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On December 01 2020 11:00 Tictock wrote: This is technically correct, but as Hapahauli was saying, if mafia chooses to no-kill, then town gains an extra mislynch. So it's the same result in the end.Mafia can no shoot so we cannot use JK to confirm someone as mafia. I don't see a problem with JK confirming someone as town though if a kill does go through. Unless you're saying mafia is allowed to store up their shots and use them all at once, but that's a really stupid mechanic that I've never actually seen in a game. | ||
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Hopefully raynpelikoneet comes back? If not the right play is to switch back to Hapahauli, right? | ||
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On December 01 2020 12:53 Hapahauli wrote: Right, I forgot about that. Thanks, that makes sense.FF or Rayn need to vote Vivax. Given that FF has expressed his sense of a Vivax/TT scumteam, I'm not worried about him coming back and consolidating. Even if Rayn doesn't come back, TT unvoting Vivax to create a no-lynch (when he supposedly has no preference between a Hapa/Vivax lynch) is a straight scum-claim and should get him instantly policy lynched next day. Also remember that a no-lynch does not lose town the game here, which would make such a switch pretty stupid from a scum-TT perspective. | ||
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On December 01 2020 13:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sounds good, I'll (probably) be there.I just arrived at work, i am going to explain why after i grt home | ||
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On December 01 2020 13:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did Hapahauli ever say this? I thought he was advocating lynching Tictock or Vivax because he thinks they are mafia and he is town (presumably) so that would be a superior lynch?Let me start by saying this: Hapa is saying we should definitely lynch into TT/Vivax because if we hit mafia there the game is practically solved. This is obviously smart from mafia perspective because he then isnt lynched and town can still make the wrong decision with TT/Vivax. From town perspective though; Lets say we lynch Vivax and he flips mafia. Trfel jails Hapa (or whoever) and the NK goes through. How is the game solved? | ||
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On December 01 2020 08:35 Hapahauli wrote: @raynpelikoneet, you are referring to this discussion, right?Let's make a deal TT. I think Vivax is mafia. You think Vivax is mafia. Let's kill Vivax. After that, since we both think that Trfel is the JK, he can simply block me tomorrow and "confirm me as mafia". Sounds good? Game solved and over from your perspective. No need to argue or do anything. I don't think Hapahauli was trying to argue that we should kill between Vivax/Tictock first instead of him because it's somehow superior. Rather, the point Hapahauli is trying to make here is that Tictock is suspicious because by his own logic, he should be fine lynching Vivax. Hapahauli was trying to see if Tictock would go along with that and vote for Vivax, or if he would hesitate. I read it as more of an experiment. Like I get that he could do this as mafia. It's mafia motivated to move votes off of oneself. But why wouldn't Hapahauli do this as town? If you're referring to a different discussion, the above is all moot. In that case if you could please point me to it? Because I (quickly) read the thread from Hapahauli's claim until this point and didn't find what you are referring to. | ||
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On December 01 2020 14:48 Tictock wrote: Can I ask why it's better to lynch Vivax than Hapahauli? I thought you were scumreading both equally?I am not getting into that, just saying Vivax should be the lynch here. | ||
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On December 01 2020 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, yeah I get why that logic wouldn't work for me. I don't think he ever used that logic towards me though? I don't recall it at all.Yes i understand towards TT it can be this. Towards you though it doesnt follow the same logic. If his experiment went well and TT came off as scummy why is he not voting for TT then? I know TT is voting for Vivax here but still, he was very hesitant at first. | ||
