybe that was the point. I mean maybe it wasn’t the point too, but it can just be either way and if you put your logic hat on I think you can grasp this.
You think koshi and I could fake all that interaction and tun willing? I mean I know I could, but you think koshi could? And the question is then why would he do it?
On September 06 2023 15:39 DarthPunk wrote: Ok Marv. Who is mafia in your eyes? how do we navigate this endgame? because I have reasons for absolutely everyone to be both town or mafia right now .
Somewhere in you and Jakey and it’s going to take some finding.
I think you’re right (again) and it’s impossible for TTT to make some of the posts he’s made since returning. Vivax would be playing at 500% his mafia game and I just don’t believe it.
Jakey it’s possible he’s playing a great game as maf and he /can/ simply keep his level of posting up.
My only real thing on you at the moment is that you’re too right about everything and you’re alive. Like Vivax said though, take it as a compliment.
If only I knew the mafia, not just when we are lynching town.
are you sure Vivax is not mafia?
Because I also see some of the misdirection, trolling and approaches to conflict that I saw last game, the only difference is that here when I apply pressure he does not back off. where as last game he did.
I am wondering if that is the difference, but if you can explain to me why he is not mafia so that I can rule him out that would be ideal.
Sorry, I do want to give a brief answer now, as I can give the brief answer without a pc and quotes.
Yes, Vivax is absolutely doing some of the misdirection, trolling that he did when he was mafia. The difference is that it is /all/ he did in that game. This game is sprinkled with genuine good analysis and thinking in a way that was just totally absent in his maf game.
It’s very lightly sprinkled. Is that enough to rule him out though or a step up in his mafia play??
I’m not going to have an argument about sprinkles even though sprinkles are delicious.
I think what Vivax has done here is more out of his range (not to forget - I’d say the last mafia game was /already/ a step up on his previous mafia play) than what you or Jakey have done.
We can reconvene on this later as I just can’t during the work day
On September 06 2023 17:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Yeah Marv you too, but you come in late game after DP's vetted. You can see how it's a problem for me if I roll mafia and the only two people willing to not lynch me by default are the best readers who I don't want to keep around?
Also I genuinely hate the hierarchy in this game and yet somehow my playstyle has become 100% reliant on it. How is the proletariat supposed to rise up if it's funded entirely by the ultra-capitalist class?
On September 06 2023 17:59 TankTopTiger wrote: Also nope DP not happening you can take it up with me in lylo if we still here. My current reads are as already stated. I'm a simple man.
So this night I decided to shit up the thread and my reads a bit to kind of make it hard for scum to know my direction and to plan for their endgame NK.
Also trying to bait some reactions etc from people to discern their alignment.
I spent a lot of time thinking about the game, and why it was so hard to find mafia.
I then realised that there was one person who was cleared for a reason that actually was not valid.
TTTand his emotional congruence around quitting and not being engaged by the game.
At the start of each game I play with TTT I usually say to people that I know how to read him and I will read him correctly by the end of the game.
We have played a lot of mafia style games together and he usually has a couple of red flags that correlate to his mafia game.
1.) Lengthy discussions on side topics such as setup speculation that don't actually solve the game.
2.) Predilection to arguing at length small points that aren't actually relevant to solving the game or people's alignments.
I actually discussed the first tell with TTT in real life so he became aware of it, and I think he adjusted somewhat but I realised when I was filter diving him again after the Math flip that he has done it this game as well:
On September 04 2023 21:37 TankTopTiger wrote: Jacob and DP can you give me examples of where else Jakey was setting traps? I didn't notice them.
I don't buy that him being like that was a trap. As if Scum DP would ever fall for that? Why would Jakey ever think that? Re: The Lamp assumption Is it really that cut and dry who was getting lynched? I haven't been late game as mafia, but to me it wasn't clear. DP and Marv are still in the game after all.
