EPTWhichever is preferred/makes the game better.
[N]A Mostly Normal Game of Mafia
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Trfel
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On November 14 2020 00:40 GreYMisT wrote: I was assuming this included the mayoral vote, though I suppose I could be wrong.You may not vote for yourself. | ||
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On November 24 2020 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have to agree with you, that is quite bold indeed Let's be bold and say that TT is town this game.  On November 24 2020 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fair enough, I suppose we'll see eventually.Youre wrong. In other news, I kinda like Alakaslam this game. Which likely means he's mafia, he has a tendency to be the opposite alignment of whatever I think he is  If possible, I think it may be wise to control the votes such that all of the votes are on the same person, thus making there no Pardoner as there is no one in second place (or would it then be randomized... so many questions). Though unfortunately that seems very difficult to control, and if it's possible to vote for oneself, it may be worthwhile for mafia to ninja vote because it would take two lynches to eliminate them. Maybe not such a good idea after all. Ah well. Hi all  Any thoughts about Alakaslam? | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well, this should be interesting You know, pretty much everything is so wrong in this post. Care to enlighten us?Obviously my idea about everyone voting for the same target isn't great. I left it in because I found it funny. But other than that, I'm interested in your take on Alakaslam? I'm more than happy to share my reasoning, but I'd like to know what you think first. | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:35 Alakaslam wrote: Yeah, it's a bad idea, but it's funny. That said, I'd say it's fairly likely mafia gets at least one of the two roles (mayor and pardoner) regardless (assuming they want to). Given that they have 2-3 votes in a 10-player game, things would have to go pretty perfectly for them to not be able to take one of the roles if they so desire.I disagree. That gives pardoner to mafia as you say here? What? You are saying you town read me and therefore scum read me? Not good sir collect thoughts or get caught And I'm not scumreading you, it's a town lean. | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah, you're right, I see it in the daypost now. I read everything 2-3 times but still managed to miss it >< Admittedly I was focused on the setup post and not the day post but still. Not sure how I missed it, my apologies.I dont understand why you write a whole paragraph on your idea of everyone voting for the same target, then dismiss it for something mafia would never do. I dont understand why you tell me "well we will see" instead of reading the daypost again and figure out you're actually wrong as i said. Because the daypost clearly says you may vote for yourself for the mayor. Even your paragraph introduces that while you "dont know if it's true or not". Now i dont really know why you are lying in case youre mafia but at best that's just wasted time. I cannot tell Slam's alignment. My gut says he might be town but i really cant read him that well i think. However i don't understand if you read him as town so far how does whatever people say sway your opinion as you said you apparently cant read him aswell? Like I said, I thought it was a funny idea so I didn't bother deleting it. I guess I have a strange sense of humor. I don't think anything people say would change my opinion of Alakaslam, I don't ask to figure out more about Alakaslam's alignment, rather I asked to try and help figure out yours. Your answer isn't particularly helpful, but it's also understandable, so not much was gained. Oh well. For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve. On November 24 2020 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slight possibility, no? Given the KP formula in the setup post rather than just saying 1 KP. Why do you think there is 3 mafia? | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: As to the second part, I dunno, I didn't really think a ton about it. I just don't count anything 100% out in terms of setup. It doesn't really matter anyway, no?I think i agree with other parts of your post, but why would Slam NOT candidate himself as mayor as mafia? Why would anyone, regardless of alignment, per se not wanna be mayor? really? so mylo D2 if the mayor lynches town? even worse if the mayor/pardoner happens to be mafia.... I am not saying that Alakaslam wouldn't try to make himself mayor as mafia. He likely would. I feel that the way he has gone about it is genuine and towny. | ||
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On November 24 2020 12:51 Grackaroni wrote: Grackaroni, can I ask what the purpose of this post was?I almost never make early reads unless I get the sense that I'm on track to be lynched if I don't start taking stances. I just don't tend to get strong feeling from the first few things people post unless something strikes me as exceptionally out of character or inconsistent. | ||
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Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end. And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here. One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. | ||
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On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote: What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless.Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate. | ||
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On November 24 2020 14:30 Grackaroni wrote: At this point I'm almost more confused by your reaction than the initial post itself?Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough. I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same. I'm not yelling and I'm not acting tough, I'm not even being tough? I'm deeply confused here. Though if I did something to upset you, I truly am sorry, that was not my intention at all. | ||
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On November 24 2020 14:43 Grackaroni wrote: If I can help you understand something please let me know and I'll happily try; I guess at this point I was more curious to see what you do from here, I'm not sure if continuing to discuss these points with you at this time will bear much more fruit.Meh that's fine. I don't understand part of your accusation but I think perhaps I misread the end of your post as a bit of showmanship like you're overly playing to an audience. Do you have any thoughts on Alakaslam and/or why I have a town lean on him? | ||
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He said he couldn't read Alakaslam, and then later agreed about leaning town on Alakaslam. And he was suspicious of me for sensible reasons, and then ended up calling me maybe town. It would make sense if he liked my townread of Alakaslam, agreeing with it and then townreading me as well, but (1) would that really be enough to sway him from his initial read in both cases, and (2) he continued to poke at my Alakaslam townread to point out what he perceived as flaws with it. Hm. | ||
