[N]A Mostly Normal Game of Mafia - Page 69

On November 30 2020 19:52 Tictock wrote:
Ok, so I was kinda waiting for Vivax to post, but I am leaning far back into Hapa/Vivax being mafia here. I think they bussed each other yesturday and I think I can back this up. I'll go through what I see in their filters but a large part of it is that they both call each other mafia with some conviction but back off those reads in soft ways.

A big part of this stems from Hapa not taking a stance on who he thinks is mafia today. Despite several times saying he thinks Vivax is scum, and a big chunk of his arguments as to why Mafia would not kill him RELIES on Vivax being mafia.

Hapa did post some reads after his claim, which he even reaffirms later to rayn. In both he says he is down to Rayn/Vivax/Myself but states Vivax is his most confident scum read.

Bit of a tangent, but still in order of Hapa's filter, Hapa tells us he did not run for mayor because he wanted to use his role, but he also points out that he made it clear the only role he would not run for mayor with is Hatter. Mind you he feels he outed his role so clearly that Mafia should know that's his role. Anyone else see the irony in this?
+ Show Spoiler [quotes] +

All this brings me to this


Now I do actually find the notion that if mafia know Hapa was Jailed they might not shoot him fearing another jail. However, this was Hapa's first thoughts as to why he would be killed and I think it's really important because of his 2nd point. Again we get the sense that from Hapa's pov Vivax HAS to be mafia.

Whats even more interesting?


This was Hapa's last post before he claimed Hatter. Put yourself in mafia's shoes, does this make you feel certain that a clearly HatterHapa is bombing Vivax so you shouldn't kill him?

---

No more quotes as this post is big enough but when I asked Hapa what his reads were at the end of the lengthy discussion he claims he has no strong reads and seems to keep wanting to focus on Rayn.

Now to me it seems like Hapa clearly thinks Vivax is scum, but he has yet to actually push Vivax or put down a vote on him. Which matches a lot with the way that he backed off his Vivax read (even mildly calling him town) when voting Jock don't you think? This all reads to me like Hapa KNOWS Vivax is mafia, but is reluctant to actually lynch him today if he doesn't have to.

On December 01 2020 07:24 Tictock wrote:
I need to round our Hapa's post on me, looks like he missed a few of my posts.

I made the yolo team here in the game. I think it is relevant to read the next few posts after mine as I interacted with Vivax and explained where that team came from. Hapa choose not to include that post.

This post was in response to Hapa's case on Vivax


I also find it a bit funny he calls this...

attacking Trfel's read.

Not caught up yet, and more or less just waking up so might have to grab coffee and food soon.

On December 01 2020 08:41 Tictock wrote:


He is kinda on the same boat as me.

Hapa claimed mafia would not kill him because they might set off his bomb on mafia!Vivax. Rayn was rightfully hounding down that that makes no sense when they knew he didn't have a bomb down and could RB and kill him without any worry.

The only mechanical kink in that theory is that mafia knowing you are JK might be trying to play around protection. However this was still Happa's initial suggestion for why mafia would not kill him.

While I find that all telling, I think looking at Happa's overall play it is clear his thinking is fualty if he was in fact Hatter. First he contradicts himself saying he didn't want mayor because getting shit let's hit use the role, but he later attempts to clearly breadcrum his role. I also think him using his blue claim as an excuse to drop off the game for awhile is telling.

Then you can add in my point about his clearly having a strong scum read on Vivax at the start of day, they spends a few posts going "I don't know who is mafia, I keep flip flopping on Rayn" after several pages of defending his claim to me and rayn

On December 01 2020 14:34 Tictock wrote:


Humm, is this so crazy?

It suppose it could explain some things.

On December 01 2020 14:43 Tictock wrote:
Yes I say that after making a big deal of not wanting to move my vote earlier.

I thought Vivax had been the safe bet for most of the day but Hapa made me lose my shit by not pushing Vivax earlier.

On December 01 2020 14:48 Tictock wrote:


I am not getting into that, just saying Vivax should be the lynch here.