On May 30 2023 13:02 TankTopTiger wrote: Wow really? Everything else aside, that's actually insane to me. I consider that basically cheating to grief your team so hard as mafia while uber try-harding as town.
Can I get other people weighing in here because I'm not reading 5 other games.
You said you were pretty sure you could read him but your read comes down to "if he folds D1 he's mafia" and "if he folds later than this he's confirmed town"?
This was a recent development after a lot of the older, more level headed vets left and he was hanging around with really aggro people and CHUPASZI MASTER PSYCHO SLAM (I was once like this) and baked as f0ck Kushm4sta and LaVeyan artist mafia mocker try not Genius Coagulation and you are responsible for what I understand, not what you say Holyflare.
Maybe makes more sense in that context. Remember much of DP's case on Marv was his powerful scum play.
On May 30 2023 12:58 TankTopTiger wrote: You said you were pretty sure you could read him but your read comes down to "if he folds D1 he's mafia" and "if he folds later than this he's confirmed town"?
Ya he pretty much really only try hard as town only a few times he did he did try hard as mafia but it so rare though like Imperial. Imperial was the last game where he went full tryhard mode as mafia.
Oh God I hosted that thing.
That was a horrible game for Marv and like everyone involved. Iirc it is over 500 pages long.
On May 30 2023 13:21 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay but he's not try-harding. He didn't get lynched D1 because he had Koshi and Rayn handing grapes up to him as he presided over the peasants from within his palanquin. Why would he ever have folded in your mind if the two strongest, most townest players were saying "Marv is vetted" and "MZ's case on Marv is REALLY bad", both things that these skilled confirmed town players later took back.
Why would he fold under non-existent pressure, and more importantly, why would you think he would?
Ok again Koshi and Rayn are older to this mafia forum than I am, whereas LS is newer. Marv is like, one of the star students of basically the founder's circle here.
He got demotivated during a time period when many of this game's returning vets had said "fux TL mafia this sux" and a lot of... questionable players remained.
And the Chupazilord started questioning his authority in games similar to how you have, and then became a host, and then was a lazy host, and marv's moto for this shit kinda fizzled.
I saw that fire returning in this game, I had thought.
M_Z was there to see it but like Rayn was trying out Vendetta Strada (and trying to convince me to go there), VE was at omgus.net among some others, I was there too actually and Rayn I think, Koshi did that thing like the meme with the black kid who gives the peace sign and vanishes, Chezinu will always and was still here, DP was among those who, while still here for Diplo, wasn't really joining mafia games because FTSIO, Blazinghand was taking over control of the ban list from Gmarshal, man a lot of drama has happened here and it is getting fuzzy in my memory.
But yeah LS is not as inconsistent here as he may seem but works for me, dude is still mafia
I am a common upper normal IQ asshole in that BMW that just cut you off in his aviators trust fund baby troll.
Holyflare was like that lawyer who was always across the bench from you.
Raynpelikoneer is like the guy who is really chill and cool until you look at him funny and then you find him everywhere asking how exactly you hold this nonsense logic? Do you really call it logic? Really? Come on. What do you actually believe, scum? When actually you got lazy and fucked up
Koshi is like Rayn but from Belgium, not Finland, so the cigarettes have been replaced with coffee and so he is posting like 10x more
Contrast this with Ver, Ace, Foolishness, Hapahauli (my birthdate twin, btw he is like 3 hours older than I am) Igrok, Conversion, Chezinu it is easy to see how the environment was... less great.
On May 23 2023 19:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm here. Being able to read the whole thread in one sitting is...novel.
What's in here is all right. I'm a little weirded out by DP wanting to lynch marv right away, it's inherently unhelpful as A) marv hasn't historically been moved by pressure, especially on D1, and B) has marv like ever been lynched on D1? Like, idk I haven't played in a decade but as I recall he has vet shielding as someone who can solve the game later. Is that the joke? Was DP literally just being funny? Meh.
I'm suspicious of DP. Also thanks DP for inviting me to play. <3
Sounds a bit sensible for my liking
Care to elaborate why though? I don't agree with a lot in the content of the post but i have a similar conclusion about DP's alignment atm. I would rather call him mafia (as i would you as well), than town.
It’s difficult not to latch on to very old meta feelings when I have nothing else to go on. I have always felt VE sounds inherently more reasonable near the start of the game as mafia.
It may also be that I just like teasing VE.
In hindsight this looks ready to bus. Or else, quite the God read.
Rayn hated both Marv and DP. Would be great to find today was a maf/maf wagon all along
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
I once had a game with Kushm4sta where we hard bussed each other the whole way.
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I understand that is potentially true. But that only pinged me. After that you played rather cautious and also there I understand that "not clogging up the thread" is a good excuse for a small filter, but fact is that you have: 1) an opening with a question that goes nowhere 2) a cautious playstyle 3) a small filter
I said I wasn’t going to get into this but as you all know I can’t help myself. 3. I’m actually conscious of the fact I already have quite a large filter. I’m going to have points (assuming I survive long enough) where I’m unable to be too active, so it’s in my best interests that the thread doesn’t explode too much. And I’m too good at making large threads.
