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On September 01 2022 02:28 CopCake wrote: Tbh rels part of the reason why I consider you are mafia is your thinking progression, on the other hand now seeing that you went against HF, I consider that would be like a stupid mafia move.
I don't see mafia rels winning something out of it.
In mafia rels eyes, I would let town misslynch, maybe pocket and sheep someone, then disappear, then come back and be like "Oh sorry guys busy"
Tinfoiling atm. Yeah that's what I told HF earlier. No way I would attack him as scum for no reason
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I'll vote Vivax over me of course, but I would prefer Dandel
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We still have 25 minutes, I want to undestand why you guys that are thinking of switching (Jock, CopCake, MZ) won't vote Dandel. Is it really because of that shitty case?
On August 31 2022 21:45 Dandel Ion wrote: Rels, just read along in his filter if you will I'm going chronological on this
#529 rayn and koshi top town, votes copcake and floats jock and slam as per #533 copcake is a sheep off koshi that all looks fine so far, no? #534, #535, #537 is the first instance of what I mean. HF wasn't tunneling but hey maybe he was tunneling after all. This is meant to look like progression but it's actually just nothing. #542 towncases copcake
next saga #543 vivax and dandel deserve to be shot #544 because we're both 'useless'
then #548 Slam is scummy #553 actually he has no idea how to read Slam and his filter is not alignment indicative for him. HF's case does not make Slam scum. But Slam's posts still 'feel kind of fabricated'.
back on an old horse #555 I'm just reacting to jock, which implies jock is leading and driving the conversation and I'm just being pulled along, however, #556 + #557 Jock is still the one looking like mafia here, somehow because it "seems that you want to grab an easy win while fearing to be too obvious" When his own argument to dismiss me is that jock drove the entire conversation. But that can not possibly be townie because professional fencesitter Rels needs more pointy bits of wood to park his ass. #558 notably directly after the above, asks Vivax to participate, probably in full trust that Vivax will not, in fact do that. And you can always point back and go 'bad meanie Vivax didn't want to talk to me, big sad so scum'. This is just set-up for a future push and in no way can Rels actually think this would help him in reading Vivax.
But then, it's not really about trying to figure out who is town and who is scum, just who is 'pushable' and how believable these pushes are.
Going along #562 Jock was just looking for an easy way to fabricate a scumread When jock points out that he didn't, #569 comes to the rescue because that certainly does not prove that Rels is WRONG. It could totally be except he caps the post off by weakening his own stance to 'just a counter-example, not proof'. Yo for real my fence is breaking under the weight of this man.
YO IT'S MY HOMEBOI DECONDUO UP IN HEA #573 "hahahaha =D" jock's decon case is unconvincing but Rels will re-read it. I assume it's not terrible because he doesn't post about it further just asks about it in #578 instead #576 jock is just so scummy holy shit guyse #579 Rels is now voting Slam #583 decon's vote on Rels is "bad :p" #584 Slam is the preferred lynch #586 actually, decon is super natural, and yeah sure there's little 'substance' but for no discernable reason deconduo deserves completely different treatment than Vivax or Dandel did when decon is essentially the same slot. Decon is mafia with Rels calling it here, especially since #587 in Rels' townreads, decon suddenly doesn't appear at all! Wowzers! idk fam the last post sure read like a supposed townread to me but what do I know #588 PoE, decon is in here because Rels remembered his own strategy I assume. But Vivax should be lynched over him (or Tube/Matt) anyway, funny how that works out. Whoever's not there is supposed to be scum I guess, idk. So me/Slam/jock but Rels doesn't have the cojones to actually call out a scumteam with both me and jock on it because he knows how insane and wrong that will sound to anybody.
The only player Rels bothers to fake a shred of progression on is Copcake. That's literally it. Nothing on nobody else really means anything to this man. Rels is mafia and as a tight little bonus i'm pretty sure that if he flips red decon is the next scum.
Me too I can list every post made by a person and write a comment on it. His conclusion just doesn't make sense. Why should I have had a sense of progression in like the like hour between my catching up and me going to sleep, when nothing happened apart from Jock and I talking? And that changed my read on Jock so that's not even true.
