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On May 05 2020 14:15 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 14:13 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:09 Grackaroni wrote:On May 05 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:04 Grackaroni wrote:On May 05 2020 14:03 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:02 Grackaroni wrote: What are you going to study?
My life is fucked too lol. I majored in Mechanical Engineering before, I'm planning on going back for Computer Science. The prerequisites overlap, so it'll only be another two and a half years or so... How so? Oh nice. I majored in math and have no experience for anything. I'm stuck tutoring at least until Covid passes. I think I may try to get into Computer Science too. Ah, yeah  How does tutoring work during the coronavirus time? I imagine it would be a lot harder to find new people to tutor... And that'd be cool! It ought to be a good career for getting employed and staying employed  Actually busier than before. There's a lot of people looking to fill in missing school time. Huh, surprised, that's pretty cool though! I assume that's a good thing for you? Haha Yeah for the moment but there's no long-term prospects there. Hey, at least you have prospects right now 
If you do decide to move into computer science I hope it works out for you! It seems like you have a good mind for it though, you seem to reason pretty well. And it's impressive you can do math, I could never be a math major haha. Once things get too far past calculus I can't really keep up anymore.
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On May 05 2020 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Grack Chez (if really blue) Trfel jock Vivax Slam Koshi
This is where I'm at atm, from a PoE list. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, we can talk about the game too if you want I assume that's from towniest to scummiest?
Why Vivax so low, if I may? I don't recall seeing much on him in your filter (though I am forgetful)?
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On May 05 2020 14:20 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 14:15 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 13:55 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 12:37 Trfel wrote: Hey GlowingBear, have you been feeling any better?
How's life been the past few years? I guess it's been quite a while since we really talked. Oh I just saw this post. Yes, I'm feeling better. I was just under some major stress and saturday I had some kind of breakdown. Fortunately, it helped me a lot. Still feeling headaches and muscular pain but it's a bit less. Last few years was tough. I had a big life crisis three years ago. And here I am now  thank you for asking, Trfel. What about you? Btw, Trfel, I coached you once, didn't I? Glad to hear! It makes sense, I'm really glad you are doing better, hopefully you can continue to recover. Mostly stress from work? Glad you made it through! I guess I'm kinda in a life crisis currently, I think I am going to go back to school and try and get a different degree. So that will be fun, more school.... Yes, I think you coached me twice, actually! Which is why my play early in the game can tend to be similar to yours (to get discussion started). I think I've improved my read accuracy significantly over the last few years, ironically the rest of my play has gotten worse over the same time, but ah well. I appreciate your willingness to help and offer advice  Dude, we learn A LOT from life crisis. You have to be strong, though. If you're resilient enough, you'll see that you're stronger than you think. And will be more able to deal with problems. May I ask what did you graduate at? Yeah, I realized we have similar playstyles  I believe I changed a bit since I stopped playing, anyway. Your style is good, PADAWAN APPROVED Unfortunately I'm not very strong  I've been dealing with quite a bit of depression these past few years, it's been making life quite difficult. Hopeful that things can start to improve though! Aw, thanks  I appreciate it! I didn't realize you officially stopped, are you just playing now because of the virus or what? And if I may, how did your style change? I've dealt with depression too. If it's not clinical (definitely go see a psychiatrist), then a therapist and physical exercise will help you deal with it. Still today I fight it a bit. Once I feel depression coming, I accept it and work with it. The black dog stuff is a nice way to portrait depression. Yes, I came back because of the virus. I thought "okay, maybe a good time to play mafia". My style changed because I became way less emotional and paranoid. So, that's good  Unfortunately mine is clinical, I've been in therapy and psychiatry for years and even a hospital stay from it What do you mean by the black dog stuff?
I only came back because of the virus too, honestly I've been enjoying it though. Fun game, fun people Even once this ends, consider coming back every once in a while! It'd be too bad if you stopped permanently. Though I guess everyone does eventually...
Haha, sounds good ^^ But paranoia is so much fun!
