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On August 29 2023 21:09 Vivax wrote:I have a bunch of issues with this post sequence and what it means for LS' progressions. (1) : He seems to harbor suspicions for DP but doesn't really spell them out. Initially he even asks Koshi why he's after him. He thought the fight looked forced, decided DP looked townier, but ignored spelling out an opinion on me that would confirm that he felt it was forced. (2) He is one of the few who thinks TTT doesn't look scummy. He townread DP but later stated that TTT looked townier for him after having a back and forth with DP. That reads as if he had an expectation that being in a clinch with DP would be a townie thing to do. (3): He didn't really have a read on VE. But he thought Koshi was obviously mafia and his vote on VE seemed off. But first it seemed off, and afterwards he analyzed the reasons that could make him mafia and concluded nothing. Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 05:34 LightningStrike wrote:On August 27 2023 05:25 Koshi wrote: Dp/rayn/marv scumteam
##Vote DP (1) Why you voting DP? Also isn't it a little to early to form a scumteam? Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 06:24 LightningStrike wrote: (1)Hopefully DP posts more soon given it's early in the morning where he's at. Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight (1)seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight.
Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it. Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 21:33 LightningStrike wrote: (2) Also side note TTT seemed more insightful this time around compared to Part 1 where he was mafia so likely town for the time being. Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 21:39 LightningStrike wrote:On August 27 2023 21:35 DarthPunk wrote: who you want to lynch right now LS?
Chez and Koshi obviously. Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 08:54 LightningStrike wrote: (3) I am back from having to do house work all day and Koshi looks a bit better but his vote on VE seems off? Idk how to feel about Koshi. VE though not being as abrasive as he was when I was mafia with him in Endure's 1 but he wasn't around as much as that game either if I remember how much activity he had that game but his content not exactly that great either. Chez not doing anything after the Chez rule stuff and ninja voting VE ???? Chez most likely is mafia out of the 2 wagons though if I have to pick out of those 2. ##Vote: Chezinu Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 12:41 LightningStrike wrote: Got out of my TTRPG session and Chez flipped town :| I will admit I should of figured when there was little to no resistance to his lynch when I did my vote >.< (2) TTT is town like I did say earlier and his fight with DP cements it for me. But I am a bit lost though given the flip. Not a good look either way. I would vote LS. ##Vote: LightningStrike Yes, I agree with this actually. Particularly the DP/TTT fight being forced, except he ends up with 2 townreads out of it
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Excluding ttt just for the theory
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On August 29 2023 20:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2023 19:54 marvellosity wrote: Staying on the theme, regarding TTT - seems to form part of a persecution complex this game. Day 1 he complained about he unstoppable wagon/votes on him and he had 1 vote. Then the giving up post.
More likely maf or town? Could be maf not liking the relatively constant pressure and giving up to not provide reads after flip. Guess it can also be town feeling unfairly treated.
I’m not sure there’s enough either way, so it doesn’t change my read on him.
Think I probably need to reread math now as it’s an even weaker give up, but I’ve just not seen him as mafia at all till now You are misreading that post about unstoppable wagon he meant the wagon on chez. I really don’t understand your town read on math at all tbh. You should understand it, as I’ve talked about it a couple times. I’ve probably read his filter more than anyone else’s; twice through after your case. And I hold my tonal read above your more analytical one.
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On August 27 2023 12:15 JacobStrangelove wrote:Yeah I have autocorrect on constantly keeps wanting dp to become do so that'll pop up at some point. Might be time to have a softish reset and look for teams as interconnected people is all I'm good at. Found it strange that x was backing up y out of nowhere but forget who the people were going to go read. Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well it doesn't make sense to me why you think he first made the vote for being bold (if mafia) and then when questioned, was getting nervous about being questioned? I obviously agree the vote and the reasoning at it's best is dumb, but like... idk. I didn't want to defend him but i don't really think it's scummy. Oh yeah good point why did you think I was nervous. Just throwing out feelers or legit opinion. Also can't find the afformentioned backing up unless it was ray backing me up... Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 12:06 TankTopTiger wrote: Yeah but jacob can you be more specific about your read on Chez. Is it just vibes or do you have insight?
