On June 01 2023 07:35 TankTopTiger wrote: My other account was Spaghetticus, DP already linked it. I had a pattern of being bad and getting mislynched as town.
@Ches @slam @DMB I need you guys to figure out whether you're ignoring me because you think I'm scum, or because you think I'm incompetent. Because it feels like you believe both at once somehow in your quest to lose this game.
You got boring rank. You haven't even joined my game yet. If you want information out of Chez, you have to play along with him.
So if I show you two times (literally every time a scum has been caught) where I suspended my push on Marv in order to secure kills on Scum, you'll see I'm the sort of player that doesn't just tunnel, but who is flexible enough to pursue other opportunities when they present themselves?
On June 01 2023 07:49 TankTopTiger wrote: I want to draw attention back to this. This is a quote DP found from an obs thread where Marv was scum and in trouble, like I believe him to be now. It's a roadmap to how he functions when try-harding as scum from behind.
On January 17 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote: can you even *imagine* what my filter *should* look like in a game this size?
not getting lynched when everyone realises you're mafia is quite the achievement, i'd say :p
There's no such thing as "stylistically" calling certain townies mafia. That's just incorrect play, nothing more, nothing less. And he wasn't the only one.
edit: like town needs to cut through what's important and what's not. calling obvious townies and likely townies mafia is what lets mafia hide!
Damdred and I were playing below our towngames, and noticeably so, and that's what was *actually* important, but it was beautifully drowned out (from scum PoV) from all the crackpot nonsense going on around us, hiding us in amongst the bs.
Marv is playing "below his towngame". He hasn't done anything useful, he led a lynch on town early, he's been caught in lies, he gave up earlier on, he's had a scum completely refuse to vote him to save themselves. In Marvs own words, this is what he looks like when he's scum.
But you guys don't care because you're entertaining conspiratorial notions that actually I'm some sort of smurf (even though this is verifiable by DP who invited me to this game). Crackpot nonsense. According to Marv, this is the sort of bs he hides in when he's scum in order to survive.
@DP, can you please verify that my initial post regarding my level of experience is correct so we can put that to rest?
Yeah, this is the best I have ever seen TTT play, and he hasn't played a forum mafia game since Titanic II.
That part of why he has to be town IMO. Like I have been considering his alignment since yesterday when marv asked why he is so sure of his alignment.
I was considering why he played so well, nailing two scum. Is it TMI? But I think he would slip up and get tied up into knots as mafia, I also don't think he would opt in to shit flinging with Marv as mafia, it would be too draining for him to fake that.
On June 01 2023 07:35 TankTopTiger wrote: My other account was Spaghetticus, DP already linked it. I had a pattern of being bad and getting mislynched as town.
@Ches @slam @DMB I need you guys to figure out whether you're ignoring me because you think I'm scum, or because you think I'm incompetent. Because it feels like you believe both at once somehow in your quest to lose this game.
Neither. I think you are tunneled.
Who do you think is Mafia Slam?
Cause it seems to me like you are town reading everyone in the game at this point?
On June 01 2023 07:35 TankTopTiger wrote: My other account was Spaghetticus, DP already linked it. I had a pattern of being bad and getting mislynched as town.
@Ches @slam @DMB I need you guys to figure out whether you're ignoring me because you think I'm scum, or because you think I'm incompetent. Because it feels like you believe both at once somehow in your quest to lose this game.
You got boring rank. You haven't even joined my game yet. If you want information out of Chez, you have to play along with him.
On May 28 2023 11:21 DarthPunk wrote: By the way Rayn. Rember that podcast that we laughed about Marv not calling people mafia but smelly and stinky and shit.
He has done that exact thing with me this game. And actually played very similarly.
And I think Marv would be motivated to try hard with ve on his team.
So I’m pretty sure he is mafia and have thought that for a bit.
Excuse me young man, what happened here? I definitely hadn’t read this post before or if I did a red mist had descended and I missed this podcast comment
We did a podcast (generous calling it that) analysing a game in which you played active mafia, basically we all read you as mafia right away because you were pushing suspicions on people, but taking forever to call them scum. You would call them smelly, stinky, whatever but not mafia.
You did that a little bit in this game, it's why my town read on you was re-evaluated night 1.
