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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 01 2020 22:41 GMT
#1501
On December 02 2020 07:40 Hapahauli wrote:
If a Town Bodyguard is killed, does he flip "VT" or Bodyguard?


he will flip bodyguard
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:42 GMT
#1502
Vivax, why from your perspective was it "obvious" that Rayn was targeted as opposed to yourself?
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
December 01 2020 22:43 GMT
#1503
I'm currently thinking setup. This would mean that we have parity cop, named VT as Fefe, mad hatter and a town roleblocker + medic who can't be roleblocked by mafia.

Someone's claim has to be fake.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:44 GMT
#1504
Apparently we have a vigi claim too.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
December 01 2020 22:45 GMT
#1505
On December 02 2020 07:42 Hapahauli wrote:
Vivax, why from your perspective was it "obvious" that Rayn was targeted as opposed to yourself?


If I had been targeted, it would be game over. Simples.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:45 GMT
#1506
On December 02 2020 07:45 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2020 07:42 Hapahauli wrote:
Vivax, why from your perspective was it "obvious" that Rayn was targeted as opposed to yourself?


If I had been targeted, it would be game over. Simples.


That's not true, since mafia can hold KP, and you would have no way of knowing if you were "roleblocked" (since you claim to be a VT).
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
December 01 2020 22:47 GMT
#1507
On December 02 2020 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2020 07:45 Vivax wrote:
On December 02 2020 07:42 Hapahauli wrote:
Vivax, why from your perspective was it "obvious" that Rayn was targeted as opposed to yourself?


If I had been targeted, it would be game over. Simples.


That's not true, since mafia can hold KP, and you would have no way of knowing if you were "roleblocked" (since you claim to be a VT).


Why would mafia hold KP? That's not a possibility I'm willing to entertain. Explain the benefit to me.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:48 GMT
#1508
On December 02 2020 07:47 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2020 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 02 2020 07:45 Vivax wrote:
On December 02 2020 07:42 Hapahauli wrote:
Vivax, why from your perspective was it "obvious" that Rayn was targeted as opposed to yourself?


If I had been targeted, it would be game over. Simples.


That's not true, since mafia can hold KP, and you would have no way of knowing if you were "roleblocked" (since you claim to be a VT).


Why would mafia hold KP? That's not a possibility I'm willing to entertain. Explain the benefit to me.


I don't think they would (see odds analysis last page), but it is possible for mafia to have a plan of trying to "frame" the target of Trfel's block.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:50 GMT
#1509
Frankly I think the game is over and solved.

Trfel should be confirmed town, since the game would be over if he wasn't JK (no way to block mafia shot).
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:52 GMT
#1510
Therefore, there are 3 plausible mafia:
Myself, Vivax, and Rayn

Rayn gets lynched today, which leaves us at 1 mafia v 3 town seemingly.

Then Trfel blocks me. If shot doesn't go through, I get lynched (conversely, if shot goes through, lynch Vivax).

Then Trfel can simply block Vivax if I flip town, and lynch mafia in a 1v2 LYLO.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:52 GMT
#1511
Like this game is mechanically over, no?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:53 GMT
#1512
I guess it's not over if Trfel is faking JK, but he'd be doing that simply to extend the game for no reason to taunt us.

Which would be BALLER AS FUCK, but unlikely.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:53 GMT
#1513
Vivax, what part of my analysis above doesn't hold water? Basically, town can safely lynch all three plausible mafia to win the game.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:54 GMT
#1514
OH FUCK nevermind it would be 2v2 in a mislynch today.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:54 GMT
#1515
So it's "solved" if Rayn flips mafia.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:56 GMT
#1516
So Vivax, from your perspective, Rayn is guarenteed mafia with me.

So lets lynch Rayn. He is guaranteed mafia. Then the game is actually mechanically and mathematically over.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:59 GMT
#1517
FF is confirmed town.

Town has no way of being alive today unless Trfel is actually the JK.

From your perspective, mafia had to shoot. Therefore, Rayn is confirmed mafia.

And if Rayn flips mafia, town can safely lynch both you (Vivax) and me in subsequent days.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 23:00 GMT
#1518
On December 02 2020 07:32 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm still buying you a drink Rayn.

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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
December 01 2020 23:01 GMT
#1519
Hapa is masterful at playing dumb I have to say.
All roles considered, the only odd claim remaining is Hapa. And we have evidence of a scum roleblocker.

N1 only Hapa 'accidentally' claimed roleblocked when Trfel jailed him.
N2 Trfel claimed roleblocked. Jailed Fefe.
N3 Trfel claimed roleblocked, rayn was jailed.

It's not decisive, but consistent with Hapa being roleblocker.

Mad hatter in this setup? No way.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 23:04 GMT
#1520
For realsies Vivax - is there any theoretical preference, from your perspective, to lynching myself first vs Rayn first?
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