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There are many small reasons that are hard to quantify, like I said before, DP and I know each other very well, but these are the two that form the bulk of my perspective and are easy to communicate:
1) Do you remember what Rayn said about Marv on D1? How he was gently guiding everything to try and make town successful (even if this didn't turn out to be the case)? Well, DP did that without taking credit. He's the only one who knew my "meta". When both Koshi and Rayn suspected me because I see things differently, he stepped up and revealed my identity, showing them both how exactly these feelings had caused Rayn to mislynch me once before 10 years ago or w/e. If he was mafia, he could have just let town fight for all of night one and probably day two (and believe you me, I was ready to throw down with those two - I was super pissed off with their cliquing). DP fixed the issue, and freed up myself, Koshi, and Rayn to be productive town (to emphasise, that's two confirmed good town players plus me). He did this not to advance his own town claim, but to ensure town was productive. This was a huge unsung contribution that dwarfs most other actions in the game IMO.
Secondly, while I was focused almost entirely on Marv, DP was developing a case on LS, who I also have a strong red read on. While it wasn't actually anything DP said about LS that convinced me (I encountered what I consider a fatal contradiction when reading back through the filter), the fact he was there before me suggests he cottoned onto something real via his own methods.
Another big reason is I don't think it's plausible for DP and Marv to both be red, so DP's townliness is proportional to Marv's scumliness, and Marv is scummy by every metric people have provided me with via his meta on top of my own independent criteria.
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On May 30 2023 22:26 TankTopTiger wrote:
There are many small reasons that are hard to quantify, like I said before, DP and I know each other very well, but these are the two that form the bulk of my perspective and are easy to communicate:
1) Do you remember what Rayn said about Marv on D1? How he was gently guiding everything to try and make town successful (even if this didn't turn out to be the case)? Well, DP did that without taking credit. He's the only one who knew my "meta". When both Koshi and Rayn suspected me because I see things differently, he stepped up and revealed my identity, showing them both how exactly these feelings had caused Rayn to mislynch me once before 10 years ago or w/e. If he was mafia, he could have just let town fight for all of night one and probably day two (and believe you me, I was ready to throw down with those two - I was super pissed off with their cliquing). DP fixed the issue, and freed up myself, Koshi, and Rayn to be productive town (to emphasise, that's two confirmed good town players plus me). He did this not to advance his own town claim, but to ensure town was productive. This was a huge unsung contribution that dwarfs most other actions in the game IMO.
Secondly, while I was focused almost entirely on Marv, DP was developing a case on LS, who I also have a strong red read on. While it wasn't actually anything DP said about LS that convinced me (I encountered what I consider a fatal contradiction when reading back through the filter), the fact he was there before me suggests he cottoned onto something real via his own methods.
Another big reason is I don't think it's plausible for DP and Marv to both be red, so DP's townliness is proportional to Marv's scumliness, and Marv is scummy by every metric people have provided me with via his meta on top of my own independent criteria.
If marv get lynced as M we know LS is the third mpgm (mafia pussy gang member).
But what you would to if Marv lynched as town. Like this case would change many things.
Just wonder what would you think about DP if Marv get lynched and we see he was Town?
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On May 30 2023 22:10 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2023 14:08 Alakaslam wrote:On May 30 2023 13:07 LightningStrike wrote:On May 30 2023 12:58 TankTopTiger wrote:
You said you were pretty sure you could read him but your read comes down to "if he folds D1 he's mafia" and "if he folds later than this he's confirmed town"? Ya he pretty much really only try hard as town only a few times he did he did try hard as mafia but it so rare though like Imperial. Imperial was the last game where he went full tryhard mode as mafia. Oh God I hosted that thing. That was a horrible game for Marv and like everyone involved. Iirc it is over 500 pages long. i would not trust a game with you as a host. I could just imagen you as a LHF (low hanging fruit) troll host.
BTW your username is worse then mine. It sounds like they guy who is on the airport with a suspect backpack and just get called out from the security on a side room
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Can you quote me the post that Koshi is talking about? I couldn't find it in filter.
TBH I don't read everything in detail. When my attention snags on something that I feel isn't the way it should be, I need to follow that until I'm satisfied otherwise the sheer weight of information will overwhelm me. So if I don't have something I'm chewing on, I skim until I snag, and then I resolve and resume skimming. But this game I'm constantly snagged. I was trying to tunnel Marv but VE snagged me harder. Then more recently I was again trying to tunnel marv and I snagged on LS (although these cases are more related). This is my process, and it works well for me by prioritising my learning and engagement.
At the time, Koshi was being a super annoying bastard who wasn't allowing me to push my line of questioning. Every time I tried to question the status quo, Rayn or Koshi would put roadblocks in my way and addressing whatever you said was one such roadblock.
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If Marv is town, I still think there's a case on LS, but I'm willing to consider DP as well. I will have to take a step back and reconsider a lot. I would genuinely have no clue why DP would have done the things he's done, but I know he's a better player than me so it's always possible he's just that far ahead. I really doubt it though.