On June 01 2023 07:35 TankTopTiger wrote: My other account was Spaghetticus, DP already linked it. I had a pattern of being bad and getting mislynched as town.
@Ches @slam @DMB I need you guys to figure out whether you're ignoring me because you think I'm scum, or because you think I'm incompetent. Because it feels like you believe both at once somehow in your quest to lose this game.
Neither. I think you are tunneled.
Who do you think is Mafia Slam?
Cause it seems to me like you are town reading everyone in the game at this point?
Wish I had the time. Will try a bit... but today was long and I kinda just want to see the flip... and then go from there. Who dies will probably have a lot of impact on who I think is the last one
On May 31 2023 20:12 TankTopTiger wrote: @Everybody If Marv flips green just fucking lynch me. Quote this post. A town TTT under no circumstance lives if Marv is mislynched. Just vote me no questions asked. It will be really hard for me to talk you out of that shit if you post this quote at me.
The thing is, this whole day Marv just been spam posting and blatantly rewriting history trying to bury his Ls (and luckily for us, generating new ones). He knows that you guys aren't paying attention. Like... right now... He literally just lied about his day 3 vote (see post #2942 & #2945) and he expects you to not pick up on it. Read it please. He lied bigly. This is a killshot and you're not even listening.
You’re the one that’s trying to rewrite history about my LS vote, I’ve been really straight forward with it.
Mostly because it was amazingly uncomplicated. The only complicated thing was untunnelling from DP for long enough to actually make the vote.
The case was uncomplicated but Marv couldn't recall why he voted. It was uncomplicated but Marv claimed part of the reason he voted LS was because of LS's vote on Marv. LS did not vote Marv. So this "uncomplicated" case is something Marv apparently can't remember and still doesn't understand.
I made the case on LS. This case? It's literally the strongest case I've ever made in forum mafia:
On May 30 2023 12:04 TankTopTiger wrote: @LightningStrike Waaay too early in the game, you gave Marv a town read for not folding to DP's D1 pressure. You are aware of Marv's "fold as scum" meta.
But right now, Marv has folded, and your vote is on DP.
On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: Hey I was busy last night and didn't check to see if the game started and caught up now! Marv looks town to me? I think he would of folded as mafia considering he is known for that given the pressure he was getting from DP but he continued posting his thoughts like I remembered how he was in XXX in 2015. VE is null he hasn't posted anything since a few hours ago will wait for judgement on him. dmb is null the stuff for why she scumreading Vivax is very odd? Koshi is town so far he been posting like I remembered how he was when I played back then. Rayn looks town I like the pressure on dmb from him so far and waiting for a conclusion of his pressure on her. DP I didn't like his early posting towards Marv (Even suggesting Marv is mafia??) and then gave a hard townread on dmb?His evolution of his read on Marv does seem organic. Null for now I guess.
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Receipts.
On May 30 2023 12:18 TankTopTiger wrote: This looks extremely sus to me. I haven't been paying attention to your and DP's conversation, so this might have already been covered, but if you can't or haven't explained this then you are the deepest red possible for me. I cannot envision a world in which you are aware of his meta, base your reads on him on that meta, then don't change your mind when you see him fold.
On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: Hey I was busy last night and didn't check to see if the game started and caught up now! Marv looks town to me? I think he would of folded as mafia considering he is known for that given the pressure he was getting from DP but he continued posting his thoughts like I remembered how he was in XXX in 2015. VE is null he hasn't posted anything since a few hours ago will wait for judgement on him. dmb is null the stuff for why she scumreading Vivax is very odd? Koshi is town so far he been posting like I remembered how he was when I played back then. Rayn looks town I like the pressure on dmb from him so far and waiting for a conclusion of his pressure on her. DP I didn't like his early posting towards Marv (Even suggesting Marv is mafia??) and then gave a hard townread on dmb?His evolution of his read on Marv does seem organic. Null for now I guess.
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
On May 30 2023 03:17 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and Marv gave up I don't know how to feel about that to be honest. Also dmb ninja voted Marv too. Hmmm
On May 29 2023 10:05 LightningStrike wrote: I mean it's to much as there was 2 people but still point stand it was still RNG'd just towards VIvax over MZ.