Re: My confidence level I'm not 100%. My investment in this game is still not high enough to re-read or build cases myself. I'm open to other cases, I just haven't found anyone as compelling as JSL, who I think is resilient enough to soldier on when put in a hard spot as mafia.
At this point, I'm sort of just assuming we're lynching JSL and Math and if they not it then we lose :shrug:
Its really hard to describe, but basically TTT has been talking about the game without actually talking about the game in a way that is meaningful.
On September 05 2023 18:12 TankTopTiger wrote: I don't think I've seen Jacob play as mafia, but my assumption would be that, like you and I, Jacob would try to play in a way that he thinks he can perform as either alignment. So I project from this assumption that Jacob himself thinks he could. Whether he actually can or not is a different matter, but out of all the high post-count styles, his, where he deliberately undermines his own conclusions constantly, is probably the easiest to duplicate as mafia. He never really has to stick by anything. If he fucks up, he can just say he wasn't thinking as town.
IMO it's less about the number of words, and more about the number of assertions with clear convictions.
Jacob, you said you don't enjoy playing as mafia the way you used to. If you used to enjoy it, surely you could shit out a ton of words while doing it?
He talks in the land of hypotheticals, at length here about what he could and could not see jake doing as mafia.
On September 05 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Errr... I don't know Marv but if I was in ScuMarv's position I would have bussed both those guys so fast sorry not sorry.
LS is extremely bussable (he seems to be developing a playstyle of dying and taking people with him). Koshi pushed the gun into his own damn mouth and forced town to pull the trigger. This isn't some 5D scum play it's the deterministic state of the game pushed into motion by forces beyond our remaining scummer's control.
Here again, he is not actually making meaning with these comments,
On September 06 2023 17:21 TankTopTiger wrote: MMMMMaybe tomorrow or even the next day??? I'm not really sure why DP is asking for list posts during nightphase but it seems like a bad idea to me. In fact, I'm feeling a need to be tight-lipped in general.
On September 06 2023 17:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Yeah Marv you too, but you come in late game after DP's vetted. You can see how it's a problem for me if I roll mafia and the only two people willing to not lynch me by default are the best readers who I don't want to keep around?
Also I genuinely hate the hierarchy in this game and yet somehow my playstyle has become 100% reliant on it. How is the proletariat supposed to rise up if it's funded entirely by the ultra-capitalist class?
On September 05 2023 18:46 TankTopTiger wrote: That did occur to me, but I think it's fair to assume you have an idea about it without testing.
When I was a kid I enjoyed jumping off rooftops. I don't have to go and try it out to know I wouldn't now.
On September 01 2023 17:09 TankTopTiger wrote: And Jakey no your style is to post quickly and without inhibition. You wouldn't post the way you do as town if you thought you couldn't replicate it as red. This is full BS.
On September 01 2023 17:33 TankTopTiger wrote: I'm okay with Koshi lynch, I don't know them so I don't know how to interpret that action and trust you guys more.
From my limited perspective, he came in with a gimmick of wanting to hurrycurry to give himself more meta range. That doesn't work if he does it as red. But if you guys agree with each other it's more than that I'm down.
This post below is most important:
On September 06 2023 07:41 TankTopTiger wrote: I've got a bigger range than you and DMB have put me on Viv. After the game I'd like you both to reconsider. The reads on me have been pretty bad and tiring from most.
- Being less productive is sign of scum, except I was last game as town. - Being disengaged but coming back is sign of scum, except Math is scum for not coming back. - Being abrasive makes me scum, except I'm always abrasive. - Yeah but the abrasiveness isn't productive. Yeah no shit I'm not that engaged so this is just point 1 and the abrasiveness is irrelevant. - Backing off Jakey is scummy because it means I'm scared except there's no reason for me to be scared.