I think I am bang on that if town make a concerted effort to discern meatbaby’s alignment early on, that will be a good result for town.
Because I do not understand why it is in future you his best interest to have less than half a page filter at this point on D1. I will translate your answer to: 3 reads to me as "I am mafia and my plan is too fade away when I NK'ed all the good people. So it is best for me to post as little as possible now to make it more believable later."
It’s a fair interpretation so I shan’t argue!
Lol this is probably why I TR marv at the time.
Shit like this. He knows if he gets Koshi passed, imperial will happen again and it will look like this watching the dude post:
On May 30 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote: @Town I think this lynch is basically for the game. If somehow our next lynch is town, then it's going to be 3 town to 2 scum left, and we will have lost one of our stronger players. If the next lynch is scum, it'll be four town to one scummer, and they will have (presumably) lost their best player.
So I think this lynch is the most important one thus far. Maximum effort please.
This is correct but your not account for nightkill so we will lose another strong townie or correct townie or a townie that could become correct.
It gets really bad which is why I thought we need to lynch Marv first while maf have a bit less influence.
Than the obvious ls lynch after that.
If you lynch me, when I flip town you need to lynch Marv and ls and all townies need to do this
And Marv is really convincing so he could easily mindfuck one of them into voting idk like chez or meat baby or something.
Sorry I don’t believe anything you’re saying. I said DMB is confirmed town and don’t lynch her, ever.
if I am mafia, I am closing my team’s options to win the game down, not opening them up
Town, go back read my big post. Even if you don’t agree with all the conclusions it’s a townie post as hell. And the reason for that is I’m town. I’ve seen some vague talk of meta, I’d be incredibly surprised if anyone found a post with content and tone such as that post. Because I can’t make them as mafia
I can’t compete with DarthPunk’s thread presence, that much is obvious. Him being here to bully you into voting me isn’t townie, it’s just being here. Just to recap a couple of DP’s reactions today.
1. I vote DP and say it’s all been too much for me. No reaction from DP. As DP himself self-described, he is an emotional in the moment type player. if I am town and it looks like my main scumread is giving up, I am saying something about it. Anything!
2. He tries to use fear as reasoning on Slam as a reason not to vote for him. “How you gonna lynch marv without me and TTT?” He asks Slam. That is playing on fear. A couple of posts later he tries to excuse his fear blackmail (that’s what it is), saying he is “planning for when he dies and flips town”. That’s not how do you do it guys. What I did is how you do it. My reads are out there in the thread in the best way I could, that’s how you do it as a townie. mafia appeal to fear, not townies.
Just to be super clear on the last point - I am not sitting here asking people how they are going to lynch DP without me. I don’t need to think that way because I am not mafia. Someone else does need to think that way and pressure the rest of town that way.
On May 30 2023 06:50 Chezinu wrote: Guess this will focus us to kill DP next if Marv flips town.
He won't flip town. Ask yourself if I am mafia? why would I be suicidal trying to get marv mislynched? And not just lynching LS? What about my thought patterns and actions makes sense unless I am town and truly believe marv is mafia?
Cause you are
Come on Baby troll me one more time...
Don’t know where DP’s post is, but I’m answering that and not meatbaby. The reason a mafia “suicidally” tries to lynch marv is that means it’s lylo where town has to lynch correctly twice to win. That’s a good setup for mafia. As you tried to argue against me, anyone could be the target to get one of those mislynches.
Even more plausibly for mafia DP as he has not cleared anyone as town like town-marv has.
On May 30 2023 16:51 TankTopTiger wrote: If he suicides to get the lynch, then it's not really needing two correct lynches in a row to win, as him dying is implied.
It is, but town still needs to get it right twice, even if 1 of them seems obvious.
What I’m saying is if mafia-DP sees town-marv coming at him full pelt, a 1 for 1 swap for lynches there is a pretty decent result. See what I mean?
And just to answer one of your earlier posts, TTT, which was not about this game. No I shouldn’t have started giving up as scum in the past, I should have quit mafia altogether earlier than I did so that didn’t happen. Because it wasn’t kosher. I just ran out of energy.
On May 30 2023 16:51 TankTopTiger wrote: If he suicides to get the lynch, then it's not really needing two correct lynches in a row to win, as him dying is implied.
It is, but town still needs to get it right twice, even if 1 of them seems obvious.
What I’m saying is if mafia-DP sees town-marv coming at him full pelt, a 1 for 1 swap for lynches there is a pretty decent result. See what I mean?
Because to reiterate, I came for DP before he came for me….
Not many (any?) manage to pull off a 1 for 1 swap with me.
EPT
- I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