Its not RNG though, he is asking who he should vote for? We all read that right? so then we are going to be racing to start a post with our preffered lynch,
Which is what slam did,
Is none of this changing your mind?
If Slam and Chez flipped town right now who is the final mafia?
To be fair he did say Even character be Vivax Odd be MZ in his very next post but regardless. If Slam and Chez flipped ( I had them nulls but Chez thing was a misread overall and had him town before hand but want to confirm his alignment for the rest of the town) town I will have to do an entire evaluation of the entire game from scratch which I had done before as town.
OK but can you re-evaluate now as a hypothetical?
If I really had to use a gun to point at my head and assume both flipping town right at this very second maybe Marv, and you? But mostly because I would have to accept my read on Marv is wrong but I am pretty sure I can read him.
On May 29 2023 10:24 LightningStrike wrote: Unless you want me to just do an entire revaluation right now based i can try right now but that i had going into the filter dives.
The problem is, I read slam and Chez both as town, I know I am town, so in a world in which you are town, I want to kind of see if I can agree with any of your thought processes or reads, and see if we can read the game in a way that makes sense together.
I making this assumption in which you also do flip town along with Chez and Slam just for this: Team would be Marv and TTT by PoE mostly because I think Rayn is town because he didn't trappy play Day 1 like he did in XXX along with how he been posting and playing seems like normal town Rayn. dmb I don't see how she could ever be mafia with VE given what I posted about it earlier. I know my own alignment as town and by PoE it would be them in that case.
If your read was "if Marv folds D1 scum, else: town". Why would you twice say you would be willing to consider Marv as mafia after D1. Furthermore, why would you only say this up until the point he folds, then refuse to vote for him?
...and Marv says he voted without even considering any of it.
DP, you are literally the only one paying any attention. I was right about MZ, I was right about VE, I was right about LS, I am right to confirm you town. I have a demonstrable handle on this game but Marv is trying to paint me as over-tunneled after literally catching mafia every day I've been in the game.
Maybe it's wishful thinking but what I suspect is that right now you're trying to avoid NK by not acting too suspicious of Marv, so I kinda expect you're writing something up similar to me to dump before the NK hits (just in case). I'm not sure if it'll work, because I think Marv has played so loosely you can't not suspect him and he knows it, but you did lead the lynch off of him and onto LS, so that's certainly in your favour.
I'm burying this post within a fourth so Marv can't have time to adjust NK to this. This is more like the concluding post, but the fourth on VE is still relevant and good information.
If I'm NKed, I want it to be really clear once I'm dead that your townliness is unquestionable.
Unfortunately, if you're NKed instead of me, I'm done. To me, the game was solved two days ago, and nobody but you will listen. This game was super interesting, and I've learned an enormous amount, but I feel I lack the influence to actually impact the game. Marv is too good at manipulating the herd. So if I'm alone with sheep town against Marv, I'll vote myself in the hopes that after I'm dead, having a track record of being right about literally everything all game, sheep town will realise that I'm not red and I'm not stupid and will vote for Marv at lylo.
Note where Marv's vote is on VE. Seems like he sheeped. Literally only beat the trolls and lurkers across the finishing line. But I didn't sheep, I built a case, even if Marv is pretending I didn't.
On May 27 2023 09:07 TankTopTiger wrote: I think if VE is green, then red DP knew he was green when he switched, and trusted VE to make a big enough mess to get lynched for it before DP. In that scenario, DP also expected MZ to be alive (and directed vig attention at lurkers), which means that after hammering the mislynch, DP would have two days of mess before the lynchmob came for him.
So to me, lynching VE also gives me a read on DP, who I know I will otherwise struggle with.
Add to that that VE did blind lead a mob on a townie, has generally felt fake for a long time, seems to want to put attention on lurkers/trolls - VE is my top lynch for today by a pretty decent margin.
##: vote VisceraEyes
I'm going to a lunch, I'll be back later before the lynch. I don't really see myself changing my mind on this, but hey surprises happen.
This is where I start my case on VE. At this point, only DMB is parked on him, and tmk, she parked without making a case. Marv claimed he contributed, but he sheeped. He claimed I didn't contribute, but I made the first case after which town piled on.
On May 27 2023 18:47 TankTopTiger wrote: At least in my eyes, it's so small though.
