[M][N] Holy Guardians - Cpt 3

On July 08 2020 02:34 Tictock wrote:
What up all.

My plan is to lynch everyone who got forced into this game. So coin toss between Cake and Slam I think.

That'll teach em

On July 08 2020 04:38 CopCake wrote:
I wanted to be mafia and I am not

On July 08 2020 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hmmmm...

On July 08 2020 19:39 CopCake wrote:


Dont feel forced to vote just because someone told you to do it, it is your life, your reads, your way of playing. To me that looks even more scummy than you were before.

And yes you should watch it!!!!!!

Who doesnt want to watch a show that in the first episode shows you a corgi?

On July 08 2020 18:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yes, specifically in a townie kind of way.

The thing i find a bit weird in your approach is that in case you're actually interested in VE (who had the total 180 approach on shockeyy than you did -- so basically you should), i dont really know why you're "harassing" shockeyy right now instead of him? Like shockeyy did what he did and his posting so far definitely needs explaining. Which is something shockeyy will do anyways when he returns from the hangover land. Or if he doesn't, he is probably mafia. It's like... You progressed on something that will come out regardless of you asking for it, and left something else just be. Aka, from my pov you focused something useless instead of something useful.

On July 08 2020 19:44 CopCake wrote:


Do you feel like you will never die?

On July 09 2020 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also VE is the player this game who sounds like a robot. Possibly mafia too.

On July 09 2020 03:14 Alakaslam wrote:

He is fos all over the place and looks like the scumteam I hosted did early on

On July 09 2020 05:30 CopCake wrote:


Why am I not a super hero?

On July 09 2020 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I dont really think you're mafia, but i have no reasons to think you're town. Like, i have absolutely no idea why you would think what you did. I don't know why you think Slam is mafia. I don't know why Shockeyy was "interested in the game" when you said he was, i don't know why you liked jock and shock and i don't know why you felt the need to say you liked shock there because you already thought he is town.

On July 09 2020 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also VE is the player of this game. who sounds like a robot. Possibly mafia too.

On July 09 2020 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk if you should know that that does not make Slam mafia.

On July 09 2020 05:52 CopCake wrote:
I like VE even if I am not a super hero.

Pocketing me? No.

Kinda interested for nostalgia?

Yes, he is.

On July 09 2020 05:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Meta's change so much in every game. I hardly ever try to use meta. I'm a vote counter myself.

On July 09 2020 05:58 CopCake wrote:



Like I find that scummy.

On July 09 2020 06:08 CopCake wrote:
I just think TickTock seems forced, how can he forget Chezinu?

I might get call out for that but it is like forgetting that New York has the statue of Liberty.

On July 09 2020 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also people who feel the need to inform they forgot about the game start after this confirmation thing started to happen tend to be mafia.

On July 09 2020 17:33 Jockmcplop wrote:


I'd like to know what VE thinks about it too, considering he was on slam before and now they are on trfel together. VE's vote on slam was an early randomish vote but he continued to suspect him, or at least shade his reads, later on too.

I have a strong reason to sus shockeyy right now but i want to wait until he explains the post i quoted above.

I can't get a good read on ticktock but tbh i don't agree with your reason for sussing him. I'm like 90% sure you're town anyway.

On July 10 2020 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE where's your head at? What's with the vote change?

On July 10 2020 04:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So VE is the next mafia?

On July 10 2020 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This post VE?

On July 09 2020 23:10 Jockmcplop wrote:


I don't think he's trying to pocket me, I think he's just trying to get me to stop suspecting him. Eliminate the suspicion by doing the thing he knows i'm looking for in town shockeyy..

On July 10 2020 04:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I didn't scream about anybody :l

I also didn't actively try to pull votes off Trfel.

On July 10 2020 01:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I actually don't think Trfel is mafia here. Sadly he might get lynched anyways.

On July 10 2020 04:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:


You're the only other person voting for Slam, along with myself and Trfel, don't you think that makes you also look really scummy?

On July 10 2020 04:41 Tictock wrote:


Dude, that is far from screaming or pulling votes off.

On July 10 2020 03:09 Tictock wrote:


This was an illiegal post, but it makes me think Sho is like 99% town.

Jock is also looking fairly sus to me right now.

On July 10 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Well I owned up to my bad vote, did you? I didn't see you own up to switching off Trfel for Slam. :\

On July 10 2020 07:08 Alakaslam wrote:

I can vouch for this

Cake chill

He is not scum

On July 10 2020 20:37 Jockmcplop wrote:


Chez accidentally bussed his partner? I don't see it. He always parks his vote on day 1 and i would be very surprised if he left it on his mafia partner. Can't rule it out I guess but I see it as unlikely and am ruling out lynching him day 2.