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On November 24 2020 15:06 Grackaroni wrote: You basically said "I don't like to make/commit to early reads unless something really sticks out." The "unless something really sticks out" part is the take-back clause, basically like saying "I am like this, unless I'm not." It somewhat invalidates what is being said. It's similar to saying "this person is mafia unless ... " which is really weak because it doesn't have any conclusion.I don't understand what you mean when you say I threw a wishy-washy backsy-clause in my post, though I don't think you understand the intention of my post to begin with. I wasn't weighing in either way on Hapa's alignment. I was just sharing my own feeling about being expected to make early game reads. For your Slam read I don't agree. It seems like Slam is earnestly trying to become mayor but it seems a bit out of character to me. He pretty frequently tries to lynch himself to avoid being in LYLO as town so I don't know why town Slam would want to place extra responsibility on himself to decide the lynch all by himself. I guess I'm then just wondering why you felt the need to share your opinion on early game reads? I don't think anyone was super interested (not that we don't care, it just didn't seem the most relevant at the time, if that makes sense?). That's an interesting point about Alakaslam, I'll have ro think about that. His persistence about the mayor stuff with little substance is giving me pause too. | ||
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On November 24 2020 21:09 Jockmcplop wrote: Hey Jockmcplop! I guess I see what you are saying, I was primarily thinking about the Day 1 lynch aspect of the mayoral role and less about the protection aspect. I'll keep thinking about it.Hi trfel! Can you see how his run might not seem to me to come from a town perspective at all? Sure it looks like it but also you can also just as easily look at it as mafia trying to get free protection without having to risk anything because town gets the blame for the lynch and not slam. On November 24 2020 22:44 Jockmcplop wrote: Honestly, I didn't really expect other people to come up with compelling points that I hadn't thought of. Evidently I was wrong This post is bizarre. He says he doesn't think anything anyone will say will change his opinion of slam. But then later on: Also: Slam's pliable argument IS his entire campaign. Vote for him because he must be town because a vote for him is a vote for whatever town decides, therefore he must be town. I don't see how that comes from a town perspective. Trfel's start is all full of contradictions. He seems ultra confident about slam's tone and then seems to drop that line of thought so easily. I liked Alakaslam's opening, it felt very genuine to me, but his play after that has been rightfully pointed out as more suspicious. On November 25 2020 00:40 Vivax wrote: I forget the exact game, but I do have a specific game in mind. I remember generally scumreading Alakaslam and then the game I townread him, he was mafia. I don't mean that I "like" him in that he's friendly, but rather I liked his play, in that it seemed to come from a town perspective.I think I've seen Slam as scum only once, tops twice. IIRC. Since you have something in mind where this happened, do you remember the game? Or did you just scumread him when he was town. Either way I'm not a fan of this reasoning, mafia sometimes are the friendliest guys in the game, or girls in the case of cop last game. I like the idea to not have a pardoner in the game but would probably not expect it to work. @Alakaslam, why did you initially want to lynch Vivax? Sorry I'm having trouble seeing why. | ||
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I've been feeling really poor mentally, ended up sleeping through most of the day. Upside is I'll be up pretty late at night, but probably going to bed by about the time you get up again I wanted to discuss things with you and be around at the same time, that's my fault.Will you be around tomorrow before the deadline? | ||
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On November 25 2020 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: As a counterpoint to this, isn't the one game where you failed to catch Vivax as mafia his only recent mafia game? I could be wrong on that, but I remember that game recently where Vivax actually played the game as mafia for one of the first times, and it was significantly different from his previously typical mafia play (which was easily identifiable).I think Vivax is actually reading the game and making at least vivax!reasonable points. I think he is like my nemesis when we are both town (lol), he will probably call me mafia like 100 times this game and i think his conspiracy theories can even ruin the game for the town at times.... But anyways i think there has been like one game pretty much EVER when i have not been able to determine Vivax as mafia -- and very early -- when he has been mafia. He can post stupid ass shit, he can not even make any sense at all but the no matter if the game is 10 pages or 100 pages mafia!Vivax doesn't care to read the thread at all with any insight, period. Pretty much it was the post i asked him about, the Slam thing about Slam trying to make friends with you Hapa. I think it is too convoluted read to make if you are Vivax and play as mafia as Vivax plays as mafia. That's pretty much it, there are some other minor points like him getting and WILLFULLY getting into an argument with you, but the main point is that he is genuinely reading the game more than mafia!Vivax would. Since he's demonstrated his capabilities as mafia, I think that makes him much harder to read, especially early on. I'm just interested in your thoughts on that, and if you included that in your read? | ||
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On November 25 2020 09:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't feel too focused on Vivax's meta? I just know he's a capable scum player, and I don't feel like he's done anything out of that range yet. I'm confident his alignment will become more clear over time, I always think that lynches and deadlines make it much easier to discern players' alignments.I think you are morely focused on Vivax' meta and i am focused on his meta and then idk our worlds collide ffs lol.... :D | ||
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On November 25 2020 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. IMO you have to assume someone can play to the top of their scum range, and Vivax has demonstrated at least a decent scum range. Even if typically he hasn't hit that.uh.. then we have a problem. because i dont have him as "capable scum player" at all. I like Vivax's play so far and I'd town lean him I think, but I'm not too confident yet. | ||
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