I'm not really up to date on DP's stuff. I'm just parsing it now but I'm moving slow.
I think typogate is dumb shit Typo gate is kinda dumb but feel it's the town kinda dumb it's almost too dumb for mafia intentionality hence my town read. Vibes initially but backed up by, what would mafia jsl do. Aka if I rolled mafia I would probably lean even more into the troll persona the washy wavey stuff. Also his posted made sense last game despite being cheese styles this game it's... More what I would do tbh. Finding some way to have fun while also seperating ego from it because oh I wasn't trying seriously anyway that kind of behaviour. To my earlier point about Jakey. Looks fairly self-referential for how he’s played. Lots of chummy/matey/weirdness, but it looks calculated
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On August 29 2023 21:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 12:15 JacobStrangelove wrote:Yeah I have autocorrect on constantly keeps wanting dp to become do so that'll pop up at some point. Might be time to have a softish reset and look for teams as interconnected people is all I'm good at. Found it strange that x was backing up y out of nowhere but forget who the people were going to go read. On August 27 2023 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well it doesn't make sense to me why you think he first made the vote for being bold (if mafia) and then when questioned, was getting nervous about being questioned? I obviously agree the vote and the reasoning at it's best is dumb, but like... idk. I didn't want to defend him but i don't really think it's scummy. Oh yeah good point why did you think I was nervous. Just throwing out feelers or legit opinion. Also can't find the afformentioned backing up unless it was ray backing me up... On August 27 2023 12:06 TankTopTiger wrote: Yeah but jacob can you be more specific about your read on Chez. Is it just vibes or do you have insight?
I'm not really up to date on DP's stuff. I'm just parsing it now but I'm moving slow.
I think typogate is dumb shit Typo gate is kinda dumb but feel it's the town kinda dumb it's almost too dumb for mafia intentionality hence my town read. Vibes initially but backed up by, what would mafia jsl do. Aka if I rolled mafia I would probably lean even more into the troll persona the washy wavey stuff. Also his posted made sense last game despite being cheese styles this game it's... More what I would do tbh. Finding some way to have fun while also seperating ego from it because oh I wasn't trying seriously anyway that kind of behaviour. To my earlier point about Jakey. Looks fairly self-referential for how he’s played. Lots of chummy/matey/weirdness, but it looks calculated
Yeah I don't quite buy that you believe this actually. But in that instance I could actually see this as a Marv dp with fake disagreements plus someone scum team but I don't want to believe in that reality so I won't yet. I'm still going to believe it's ttt that's mafia and not dp
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On August 29 2023 18:42 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2023 18:20 DarthPunk wrote:On August 29 2023 18:19 Koshi wrote:On August 28 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: i have to sleep before work. VE/LS/TTT/DP.
For now i think it doesnt get harder than that. To remember At least two of these are wrong… Doesn't sound very good for the other 2 then.
On August 29 2023 11:08 Grackaroni wrote:
[center] raynpelikoneet the Vanilla Town has been killed. VisceraEyes the Vanilla Town has been killed.
Lol at Koshi's post if that's the team
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##vote: TTT
Will consolidate on to LS if needed. Jakey can wait, he’s a tier below for now.
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On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote: Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.
Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.
I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.
I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.
This has been quoted by multiple people as a very suspicious post back on day 1. Looks even worse given the two flips. Very TMI. Can we not let him get away with the afk give up post?
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On August 29 2023 21:13 JacobStrangelove wrote: All those who voted ls with me what's your second biggest scum read? TTT most likely.
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On August 29 2023 22:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote: Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.
Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.
I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.
I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.
This has been quoted by multiple people as a very suspicious post back on day 1. Looks even worse given the two flips. Very TMI. Can we not let him get away with the afk give up post? I agree but TTT might be modkilled EoD. So 2 for 1 is better.
Can there be clarity about the replacement/modkill? You can ignore this if there is no answer.
