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Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 19:42 GMT
#1641
I think rayn trended upwards today.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 19:47 GMT
#1642
On June 14 2023 04:40 Vayoletta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 04:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:27 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:
All caught up now I think TTT might of been my active mafia that was around EoD.
Here was his closer to EoD lynch list:
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.

Notice that in his lynch list was 2 blues and a unknown and he didn't exactly push his prefered lynches at all EoD
Also he lied about his lynch list given that he did had CopCake in his lynch list yet didn't list her in his post I just recently quoted.
Also
On June 13 2023 15:59 TankTopTiger wrote:
Aight. I think I'm a goner.

Even if I somehow make it out of this lynch, I don't think I'll live through the next one now that I'm pretty sure basically everyone is against me. I don't really want to spend the next 1-4 days fighting just to die anyway. I don't really blame people for being sus overall on me, I'm playing differently to last game for sure. But I am frustrated by the constant reading comprehension issues, the repeating the same questions, the ignoring my questions, the pedantry. You guys don't understand how I think, you didn't last game and you don't this game. That's fine but you seem to think you do??That's fine I guess it's just... Too much effort for me. I no longer have agency in the game, I'm not engaged, and I'm pretty bamboozled overall.

When I'm dead: I don't really have strong town reads. My read on Rayn was heavily based on some early interactions, and he hasn't really done much since then. It's stale and since everyone agreed he was town, I didn't really want more work on my plate filtering him when he was never going to be lynched.

DP I can never be sure because I haven't actually encountered his scum play in forum mafia and he speaks very highly of himself in this regard. He seems more agentic than last game where he was town (I don't see how Rayn think's he's current town boss compared to DP, Rayn afked the lynch and hasn't really done much more than perpetuate D1 convoes). I don't like how DP thinks I would go for policy lynches. In no game we have ever played together have I been the type of player to value points on the board over game state. DP, you realise what you're expecting me to want to do is bolt face turn 1 in an FFA right? Right?! I don't really see this as something he could possibly expect from me. I always play for control first every single time.

MZ seems townish but has difficulty understanding other points of view. If someone disagrees with him they're stupid dumdum. He felt this way last game too. MZ, you don't understand what I'm saying, and you're super motivated to twist it into contradiction.

Town is about to be 6-3. I stand by my read on CC, it's the best case. When you see I'm town, also make Vayo answer the question regarding their baseless reads. I'm also suspicious of Marv because he just doesn't seem active enough now he's free. Any other strong town player can't keep themselves from engaging. DP has no time and yet somehow his filter is enormous. I don't know Marv well, but his actual content posts are minimal within a filter barely over two pages long. When I subbed in last game, I felt I had a lot more to say than Marv does now.

Slam is... less than last game. He's just doing less. I have no idea why people have strong ideas about him... actually that's a recurring issue with you lot, you've normalised baseless reads.

Good luck town whoever tf you are <3

Does this feel to over top for anyone else?
Along with all of that I did check his filter he not pushing his ideas as much as last game like Darth had mentioned when I talked to him about TTT. Feels like a mafia TTT this game over his last game.
##Vote: TannkTopTiger


I was just reading that list too, and I'm wondering if it is ATE theatre.

But then I'm wondering why TTT is not pivoting to vote me. I'm the easiest push for wolves here, and he completely ignores it.

Idk I never voted Marv when I had the chance last game to mislynch him as town could be that he is giving up?


TTT could always pivot to me to live an extra day, but I think me flipping town after that would be a death sentence for TTT. I think TTT as wolf would benefit more by sacrificing himself now for the greater good and A) letting other players wagon me or B) getting himself flipped and having town waste the D3 by having me flipped.

TTT must have been aware of the fact that both me and him are being partnered, yet he has not reacted to those allegations in a meaningful way - the way he has spoken so little about me even in his giving up message and the fact that he has not even attempted to fight the allegations of being a wolf with me nor shown concern about them is something I find he would not do as town. He is planning to sink like a Titanic and take me with him to have town waste D3.

Killing me first would cause more suspicion on my wagon where at least one wolf is already hiding and would give the town more chance to re-evaluate the game on D3 instead of just chopping me with little discussion.

This is where my mind is on the matter right now.

As a sidenote I'm fully caught up. Still a bit hazy as I had to speedread a lot.