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On May 05 2020 14:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 14:19 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Grack Chez (if really blue) Trfel jock Vivax Slam Koshi
This is where I'm at atm, from a PoE list. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, we can talk about the game too if you want  I assume that's from towniest to scummiest? Why Vivax so low, if I may? I don't recall seeing much on him in your filter (though I am forgetful)? Yes, that's the problem. I think Vivax is town, but he came at that point in a order of preference. His posts seems okay and he is pretty reasonable, but I can't remember anything he did that made me think "okay, town". I don't even know what his scumreads are. I thought shockey was mafia and that he might be with you, he wasn't. I thought rayn was mafia, he dies on night 2. I thought Chez might be mafia, but he might be blue. So, basically, I've townread all survivors. I'm trying to do the opposite of what I usually do: search for mafia and go for it recklessly. It's MYLO, so I need to think about possible teams and who I think are actually town. This order of preference puts Vivax, Slam and Koshi as possible mafia. But it doesn't make sense because I have reasons to townread all of them. Do you think this team is possible? Hm, that makes sense for Vivax. I'm just surprised you have him even lower than Jockmcplop, in my eyes Jockmcplop hasn't done anything particularly towny either? (not that I don't think Vivax is town)
Honestly right now I don't see any team but you, Jockmcplop, and likely Alakaslam. Your team makes sense though, it explains the night 1 kill fairly well and I don't believe any of the three interacted together a ton.
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On May 05 2020 14:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:20 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:15 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 13:55 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 12:37 Trfel wrote: Hey GlowingBear, have you been feeling any better?
How's life been the past few years? I guess it's been quite a while since we really talked. Oh I just saw this post. Yes, I'm feeling better. I was just under some major stress and saturday I had some kind of breakdown. Fortunately, it helped me a lot. Still feeling headaches and muscular pain but it's a bit less. Last few years was tough. I had a big life crisis three years ago. And here I am now  thank you for asking, Trfel. What about you? Btw, Trfel, I coached you once, didn't I? Glad to hear! It makes sense, I'm really glad you are doing better, hopefully you can continue to recover. Mostly stress from work? Glad you made it through! I guess I'm kinda in a life crisis currently, I think I am going to go back to school and try and get a different degree. So that will be fun, more school.... Yes, I think you coached me twice, actually! Which is why my play early in the game can tend to be similar to yours (to get discussion started). I think I've improved my read accuracy significantly over the last few years, ironically the rest of my play has gotten worse over the same time, but ah well. I appreciate your willingness to help and offer advice  Dude, we learn A LOT from life crisis. You have to be strong, though. If you're resilient enough, you'll see that you're stronger than you think. And will be more able to deal with problems. May I ask what did you graduate at? Yeah, I realized we have similar playstyles  I believe I changed a bit since I stopped playing, anyway. Your style is good, PADAWAN APPROVED Unfortunately I'm not very strong  I've been dealing with quite a bit of depression these past few years, it's been making life quite difficult. Hopeful that things can start to improve though! Aw, thanks  I appreciate it! I didn't realize you officially stopped, are you just playing now because of the virus or what? And if I may, how did your style change? I've dealt with depression too. If it's not clinical (definitely go see a psychiatrist), then a therapist and physical exercise will help you deal with it. Still today I fight it a bit. Once I feel depression coming, I accept it and work with it. The black dog stuff is a nice way to portrait depression. Yes, I came back because of the virus. I thought "okay, maybe a good time to play mafia". My style changed because I became way less emotional and paranoid. So, that's good  Unfortunately mine is clinical, I've been in therapy and psychiatry for years and even a hospital stay from it  What do you mean by the black dog stuff? I only came back because of the virus too, honestly I've been enjoying it though. Fun game, fun people  Even once this ends, consider coming back every once in a while! It'd be too bad if you stopped permanently. Though I guess everyone does eventually... Haha, sounds good ^^ But paranoia is so much fun! I didn't had time because I started working with theater too. And when you're in rehearsals, it's impossible to play mafia. But anyway, let's see what happens after this coronavirus stuff. Maybe I keep playing. Thanks for that  good to know I'm welcome. Know that this is reciprocal. If I may, what kind of involvement with theater? And thanks, I really do appreciate it 
The more I think about it, the more your team does make sense. In some ways it makes more sense than my team. For example, I think it's weird putting you and Jockmcplop as mafia together, given how you went after Jockmcplop's joke vote so solidly and for so long. And I don't have many good reasons for Alakaslam to be mafia besides POE But for some reason it still feels like it has to be right.