With players like I'm pigeonholing LS as, their variance is high. So that 10% scummer move is more like a 2-10% scummer move depending on the day.
But with VE, he's just blatantly led a lynch D1, while being the sort of player who would do that as scum. He's had absolutely shocking posts where he confidently asserts dumb shit. He's tried to sheep at any chance he can. He hasn't shown any curiosity at all. He's about as red as someone can be, but nEvEr MiNd GuYs he's just crazy like that. No, he's scummy. And I'm sick of pretending he's not.
Unless you know something I don't about VE, I don't really see how you can ignore this flagrant shittery.
This is me pushing for VE's lynch.
On May 27 2023 18:50 TankTopTiger wrote: You talk about LS being clearly performative, but VE is more performative.
You talk about lack of engagement, but VE has been more present while demonstrating similar engagement (he's accusing but not searching).
You say LS lacks conviction but VE is just pretending to have conviction.
I just don't get it. If VE weren't right in front of me I'd probably be taking your case seriously rn but it's been eclipsed.
This is me pushing to lynch VE over LS. LS was mafia, who I later focused on, but at this time I was trying to get town to focus on VE.
On May 28 2023 07:32 TankTopTiger wrote: I read your post DP.
You missed that monstrous list he did D1, which IMO is almost enough to put someone in the gallows on its own.
I agree with some of your reads on him (especially the one where he was empathetic about someone wanting to have a read on their partner, that was my interpretation too), but we see a lot of their filter differently.
From what people say, VE is big balls player. IIRC Rayn or Marv cited him as having bragged that this is exactly the sort of thing he would do (brazenly lead a lynch on town D1). You call it a next-level play, and I guess it is in a way, but it's something that seems on the cards regardless.
His outburst at rayn felt a little more genuine but again, over the top. Do people accuse others of gaslighting in anger frfr? Maybe I'm out of touch, but not quite convincing to me. It's also possible to be feel disrespected as mafia when trying to abuse the respect you don't receive. The sentiment is extremely relatable (Rayn and others pushing others to play the game the way they insist), but this could also be VE trying to appeal to existent townie frustrations.
This is me again fighting to have VE lynched.
So overall, Marv pretended he made cases on VE and LS, but can't provide them. He lied about his reasons for voting on LS in particular. He lied about my level of contribution. He's relying on a lazy town who doesn't pay attention.
TOWN MARVE CONTRIBUTES BY D4 AND DOESN'T NEED TO LIE ABOUT IT
Whether I'm NKed or not, I'm done with the game. I'm happy with how I played, but obviously, I've got a lot to learn about how to actually exert influence.
Ok basically I am hoping that there is enough confusion in the direction I am going, that I get Night Killed therefore providing some further clarity to solving the game.
I think this game is basically in two worlds as I have said previously.
1.) Marv is mafia
or
2.) Marv is not mafia and I have been masterfully manipulated into thinking he is by the scum team.
The reason I believe this to be the case is that from the start of the game, two of the confirmed mafia have been setting up some kind of showdown between myself and marv.
Look at both the entry posts to the game from VE and LS
On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: Hey I was busy last night and didn't check to see if the game started and caught up now! Marv looks town to me? I think he would of folded as mafia considering he is known for that given the pressure he was getting from DP but he continued posting his thoughts like I remembered how he was in XXX in 2015. VE is null he hasn't posted anything since a few hours ago will wait for judgement on him. dmb is null the stuff for why she scumreading Vivax is very odd? Koshi is town so far he been posting like I remembered how he was when I played back then. Rayn looks town I like the pressure on dmb from him so far and waiting for a conclusion of his pressure on her. DP I didn't like his early posting towards Marv (Even suggesting Marv is mafia??) and then gave a hard townread on dmb? His evolution of his read on Marv does seem organic. Null for now I guess.
LS was very spewy as mafia, I have read his filter again and again and everything points to some weird association with Marv:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Marv had trouble in handling SRs on him without exploding. But I think that applied to a lot of us gamers. I think the paranoia on him got so annoying that he stopped fighting, doesn‘t mean he didn‘t fight for a good portion of his history and could do it again.
Maybe I am not getting why people were getting paranoid of his scum game though? Regardless though what is your read on Marv atm?