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On September 01 2022 02:34 Alakaslam wrote: Lol out of self preservation even, if I must appeal to that Of course I'll vote anyone over me lol. We still have a bit of time
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And his case (Dandel's) was perfectly in place to create a second town wagon, if MZ is town. Following up on 2 votes on me already, one being from a strong townie (Koshi). Very opportunistic
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On September 01 2022 02:42 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2022 02:40 Alakaslam wrote:On September 01 2022 02:39 Jockmcplop wrote:On September 01 2022 02:37 Rels wrote:We still have 25 minutes, I want to undestand why you guys that are thinking of switching (Jock, CopCake, MZ) won't vote Dandel. Is it really because of that shitty case? On August 31 2022 21:45 Dandel Ion wrote: Rels, just read along in his filter if you will I'm going chronological on this
#529 rayn and koshi top town, votes copcake and floats jock and slam as per #533 copcake is a sheep off koshi that all looks fine so far, no? #534, #535, #537 is the first instance of what I mean. HF wasn't tunneling but hey maybe he was tunneling after all. This is meant to look like progression but it's actually just nothing. #542 towncases copcake
next saga #543 vivax and dandel deserve to be shot #544 because we're both 'useless'
then #548 Slam is scummy #553 actually he has no idea how to read Slam and his filter is not alignment indicative for him. HF's case does not make Slam scum. But Slam's posts still 'feel kind of fabricated'.
back on an old horse #555 I'm just reacting to jock, which implies jock is leading and driving the conversation and I'm just being pulled along, however, #556 + #557 Jock is still the one looking like mafia here, somehow because it "seems that you want to grab an easy win while fearing to be too obvious" When his own argument to dismiss me is that jock drove the entire conversation. But that can not possibly be townie because professional fencesitter Rels needs more pointy bits of wood to park his ass. #558 notably directly after the above, asks Vivax to participate, probably in full trust that Vivax will not, in fact do that. And you can always point back and go 'bad meanie Vivax didn't want to talk to me, big sad so scum'. This is just set-up for a future push and in no way can Rels actually think this would help him in reading Vivax.
But then, it's not really about trying to figure out who is town and who is scum, just who is 'pushable' and how believable these pushes are.
Going along #562 Jock was just looking for an easy way to fabricate a scumread When jock points out that he didn't, #569 comes to the rescue because that certainly does not prove that Rels is WRONG. It could totally be except he caps the post off by weakening his own stance to 'just a counter-example, not proof'. Yo for real my fence is breaking under the weight of this man.
YO IT'S MY HOMEBOI DECONDUO UP IN HEA #573 "hahahaha =D" jock's decon case is unconvincing but Rels will re-read it. I assume it's not terrible because he doesn't post about it further just asks about it in #578 instead #576 jock is just so scummy holy shit guyse #579 Rels is now voting Slam #583 decon's vote on Rels is "bad :p" #584 Slam is the preferred lynch #586 actually, decon is super natural, and yeah sure there's little 'substance' but for no discernable reason deconduo deserves completely different treatment than Vivax or Dandel did when decon is essentially the same slot. Decon is mafia with Rels calling it here, especially since #587 in Rels' townreads, decon suddenly doesn't appear at all! Wowzers! idk fam the last post sure read like a supposed townread to me but what do I know #588 PoE, decon is in here because Rels remembered his own strategy I assume. But Vivax should be lynched over him (or Tube/Matt) anyway, funny how that works out. Whoever's not there is supposed to be scum I guess, idk. So me/Slam/jock but Rels doesn't have the cojones to actually call out a scumteam with both me and jock on it because he knows how insane and wrong that will sound to anybody.
The only player Rels bothers to fake a shred of progression on is Copcake. That's literally it. Nothing on nobody else really means anything to this man. Rels is mafia and as a tight little bonus i'm pretty sure that if he flips red decon is the next scum.
Me too I can list every post made by a person and write a comment on it. His conclusion just doesn't make sense. Why should I have had a sense of progression in like the like hour between my catching up and me going to sleep, when nothing happened apart from Jock and I talking? And that changed my read on Jock so that's not even true. Dandel and I mindmelded hard on the idea that you and decon are both mafia. Like made the same post at the same time about it. Dandel is my number one town and I can't see that changing unless you or decon die today and flip town. Well fuck then rethink the rels part, this is town I don't think so right now. He's trying to save decon right now and the only reasoning in his filter about it is that decon's useless early posting 'felt natural'. well, you're seeing everything through the "Rels is scum with dec". What about the alternative world I'm town and I would prefer to lynch Dandel?