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On May 05 2020 14:35 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 14:30 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:25 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:19 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Grack Chez (if really blue) Trfel jock Vivax Slam Koshi
This is where I'm at atm, from a PoE list. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, we can talk about the game too if you want  I assume that's from towniest to scummiest? Why Vivax so low, if I may? I don't recall seeing much on him in your filter (though I am forgetful)? Yes, that's the problem. I think Vivax is town, but he came at that point in a order of preference. His posts seems okay and he is pretty reasonable, but I can't remember anything he did that made me think "okay, town". I don't even know what his scumreads are. I thought shockey was mafia and that he might be with you, he wasn't. I thought rayn was mafia, he dies on night 2. I thought Chez might be mafia, but he might be blue. So, basically, I've townread all survivors. I'm trying to do the opposite of what I usually do: search for mafia and go for it recklessly. It's MYLO, so I need to think about possible teams and who I think are actually town. This order of preference puts Vivax, Slam and Koshi as possible mafia. But it doesn't make sense because I have reasons to townread all of them. Do you think this team is possible? Hm, that makes sense for Vivax. I'm just surprised you have him even lower than Jockmcplop, in my eyes Jockmcplop hasn't done anything particularly towny either? (not that I don't think Vivax is town) Honestly right now I don't see any team but you, Jockmcplop, and likely Alakaslam. Your team makes sense though, it explains the night 1 kill fairly well and I don't believe any of the three interacted together a ton. Trfel, I'm not mafia. I saw jock hard defending me day2 and there was no need for him to do that. Mafia jock would jump at ANY counterwagon. You threw suspicions at me so it was natural that, if jock is mafia, they would support your case and go against me. But they didn't. Jock didn't. I can't see him not going against me as mafia. Which leads to mafia being satisfied with the people up for the lynch. They didn't care day2. I'll re-read day2 tomorrow and see who is not caring much for the lynch. Maybe I can start from there. That does make sense, unfortunately it only works if you are town 
Is there any other reason to townread Jockmcplop that you have? From my experience, when I read someone based off only one reason it can be very susceptible to mistakes/unexpected mafia behavior. I will take a look at what you are saying though.
Given your team, mafia didn't care about the Day 1 lynch either, no?
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On May 05 2020 14:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 14:36 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:27 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:20 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:15 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 13:55 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 12:37 Trfel wrote: Hey GlowingBear, have you been feeling any better?
How's life been the past few years? I guess it's been quite a while since we really talked. Oh I just saw this post. Yes, I'm feeling better. I was just under some major stress and saturday I had some kind of breakdown. Fortunately, it helped me a lot. Still feeling headaches and muscular pain but it's a bit less. Last few years was tough. I had a big life crisis three years ago. And here I am now  thank you for asking, Trfel. What about you? Btw, Trfel, I coached you once, didn't I? Glad to hear! It makes sense, I'm really glad you are doing better, hopefully you can continue to recover. Mostly stress from work? Glad you made it through! I guess I'm kinda in a life crisis currently, I think I am going to go back to school and try and get a different degree. So that will be fun, more school.... Yes, I think you coached me twice, actually! Which is why my play early in the game can tend to be similar to yours (to get discussion started). I think I've improved my read accuracy significantly over the last few years, ironically the rest of my play has gotten worse over the same time, but ah well. I appreciate your willingness to help and offer advice  Dude, we learn A LOT from life crisis. You have to be strong, though. If you're resilient enough, you'll see that you're stronger than you think. And will be more able to deal with problems. May I ask what did you graduate at? Yeah, I realized we have similar playstyles  I believe I changed a bit since I stopped playing, anyway. Your style is good, PADAWAN APPROVED Unfortunately I'm not very strong  I've been dealing with quite a bit of depression