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On August 29 2023 21:51 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2023 21:44 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2023 12:15 JacobStrangelove wrote:Yeah I have autocorrect on constantly keeps wanting dp to become do so that'll pop up at some point. Might be time to have a softish reset and look for teams as interconnected people is all I'm good at. Found it strange that x was backing up y out of nowhere but forget who the people were going to go read. On August 27 2023 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well it doesn't make sense to me why you think he first made the vote for being bold (if mafia) and then when questioned, was getting nervous about being questioned? I obviously agree the vote and the reasoning at it's best is dumb, but like... idk. I didn't want to defend him but i don't really think it's scummy. Oh yeah good point why did you think I was nervous. Just throwing out feelers or legit opinion. Also can't find the afformentioned backing up unless it was ray backing me up... On August 27 2023 12:06 TankTopTiger wrote: Yeah but jacob can you be more specific about your read on Chez. Is it just vibes or do you have insight?
I'm not really up to date on DP's stuff. I'm just parsing it now but I'm moving slow.
I think typogate is dumb shit Typo gate is kinda dumb but feel it's the town kinda dumb it's almost too dumb for mafia intentionality hence my town read. Vibes initially but backed up by, what would mafia jsl do. Aka if I rolled mafia I would probably lean even more into the troll persona the washy wavey stuff. Also his posted made sense last game despite being cheese styles this game it's... More what I would do tbh. Finding some way to have fun while also seperating ego from it because oh I wasn't trying seriously anyway that kind of behaviour. To my earlier point about Jakey. Looks fairly self-referential for how he’s played. Lots of chummy/matey/weirdness, but it looks calculated Yeah I don't quite buy that you believe this actually. But in that instance I could actually see this as a Marv dp with fake disagreements plus someone scum team but I don't want to believe in that reality so I won't yet. I'm still going to believe it's ttt that's mafia and not dp When did marv and dp have fake disagreements?
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Hey my birthday was amazing guys outside of having to go to school and take a quiz ( I did very bad on it I am sure of that >.<) I at least was right about Rayn's alignment and he died but VE flipping town was pretty shocking >.< TTT giving up like that is pretty sad for me because I did had him as town before anyone else Granted him giving up though is closer to Endures 1 when he told town to lynch him if Marv had flipped town (Which that did happen). Math giving up after just voting me feels fake and a cop out. Iamp claiming the shot on VE at least accounts for that night kill and no CC I think is confirmed town because I would of thought mafia vig wouldn't claim.
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On August 29 2023 18:55 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 17:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like you could technically argue Koshi could be mafia if VE is town (i wouldnt still believe that), but never with VE, since at the time thread progression was VE lynch pushed by marv+rayn+iamp and from those people marv+iamp didnt think mebaby is town, so why make a read the influence doesnt believe and is not supposed to gain you any town points? Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is also this Koshi thing that doesnt make any sense... Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Reasons: - tried to change the lynch from his town read but not really tried - missing out on obvious good reasons on VE and doing something else instead - something else instead was kind of a lackluster, i doubt he actually wanted to do something else instead - Koshi pointed out smart stuff, DP pointed out stupid stuff on that - bad read on mebaby, not warranted at all that point
I fucked it up. The things you point out here are false. Potentially intentionnaly because you also changed the order of the quotes. First quote he says "I still wont believe koshi is mafia in this scenario" but in theory it is possible. Second quote he is talking about the DP stuff said against me. "What DP said about Koshi doesn't make sense" and he explains it better in the next quote Nothing there is rayn pressure on me. Quite the opposite because he townread me because of the DP stuff. @jacob did you read this?
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On August 29 2023 21:09 Vivax wrote:I have a bunch of issues with this post sequence and what it means for LS' progressions. (1) : He seems to harbor suspicions for DP but doesn't really spell them out. Initially he even asks Koshi why he's after him. He thought the fight looked forced, decided DP looked townier, but ignored spelling out an opinion on me that would confirm that he felt it was forced. (2) He is one of the few who thinks TTT doesn't look scummy. He townread DP but later stated that TTT looked townier for him after having a back and forth with DP. That reads as if he had an expectation that being in a clinch with DP would be a townie thing to do. (3): He didn't really have a read on VE. But he thought Koshi was obviously mafia and his vote on VE seemed off. But first it seemed off, and afterwards he analyzed the reasons that could make him mafia and concluded nothing. Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 05:34 LightningStrike wrote:On August 27 2023 05:25 Koshi wrote: Dp/rayn/marv scumteam
##Vote DP (1) Why you voting DP? Also isn't it a little to early to form a scumteam? Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 06:24 LightningStrike wrote: (1)Hopefully DP posts more soon given it's early in the morning where he's at. Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight (1)seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight.
Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it. Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 21:33 LightningStrike wrote: (2) Also side note TTT seemed more insightful this time around compared to Part 1 where he was mafia so likely town for the time being. Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 21:39 LightningStrike wrote:On August 27 2023 21:35 DarthPunk wrote: who you want to lynch right now LS?
Chez and Koshi obviously. Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 08:54 LightningStrike wrote: (3) I am back from having to do house work all day and Koshi looks a bit better but his vote on VE seems off? Idk how to feel about Koshi. VE though not being as abrasive as he was when I was mafia with him in Endure's 1 but he wasn't around as much as that game either if I remember how much activity he had that game but his content not exactly that great either. Chez not doing anything after the Chez rule stuff and ninja voting VE ???? Chez most likely is mafia out of the 2 wagons though if I have to pick out of those 2. ##Vote: Chezinu Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 12:41 LightningStrike wrote: Got out of my TTRPG session and Chez flipped town :| I will admit I should of figured when there was little to no resistance to his lynch when I did my vote >.< (2) TTT is town like I did say earlier and his fight with DP cements it for me. But I am a bit lost though given the flip. Not a good look either way. I would vote LS. ##Vote: LightningStrike Regarding the DP and TTT fight: I just thought it was forced idk why it felt that way. Regarding not trying to read VE: When I was mafia with him he admits he can do everything as either alignment in that Mafia QT so I didn't know how to read him. Regarding DP I only asked others about DP only because I was curious where everyone else was at with him because I misread him badly in Endures 2 Day 1 if you remember I legit thought he was mafia there.
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On August 29 2023 22:18 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2023 21:09 Vivax wrote:I have a bunch of issues with this post sequence and what it means for LS' progressions. (1) : He seems to harbor suspicions for DP but doesn't really spell them out. Initially he even asks Koshi why he's after him. He thought the fight looked forced, decided DP looked townier, but ignored spelling out an opinion on me that would confirm that he felt it was forced. (2) He is one of the few who thinks TTT doesn't look scummy. He townread DP but later stated that TTT looked townier for him after having a back and forth with DP. That reads as if he had an expectation that being in a clinch with DP would be a townie thing to do. (3): He didn't really have a read on VE. But he thought Koshi was obviously mafia and his vote on VE seemed off. But first it seemed off, and afterwards he analyzed the reasons that could make him mafia and concluded nothing. On August 27 2023 05:34 LightningStrike wrote:On August 27 2023 05:25 Koshi wrote: Dp/rayn/marv scumteam
##Vote DP (1) Why you voting DP? Also isn't it a little to early to form a scumteam? On August 27 2023 06:24 LightningStrike wrote: (1)Hopefully DP posts more soon given it's early in the morning where he's at. On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight (1)seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight.
Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it. On August 27 2023 21:33 LightningStrike wrote: (2) Also side note TTT seemed more insightful this time around compared to Part 1 where he was mafia so likely town for the time being. On August 27 2023 21:39 LightningStrike wrote:On August 27 2023 21:35 DarthPunk wrote: who you want to lynch right now LS?
Chez and Koshi obviously. On August 28 2023 08:54 LightningStrike wrote: (3) I am back from having to do house work all day and Koshi looks a bit better but his vote on VE seems off? Idk how to feel about Koshi. VE though not being as abrasive as he was when I was mafia with him in Endure's 1 but he wasn't around as much as that game either if I remember how much activity he had that game but his content not exactly that great either. Chez not doing anything after the Chez rule stuff and ninja voting VE ???? Chez most likely is mafia out of the 2 wagons though if I have to pick out of those 2. ##Vote: Chezinu On August 28 2023 12:41 LightningStrike wrote: Got out of my TTRPG session and Chez flipped town :| I will admit I should of figured when there was little to no resistance to his lynch when I did my vote >.< (2) TTT is town like I did say earlier and his fight with DP cements it for me. But I am a bit lost though given the flip. Not a good look either way. I would vote LS. ##Vote: LightningStrike Regarding the DP and TTT fight: I just thought it was forced idk why it felt that way. Regarding not trying to read VE: When I was mafia with him he admits he can do everything as either alignment in that Mafia QT so I didn't know how to read him. Regarding DP I only asked others about DP only because I was curious where everyone else was at with him because I misread him badly in Endures 2 Day 1 if you remember I legit thought he was mafia there. DP and TTT was forced or DP and Vivax? Also. Vivax typing words and not backing down is meta town Vivax right? So why not meta read Vivax but instead give a gutfeel DP read? Feels off for you.
