On December 02 2020 02:22 Hapahauli wrote: What's the question?
Why I changed my read on you, or why my meta assessments of you don't seemingly "match"?
I changed my read on you. Both of those statements are part of your meta. Statement 2 applies in all of your town games. Statement 1 applies in some of your town games, but I believe it rarely, if ever manifests itself in your scumgames.
This is the question:
You scumread me early on in the game for: Doing 1, but 'I do not at all associate scum Rayn with keeping a discussion focused'?
On November 26 2020 03:48 Hapahauli wrote: To be clear, I do not trust Rayn enough for him to be Mayor.
His new playstyle has a plausible explanation. Don't get me wrong. But I have doubt, and I do not want any doubt about the town mayor. As for my doubt: I can understand how there is less "rage" in his game, and that is not an inherently mafia-oriented thing. But he is not pushing the game forward in the way I would expect him to as town. Rayn is hyper paranoid, stubborn, and a bit of a "steamroller" in his typical town games. His mafia games have some of those traits, but in my experience, they are more toned down.
Raynpelikoneet - I understand why his playstyle is different. My sense is that he's not pushing the game forward in a way that I would expect him to, even taking into account his desire "not to get annoyed by random things." Could be mafia, or could be me just being unfair.
My read doesn't really change, and then I subsequently leave the thread for a pretty long period of time.
By the time I am back, I am in a situation where I am responding to a lot of questions without having really seriously read the thread.
When I seriously read the thread yesterday, I update my opinion. From D1, you had done a lot of things that I hadn't had the time to sit down and wrestle with. Additionally, taking your filter in context and thinking about it more made me focus (I think appropriately) on some of your de-escalation tactics rather than some other bits of your D1 gameplay.
On December 02 2020 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also dont like at all you shitting on my reads on FF and Slam because noone in this game has been right so far and it feels like you'd rether attack my credibility in total instead of trying to lynch mafia.
Why was my case on FF not one of your talking points on N2 / early D3 when you thought me + Vivax are mafia? I would like you to post a defense on that case now, if you may:
On November 28 2020 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I however think FecalFeast is most likely mafia here. Short version is that during N1 there were two cases that rose, jock and vivax. I get the impression that FF doesnt even know what the cases are and just decided to pick one of those two to push without much thinking. There are things that support that point: - He doesnt even know what the case against Vivax is. I understand choosing from 2 "lynch targets" but he hasnt even read the case against Vivax - His points on jock mostly happened at the time he townread jock. I dont know how that makes sense because apparently he doesnt even share the same opinion that jock's "irrationality" during slam campaign is suspicious (as it's not in his case). He has never talked about it either so i believe he hasnt even read it. Or if he has read it why hasn't he commented on it, even with "i agree" or "i dont think that makes jock mafia", after all jock is his top scumread it seems?
For those things i think FF is mafia. I can elaborate further in case someone thinks i am being unclear here, but that's not gonna happen befor e my second shift ends (in 9 hours).
On December 01 2020 13:51 Hapahauli wrote: Fuck off. I played your rapid fire questioning bullshit last night. It got me nowhere.
I’m not going to field more insane questions from you when it’s midnight.
If you are town, you’ve played like shit all game. You’ve been convinced that Slam and FF were mafia for stupid reasons, and you still have the arrogance to try and push the same shit on me now.
"Yesterday" meaning that my deep readthrough of the thread was extremely late two days ago as well as yesterday morning. The post you just quoted in #1288 is from after I did a readthrough and spammed all my cases.
"You’ve been convinced that Slam and FF were mafia for stupid reasons, and you still have the arrogance to try and push the same shit on me now."
You already read and posted reads on me, vivax and TT, so why was my read stupid. You now have the upper hand if youre mafia to KNOW the person is town. But i wanna hear it, because i still dont think that read is stupid as shit.
On December 02 2020 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: If my stuff is plainly false why dont you point it out?
Because: 1) It will never end. 2) Some of the things you bring up are so insufferingly obviously wrong that I feel insulted at having to try and explain them.
And we circle back to #1. I address something. It makes sense to you. You bring up something else.
I really don't see the end in sight here, which makes me think I am wasting my time.
On November 25 2020 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Vivax is actually reading the game and making at least vivax!reasonable points. I think he is like my nemesis when we are both town (lol), he will probably call me mafia like 100 times this game and i think his conspiracy theories can even ruin the game for the town at times.... But anyways i think there has been like one game pretty much EVER when i have not been able to determine Vivax as mafia -- and very early -- when he has been mafia. He can post stupid ass shit, he can not even make any sense at all but the no matter if the game is 10 pages or 100 pages mafia!Vivax doesn't care to read the thread at all with any insight, period. Pretty much it was the post i asked him about, the Slam thing about Slam trying to make friends with you Hapa. I think it is too convoluted read to make if you are Vivax and play as mafia as Vivax plays as mafia. That's pretty much it, there are some other minor points like him getting and WILLFULLY getting into an argument with you, but the main point is that he is genuinely reading the game more than mafia!Vivax would.
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What is your assessment of this post and Vivax's play?
EPT
But i wanna hear it, because i still dont think that read is stupid as shit.