these past few years, it's been making life quite difficult. Hopeful that things can start to improve though! Aw, thanks  I appreciate it! I didn't realize you officially stopped, are you just playing now because of the virus or what? And if I may, how did your style change? I've dealt with depression too. If it's not clinical (definitely go see a psychiatrist), then a therapist and physical exercise will help you deal with it. Still today I fight it a bit. Once I feel depression coming, I accept it and work with it. The black dog stuff is a nice way to portrait depression. Yes, I came back because of the virus. I thought "okay, maybe a good time to play mafia". My style changed because I became way less emotional and paranoid. So, that's good  Unfortunately mine is clinical, I've been in therapy and psychiatry for years and even a hospital stay from it  What do you mean by the black dog stuff? I only came back because of the virus too, honestly I've been enjoying it though. Fun game, fun people  Even once this ends, consider coming back every once in a while! It'd be too bad if you stopped permanently. Though I guess everyone does eventually... Haha, sounds good ^^ But paranoia is so much fun! I didn't had time because I started working with theater too. And when you're in rehearsals, it's impossible to play mafia. But anyway, let's see what happens after this coronavirus stuff. Maybe I keep playing. Thanks for that  good to know I'm welcome. Know that this is reciprocal. If I may, what kind of involvement with theater? And thanks, I really do appreciate it  The more I think about it, the more your team does make sense. In some ways it makes more sense than my team. For example, I think it's weird putting you and Jockmcplop as mafia together, given how you went after Jockmcplop's joke vote so solidly and for so long. And I don't have many good reasons for Alakaslam to be mafia besides POE  But for some reason it still feels like it has to be right. I do almost everything in theater, I've been an actor, playwright, producer, you name it. But mainly, stage director. It's a second career as I don't earn almost anything with it rofl. The only reason I have to believe slam COULD be mafia is his wishy washiness, his lack of involvement in decisive moments. He being upset with shockey being lynch felt way too forced, he didn't seem to carry that much about what was happening during the day. But that's all. You know, those are good reasons. Better than mine. Fair enough.
Also, impressive! That's super cool
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On May 05 2020 14:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 14:42 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:41 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:36 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:27 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:20 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:15 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 13:55 Trfel wrote:[quote]Glad to hear! It makes sense, I'm really glad you are doing better, hopefully you can continue to recover. Mostly stress from work? Glad you made it through! I guess I'm kinda in a life crisis currently, I think I am going to go back to school and try and get a different degree. So that will be fun, more school.... Yes, I think you coached me twice, actually! Which is why my play early in the game can tend to be similar to yours (to get discussion started). I think I've improved my read accuracy significantly over the last few years, ironically the rest of my play has gotten worse over the same time, but ah well. I appreciate your willingness to help and offer advice  Dude, we learn A LOT from life crisis. You have to be strong, though. If you're resilient enough, you'll see that you're stronger than you think. And will be more able to deal with problems. May I ask what did you graduate at? Yeah, I realized we have similar playstyles  I believe I changed a bit since I stopped playing, anyway. Your style is good, PADAWAN APPROVED Unfortunately I'm not very strong  I've been dealing with quite a bit of depression these past few years, it's been making life quite difficult. Hopeful that things can start to improve though! Aw, thanks  I appreciate it! I didn't realize you officially stopped, are you just playing now because of the virus or what? And if I may, how did your style change? I've dealt with depression too. If it's not clinical (definitely go see a psychiatrist), then a therapist and physical exercise will help you deal with it. Still today I fight it a bit. Once I feel depression coming, I accept it and work with it. The black dog stuff is a nice way to portrait depression. Yes, I came back because of the virus. I thought "okay, maybe a good time to play mafia". My style changed because I became way less emotional and paranoid. So, that's