This is really out of place. Why would you ask your town read what his read on your other town read is in this situation?
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Marv had trouble in handling SRs on him without exploding. But I think that applied to a lot of us gamers. I think the paranoia on him got so annoying that he stopped fighting, doesn‘t mean he didn‘t fight for a good portion of his history and could do it again.
Maybe I am not getting why people were getting paranoid of his scum game though? Regardless though what is your read on Marv atm?
This is really out of place. Why would you ask your town read what his read on your other town read is in this situation?
I wanted to see where he is at with Marv to gain another perspective? Like I know I could be wrong on Marv and all but he never posted it unless I misread his filter.
LS hard town reads and hard defends Marv all game, and he tries to throw as much doubt as possible on me all game.
On May 25 2023 08:52 LightningStrike wrote: Ok first filter I just looked at is MZ because I remembered he was wanting me dead and I did know people were wanting to lynch him: If he is town well he been tunneled on me and Marv this entire cycle and was making bad points towards Marv. Maybe mafia motivation because he refused to reconsider his reads on me and Marv.
Then LS tries to use the Koshi night kill to form a wagon on me:
On May 25 2023 08:52 LightningStrike wrote: Ok first filter I just looked at is MZ because I remembered he was wanting me dead and I did know people were wanting to lynch him: If he is town well he been tunneled on me and Marv this entire cycle and was making bad points towards Marv. Maybe mafia motivation because he refused to reconsider his reads on me and Marv.
Like this play is soooo polarising. Is that the point? Is LS such a god tier mafia player that he is trying to create an association with marv and myself from the start of the game, planning on never night killing either of us so that eventually we will mislynch eachother?
Or is he just literally bad, and is hard defending his strongest scum partner all game, and assuming we will talk ourselves out of it because it is Too simple.
On May 29 2023 10:50 LightningStrike wrote: DP if I flip town (Which I know I will) Can you name your mafia team?
Yep. Marv and DMB.
Reason for DMB?
I give my scum team if LS is mafia, and he doesn't ask for clarity on why marv is in the team, presumably if marv is town then he knows I am wrong on this point, and he is trying to get me lynched, so why doesn't he push back here. I think its because he knows I am correct
Like most of LS's play in this game is oriented around marv, and I just don;t believe he is good enough to do that deliberately, planned from the start of the game, in order to get marv mislynched when he could just NK town marv.
On May 29 2023 11:04 LightningStrike wrote: Well that NK point towards me.... At least I was right about my read on him.
Why?
I am not seeing how this NK implicates anyone, Rayn was so town it hurts and is the only one of us who has managed to actually catch scum
Like the team would then just let him live?
Pure WIFOM to think anything is implied by this NK other than "raynpelikoneet good"
Let's see in his last will he did say to lynch me today. Yes I do know he is a good player but why did he not get killed Night 1 then?
My god this is bad. Is Koshi not a good player?
Look how easy it is do even a smiple NK anallysis of this
Koshi suspected Marv during day 1 Died Night 1
Rayn suspected Marv during day 2 Died Night 2.
Marv is generally a legit monster town player why did he not die night 1.
Like, I don't even.....
Koshi in general doesn't die Night 1 over Rayn at least from what I remembered when both are town heck he flips his reads a bit more than Rayn does in general. Marv not dying Night 1 could set him up as a possible lynch or him being wrong? I guess idk man it's WIFOM. Maybe Rayn and Koshi were right and I was wrong about Marv?
THIS NEXT POST IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POST IN THE GAME
On May 30 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote: LightningStrike, if you are town you need to vote with me and lynch DP.
If not, then I will flip town, DP will get lynched and flip mafia, then you will get lynched. Your choice bud.
On January 17 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote: can you even *imagine* what my filter *should* look like in a game this size?
not getting lynched when everyone realises you're mafia is quite the achievement, i'd say :p
There's no such thing as "stylistically" calling certain townies mafia. That's just incorrect play, nothing more, nothing less. And he wasn't the only one.
edit: like town needs to cut through what's important and what's not. calling obvious townies and likely townies mafia is what lets mafia hide!
Damdred and I were playing below our towngames, and noticeably so, and that's what was *actually* important, but it was beautifully drowned out (from scum PoV) from all the crackpot nonsense going on around us, hiding us in amongst the bs.
yeah.....