On July 11 2020 02:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Can you add more value? Or you just going to complain about other people adding value?

On July 11 2020 10:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You made no sense man. Vote me all you want, I just threw a possible case on you and you come back angry and auto vote for me. I just claimed you might be mafia and here’s why. Im just trying to put down some reasons, saying that the possibility is there.

On July 11 2020 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:


1)You're not really doing much to help imo especially after D1 and N1.



2)My thought would be that VE killed TT for fun, just cause A it would throw people off, and B, probably wanted to see if he can get away with it.

3)The other part that makes VE seem scummy is him voting for Trfel then unvoting for him. He does not state any real reason why he voted for him then switches to Slam for who knows what reason.



In all honesty, VE seems even more scummier than slam at this point.

On July 09 2020 07:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean he did soft-shit on your townread of TT, so there's that, but you didn't even mention that.

On July 09 2020 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Trfel

Did you forget again sir?

On July 10 2020 04:22 VisceraEyes wrote:

Combined with my pure town read of Jock based on


this post

I just went with it. I didn't NOT think Trfel was mafia, but I was also fine with Slam being counterwagon etc etc, plz forgive.

On July 11 2020 05:14 CopCake wrote:
Nah, if VE was mafia he would kill rayn on a heart beat I think

Killing TT is a very “Cake” move, or someone who believed rayn would get doctored/jailed/something

So whoever killed TT it is someone very wary of night actions.

On July 11 2020 13:26 Jockmcplop wrote:

Soaking the sponge in brandy or rum first is a good shout if you like booze.

On July 11 2020 13:27 Jockmcplop wrote:

its 5:30am and i'm wasted so i probably shouldn't be posting at all.

On July 11 2020 13:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Nah still here just with the wife, can’t respond as much.

On July 11 2020 13:32 Jockmcplop wrote:

I really can't see a world where shockeyy kills Tictock.
I'm gonna have to be convinced to get over that before EoD if you want me on a shockeyy wagon.

On July 11 2020 13:35 Jockmcplop wrote:

I'll think about it tomorrow (this is an instruction to future jock)

Peace

On July 11 2020 13:41 Chezinu wrote:

Did you hear that trifle? The one that sees says you need work... How dare he insult me sweet trifle!!!


unless... he means that trifle and I need to work out some more.. in which case, I may take up that offer... However.. if this is an insult to my sweet trifle....

That means he is getting between me and my trifle...

On July 11 2020 22:53 Jockmcplop wrote:
Oh wow VE is scum.



YOu can see clearly from yesterday that VE thinks shockeyy is mafia. He's sure of it.




He couldn't care less who gets lynched here between me and shockeyy despite outright calling shockeyy mafia and 'only just' being able to see me being mafia.

Ridiculous.

On July 11 2020 23:17 VisceraEyes wrote:

Calm down cat, have YOU ever tried to convince rayn of anything? Brother doesn't EVER listen to me and fmp it can be either one of you. You HAVE to be able to see it like that, you've got a MUCH better chance of convincing me that Shock is scum, ya know?

On July 12 2020 21:18 CopCake wrote:
Why would you track ticktock who you said you were so sure it was town but not shockey, your reason why you didnt vote for tfrl?

On July 12 2020 21:54 Jockmcplop wrote:

OK. There's no way i would vote for rayn anyway, but i'm keeping an open mind.

I'm torn between VE and shockeyy right now.
Its probably just shockeyy tbh.

I really didn't like the way VE switched his vote away from shockeyy yesterday, but at the same time shockeyy has been much scummier over the course of the game.

##unvote
##vote: shockeyy

On July 12 2020 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright so yeah, i think VE would definitely shoot into Trfel wagon in case he was mafia. It's simply just the best play ESPECIALLY if you voted not Trfel. I don't think VE makes "weird" night kills, he plays the "easiest possible route for a win" game.

On July 13 2020 01:38 CopCake wrote:


Not really, that could also mean that shockey thinks he is having a bad read.

On July 13 2020 01:48 CopCake wrote:


I was honestly super busy all day getting fat.

And Jock was the one who was getting lunched, not you until he claimed.

On July 13 2020 01:55 Alakaslam wrote:
I sus VE here if ShoCkeyy is town. But I think game is over within 10 mins.