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On May 30 2023 17:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2023 14:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Like, Chezinu is a rare high IQ gentleman troll.
I am a common upper normal IQ asshole in that BMW that just cut you off in his aviators trust fund baby troll.
Holyflare was like that lawyer who was always across the bench from you.
Raynpelikoneer is like the guy who is really chill and cool until you look at him funny and then you find him everywhere asking how exactly you hold this nonsense logic? Do you really call it logic? Really? Come on. What do you actually believe, scum? When actually you got lazy and fucked up
Koshi is like Rayn but from Belgium, not Finland, so the cigarettes have been replaced with coffee and so he is posting like 10x more
Contrast this with Ver, Ace, Foolishness, Hapahauli (my birthdate twin, btw he is like 3 hours older than I am) Igrok, Conversion, Chezinu it is easy to see how the environment was... less great. What was I slam i am sad to be left out of the analysis? ( although I only played around 30 games)
You were Darthpunk. Unfortunately, I remember you as one of those who didn't want to tolerate my brand of trolling. Young BMW punks call that "mean" but now that I am basically mean and self aware I don't want to call someone who I have found out is not that, that
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Day three Vote Count
Marvellosity (5): TankTopTiger, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Alakaslam, Chezinu, die_meatbaby
DarthPunk (2): Marvellosity, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Chezinu
LightningStrike (0): Alakaslam
With 5 votes, Marvellosity is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, May 31 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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On May 30 2023 22:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Can you quote me the post that Koshi is talking about? I couldn't find it in filter.
TBH I don't read everything in detail. When my attention snags on something that I feel isn't the way it should be, I need to follow that until I'm satisfied otherwise the sheer weight of information will overwhelm me. So if I don't have something I'm chewing on, I skim until I snag, and then I resolve and resume skimming. But this game I'm constantly snagged. I was trying to tunnel Marv but VE snagged me harder. Then more recently I was again trying to tunnel marv and I snagged on LS (although these cases are more related). This is my process, and it works well for me by prioritising my learning and engagement.
At the time, Koshi was being a super annoying bastard who wasn't allowing me to push my line of questioning. Every time I tried to question the status quo, Rayn or Koshi would put roadblocks in my way and addressing whatever you said was one such roadblock.
If you filter Koshi it´s on page 10. One of the last posts he made before he was killed in his sleep by Marv or DP.
And I know Koshi can be a annoying but this made him a good (Town) player. Asking someone more often questions that go in the opposite direction opens a new portal of possibilities and suspects. Some see this as a bad trait, but I see it as a provocative genius move, although it has also annoyed me from time to time.
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I'm headed to bed. I've got an unclear day tomorrow.
I was expecting to go out to the country today to work, but my lift never turned up and didn't call (hence why I was present most of the day when I said I wouldn't be). This isn't surprising, but I just don't know what's going on. I assume I'll be going tomorrow but don't know for certain.
Gnight.
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I'll sneak a look before I go... can't help myself.
I'm not throwing shade at Koshi. I'm just calling these specific events as I see them. I sort of assume people have their reasons even if I'm too inexperienced to understand them.
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On May 30 2023 22:46 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2023 17:27 DarthPunk wrote:On May 30 2023 14:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Like, Chezinu is a rare high IQ gentleman troll.
I am a common upper normal IQ asshole in that BMW that just cut you off in his aviators trust fund baby troll.
Holyflare was like that lawyer who was always across the bench from you.
Raynpelikoneer is like the guy who is really chill and cool until you look at him funny and then you find him everywhere asking how exactly you hold this nonsense logic? Do you really call it logic? Really? Come on. What do you actually believe, scum? When actually you got lazy and fucked up
Koshi is like Rayn but from Belgium, not Finland, so the cigarettes have been replaced with coffee and so he is posting like 10x more
Contrast this with Ver, Ace, Foolishness, Hapahauli (my birthdate twin, btw he is like 3 hours older than I am) Igrok, Conversion, Chezinu it is easy to see how the environment was... less great. What was I slam i am sad to be left out of the analysis? ( although I only played around 30 games) You were Darthpunk. Unfortunately, I remember you as one of those who didn't want to tolerate my brand of trolling. Young BMW punks call that "mean" but now that I am basically mean and self aware I don't want to call someone who I have found out is not that, that
Why do you vote on marv. Why him and not DP. What makes him so suspicious to you? And why not DP?
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On May 30 2023 21:45 die_meatbaby wrote:
QUOTE]On May 30 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote:
@Town
I think this lynch is basically for the game. If somehow our next lynch is town, then it's going to be 3 town to 2 scum left, and we will have lost one of our stronger players. If the next lynch is scum, it'll be four town to one scummer, and they will have (presumably) lost their best player.
So I think this lynch is the most important one thus far. Maximum effort please.
Yeah you are right this lynch is the most important. If we lose another Town. We lose the game for sure.
