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On August 31 2022 16:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 10:34 Rels wrote:I have this post saved on a tab by Slam, that I thought was very scummy: On August 30 2022 13:35 Alakaslam wrote:On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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lol? did you skip HF post on purpose? Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it? Was wondering why you didn't address this post: On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb  What? But responded to the very next one: On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:I'm town Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else? But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post? Confused. He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later) So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting. Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless. I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____ I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back. deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this: On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding. What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo? Lol until I saw this shit I was gonna SR you by pointing out you were too fucking bitter but then remembered that bitterness is not alignment indicative  It's extremely forced, for a player that I think always posts random stuff without thinking about it. I don't believe he really had the thought process he described. Slam posts good stuff between the random stuff. He just never draws attention to it.
please quote it
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Koshi you're too tunneled on me! If you're around, let's talk?
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On August 31 2022 21:04 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 20:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
Rels is keeping his options open and not in a good way
##Vote: Rels
it's real now I could see this being true, for sure. He's doubling down on weird things, repeating stuff others have said, and being pretty ambiguous about much of the other stuff. In fact, I'm adding rels to my vote list. Our chat last night really went nowhere. He didn't even try to get any new information out of me even though he was questioning me about all of his concerns and ended up still at the same point he was before he asked the questions. I'm like I was answering all his questions without being evasive or arguing, why can't he use that to progress his reads, or the game somehow. Instead he's still stuck on rayn's very first post which generated nothing useful? I don't buy it to be honest, and nothing has really changed at all from that interaction, except for i now scumread rels.
It advanced my read though! I didn't explicitely say it I guess, but I don't want to vote for you anymore. Your responses could make sense.
Also regardless of alignment, it was nice that at least one person was there when I was available to play, less lonely.
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On August 31 2022 21:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
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The only player Rels bothers to fake a shred of progression on is Copcake.
That's literally it. Nothing on nobody else really means anything to this man.
Rels is mafia and as a tight little bonus i'm pretty sure that if he flips red decon is the next scum.
What a shitty case :p
Of course I didn't have progression. I was only active for a few hours, during which noone was there apart from Jock. And talking to Jock made me progress too, as said above.
Why would I suddenly change my reads on people in the 2 or so hours I was there and those people didn't do anything new?
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Jock I understand your points, but posts like these feel pretty genuine. It just, makes sense. Not hard to fake of course for one post, but every interaction dec has feel like that.
On August 31 2022 22:28 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 22:24 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 22:21 deconduo wrote:On August 31 2022 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote:While you're here decon: Let me ask you something, was rels simply posting alot of words enough for you to remove your vote, or was it something that he actually said that suggests to you he isn't mafia? Just posting was enough - as I said in the original vote it was for 'Posting the bare minimum to not get modkilled' ok thanks. This reads to me like a very shallow way to assign your vote. I was hoping you had some reasoning beyond that for removing your vote tbh. I thought rels' posting last night was hella scummy, as i posted earlier and DI also posted about (and did a better job of it than i did tbh). I never pretended it was anything else. Pretty standard day 1 pressure vote to get inactives active. Active just means posting, I don't expect anyone to instantly write a page of awesome scumhuting. I don't expect everyone to be an awesome scumhunting wizard on day 1. Maybe I just have low standards
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I don't vote to vote dec. Who would you vote if not him? (and not me lol)
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On August 31 2022 23:02 CopCake wrote:
I could change my vote for rels.
Why?