I just looked back on my old games from back in the day. I was lynched as town at a phenomenal rate. The furthest I made it IIRC was D2 as town, and I only made it that far once in five games as town. These more recent games I've been under heavy fire a lot and it's only DP's protection that saved me. So all this stuff about my tell being whether or not I've been productive is actually bullshit, because I've been productive in exactly one game ever and in that one I was airdropped into D2.
Sorry a bit ranty and unproductively defensive (again, I don't have any reason to feel pressured rn) but I plan on quoting this post from now on because I'm just tired of the stale and shallow reads. The general population has empirically zero clue on how to read me and wants to lynch me by default. Immediate gut reads on me don't work as shown again and again.
He has not been playing the whole game because of openely stating he is not engaged and doesn't want to be here. I have read him as town despite this, due partly to the emotional congruence of his posts in isolation and the Dick move analysis of TTT using appeal to emotion to skate by as mafia.
He has basically played drastically differently to his town meta this game. Which makes this post make no fucking sense.
But the part that makes the least sense is:
On September 06 2023 07:41 TankTopTiger wrote: I just looked back on my old games from back in the day. I was lynched as town at a phenomenal rate. The furthest I made it IIRC was D2 as town, and I only made it that far once in five games as town. These more recent games I've been under heavy fire a lot and it's only DP's protection that saved me.
Here his game stopes being emotionally congruent because looking back at all your old games does not track AT ALL with the story he has been telling of having no investment and just being here to be here.
This was bothering me so I decided to lay a trap of my own.
On September 06 2023 19:01 DarthPunk wrote: I’m pretty sure I know who the last mafia is by the way.
Are you excited? 😊
On September 06 2023 19:55 TankTopTiger wrote: Yes if I agree with it
Bullshit, TTT has played up the depressed, disengaged angle all game, it is the ONLY reason he has not been lynched this game.
How is the congruent with being excited to see me solve the game?
It's not.
More:
He always is on the wrong side of the mafia lynches, there is weird as fuck hedging around the Koshi lynch
On September 01 2023 17:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Re: Koshi
I'm more confident of my read on JSL and would prefer them to be lynched first, but Koshi would be next. I just feel like JSL doesn't require filtering, whereas I haven't really followed the case on Koshi and am mostly going off of the shift in tone from early to later (he was annoyingly chipper early on, but that has well and truly been stomped out of him), the desperate tone of his case on DP, along with the lack of substance I felt from said case given he pushed it out in five parts. It felt like he wanted to be able to say he'd written a five-part case, but the case didn't warrant that magnitude and by the end I was kind of confused why he wrote it in the first place.
So I want JSL over Koshi, I'm a lot more involved with it, but so long as they both go down I don't mind.
Koshi was clearly mafia at this point, and for someone who was repeatedly stating they were not invested, why does he seem so invested in lynching JSL over Koshi?
On September 01 2023 17:33 TankTopTiger wrote: I'm okay with Koshi lynch, I don't know them so I don't know how to interpret that action and trust you guys more.
From my limited perspective, he came in with a gimmick of wanting to hurrycurry to give himself more meta range. That doesn't work if he does it as red. But if you guys agree with each other it's more than that I'm down.
Agree on Koshi? not really he is hedging and then undermine the read.
On September 01 2023 17:35 TankTopTiger wrote: What do you think about my points on JSL?
It's very weird right?
Then try to move wagon onto his weak JSL read.
On September 01 2023 19:23 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay boys I'm feeling it. We march on Koshi.
After Koshi, unless there's a drastic turn, I want JSL before anyone else. I'm not sure why DP is acting as if that hateful disrespect post from JSL was anything less than a signed confession, but it's going to take a lot for me to consider anyone above them.
Then after nothing changes aside from marv and I calling TTT town he swaps onto koshi, but koshi was dead regardless, and for someone who was literally talking to us about no investement, what exactly is he feeling here?
The emotional congruence is not there holistically across his posts.
So this night I decided to shit up the thread and my reads a bit to kind of make it hard for scum to know my direction and to plan for their endgame NK.