What I'm trying to say here, the only world where TTT would not react to being paired with me and by being pushed on the basis that they fit with me is that they are wolf and I'm town. If we were w/w (which we aren't) or if TTT is town, they would have a reason to react that or to comment me in some way.

The only world where they would comfortably disregard that is the world where he is wolf and I'm town, and that is outing to me.

I hope this conveys my take here better.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 13 2023 19:48 GMT
#1643
On June 14 2023 04:40 Vayoletta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 04:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:27 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:
All caught up now I think TTT might of been my active mafia that was around EoD.
Here was his closer to EoD lynch list:
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.

Notice that in his lynch list was 2 blues and a unknown and he didn't exactly push his prefered lynches at all EoD
Also he lied about his lynch list given that he did had CopCake in his lynch list yet didn't list her in his post I just recently quoted.
Also
On June 13 2023 15:59 TankTopTiger wrote:
Aight. I think I'm a goner.

Even if I somehow make it out of this lynch, I don't think I'll live through the next one now that I'm pretty sure basically everyone is against me. I don't really want to spend the next 1-4 days fighting just to die anyway. I don't really blame people for being sus overall on me, I'm playing differently to last game for sure. But I am frustrated by the constant reading comprehension issues, the repeating the same questions, the ignoring my questions, the pedantry. You guys don't understand how I think, you didn't last game and you don't this game. That's fine but you seem to think you do??That's fine I guess it's just... Too much effort for me. I no longer have agency in the game, I'm not engaged, and I'm pretty bamboozled overall.

When I'm dead: I don't really have strong town reads. My read on Rayn was heavily based on some early interactions, and he hasn't really done much since then. It's stale and since everyone agreed he was town, I didn't really want more work on my plate filtering him when he was never going to be lynched.

DP I can never be sure because I haven't actually encountered his scum play in forum mafia and he speaks very highly of himself in this regard. He seems more agentic than last game where he was town (I don't see how Rayn think's he's current town boss compared to DP, Rayn afked the lynch and hasn't really done much more than perpetuate D1 convoes). I don't like how DP thinks I would go for policy lynches. In no game we have ever played together have I been the type of player to value points on the board over game state. DP, you realise what you're expecting me to want to do is bolt face turn 1 in an FFA right? Right?! I don't really see this as something he could possibly expect from me. I always play for control first every single time.

MZ seems townish but has difficulty understanding other points of view. If someone disagrees with him they're stupid dumdum. He felt this way last game too. MZ, you don't understand what I'm saying, and you're super motivated to twist it into contradiction.

Town is about to be 6-3. I stand by my read on CC, it's the best case. When you see I'm town, also make Vayo answer the question regarding their baseless reads. I'm also suspicious of Marv because he just doesn't seem active enough now he's free. Any other strong town player can't keep themselves from engaging. DP has no time and yet somehow his filter is enormous. I don't know Marv well, but his actual content posts are minimal within a filter barely over two pages long. When I subbed in last game, I felt I had a lot more to say than Marv does now.

Slam is... less than last game. He's just doing less. I have no idea why people have strong ideas about him... actually that's a recurring issue with you lot, you've normalised baseless reads.

Good luck town whoever tf you are <3

Does this feel to over top for anyone else?
Along with all of that I did check his filter he not pushing his ideas as much as last game like Darth had mentioned when I talked to him about TTT. Feels like a mafia TTT this game over his last game.
##Vote: TannkTopTiger


I was just reading that list too, and I'm wondering if it is ATE theatre.

But then I'm wondering why TTT is not pivoting to vote me. I'm the easiest push for wolves here, and he completely ignores it.

Idk I never voted Marv when I had the chance last game to mislynch him as town could be that he is giving up?


TTT could always pivot to me to live an extra day, but I think me flipping town after that would be a death sentence for TTT. I think TTT as wolf would benefit more by sacrificing himself now for the greater good and A) letting other players wagon me or B) getting himself flipped and having town waste the D3 by having me flipped.

TTT must have been aware of the fact that both me and him are being partnered, yet he has not reacted to those allegations in a meaningful way - the way he has spoken so little about me even in his giving up message and the fact that he has not even attempted to fight the allegations of being a wolf with me nor shown concern about them is something I find he would not do as town. He is planning to sink like a Titanic and take me with him to have town waste D3.

Killing me first would cause more suspicion on my wagon where at least one wolf is already hiding and would give the town more chance to re-evaluate the game on D3 instead of just chopping me with little discussion.