good  Unfortunately mine is clinical, I've been in therapy and psychiatry for years and even a hospital stay from it  What do you mean by the black dog stuff? I only came back because of the virus too, honestly I've been enjoying it though. Fun game, fun people  Even once this ends, consider coming back every once in a while! It'd be too bad if you stopped permanently. Though I guess everyone does eventually... Haha, sounds good ^^ But paranoia is so much fun! I didn't had time because I started working with theater too. And when you're in rehearsals, it's impossible to play mafia. But anyway, let's see what happens after this coronavirus stuff. Maybe I keep playing. Thanks for that  good to know I'm welcome. Know that this is reciprocal. If I may, what kind of involvement with theater? And thanks, I really do appreciate it  The more I think about it, the more your team does make sense. In some ways it makes more sense than my team. For example, I think it's weird putting you and Jockmcplop as mafia together, given how you went after Jockmcplop's joke vote so solidly and for so long. And I don't have many good reasons for Alakaslam to be mafia besides POE  But for some reason it still feels like it has to be right. I do almost everything in theater, I've been an actor, playwright, producer, you name it. But mainly, stage director. It's a second career as I don't earn almost anything with it rofl. The only reason I have to believe slam COULD be mafia is his wishy washiness, his lack of involvement in decisive moments. He being upset with shockey being lynch felt way too forced, he didn't seem to carry that much about what was happening during the day. But that's all. You know, those are good reasons. Better than mine. Fair enough. Also, impressive! That's super cool  I suck at acting though  Haha, I bet I'd be worse ^^
And I'm sorry, I read through Jockmcplop's filter, I don't really see what you are saying. You said, day 2 he townread you when he could have scumread you? But I don't understand why that makes him town?
First, he wasn't up for lynch. I don't believe he was strongly pushed that day, though I guess I could double check this. Given that ShoCkeyy was town, there was never much risk of mafia getting lynched. And second, I was the only person who tried to push you Day 2, I wouldn't call that a viable wagon at all.
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Chezinu, can I ask what makes you read GlowingBear as town?
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On May 05 2020 15:07 Chezinu wrote: Ok, but really... how can you hate on a glowing fluffy teddy bear!?!? That's a fair point, I do likes the teddy.
Didn't you want to kill the teddy last game though?
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On May 05 2020 15:10 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 15:09 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:07 Chezinu wrote: Ok, but really... how can you hate on a glowing fluffy teddy bear!?!? That's a fair point, I do likes the teddy. Didn't you want to kill the teddy last game though? yeah, but that was a totally different teddy. How the heck do you post so fast ><
Fair enough Chezinu. May I one day see the way you see.
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Hi Jockmcplop 
Are you feeling better/have you recovered okay?
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On May 05 2020 15:14 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 15:11 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:10 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:09 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:07 Chezinu wrote: Ok, but really... how can you hate on a glowing fluffy teddy bear!?!? That's a fair point, I do likes the teddy. Didn't you want to kill the teddy last game though? yeah, but that was a totally different teddy. How the heck do you post so fast >< Fair enough Chezinu. May I one day see the way you see. I don't know. Well, I coded fully time for 2 years... stack that on gaming.. I can type decently. Oh, I am also not planning any evil schemes.. so it makes posting faster. I'm not sure that you would want to see the way that I see. There are much better ways to see. I do have a color blindness with the red,blue roles. I don't know everything. I sometimes need a Light to help guide me. Too see much clearer. Perhaps you will see far clearer than me one day. But that is to assume that I see clearer than you... That was be an assumption that I would not know since I don't see the way you see. That does make sense. And fair enough, I'd like to be able to see as you see in addition to how I see though It seems like such a fun way to view things.
@GlowingBear, no idea how you got me to get out of bed and go to my computer so I could verify something for a scumread that relies on them not being mafia, but you did, haha.