On July 13 2020 03:51 Alakaslam wrote:

Tail a lynch on town upon which I was further tailed

By someone who moved from the scum vote and was really panicky about how he looked coming off it

On July 13 2020 04:33 CopCake wrote:


I was getting you lynched when?

On July 13 2020 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can people stop being shit ok?

On July 13 2020 11:43 Chezinu wrote:



Argh... VE... who do you think was the berry trifle? + Show Spoiler +. He was Mr. Truffle last game.

Watch my videos!!! The ones who die follow the names I declare in my videos. Similar to last game.

First the berry trifle then the captain... shocking...

I thought you had the eyes that see...

On July 13 2020 21:34 CopCake wrote:
I think he said that if it is one in the wagon is slam

On July 13 2020 21:44 CopCake wrote:


How many blue roles do you think this game has?

I want to brought up that Tfrl was the mafia role cop which makes it less likely that someone like me or rayn would allow a big role to go on waste just like that (unless he actually thinks that no one would go on that but that is too tinfoil), even if there is another mafia power role I think it is just bad overall.

On July 14 2020 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

????????????????????????????????????????

you cleared him lol

On July 14 2020 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE are you here?

On July 09 2020 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I actually think it is. He doesnt tend to lie especially when roleplaying. I am not sure if other people caught the flavor "roleplay" between us but at least i am pretty sure Chezinu knows who i am and that translated to the real gameplay, he either doesnt know my alignment or wouldnt lie (imo) so in both of those scenarios he is town.

On July 14 2020 11:32 Jockmcplop wrote:
How does me asking why rayn said VE was mafia make me mafia?
It was stupid, yeah, but you can see why i made that mistake.

Rayn was basically saying i'm lying about everything and then saying he trusts my claim, except i didn't think any deeper than that and realise that VE is clear either way.

Anyway, fuck it idc if i die, just VE please don't assume i'm mafia because rayn will kill you tonight so if you can get some *other* mafia playing than talking about why i'm mafia done in the next few hours it will probably help.

Rayn's got chez in his pocket for lylo anyway so i think the game's lost.

If anyone reads this when i'm dead rayn is mafia.

Can i just say that again, rayn is mafia.

Its rayn.

On July 14 2020 11:42 Jockmcplop wrote:
He played a perfect game VE.

No matter that he lynched a town yesterday with us.

His game was 'perfect'.

100% of his actions went exactly as he wanted.

Perfect.

On July 14 2020 11:57 Jockmcplop wrote:


Probably chezinu because all of that in the last post could apply to chezinu too, but to a lesser degree (ie he was 'less' comfortable at the time of TT's death).

On July 09 2020 08:07 Tictock wrote:
Rayn I don't expect much, but can you throw a bit to help me understand why you feel Chez is town?

I get he is sorta claiming his "character name" but I don't see how that helps identify him as town. As far as I am aware we all received a character for flavor purposes but doesn't determine alignment.

Trfel's only post is hot garbage. Excuse into throwing shade based on what happend in another game.

On July 14 2020 12:04 VisceraEyes wrote:

This is the only thing I can see that might irk Chez into killing Ticktock. He shaded Chez and in the same breath invoked the role PMs, maybe he got a role read off him.

On July 14 2020 12:08 Jockmcplop wrote:


Just saw this.
Its not exactly a smoking gun.
I know chez has payed close attention to rayn this game. Rayn suggesting we check me/tictock and then chez killing tictock does make alot of sense.

On July 14 2020 12:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
For my part, I hated the way rayn came into today like slam is the lynch but without even the slightest open mind toward me not being mafia. I cant square that circle. It looks pure scum. If there's some ironclad argument from earlier in the game that i'm not getting it coudl do with explaining now.

On July 14 2020 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like if rayn is mafia, his game wasn't perfect. He idiotically bussed his partner D1, Trfel could've ridden for D1 and came back blazing D2 it happens ALL the time. There's no long-con justification for bussing your partner D1 in mafia it's a numbers game dog.

On July 10 2020 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Firstly, i have to say that i think there is no reason why Trfel's scumbuddy isn't possibly voting for him right now assuming Trfel is mafia. Votes on him (aside from me and maybe Chezinu?) are basically because he is inactive. That's easy to fix, Trfel just starts posting and you can take off the vote on your scumbuddy. No harm done.

However i actually do think Trfel's post in itself looks like a mafia post. Basically i see Trfel as paerson who investigates things and asks questions because there is some sort of contradiction to his own thought process of how things should go and he tries to figure out what the person thinks and if it makes sense or not. See for example him questioning Cake last game at the start of the game.