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On August 29 2023 22:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2023 22:18 LightningStrike wrote:On August 29 2023 21:09 Vivax wrote:I have a bunch of issues with this post sequence and what it means for LS' progressions. (1) : He seems to harbor suspicions for DP but doesn't really spell them out. Initially he even asks Koshi why he's after him. He thought the fight looked forced, decided DP looked townier, but ignored spelling out an opinion on me that would confirm that he felt it was forced. (2) He is one of the few who thinks TTT doesn't look scummy. He townread DP but later stated that TTT looked townier for him after having a back and forth with DP. That reads as if he had an expectation that being in a clinch with DP would be a townie thing to do. (3): He didn't really have a read on VE. But he thought Koshi was obviously mafia and his vote on VE seemed off. But first it seemed off, and afterwards he analyzed the reasons that could make him mafia and concluded nothing. On August 27 2023 05:34 LightningStrike wrote:On August 27 2023 05:25 Koshi wrote: Dp/rayn/marv scumteam
##Vote DP (1) Why you voting DP? Also isn't it a little to early to form a scumteam? On August 27 2023 06:24 LightningStrike wrote: (1)Hopefully DP posts more soon given it's early in the morning where he's at. On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight (1)seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight.
Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it. On August 27 2023 21:33 LightningStrike wrote: (2) Also side note TTT seemed more insightful this time around compared to Part 1 where he was mafia so likely town for the time being. On August 27 2023 21:39 LightningStrike wrote:On August 27 2023 21:35 DarthPunk wrote: who you want to lynch right now LS?
Chez and Koshi obviously. On August 28 2023 08:54 LightningStrike wrote: (3) I am back from having to do house work all day and Koshi looks a bit better but his vote on VE seems off? Idk how to feel about Koshi. VE though not being as abrasive as he was when I was mafia with him in Endure's 1 but he wasn't around as much as that game either if I remember how much activity he had that game but his content not exactly that great either. Chez not doing anything after the Chez rule stuff and ninja voting VE ???? Chez most likely is mafia out of the 2 wagons though if I have to pick out of those 2. ##Vote: Chezinu On August 28 2023 12:41 LightningStrike wrote: Got out of my TTRPG session and Chez flipped town :| I will admit I should of figured when there was little to no resistance to his lynch when I did my vote >.< (2) TTT is town like I did say earlier and his fight with DP cements it for me. But I am a bit lost though given the flip. Not a good look either way. I would vote LS. ##Vote: LightningStrike Regarding the DP and TTT fight: I just thought it was forced idk why it felt that way. Regarding not trying to read VE: When I was mafia with him he admits he can do everything as either alignment in that Mafia QT so I didn't know how to read him. Regarding DP I only asked others about DP only because I was curious where everyone else was at with him because I misread him badly in Endures 2 Day 1 if you remember I legit thought he was mafia there. DP and TTT was forced or DP and Vivax? Also. Vivax typing words and not backing down is meta town Vivax right? So why not meta read Vivax but instead give a gutfeel DP read? Feels off for you. DP and TTT was forced at least felt that way. Vivax is a lot more active as town and isn't afraid to back down on his own reads so ya Vivax is town atm.
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btw that was mainly trying to answer Vivax's stuff towards me that why I didn't say a word about how I felt about his (Vivax) alignment.
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On August 29 2023 21:57 marvellosity wrote: ##vote: TTT
Will consolidate on to LS if needed. Jakey can wait, he’s a tier below for now. I really don't understand what your doing if your town.
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