Also trying to bait some reactions etc from people to discern their alignment.
I spent a lot of time thinking about the game, and why it was so hard to find mafia.
I then realised that there was one person who was cleared for a reason that actually was not valid.
TTTand his emotional congruence around quitting and not being engaged by the game.
At the start of each game I play with TTT I usually say to people that I know how to read him and I will read him correctly by the end of the game.
We have played a lot of mafia style games together and he usually has a couple of red flags that correlate to his mafia game.
1.) Lengthy discussions on side topics such as setup speculation that don't actually solve the game.
2.) Predilection to arguing at length small points that aren't actually relevant to solving the game or people's alignments.
I actually discussed the first tell with TTT in real life so he became aware of it, and I think he adjusted somewhat but I realised when I was filter diving him again after the Math flip that he has done it this game as well:
On September 04 2023 21:37 TankTopTiger wrote: Jacob and DP can you give me examples of where else Jakey was setting traps? I didn't notice them.
I don't buy that him being like that was a trap. As if Scum DP would ever fall for that? Why would Jakey ever think that? Re: The Lamp assumption Is it really that cut and dry who was getting lynched? I haven't been late game as mafia, but to me it wasn't clear. DP and Marv are still in the game after all.
Re: My confidence level I'm not 100%. My investment in this game is still not high enough to re-read or build cases myself. I'm open to other cases, I just haven't found anyone as compelling as JSL, who I think is resilient enough to soldier on when put in a hard spot as mafia.
At this point, I'm sort of just assuming we're lynching JSL and Math and if they not it then we lose :shrug:
Its really hard to describe, but basically TTT has been talking about the game without actually talking about the game in a way that is meaningful.
On September 05 2023 18:12 TankTopTiger wrote: I don't think I've seen Jacob play as mafia, but my assumption would be that, like you and I, Jacob would try to play in a way that he thinks he can perform as either alignment. So I project from this assumption that Jacob himself thinks he could. Whether he actually can or not is a different matter, but out of all the high post-count styles, his, where he deliberately undermines his own conclusions constantly, is probably the easiest to duplicate as mafia. He never really has to stick by anything. If he fucks up, he can just say he wasn't thinking as town.
IMO it's less about the number of words, and more about the number of assertions with clear convictions.
Jacob, you said you don't enjoy playing as mafia the way you used to. If you used to enjoy it, surely you could shit out a ton of words while doing it?
He talks in the land of hypotheticals, at length here about what he could and could not see jake doing as mafia.
On September 05 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Errr... I don't know Marv but if I was in ScuMarv's position I would have bussed both those guys so fast sorry not sorry.
LS is extremely bussable (he seems to be developing a playstyle of dying and taking people with him). Koshi pushed the gun into his own damn mouth and forced town to pull the trigger. This isn't some 5D scum play it's the deterministic state of the game pushed into motion by forces beyond our remaining scummer's control.
Here again, he is not actually making meaning with these comments,
On September 06 2023 17:21 TankTopTiger wrote: MMMMMaybe tomorrow or even the next day??? I'm not really sure why DP is asking for list posts during nightphase but it seems like a bad idea to me. In fact, I'm feeling a need to be tight-lipped in general.
On September 06 2023 17:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Yeah Marv you too, but you come in late game after DP's vetted. You can see how it's a problem for me if I roll mafia and the only two people willing to not lynch me by default are the best readers who I don't want to keep around?
Also I genuinely hate the hierarchy in this game and yet somehow my playstyle has become 100% reliant on it. How is the proletariat supposed to rise up if it's funded entirely by the ultra-capitalist class?
On September 05 2023 18:46 TankTopTiger wrote: That did occur to me, but I think it's fair to assume you have an idea about it without testing.
When I was a kid I enjoyed jumping off rooftops. I don't have to go and try it out to know I wouldn't now.