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On August 31 2022 23:29 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 23:23 Rels wrote:On August 31 2022 21:04 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 20:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
Rels is keeping his options open and not in a good way
##Vote: Rels
it's real now I could see this being true, for sure. He's doubling down on weird things, repeating stuff others have said, and being pretty ambiguous about much of the other stuff. In fact, I'm adding rels to my vote list. Our chat last night really went nowhere. He didn't even try to get any new information out of me even though he was questioning me about all of his concerns and ended up still at the same point he was before he asked the questions. I'm like I was answering all his questions without being evasive or arguing, why can't he use that to progress his reads, or the game somehow. Instead he's still stuck on rayn's very first post which generated nothing useful? I don't buy it to be honest, and nothing has really changed at all from that interaction, except for i now scumread rels. It advanced my read though! I didn't explicitely say it I guess, but I don't want to vote for you anymore. Your responses could make sense. Also regardless of alignment, it was nice that at least one person was there when I was available to play, less lonely. Well you started suspicious of me and ended on this: Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 12:12 Rels wrote:On August 31 2022 12:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
Meh rels i can't find the game i was thinking of and its 4am here so i'm going to bed. If you want me to post it tomorrow just leave a note here and i will find it. I would like it actually but more to check you than rayn hahaha :p So that's why I assumed you hadn't progressed. Which reminds me i've looked at like 6-7 games and I can't find the one i was thinking of. Maybe i was misremembering.
it was more tongue in cheek than anything else
Oh no I shouldn't use that word haha :p
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lowkey wants to start a HF wagon
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Slam HF would make sense
HF is making posts just good enough to be townread, not enough for it to be weird to not be NKd
Makes a good case on his teammate, don't really push it. Let the wagons be on other person
When I started to be around I wanted to talk about Slam, then didn't comment when I talked about Slam? I might be wrong about the timing though let's see
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OK, 1h30 between both actually. Probably he just went to sleep.
On August 31 2022 09:12 Holyflare wrote:Can talk about Slam if you want
On August 31 2022 10:42 Rels wrote:Reading Slam's filter, nothing else really jumps as scum or town. Makes sense, I have a very hard time reading Slam usually. HF on your case, I don't think most of it makes Slam scum. The only thing that does in my mind is the post I've talked about, and yeah maybe the other ones in the same paragraph: Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 00:11 Holyflare wrote:His further posts don't really lead to any kind of evaluation either. He was going to scum read Rayn but remembered Rayn was just bitter as either alignment, he gets into some weird mechanics argument with Dandel in #263 for a while (and actually in this post hesitates in scum reading Dandel?) Then he circularly references his original suspicion in #269 saying he has no scum reads and that maybe Rayn is just mafia after all? It doesn't read like a genuine thought process and I think he was afraid to push too far onto Dandel for fear of repercussions, rather than a genuine intent to solve Dandel's alignment. They also feel kind of fabricated. Less so than the one I've quoted above but a little bit.
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On August 31 2022 23:37 Rels wrote:
Slam HF would make sense
HF is making posts just good enough to be townread, not enough for it to be weird to not be NKd
Makes a good case on his teammate, don't really push it. Let the wagons be on other person
When I started to be around I wanted to talk about Slam, then didn't comment when I talked about Slam? I might be wrong about the timing though let's see
EBWOP:
When I started to be around, he wanted to talk about Slam, then didn't comment when I talked about Slam?
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On August 30 2022 22:23 Holyflare wrote:
Playing on MU has ruined this website for me lol.
Also, I've grown and adapted as a human being so take this in full faith that I, as a townie, am doing this with the utmost sincerity because I really liked Koshi's MZ points (yes, this parrots what Rayn is saying above). I just think he extrapolated the read a smidge too far to apply it to copcake and then distracted himself.
##Vote MZ
Bolded is pretty self aware
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On August 31 2022 23:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'd like to hear from holyflare anyway in general. What he thinks about my opinion on his slam case etc.
Rels I'm sorry to leave you alone in the thread again but i have to go nap i had like 3 hours sleep last night and then a long hospital treatment this morning and its hitting me now.
I'll be back in an hour or so.
Hopefully it was nothing too bad  see you!
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???? Actually???? That's not rayn is saying AT ALL?
On August 30 2022 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi top town. I sm not sure if stuff on Cake and MZ makrs them mafia but nevertheless its legit stuff and townie thought process. Esp on MZ he uses very weird narratives in his scumhunting on what he thinks makes people mafia. Pretty sure he got lynched for it as town last game i played with him.