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BTW Slam is so town it's crazy
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On September 01 2022 02:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I think with tube's vote now I'm going to by lynched lol. I will vote dec over you if I'm the deciding vote
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On September 01 2022 02:51 Jockmcplop wrote:Your vote is on him. It won't be at deadline
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Where does this even come from
On August 31 2022 21:45 Dandel Ion wrote: Rels is mafia and as a tight little bonus i'm pretty sure that if he flips red decon is the next scum.
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Less than 5 minutes to go.
##Unvote ##Vote deconduo
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meh will be AFK until evening
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Hi all, didn't have the time to play yesterday at the end ... and won't have time to play properly until this evening, will be busy at work and then daughter until then. Don't expect me to be super active or analyze stuff until in like 9 hours. Luckily I don't think I'm being shot. :p
Assuming MZ is town, one of Dandel / Tube is pretty likely to be scum if my remembering of the vote pattern is correct. They were at the right place to create a second town wagon and have an easy EOD1 just letting the rest happen. Will take the time tonight to reread how everthing went.
Tube, I need answers from you on these:
Here it looks like he tried to summon him to talk and get him to vote Slam. If HF voted Slam then others probably would have followed. Slam being low hanging fruit.
Yeah I was interested in a Slam lynch at that time. How does that make me scum?
Vivax has a 4 page filter. I have 2. Mattchew has 1. I just don't think you can really look at Vivax's filter and mine and go Tube tried more. Yeah, I had reads in there but I didn't really explain anything. So he's said that Vivax has potential when he's town, and there are 3 others with less filter but arguably equal(ish) content and he wants to vig / soft push Vivax? I mean he can't really push me cause protection from Rayn and Koshi. He can't go against them.
A lof of questions there. - "I just don't think you can really look at Vivax's filter and mine and go Tube tried more" of course I can, Vivax hadn't started playing this game. Please point to Vivax's posts in those 4 pages of filter that are him playing more than you? - "protection from rayn and Koshi"?? What? I'll verify but will assume it's true for now since it's super easy to check, but what are those proctions? And how does that mental image of "me being afraid of strong player" square with me butting heads with HF later?
Did any townies think Vivax was a leading wagon? To me this looks like he's paranoid about his partner getting lynched. Yes I did think that, and I think I wasn't alone? Did you check the thread? There were several anti Vivax posts, to the point that Koshi made that "6 votes against Vivax" post. I even quoted that Koshi post later. How did you miss that?
Where did Rels shut down the Vivax lynch? I don't see any advocacy to not vote Vivax. He asked HF why not Slam over Vivax but that's about all the shutting down there was overtly. There is at least Jock that explicitely said that it was of Koshi and I. Are you not analyzing my posts in context of the thread?
It's super weird how he treats Vivax over others that are essentially equal or worse. Like he doesn't have any meta read on me (I'm assuming since he hasn't mentioned anything) but if Vivax is so easy to read down the line, why say he's a good vigi shot and not one he just won't ever know like Chezinu or me or Mattchew? That quote that you're critisizing I'm pretty sure is in response of someone, pretty sure it was Slam, bringing up Vivax as an alternative lynch to MZ and I, during EOD1. That's why it's only talking about Vivax. That was the subject at the time. How did you miss that?
Rels can't defend Vivax. So he has to push Slam. He doesn't really push Vivax but later when Vivax flips mafia then he can try to say "I totally pushed Vivax!" but he's not. He doesn't vote him, he doesn't ask for anyone to vote him.
?? After everything you've quoted, how can you say that I was preparing to be in a situation to say "I totally pushed Vivax!"? What posts are you talking about where I'm preparing that?
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On September 02 2022 05:42 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 11:55 Rels wrote: Let's see who's left.
I would vote Vivax over Tube dec and Mattchew too, even though I don't have a strong read on them. Just because they have tried more.
Chez lol. I've never been able to read him. All game you talked about slam and then is vivax and his friends. Elaborate? #vote: rels ? What? I don't even understand what you're saying. "is vivax and his friends"? Elaborate on what? I was replying to Jock, see the question and subsequent answers starting from there: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/586368-chezinu-streaks-mafia?page=30#585 Why are you voting me?