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1. He gets to use the role if he gets shot Night 1, unless mafia roleblocked him as well as killed him (which would literally only be beneficial against the Mad Hatter and Vigilante I believe). I would expect mafia to roleblock someone other than their kill target. As far as the logic for not running for mayor to be able to use his role, that's an interesting point, I guess it would depend on whether he values the protection more or the potential Mad Hatter shot more. Hapahauli saying he would likely run for mayor if there wasn't a good mayoral candidate makes sense to me, if someone else was towny and had utility later then they could be mayor and get the best of both worlds. Whether I qualify as worth giving a bodyguard, that's certainly up for debate. The point has some merit, but I'm unsure how much. 2. Could be missing something but I thought those statements happened in the other order? Where Hapahauli first said Jockmcplop could be mafia because he doesn't remember anything he posted, and then (presumably) looked at it and found other reasons to scumread him. 3. Gosh, I feel bad, but I'm not seeing this one at all  Looked through both Hapahauli's and Tictock's filters. I'm so blind 4. I have absolutely no idea. This is an extremely compelling point. 5. I thought that lynching someone for three blues being too much is valid, isn't this what we were talking about yesterday? It's at least worth considering. As for the appeal to emotion itself, I guess I wasn't under the impression that it was a scumtell? I do feel like those statements were somewhat suspect though. 6. Supposedly Hapahauli only had a few minutes to skim the thread, I assume he would say he didn't have the time to actually read your Fecalfeast case earlier. Bleh. I'm gonna start winding down and going to bed (it's late here), but I'll decide tomorrow. I'm actually horrid at making decisions though, so it would be great if you and Fecalfeast could agree so I can just do that. Currently I'd still prefer not lynching Hapahauli, but I have some things to think about, some questions to get answered, and I'm really not very certain, I wouldn't be surprised if Hapahauli is mafia here. This is the part of mafia games I don't like, where I have to make a decision | ||
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So if Hapahauli is mafia, it's with raynpelikoneet or Tictock. If it's raynpelikoneet, they'd be going through a lot of theatrics when they could just get a mislynch and collect the win pretty easily. So I don't really believe that either. Leaves Hapahauli and Tictock. This is a much more believable combination. | ||
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On December 01 2020 19:44 Tictock wrote: Why can't you be mafia with Hapahauli? And, come to think of it, you really think that Hapahauli and Vivax are mafia together, with how they've pushed each other? But I suppose raynpelikoneet disagrees. And his reasoning makes sense. But I'd like to hear yours?How in the hell do you think I am mafia with Hapa after today? Rayn/Hapa makes no sense either with Rayn literally not wanting to lynch anyone by Hapa all day. On December 01 2020 21:03 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah, I know Trfel, you need to stop being convinced by the last person you speak to. On December 02 2020 00:57 Vivax wrote: What? Not wanting to get lynched in MYLO makes someone mafia?If you bother to compare his earlier days posting (sizeable and sparse) with today's posting (fast reactive) do you not reach the conclusion that he changed his posting style to survive? It just seems logical to me that mafia would squeeze through a last effort here. And I don't think that Hapa switching from aforementioned posting style to one-liner spam should make him town. He fell out of character, so to say. I've got to take another look at the P61 thing and Hapahauli's explanation. | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:07 Vivax wrote: Again, I've never seen Hapahauli play as scum (okay that's kind of a lie, I did try and read one of his games last night, good old 7 years old meta...) but I'd say this is definitely within raynpelikoneet's town range, no? Even if it isn't the most "productive" thing to be doing.Who doesn't want to not get lynched at MYLO? That doesn't mean that as town you start spamming after pretending to favour a more condensed style. What Hapa and rayn are doing is clearly disruptive. I don't see the need to start swearing and spamming, burying more informative posts in the process, and with only two mafia in the thread most likely. The outcome is still undecided and if you and FF (and TT maybe) won't change your mind then fine. I just wish you luck picking the target at night because you will decide the game. | ||
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I can understand missing it in the brief skim, but I thought you would have seen it in the deep read to catch up at least? Or did you skip Day 2 in that read? I'm confused/suspicious here. | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:17 Hapahauli wrote: No I get that, I just wanted to check if the explanation had an inconsistency. That makes more sense for me, now I'll check to make sure it's consistent or not.I don't know why it is that hard for anyone to understand a) why someone can be pissed off when they get tunneled by Rayn, and then b) why that would encourage that person to make raging/irrational posts. | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Likely down.who wants to lynch TT? | ||
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