Rayn is saying "Koshi is justified on his MZ scumread. MZ got scumread for that behavior as town too".
On August 30 2022 22:23 Holyflare wrote:
Playing on MU has ruined this website for me lol.
Also, I've grown and adapted as a human being so take this in full faith that I, as a townie, am doing this with the utmost sincerity because I really liked Koshi's MZ points (yes, this parrots what Rayn is saying above). I just think he extrapolated the read a smidge too far to apply it to copcake and then distracted himself.
##Vote MZ
Very same post, HF is totally discarding the info that rayns bought? This doesn't parrot what rayn said, it's the exact opposite??
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Oh later in his filter there is this:
On August 31 2022 01:02 Holyflare wrote:
Oh wait you mean it's supposed to imply MZ was townie last time and not that Koshi being weird makes Koshi townie???
And then:
On August 31 2022 01:03 Holyflare wrote:
Ah, yeah, seems I misread. I retract my townie points on you then :D
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On August 31 2022 23:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 23:46 Rels wrote:???? Actually???? That's not rayn is saying AT ALL? On August 30 2022 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi top town. I sm not sure if stuff on Cake and MZ makrs them mafia but nevertheless its legit stuff and townie thought process. Esp on MZ he uses very weird narratives in his scumhunting on what he thinks makes people mafia. Pretty sure he got lynched for it as town last game i played with him. Rayn is saying "Koshi is justified on his MZ scumread. MZ got scumread for that behavior as town too". On August 30 2022 22:23 Holyflare wrote:
Playing on MU has ruined this website for me lol.
Also, I've grown and adapted as a human being so take this in full faith that I, as a townie, am doing this with the utmost sincerity because I really liked Koshi's MZ points (yes, this parrots what Rayn is saying above). I just think he extrapolated the read a smidge too far to apply it to copcake and then distracted himself.
##Vote MZ Very same post, HF is totally discarding the info that rayns bought? This doesn't parrot what rayn said, it's the exact opposite?? Why are you saying this like it's some kind of revelation? There was a whole discussion about how I misread Rayn's post. Even if I didn't and that wasn't what he was actually saying, is it some kind of post that leads you to be so confused that you drop everything and suddenly think I'm mafia? Is there a benefit to me wrongly summarising the post directly above mine? It feels a lot like you're trying to create things out of thin air.
Maybe. Yeah might not be that strong actually, but could indicate that you're not reading the thead properly and just coasting by? And finding stuff like this is why I play mafia actually. Such a great feeling :p
Cool that it made you appear though!
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On August 31 2022 23:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 23:37 Rels wrote:
Slam HF would make sense
HF is making posts just good enough to be townread, not enough for it to be weird to not be NKd
Makes a good case on his teammate, don't really push it. Let the wagons be on other person
When I started to be around I wanted to talk about Slam, then didn't comment when I talked about Slam? I might be wrong about the timing though let's see This is such a bs transition too. You think my points have merit, you think Slam is kinda scummy. I think you're even voting Slam at this point(?) but you somehow transition to "lowkey" wanting to vote me as an associative before you've even wagoned the person you actually think I'm partnered with and discovering if that's a legit concern???
I am voting Slam yeah. To be clear, I don't want to vote you over him. But it might make sense? Why are you not pushing him over Vivax?
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On September 01 2022 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
I am just not reading the thread properly and coasting by.
Why does that make me an alignment?
This is why I hate D1. If stuff like this can't be used then what can? That makes no sense.
So. You're pushing back way harder than I'm pushing. I'm forcing myself to share ideas, stop being so butthurt about it. It's not strong, OK. But it's something like, you were self conscious enough to see that rayn had mentioned to same point? This is why I thought that post was weird in the first place. So, self conscious enough to deflect a potential criticism, but not enough to understand what was being said? Showing a tendency towards yourself more than towards others? And that's a scum trait? Something like that.
You're making me type a lot of words so that might appear to be like, a strong argument. It's not so. But I feel like it's might be a small thing.
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