Town marv does not talk about who is 'worthy of a swap
On May 31 2023 16:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Then I'm happy to be lynched, right after you ofc.
You’re not worthy of a 1 to 1 swap. DP is.
Town marv finds and lynches mafia, and talks about who is and isn't mafia.
On May 31 2023 16:51 marvellosity wrote: Let’s not engage again. I literally cannot wait for post game if you’re town
Town marv does not prey on fear. He lynches mafia based on logic
I also have been thinking of VE back flip on Marv and myself one must be mafia.
On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that.
I think this post nailed him:
On May 24 2023 19:26 DarthPunk wrote: By the way I have been reading my old games, and I came across this:
On September 28 2014 12:41 geript wrote: But maybe DP. VE really does like to do "one of these two is mafia" as mafia, lynch the town then form a townread on his partner.
I know I said I would not use meta, but I thought I would put it out there for discussion of something other than DMB
On May 24 2023 19:26 DarthPunk wrote: By the way I have been reading my old games, and I came across this:
On September 28 2014 12:41 geript wrote: But maybe DP. VE really does like to do "one of these two is mafia" as mafia, lynch the town then form a townread on his partner.
I know I said I would not use meta, but I thought I would put it out there for discussion of something other than DMB
On May 25 2023 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I still think the meat train sucks. Like, I'm filtering Vivax now and I'd much rather lynch that than the meaty one. Here I'll show you.
Where did the one of marv/DP is scum end and why?
Did you not hear my song?
Marv and DP both look better on reread, idk if work/sleep changed my perspective, but they both seem town now. I couldn't even remember when I woke up and filtered MYSELF why I actually thought marv was mafia. DP has been like ubertryhard town the whole time.
I'm more interested in why you give a shit unless you want to lynch one of DP or marv and why you aren't CURRENTLY voting Vivax.
I promise that I have really, really tried to think about a situation that Marv is town, if only because it will mean the LS switch was godlike.
But honestly, there is no way Marv is not mafia in this spot.
If I die, you need to lynch him.
If you don't believe you need to lynch him.
DO NOT LET HIM GET TO A LYLO WITH DMB AND TTT
DMB you have been pocketed hard this game, I would really like you to turn that natural scepticism onto marv and genuinely consider thatTTT and I might have solved the game, yesterday was a scum LS vs Scum Marv lynch and it really was that simple. Because OCCAMS RAZOR
Somehow, if you lynch Marv and he is town, the final mafia is most likely chezinu for the reasons I pushed after the night 3 post, and Spew from LS
If you are town you need to read this post carefully
On May 28 2023 11:21 DarthPunk wrote: By the way Rayn. Rember that podcast that we laughed about Marv not calling people mafia but smelly and stinky and shit.
He has done that exact thing with me this game. And actually played very similarly.
And I think Marv would be motivated to try hard with ve on his team.
So I’m pretty sure he is mafia and have thought that for a bit.
This actually happened, Marv when he played as active mafia back in the day, had a couple of tells.
1.) he soft pushed people while not outright calling them mafia, and instead stinky/smelly
2.) he gave up quickly under pressure.
Im going to address the first one here.
On May 25 2023 03:01 marvellosity wrote: MZ your characterisation of what I said about you as OMGUS is weak sauce.
There is no curiosity in your posts about my alignment whatsoever.
On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote: So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time.
On May 25 2023 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:08 marvellosity wrote: Onegu, less blabla, more desperately trying to make yourself useful - I thank you
Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started.
Maybe this is helpful
##Vote: Marvellosity
I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this .
I mean like shiiiittt...
Yeah this is bad. lol.
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?
On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Hmph....
I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D
On May 25 2023 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.
I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"
Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"
Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.
On May 25 2023 08:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.
I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point.
Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
because things may and will change in hours between the posts.
OK, that is fine.
But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?
I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.
This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some.
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
VE posts this interpretation
On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax.
Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it.
On May 25 2023 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP.
I don't think he is mafia. I also am not convinced MZ is town, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes going on.
I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided.
On May 25 2023 10:39 DarthPunk wrote: Day One Vote Count
Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread.
I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to:
1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming
2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so.
3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome.
I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1?
Like sure. But these are the questions.