Marv and Dp are both strong players. They play this game for years maybe a decades. They know each other from old games. One of them is M. Def not both. DP and Marv are slightly "fighting" since D1 and trying to lynch each other or getting other players to lynch one of them. You came in to the game strong. Like very strong you where reading like 50 pages and made a unprejudiced and opjektive opinion on almost every person here. But for me it seemed like you had a strong townread on DP since you came here. Why? Why you get so hard on marv but ignores the point that DP could also just fake his emotions, that btw became stronger for the last 24 hours. I am not saying Marv is Town. No just seems like you have a to strong Townread for DB. [/QUOTE]
Good post, critical thinking even when it must be quite difficult for a newbie at this stage with the big personalities battling it out.
In addition to saying it earlier, do not ever lynch this slot
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On May 30 2023 22:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2023 21:45 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 30 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote:
@Town
I think this lynch is basically for the game. If somehow our next lynch is town, then it's going to be 3 town to 2 scum left, and we will have lost one of our stronger players. If the next lynch is scum, it'll be four town to one scummer, and they will have (presumably) lost their best player.
So I think this lynch is the most important one thus far. Maximum effort please. Yeah you are right this lynch is the most important. If we lose another Town. We lose the game for sure. Marv and Dp are both strong players. They play this game for years maybe a decades. They know each other from old games. One of them is M. Def not both. DP and Marv are slightly "fighting" since D1 and trying to lynch each other or getting other players to lynch one of them. You came in to the game strong. Like very strong you where reading like 50 pages and made a unprejudiced and opjektive opinion on almost every person here. But for me it seemed like you had a strong townread on DP since you came here. Why? Why you get so hard on marv but ignores the point that DP could also just fake his emotions, that btw became stronger for the last 24 hours. I am not saying Marv is Town. No just seems like you have a to strong Townread for DB. Good post, critical thinking even when it must be quite difficult for a newbie at this stage with the big personalities battling it out. In addition to saying it earlier, do not ever lynch this slot
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On May 30 2023 22:45 TankTopTiger wrote:
If Marv is town, I still think there's a case on LS, but I'm willing to consider DP as well. I will have to take a step back and reconsider a lot. I would genuinely have no clue why DP would have done the things he's done, but I know he's a better player than me so it's always possible he's just that far ahead. I really doubt it though.
Can you be super specific here for me and the thread please, TTT
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Just to forewarn you all, I am not done yet! Massive post later coming be as I still got shit to say.
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On May 30 2023 22:55 TankTopTiger wrote:
I'll sneak a look before I go... can't help myself.
I'm not throwing shade at Koshi. I'm just calling these specific events as I see them. I sort of assume people have their reasons even if I'm too inexperienced to understand them.
We are both inexperienced players here, although you have already played the same game on other platforms, as far as I have noticed. Don't you think Darth Punk wants to manipulate us? When you first suspected Marv, he logically got involved immediately. When I filter DP I notice that his emotions have become stronger since the voting contest between Marv and him started.
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On May 30 2023 23:02 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2023 22:55 TankTopTiger wrote:
I'll sneak a look before I go... can't help myself.
I'm not throwing shade at Koshi. I'm just calling these specific events as I see them. I sort of assume people have their reasons even if I'm too inexperienced to understand them. We are both inexperienced players here, although you have already played the same game on other platforms, as far as I have noticed. Don't you think Darth Punk wants to manipulate us? When you first suspected Marv, he logically got involved immediately. When I filter DP I notice that his emotions have become stronger since the voting contest between Marv and him started.
As much as I would like to bury DP with whatever means possible, he would react with more emotion in that situation regardless of he is town or mafia
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DMB, if you want to ask me specific things please go ahead. Can’t promise I will answer you now as I am about to run a sale at work. But I will address anything you ask me later.
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if you are town you will die in the first night for shure. Mafia are to scared of good players like you, so they make you die, because they know people would vote me out directly and so we lose 3 town people in D1 N1 and D2.
If you don´t die in this night you are more likly to be mafia (for me) and people would vote on you on d2
This the one?
I just thought you were wrong is all. For that to be true Marv would need to be so dangerous that even when he's not going well he's considered more of a threat than Koshi, Rayn, DP. On top of that, it ignores other aspects of what makes for a good NK, like how town interpret it, avoiding doctors, or sniffing out blues.
You can tell I didn't believe in your theory because despite wanting Marv dead, he's made it through two NK's and I still don't think this is grounds to assume him mafia. And I don't think you believe it anymore either, because that would make this lynch super simple for you.
Regarding Koshi's specific request: You were talking about Marv being terrifying by reputation by his meta, while I was talking about Marv being useless in actuality in the game. It was only a contradiction if you viewed it in low-resolution.
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TTT, same question/offer to you. As it will be my last chance. Use me while I’m alive please. Even if you’re not going to change your mind, ask me stuff that will help you understand why I think what I do when I’m dead. Make sense?
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