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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 01 2020 22:05 GMT
#1481
On December 02 2020 07:03 Hapahauli wrote:
Ok. The suspense is too much. What did you do?
Should I say? Or should I wait?

Presumably mafia already knows what I did...... Unless they held their shot. Which is what I'm worried about currently.

But that would be quite the gamble, I dunno if mafia would actually do that. Though it would be hilarious if it worked.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 01 2020 22:06 GMT
#1482
On December 02 2020 07:03 Hapahauli wrote:
Ok. The suspense is too much. What did you do?
Also, shouldn't you know what I did if you are town?
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:07 GMT
#1483
On December 02 2020 07:06 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2020 07:03 Hapahauli wrote:
Ok. The suspense is too much. What did you do?
Also, shouldn't you know what I did if you are town?


Well I didn't receive a roleblock notification if that's what you're asking.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:07 GMT
#1484
I checked my role PM again and I'm not mafia
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 01 2020 22:13 GMT
#1485
Hapahauli, would mafia hold their KP here?
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 01 2020 22:13 GMT
#1486
Why didn't rayn kill anyone
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:16 GMT
#1487
On December 02 2020 07:13 Trfel wrote:
Hapahauli, would mafia hold their KP here?


I don't think so actually. I thought it was possible, but it's not like mafia guarentees a mislynch if you RB a poor unfortunate townie and we auto-lynch him.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:17 GMT
#1488
Let me talk through it a bit to check my thoughts.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:18 GMT
#1489
Actually before I do the math, were you Roleblocked Trfel? This affects the analysis.
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 01 2020 22:18 GMT
#1490
On December 02 2020 07:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Actually before I do the math, were you Roleblocked Trfel? This affects the analysis.
Yes I was.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:21 GMT
#1491
So from Trfel's perspective, he has a 25% chance to block the mafia KP assuming 2 mafia. Inversely, a 75% chance of mafia victory.

For scum to hold the shot, they would have to have to have a >75% chance of victory by holding it.
Mafia holding the shot would be an attempt to "frame" a townie or mislynch Trfel.
Problem is that Trfel has a 50% chance of "blocking" mafia.
Therefore from Trfel's perspective, you end up with a 50% of Trfel targeting a mafia and that mafia player getting "framed" by holding the shot, which does not seem like good odds to do so.

So I'd say no. I don't think mafia holds KP here.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:23 GMT
#1492
Or rather, it is not optimal play for mafia to hold KP here.

Obviously throw out all of this analysis if you targeted me Trfel, which in that case, you'd be lying scum since I wasn't roleblocked, and I'm obviously super innocent.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:23 GMT
#1493
But even if you claimed mafia, I wouldn't be sure that you were mafia
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:27 GMT
#1494
Well I actually take that analysis back.

I failed to take into account that Trfel only has three realistic targets: Myself, Rayn and Vivax. That's 1/3 odds of blocking the shot, and 2/3 odds of mafia victory.

So mafia needs >66% chance... and if they hold the shot, Mafia has a 66% chance of being targeted...

Which is worse odds than the first scenario, so the "mafia has bad odds to hold KP" stands I think.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22324 Posts
December 01 2020 22:29 GMT
#1495
Let me guess, you jailed one of rayn and Hapa?

So assuming yes it's groundhog day again, and I was right. Additionally, why would mafia ever hold their shot? For some sort of unlikely grand finale where they mislynch rayn?

Rayn + Hapa and all the post-game swag goes to yours truly.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 01 2020 22:31 GMT
#1496
I'm just going to say it. I jailed raynpelikoneet.

Playing a board game with my roommate, be back later.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:32 GMT
#1497
I'm still buying you a drink Rayn.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22324 Posts
December 01 2020 22:33 GMT
#1498
On December 02 2020 07:31 Trfel wrote:
I'm just going to say it. I jailed raynpelikoneet.

Playing a board game with my roommate, be back later.


Hapa would have claimed RB if you jailed him. So kinda obvious tbh.

But how TF are you roleblocked and rayn jailed? Something doesn't add up here.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:37 GMT
#1499
On December 02 2020 07:33 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2020 07:31 Trfel wrote:
I'm just going to say it. I jailed raynpelikoneet.

Playing a board game with my roommate, be back later.


Hapa would have claimed RB if you jailed him. So kinda obvious tbh.

But how TF are you roleblocked and rayn jailed? Something doesn't add up here.


Roleblock mechanics.

Host confirmed that JK is broken down into 2 stages:
1) A high priority roleblock, then subsequently;
2) A low priority save.

Therefore, Trfel can roleblock if he is roleblocked, but he cannot save
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2020 22:40 GMT
#1500
If a Town Bodyguard is killed, does he flip "VT" or Bodyguard?
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