On September 01 2023 17:09 TankTopTiger wrote: And Jakey no your style is to post quickly and without inhibition. You wouldn't post the way you do as town if you thought you couldn't replicate it as red. This is full BS.
On September 01 2023 17:33 TankTopTiger wrote: I'm okay with Koshi lynch, I don't know them so I don't know how to interpret that action and trust you guys more.
From my limited perspective, he came in with a gimmick of wanting to hurrycurry to give himself more meta range. That doesn't work if he does it as red. But if you guys agree with each other it's more than that I'm down.
This post below is most important:
On September 06 2023 07:41 TankTopTiger wrote: I've got a bigger range than you and DMB have put me on Viv. After the game I'd like you both to reconsider. The reads on me have been pretty bad and tiring from most.
- Being less productive is sign of scum, except I was last game as town. - Being disengaged but coming back is sign of scum, except Math is scum for not coming back. - Being abrasive makes me scum, except I'm always abrasive. - Yeah but the abrasiveness isn't productive. Yeah no shit I'm not that engaged so this is just point 1 and the abrasiveness is irrelevant. - Backing off Jakey is scummy because it means I'm scared except there's no reason for me to be scared.
I just looked back on my old games from back in the day. I was lynched as town at a phenomenal rate. The furthest I made it IIRC was D2 as town, and I only made it that far once in five games as town. These more recent games I've been under heavy fire a lot and it's only DP's protection that saved me. So all this stuff about my tell being whether or not I've been productive is actually bullshit, because I've been productive in exactly one game ever and in that one I was airdropped into D2.
Sorry a bit ranty and unproductively defensive (again, I don't have any reason to feel pressured rn) but I plan on quoting this post from now on because I'm just tired of the stale and shallow reads. The general population has empirically zero clue on how to read me and wants to lynch me by default. Immediate gut reads on me don't work as shown again and again.
He has not been playing the whole game because of openely stating he is not engaged and doesn't want to be here. I have read him as town despite this, due partly to the emotional congruence of his posts in isolation and the Dick move analysis of TTT using appeal to emotion to skate by as mafia.
He has basically played drastically differently to his town meta this game. Which makes this post make no fucking sense.
But the part that makes the least sense is:
On September 06 2023 07:41 TankTopTiger wrote: I just looked back on my old games from back in the day. I was lynched as town at a phenomenal rate. The furthest I made it IIRC was D2 as town, and I only made it that far once in five games as town. These more recent games I've been under heavy fire a lot and it's only DP's protection that saved me.
Here his game stopes being emotionally congruent because looking back at all your old games does not track AT ALL with the story he has been telling of having no investment and just being here to be here.
This was bothering me so I decided to lay a trap of my own.
On September 06 2023 19:01 DarthPunk wrote: I’m pretty sure I know who the last mafia is by the way.
Are you excited? 😊
On September 06 2023 19:55 TankTopTiger wrote: Yes if I agree with it
Bullshit, TTT has played up the depressed, disengaged angle all game, it is the ONLY reason he has not been lynched this game.
How is the congruent with being excited to see me solve the game?
It's not.
More:
He always is on the wrong side of the mafia lynches, there is weird as fuck hedging around the Koshi lynch
On September 01 2023 17:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Re: Koshi
I'm more confident of my read on JSL and would prefer them to be lynched first, but Koshi would be next. I just feel like JSL doesn't require filtering, whereas I haven't really followed the case on Koshi and am mostly going off of the shift in tone from early to later (he was annoyingly chipper early on, but that has well and truly been stomped out of him), the desperate tone of his case on DP, along with the lack of substance I felt from said case given he pushed it out in five parts. It felt like he wanted to be able to say he'd written a five-part case, but the case didn't warrant that magnitude and by the end I was kind of confused why he wrote it in the first place.
So I want JSL over Koshi, I'm a lot more involved with it, but so long as they both go down I don't mind.