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On September 02 2022 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:I know Rels brushes this off by "dude he just quoted my every post" and if you just glance at it that's how it looks, but there is this: Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 21:45 Dandel Ion wrote: [...] The only player Rels bothers to fake a shred of progression on is Copcake. That's literally it. Nothing on nobody else really means anything to this man.
This is pretty much how i felt at that point. I really don't understand why so many people like that point. I've replied to this criticism there:
On August 31 2022 23:25 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 21:45 Dandel Ion wrote: [..] The only player Rels bothers to fake a shred of progression on is Copcake. That's literally it. Nothing on nobody else really means anything to this man. Rels is mafia and as a tight little bonus i'm pretty sure that if he flips red decon is the next scum.
What a shitty case :p Of course I didn't have progression. I was only active for a few hours, during which noone was there apart from Jock. And talking to Jock made me progress too, as said above. Why would I suddenly change my reads on people in the 2 or so hours I was there and those people didn't do anything new? --
On September 02 2022 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Come night 1 there is also this post where he contributes. The reads pretty much start with this: Show nested quote +Assuming MZ is town, one of Dandel / Tube is pretty likely to be scum if my remembering of the vote pattern is correct. They were at the right place to create a second town wagon and have an easy EOD1 just letting the rest happen. Will take the time tonight to reread how everthing went. "Assuming this person is this alignment then this is true because _______" is a very shitty way to start progressing reads and Rels should be good enough to not do that as town because he can't POSSIBLY know MZ's alignment FOR SURE if he is town. Yet he has already created a narrative on which players to question. I think Rels is fairly likely to be mafia. I don't understand this. I didn't create a narrative during N1, I townread MZ way before it became clear it was a him or me. In addition, the way D1 was gently going towards its end, it felt like one of us was going to be lynched for sure. Pretty sure too it would have happened without Slam.
Like, of course there is always the chance that MZ is scum. But like, without talking about the EOD situation, I townread him, and I scumread Dandel and Tube individually (probably not together since they voted back to back, at least on the voting screen, still need to verify the timing). When you add the EOD situation and flip, why is it scummy of me to find that my reads explains the situation perfectly?
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On September 02 2022 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax is absolutely not worth keeping around, especially compared to rels. Agree. (I mean of course since my name is on that sentence, but you could replace it by anyone but Chez lol)
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On September 02 2022 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Right Rels also parroted Koshi's stupid point about keeping Vivax around until D3. Don't think I've said that? It was more like, Vivax can't fake his town self that long, I think? But he's not even trying to fake anything right now so, yeah. Vivax, you need to start playing please. ##Vote Vivax
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On September 02 2022 07:37 Holyflare wrote: Mattchew
raynpelikoneet
Dandel Ion Rels Jockmcplop
CopCake Meapak_Ziphh Alakaslam
Chezinu Vivax
Tubesock
Game is kinda scuffed if this is my reads list lol I would really like an explanation on Dandel
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On September 02 2022 09:47 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2022 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait why is Rels town in your opinion now? Game was kinda dead, he brought life to it. The amount of scummy LHF pushing for his wagon is above critical mass enough that I think mafia are just pushing there because it's a free place to hide currently. The voracity of people gunning for him doesn't equate to how people have been pushing him. I made some posts, Dandel made a case, Jock kind of interacted with it yet it's not those 3 names that are really clamouring for his head currently, it's just a weird vague consensus where these other people don't really explain why they want to vote rels. What does LHF mean?
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On September 02 2022 09:58 Chezinu wrote: There is usually that one mafia that votes against the others when there are 3 mafia for that town credits. Players like HF and Vivax would be the GF-like mafia style. Is that the start of a thought regarding the game? :p What are you talking about?
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On September 01 2022 02:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Man the amount of people who are accepting poor town play bc it's either "just joking" or "they're easy to meta read later" is really frustrating.
Vivax is absolutely not worth keeping around, especially compared to rels.
Decon can't even pay attention to the thread. Either of these two are better votes than rels. LOL rereading EOD1, I thought that bolded quote was weird ... because I literally just replied to that exact sentence, but from a rayn post ... but actually I must have messed up something while editing rayn's post to respond to it, it came from there ... haha
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