1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way 2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way 3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
On May 29 2023 23:33 marvellosity wrote:
Also, please read again the passage of play where I start calling DP mafia. He was not calling me mafia before that. He tells me he knew my scumread on him was coming - he knew he'd misplayed. Tell you what, if I'm town in DP's position there, as far as I'm concerned I've just listened to a very likely townie (rayn) and voted for mafia (VE). I'd be feeling nervous (about the lynch to come) but happy. I wouldn't be feeling guilty - "I knew this read on me was coming". The inherent guilt of being mafia. Then the way he starts calling me mafia - "FWIW I think marv could be mafia". Of course he just happens to wait until I have called him mafia, and then very casually says "FWIW".
None of anything of what DP has done is how a townie thinks. Lynch him with fire
I will not defend myself any further - this is my position. I will take no questions from DP because he is mafia. TTT - if you are just going to take the position that I am mafia spewing bs, fine. But assuming you are town, please go back, read my thoughts here again as if they are legitimately townie, and think about them. If you don't believe me, fine. Lynch me and then come back to this post.
The bolded is really interesting and basically confirms marv is mafia ( i was having small doubts by his emotions when rayn called him out)
But marv should know that this is coming because he was soft pushing me since day one, without calling me mafia, (massive scum tell) and this is actually the source of Confirmed town MZ's mafia read on marv
On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote: It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them.
Well rayn definitely isn’t hiding, so what do you mean?[/QUOTE
On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote: The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here.
If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time?
On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote: It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great.
Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here?
Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote: [quote] I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure?
If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right.
I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote.
Goodio?
It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread.
And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second. But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times.
I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out.
So you think me and Vivax were writing our thoughts on the thread at the same time because we were wrting also onb discord on how to hide?
And you after that said you are sure Vivax is mafia, like completely and utterly sure. Why does that not apply to me as per your earlier investigations? And how are you so sure?
You two stopped writing here for the same time, looked like you two where both something doing for the same 10 min and coming back here at the same time. I just preferred to vote Vivax out first because he brought me in this game.
Have you entertained the possibility of coincidence?
Marv the socratic method only works if you actually come up with a conclusion:
It doesn't feel like you're trying to draw out reasoning, it feels like you're just filling space by asking questions and then not really offering interpretations on the answers you get. You've had several people respond to your questions and rather than make meaning of the information that they've given you just continue asking questions. I'm all for asking questions but at some point your posts just start to sound like this:
On May 23 2023 22:10 marvellosity wrote: If I had to answer the question, it’s a lot of text to not say very much or actively silly stuff about killing lurkers. Text for the sake of writing text.
It's really funny to me that you wrote this post because I absolutely hate when people do what you're talking about, I call it Contributing Without Contributing and I consider it a fairly decent scumtell for most players, regardless of how experienced or inexperienced they are. Given the fact that you really haven't come to any real conclusions based on your questions, it's starting to feel as though they're simply a method to create the appearance of activity without having to actually provide concrete reads or say something of substance.
I really wouldn't have a problem with constant questions if you did something with it but you still haven't generated any real reads from it which is a warning sign to me.
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
This is when I started to suspect Marv, and this is why the post below from marv is not genuine.
On May 23 2023 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv do you think DP is mafia or town atm?
Don’t know
This line of posts bothers me because it feels like you're setting up for a soft push on DarthPunk but you're not willing to actually stand behind it. You constantly undercut your own read, to me that's scummy. Either stand behind your read or don't reveal it until you have more certainty, otherwise it feels like mafia leaving behind little post-it notes to muddle up the thread, you'll be easily positioned to vote DP but you'll never have to accept responsibility if he flips green.
On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend.
I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread.
Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.
I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Given my activity trying to draw MB out on their reasoning, these 2 don’t mesh so well.
It's funny that you bring up your questioning as a defense because that's exactly what I was expecting to hear when I was first reading the thread. I'll reference back to my earlier point that your activity hasn't been really pro-town and more an attempt to look involved without having to put your neck on the line.
And as to those points not meshing... the discussion was useful because it revealed you as being useless. + Show Spoiler +
useless in the context of the game <3
Rayn's reaction to this case:
On May 28 2023 13:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a huge fucking clown tbh not to see that... It's probably the best case in the game.