This is where my mind is on the matter right now.

As a sidenote I'm fully caught up. Still a bit hazy as I had to speedread a lot.

Maybe idk but it more likely WIFOM if he flips mafia regarding you with his refusal to vote you.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 13 2023 19:49 GMT
#1644
On June 14 2023 04:47 Vayoletta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 04:40 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:27 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:
All caught up now I think TTT might of been my active mafia that was around EoD.
Here was his closer to EoD lynch list:
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.

Notice that in his lynch list was 2 blues and a unknown and he didn't exactly push his prefered lynches at all EoD
Also he lied about his lynch list given that he did had CopCake in his lynch list yet didn't list her in his post I just recently quoted.
Also
On June 13 2023 15:59 TankTopTiger wrote:
Aight. I think I'm a goner.

Even if I somehow make it out of this lynch, I don't think I'll live through the next one now that I'm pretty sure basically everyone is against me. I don't really want to spend the next 1-4 days fighting just to die anyway. I don't really blame people for being sus overall on me, I'm playing differently to last game for sure. But I am frustrated by the constant reading comprehension issues, the repeating the same questions, the ignoring my questions, the pedantry. You guys don't understand how I think, you didn't last game and you don't this game. That's fine but you seem to think you do??That's fine I guess it's just... Too much effort for me. I no longer have agency in the game, I'm not engaged, and I'm pretty bamboozled overall.

When I'm dead: I don't really have strong town reads. My read on Rayn was heavily based on some early interactions, and he hasn't really done much since then. It's stale and since everyone agreed he was town, I didn't really want more work on my plate filtering him when he was never going to be lynched.

DP I can never be sure because I haven't actually encountered his scum play in forum mafia and he speaks very highly of himself in this regard. He seems more agentic than last game where he was town (I don't see how Rayn think's he's current town boss compared to DP, Rayn afked the lynch and hasn't really done much more than perpetuate D1 convoes). I don't like how DP thinks I would go for policy lynches. In no game we have ever played together have I been the type of player to value points on the board over game state. DP, you realise what you're expecting me to want to do is bolt face turn 1 in an FFA right? Right?! I don't really see this as something he could possibly expect from me. I always play for control first every single time.

MZ seems townish but has difficulty understanding other points of view. If someone disagrees with him they're stupid dumdum. He felt this way last game too. MZ, you don't understand what I'm saying, and you're super motivated to twist it into contradiction.

Town is about to be 6-3. I stand by my read on CC, it's the best case. When you see I'm town, also make Vayo answer the question regarding their baseless reads. I'm also suspicious of Marv because he just doesn't seem active enough now he's free. Any other strong town player can't keep themselves from engaging. DP has no time and yet somehow his filter is enormous. I don't know Marv well, but his actual content posts are minimal within a filter barely over two pages long. When I subbed in last game, I felt I had a lot more to say than Marv does now.

Slam is... less than last game. He's just doing less. I have no idea why people have strong ideas about him... actually that's a recurring issue with you lot, you've normalised baseless reads.

Good luck town whoever tf you are <3

Does this feel to over top for anyone else?
Along with all of that I did check his filter he not pushing his ideas as much as last game like Darth had mentioned when I talked to him about TTT. Feels like a mafia TTT this game over his last game.
##Vote: TannkTopTiger


I was just reading that list too, and I'm wondering if it is ATE theatre.

But then I'm wondering why TTT is not pivoting to vote me. I'm the easiest push for wolves here, and he completely ignores it.

Idk I never voted Marv when I had the chance last game to mislynch him as town could be that he is giving up?


TTT could always pivot to me to live an extra day, but I think me flipping town after that would be a death sentence for TTT. I think TTT as wolf would benefit more by sacrificing himself now for the greater good and A) letting other players wagon me or B) getting himself flipped and having town waste the D3 by having me flipped.

TTT must have been aware of the fact that both me and him are being partnered, yet he has not reacted to those allegations in a meaningful way - the way he has spoken so little about me even in his giving up message and the fact that he has not even attempted to fight the allegations of being a wolf with me nor shown concern about them is something I find he would not do as town. He is planning to sink like a Titanic and take me with him to have town waste D3.

Killing me first would cause more suspicion on my wagon where at least one wolf is already hiding and would give the town more chance to re-evaluate the game on D3 instead of just chopping me with little discussion.