Koshi was clearly mafia at this point, and for someone who was repeatedly stating they were not invested, why does he seem so invested in lynching JSL over Koshi?
On September 01 2023 17:33 TankTopTiger wrote: I'm okay with Koshi lynch, I don't know them so I don't know how to interpret that action and trust you guys more.
From my limited perspective, he came in with a gimmick of wanting to hurrycurry to give himself more meta range. That doesn't work if he does it as red. But if you guys agree with each other it's more than that I'm down.
Agree on Koshi? not really he is hedging and then undermine the read.
On September 01 2023 17:35 TankTopTiger wrote: What do you think about my points on JSL?
It's very weird right?
Then try to move wagon onto his weak JSL read.
On September 01 2023 19:23 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay boys I'm feeling it. We march on Koshi.
After Koshi, unless there's a drastic turn, I want JSL before anyone else. I'm not sure why DP is acting as if that hateful disrespect post from JSL was anything less than a signed confession, but it's going to take a lot for me to consider anyone above them.
Then after nothing changes aside from marv and I calling TTT town he swaps onto koshi, but koshi was dead regardless, and for someone who was literally talking to us about no investement, what exactly is he feeling here?
The emotional congruence is not there holistically across his posts.
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On September 04 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Whadya mean? I'm hoping to lynch JSL.
Don't overreact to that post. There are two people I want to lynch before you and that basically means I consider you town because we only got two lynches assuming no god medic or w/e. I was just answering the question.
NEXT POST 40 MIN LATER!
On September 04 2023 23:11 TankTopTiger wrote: Re: Vivax JSL called the scum team dumb for shooting DMB.
Jacob is basically the nicest goofiest person you will ever meet, so this was really off. Jacob claims it was a trap to get DP to get prickly if he was scum (as JSL would be calling him stupid).
TBH I've cooled it a lot on the read, and probably prefer Math first now. Jacob thinks I'm tunneling him but it's more like I'm wanting to get him to straighten out and make sense - which doesn't look like is going to happen.
This is someone who TTT wanted to lynch over KOSHI who claimed scum and self voted, and then:
On September 05 2023 07:41 TankTopTiger wrote: Voting Math.
Do you rememeber how TTT was calling me wrong and bad for suspecting him at the start of the game?
On August 29 2023 12:03 TankTopTiger wrote: Yo.
I'm taking some time off the game. I asked to be replaced but that's hella unlikely to happen. This game feels like a chore to me where I'm getting blasted every time I try to engage with it. I understand why,but that doesn't help me want to play.
I feel bad about this, but I think it's better than the alternative where I either pretend to be engaged or end up fighting people over stupid shit.
gl
Why does he understand why people are blasting him in the thread?? after he argued about it being wrong and bad for so long?
On August 31 2023 15:38 TankTopTiger wrote:
So IMO, lynch me, but don't play under the assumption I'm red with self-congratulatory connecto cases. When I flip, if I'm red, you can make all the connecto-cases you want.
What townies talks about himself flipping red after his lynch?
He also: reads LS as town, but kind of not, and reads Koshi as kind of weird and then doesn't really want to lynch him.
MORREEEE:
Why does LS town read him super early???
On August 27 2023 21:33 LightningStrike wrote: Also side note TTT seemed more insightful this time around compared to Part 1 where he was mafia so likely town for the time being.
This read from LS was weird as fuck at the time and is weird as fuck now, if TTT is green, he was looking really bad, LS goes against the thread to make this read, and I can't see why he would.
Basically I am sure that TTT is the mafia we have been looking for, he has been under the Radar essentially because marv and I have shielded hiim based on his ATE.
But I think the reason his quitting rang true is probably because it was, he rolled mafia again, he was less engaged than when he plays town, its fucking hard to play mafia when you are being scum read.
I think he did want to quit and that's why that particularly felt genuine in his posts.