Other reasons marv is Mafia:
Marv is a self proclaimed VE expert, but rayn says this about Marv on VE:
On May 28 2023 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a sucker for some things he says, it was quite hard to convince him on VE while it would be easy to see for him. All the reasons. We will see.
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
On May 28 2023 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: very early but koshi can come back to this..
1. Why did he (DP) hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way
marv wrote that. Why is DP, but not VE suspect of this?
On May 28 2023 12:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh right why doesn't marv feel like Slam is mafia when he voted "against" him D1? Like all Slam did was to praise marv and then voted for Vivax, i would expect marv would be annoyed at that shit but instead he calls Slam town.
On May 27 2023 10:41 marvellosity wrote: Slam, Chez, Onegu, LS etc are all doing a good job of appearing town are they? Really????
LS is DP's top mafia read, why is he here?
On May 28 2023 12:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv thinks and was one of the first to think Slam is town, why can't DP think Slam is town?
On May 28 2023 12:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is VE suspicious to some extent but never TOO suspicious, it was not hard to pick up the right things? Why is DP more suspicious than VE? I know on paper i would also say DP is suspicious but everything is not on paper, like the Koshi thingy, blaming me on his vote shit that's next level if mafia...
On May 28 2023 12:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ugh.. why is it so bad for DP to hop on VE "too fast"? marv agreed on the same case VE did.
On May 28 2023 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you still think DP and LS could be teammates marv?
In all honesty I haven’t concentrated on LS related stuff today. Are there reasons beyond your (possibly valid) one yesterday you talked to me about?
Do you know whats fucking weird. Why does he notthink about LS. When I have been posting about him for days, surely if he was suspicious of me, he would have thought about LS because I have been trying to get him lynched.
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
agreed
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i think that's the kicker
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i think that's the kicker
the LS thing
On May 29 2023 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DP and marv.. Ugh... Like every time i am in the thread with marv we're seeing things pretty similarly. That's usually town tell. I consider myself a decent player and if another decent player agrees with me then we're usually doing right things, and even if he is mafia we're still doing right things. That is early on. Lately there have been things that bug me. All the questions i asked yesterday i think are worth asking. I am not completely sure they make him look mafia but they are still worth asking. Maybe the biggest thing is i don't get how he can feel so strongly about DP being mafia, even before VE flip. It doesn't make sense to me, nor does the AFTER flip reaction when i have just kinda lead a lynch on mafia VE:
On May 28 2023 14:19 marvellosity wrote: Great result with VE.
If rayn is thinking about pushing me now maybe i am wrong about DP and I have been mega duped by rayn. Maybe that’s why Koshi died N1.
Because I look at the number of posts rayn hard-reads me as town and now this? I don’t understand it.
Like.... rayn leads a lynch on mafia VE, DP is big suspect for marv, suddenly after flip i am mafia just because i have doubts about him as i clearly can't figure out all mafia as Onegu also flips. It's just... idk, maybe he is just a bit butthurt i am calling him mafia, i really don't know because it doesn't look natural. Another thing is i think DP was way more natural to flip his read on VE. To me that felt like "i thought he was town but shiiiitt.. this is good you nailed it dude!", which is really natural when i read an ACTUAL good case.
I also know marv has had doubts on VE a long time, but never really acted on them. I don't think there was a lot of time left when i made my case on VE, i DO have a feeling marv SHOULD see those things before, and acted on them. Hell he wrote good stuff like "VE lynches Vivax because D1 is the only day when he can lynch town Vivax", really good shit. But not realising VE is mafia earlier when all the evidence is there? Weird.
And just in case you are swayed by marvs appeals to emotion, you need to hold firm.
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
Yeah i'm dumb. But at least you can read why I thought what I thought, [...]
see my problem is, as it is with most of those pbp analysis posts. you can always make out a lot of posts that seem townie from a person who posts a lot. it is the little things that make them mafia. 10 townie things do not make 1 scummy thing -> town. otherwise i would always read marv town in this game for instance.
On May 25 2023 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote: So I know why /I/ think marv is town.
But honestly I don't know why anyone else does. Is that weird? That's weird isn't it?
On May 28 2023 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry marv but the more i look at this it looks more disgusting...........
EPT