This is where my mind is on the matter right now.

As a sidenote I'm fully caught up. Still a bit hazy as I had to speedread a lot.


What I'm trying to say here, the only world where TTT would not react to being paired with me and by being pushed on the basis that they fit with me is that they are wolf and I'm town. If we were w/w (which we aren't) or if TTT is town, they would have a reason to react that or to comment me in some way.

The only world where they would comfortably disregard that is the world where he is wolf and I'm town, and that is outing to me.

I hope this conveys my take here better.

Ok that is a better explanation but still would be WIFOM though regardless of your alignment with that giving up post.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
June 13 2023 19:50 GMT
#1645
##Unvote
##Vote: TTT


I think I like this one better

I miss rayn‘s presence in thread.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 13 2023 19:51 GMT
#1646
Vay, i don't think rehashing the situation around you and TTT will help much, since you would say the exact same thing if you are mafia with TTT (distancing). I don't think you have many options other than that in case youre both mafia.

If TTT is mafia, why
- is there only one mafia in your wagon?
- Why not two? It's not like anyone could blame anyone for voting you at the time they did..
- Who is the said mafia? General statements like "one of these 3-4 players is mafia" are not helping you atm.
table for two on a tv tray
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 13 2023 19:52 GMT
#1647
On June 14 2023 04:50 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: TTT


I think I like this one better

I miss rayn‘s presence in thread.

You voted in the wrong thread and you just summoned Rayn lol
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 13 2023 19:54 GMT
#1648
Day Two Vote Count

TankTopTiger (4): rayneplikoneet, LightningStrike, Vayoletta, Vivax
Vayoletta (2): marvellosity, Vivax, Meapak_Ziphh
CopCake (2): DarthPunk, Chezinu, TankTopTiger
Chezinu (1): DarthPunk
marvellosity (0): Vivax

Not Voting (2): Alakaslam, CopCake

With 4 votes, TankTopTiger is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 14 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in

I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
June 13 2023 19:56 GMT
#1649
On June 14 2023 04:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 04:50 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: TTT


I think I like this one better

I miss rayn‘s presence in thread.

You voted in the wrong thread and you just summoned Rayn lol


The eldritch gods are in commune with me
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 13 2023 19:57 GMT
#1650
On June 14 2023 04:56 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 04:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:50 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: TTT


I think I like this one better

I miss rayn‘s presence in thread.

You voted in the wrong thread and you just summoned Rayn lol


The eldritch gods are in commune with me

You claiming to be a DnD warlock?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
June 13 2023 19:58 GMT
#1651
On June 14 2023 04:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 04:56 Vivax wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:50 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: TTT


I think I like this one better

I miss rayn‘s presence in thread.

You voted in the wrong thread and you just summoned Rayn lol


The eldritch gods are in commune with me

You claiming to be a DnD warlock?


Yes, but I prefer the term haruspex
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 13 2023 20:00 GMT
#1652
On June 14 2023 04:58 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 04:57 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:56 Vivax wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:50 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: TTT


I think I like this one better

I miss rayn‘s presence in thread.

You voted in the wrong thread and you just summoned Rayn lol


The eldritch gods are in commune with me

You claiming to be a DnD warlock?


Yes, but I prefer the term haruspex

lol
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 20:04 GMT
#1653
On June 14 2023 04:42 Vayoletta wrote:
I think rayn trended upwards today.

What’s the difference on yesterday?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 20:06 GMT
#1654
Slam, Copcake, where are your votes going?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 20:09 GMT
#1655
The wagons are all way too fragmented with European bed time soon
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 20:11 GMT
#1656
If I read TTT’s filter I can find more reasons for him to be town than Vayo. I don’t know if that means TTT is actually town but I do think he’s a worse lynch
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 13 2023 20:11 GMT
#1657
On June 14 2023 05:09 marvellosity wrote:
The wagons are all way too fragmented with European bed time soon

Maybe
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 13 2023 20:11 GMT
#1658
I am staying on TTT, i think it's the best option. I am around sporadically until deadline in case something happens.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 20:11 GMT
#1659
Maybe?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 20:12 GMT
#1660
On June 14 2023 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am staying on TTT, i think it's the best option. I am around sporadically until deadline in case something happens.

Did you see my post? Do you have anything to discuss with it?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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