This post though:

...doesn't reall show any of this. First of all the whole question i nthe first place about TT is really stupid and shows no thinking behind it at all. Because TT was fucking mafia in the last game!!!! Trfel thinking TT was town last game doesn't mean shit because Trfel was WRONG and if TT is town this game, there FOR SURE is a difference in his play (regardless of if anyone can notice it or not at that point). Like the whole question feels like a throwaway thing based on no thinking at all. It just.... doesn't make any sense to me that THIS is what Trfel has to say when he comes and posts. Coming in late makes it more likely you make mistakes as mafia, and i think Trfel made on here.

Also a smaller point is that yeah, as i said earlier, people who feel the need to tell that they forgot about the game starting (regardless of if it is true or not) are more likely to be mafia. That's a fact. No matter when you start posting there should be no reason for a townie to feel the need to explain why they haven't been posting so far.

On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure if people understand my read on ES, definitely don't understand why some people call it a bad read. My read is based on the fact ES seems (first) to be having an opinion on how Grack plays, then follows the logic further and comes to a conclusion that makes no sense. I can somehow understand this from town perspective still because ES seems to be a player who dumps everything she currently thinks into the thread and possibly can make logical mistakes (reference; the gunsmith game for those who know). That's why i unvoted. I was not sure. But then she did it again with HF. Like she literally said HF is super strong mafia player and then she went on saying if HF is mafia he is just gonna afk and we kill him. That's strike two and noone ever says that as town if the starting point is that HF is ridiculously strong mafia player. If someone has an opinion on someone else's play based on meta they NEVER contradict that opinion straight up as town, i am just not going to believe it.

I am letting Eywa off the hook at least until ES flip because i think ES is mafia, lately Eywa has made sense regardless of if i agree with her or not, and i think bussing would be stupid here, double bussing ridiculously stupid. I don't believe there is any chance they are mafia together and i think ES is scum so there is that.

I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense. When Grack was mafia he didn't really post anything "bad", in fact he posted all the right things but all that together was some random right things. The bus on Vivax especially threw me off there. There was not really any train of thought seen from his posting, if you get what i mean. rn i think it's different, however i am not fan of Grack's read on ES, especially the reasoning behind his read, because -- just like trfel's -- the reasoning doesn't really make anyone anything, it's a surface level read and easy to make without saying anything wrong, but there is really nothing that should make the opposing player anything. I guess they could be mafia together but i do not want to lynch Grack over ES.

I am not a fan of Trfel at all. I have pretty much no idea what he is doing and what he is trying to achieve. It feels like mafia!disformation-style-of-posting where you say stuff and look like youre thinking about stuff but you don't really say anything or do anything and everyone just ignores you.

Idk if i missed something. I have a friend over at my place so i am trying to read along and i will kick him out at latest 1 hour before deadline to be around.

On July 14 2020 13:11 Jockmcplop wrote:


OK I'll vote with you on chez.

I'm not going to be able to get you to vote rayn whatever happens.
All i'll say is if its rayn i'm going to kick and scream postgame.

On July 14 2020 13:21 Jockmcplop wrote:


Not exactly he was more subtle but he did mention ES in almost every single post in the last few pages of his filter there when she was dead.

On July 14 2020 13:24 Jockmcplop wrote:


I already voted with you its fine. I'm assuming you won't vote for rayn today.
I wish slam would come back. Either way chez has a good % chance of being mafia even if i personally think its slightly more likely to be rayn.

To rayn's credit I haven't found his play particularly frustrating to play against and he hasn't wasted huge amounts of time with extreme arguing and long posts, and those are things i would look for in mafia rayn. Then again he hasn't been in any danger at any point.

On July 14 2020 20:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, all I know is that TT died after trying to depocket rayn from Chez on D1, on a night when night actions were directed at he/Chez.

On D2 Chez did nothing but gloat about Trfel dying, and on N2 Cake died after intimating suspicion on Chez and claiming a blue role.

On July 15 2020 11:07 Alakaslam wrote:
I’m still here. Just not seeing a scenario where one of not Jock or Rayn is scum. But also

Not seeing a particularly strong case for anyone being town. And having sussed everyone at this point.

On July 14 2020 12:08 VisceraEyes wrote:

Reposted for visibility. Also Chez is renown for being a role-player. Not as in roleplayer as in playing a character which he's ALSO renown for, but also for sniffing out roles as both alignments. NOTORIOUS, I think he's as good as like BC or Ver at shit like that. I think his D1 would have been SEARCHING for posts like this that make Chez think that the player is thinking about their role vs being vanilla and forgetting it instantly.