But I think the mistake we made was assuming that he could only feel that way genuinely as town. Because he clearly in his quitting post understood why people scum read him.
Bonus material:
Rayn wanted him dead!
Rayn NK
DMB WANTED HIM DEAD!
DMB NK
Marv and DP are shielding him from Vivax and JSL, Marv and DP alive.
this is about as confident as I could ever be in a read,
if you trust me to read TTT and clear him as Town, please for the love of god trust me to read him as Mafia.
This dude is 100percent fucking mafia, COAG seal of approval 100% moneyback guarentee.
I fucked up by hitting post instead of preview which sucks, but, oh well.
On September 07 2023 11:14 JacobStrangelove wrote: Wait okay we for sure are going to have a blue claim sometime in the next day or after next night at very least. Unless it's a 1 blue game. (Is vig that strong)
It could be a 1 blue game, I tend to view vig as neutral in power it just kind of makes the game end faster.
On September 07 2023 11:13 JacobStrangelove wrote: I also was holding off my it's ttt thoughts to try and mess up NK I guess it worked?
What do you mean?
Like you and I tried to pretend we didn't think it was ttt so mafia wouldn't know who to shoot if mafia was ttt but now mafia shot ttt who was both of our main scum reads. Making the game ironically simpler even though it's fucking crazy right now.
Yeah true, I would have tunnelled him to death most likely.
On September 07 2023 11:14 JacobStrangelove wrote: Wait okay we for sure are going to have a blue claim sometime in the next day or after next night at very least. Unless it's a 1 blue game. (Is vig that strong)
You blue hunting Jake?
Did you try and blue snipe TTT and now you are confused?
On September 07 2023 11:14 JacobStrangelove wrote: Wait okay we for sure are going to have a blue claim sometime in the next day or after next night at very least. Unless it's a 1 blue game. (Is vig that strong)
You blue hunting Jake?
Did you try and blue snipe TTT and now you are confused?
I'm confused yes but not trying to snipe ttt. On a side not that's idiotic even if I was mafia ttt as blue wouldn't give up early I don't think.
On September 07 2023 15:24 marvellosity wrote: Also I’m really sorry guys for what’s coming - I have to go into the office today (won’t be able to post), on leave Friday but plans with partner (can barely post) then away in London Sat/Sun seeing friends. So ya know.
On September 07 2023 15:38 marvellosity wrote: Gg.
Mixture of two things for me:
1. If I’m American or Australian I win by changing my NK around deadline 2. My confidence is lower these days so I just assumed DP had caught me and underestimated how strong my position was. Oops!
Ah you had all the tools i think, just go DP and that's it.
I think I’m hard to lynch but I also think he had a good shot.
On September 07 2023 15:50 DarthPunk wrote: I have some thoughts when I get a bit of time
It kind of sucks that marv was not able to adjust his shot.
I think he played really well because in my mind he was consistently the 2nd choice to be scum and never the first.
I made a night post a while back which I think basically nails the reasons he was mafia, but there was too much random shit going on in the town to see clearly, and I think Marv did enough with bussing to pretty much stay not caught til LYLO.
I think it would have been hard for him for the next two cycles, and maybe a shit fest in the thread, but I do think he had a good chance for the win. I also understand what he meant in the Mafia QT about the lack of energy to fight, because it would have required that for sure.
Overall, I think that Marv did a really good job taking advantage of his teammates collapsing, some of the weird town play in the thread and some smart night kills were made by the scum team overall (DMB shot particularly)
In regard to my own play, I am pretty happy with my reads for the first 3/4 of the game, I had Koshi (in my mind) day one pretty much, and LS was bound to be caught. I am super happy that the Gambit of saying that I was sure I had the final scum figured out actually did something (I was tossing up marv, TTT and Jake at the time, I just decided to say it and see what happened)
I think this game demonstrates how persistence and solid play can be rewarded as mafia, particularly with attrition causing multiple mislynches on townies.
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