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On May 05 2020 15:19 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 15:14 Trfel wrote:Hi Jockmcplop  Are you feeling better/have you recovered okay? Yes I feel alot better thanks  Pretty exhausted cos I can't sleep at the moment but just about keeping it together lol. I'm sorry to hear about your depression. I went through that for over ten years and it still haunts me every day but we get through it. I hope you keep playing after the lockdowns are over, its always a pleasure. Glad to hear! Sorry you can't sleep, you can get through though. We always say over here, sleep is for the weak XD
Thanks, yeah depression is no fun. I'm sorry you have had to experience it And yes I will try and keep playing I think, if there are still games going. I really enjoyed that one game we had a while ago where raynpelikoneet was mafia, we worked so well together that one day where we both scumread him (day 2 I think it was?). Losing that one kinda left a bitter taste in my mouth, so I wanted to play with you again and win together. Unfortunately we just can't seem to both be town
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On May 05 2020 15:20 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 15:18 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:14 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:11 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:10 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:09 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:07 Chezinu wrote: Ok, but really... how can you hate on a glowing fluffy teddy bear!?!? That's a fair point, I do likes the teddy. Didn't you want to kill the teddy last game though? yeah, but that was a totally different teddy. How the heck do you post so fast >< Fair enough Chezinu. May I one day see the way you see. I don't know. Well, I coded fully time for 2 years... stack that on gaming.. I can type decently. Oh, I am also not planning any evil schemes.. so it makes posting faster. I'm not sure that you would want to see the way that I see. There are much better ways to see. I do have a color blindness with the red,blue roles. I don't know everything. I sometimes need a Light to help guide me. Too see much clearer. Perhaps you will see far clearer than me one day. But that is to assume that I see clearer than you... That was be an assumption that I would not know since I don't see the way you see. That does make sense. And fair enough, I'd like to be able to see as you see in addition to how I see though  It seems like such a fun way to view things. @GlowingBear, no idea how you got me to get out of bed and go to my computer so I could verify something for a scumread that relies on them not being mafia, but you did, haha. + Show Spoiler +I <3 Jesus + Show Spoiler +Seriously, makes life make sense. I know it's cliche, but true. + Show Spoiler +Same here  Glad to hear it!
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On May 05 2020 15:26 GlowingBear wrote: Jock, updated reads pls You silenced everything 
Yeah, I'll go to bed soon, but how can I go to bed when you guys are having so much fun?
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On May 05 2020 15:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 14:53 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:47 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:42 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:41 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:36 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:27 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:20 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:15 Trfel wrote:[quote]Unfortunately I'm not very strong  I've been dealing with quite a bit of depression these past few years, it's been making life quite difficult. Hopeful that things can start to improve though! Aw, thanks  I appreciate it! I didn't realize you officially stopped, are you just playing now because of the virus or what? And if I may, how did your style change? I've dealt with depression too. If it's not clinical (definitely go see a psychiatrist), then a therapist and physical exercise will help you deal with it. Still today I fight it a bit. Once I feel depression coming, I accept it and work with it. The black dog stuff is a nice way to portrait depression. Yes, I came back because of the virus. I thought "okay, maybe a good time to play mafia". My style changed because I became way less emotional and paranoid. So, that's good  Unfortunately mine is clinical, I've been in therapy and psychiatry for years and even a hospital stay from it  What do you mean by the black dog stuff? I only came back because of the virus too, honestly I've been enjoying it though. Fun game, fun people  Even once this ends, consider coming back every once in a while! It'd be too bad if you stopped permanently. Though I guess everyone does eventually... Haha, sounds good ^^ But paranoia is so much fun! I didn't had time because I started working with theater too. And when you're in rehearsals, it's impossible to play mafia. But anyway, let's see what happens after this coronavirus stuff. Maybe I keep playing. Thanks for that  good to know I'm welcome. Know that this is reciprocal. If I may, what kind of involvement with theater? And thanks, I really do appreciate it  The more I think about it, the more your team does make sense. In some ways it makes more sense than my team. For example, I think it's weird putting you and Jockmcplop as mafia together, given how you went after Jockmcplop's joke vote so solidly and for so long. And I don't have many good reasons for Alakaslam to be mafia besides POE  But for some reason it still feels like it has to be right. I do almost everything in theater, I've been an actor, playwright, producer, you name it. But mainly, stage director. It's a second career as I don't earn almost anything with it rofl. The only reason I have to believe slam COULD be mafia is his wishy washiness, his lack of involvement in decisive moments. He being upset with shockey being lynch felt way too forced, he didn't seem to carry that much about what was happening during the day. But that's all. You know, those are good reasons. Better than mine. Fair enough. Also, impressive! That's super cool  I suck at acting though  Haha, I bet I'd be worse ^^ And I'm sorry, I read through Jockmcplop's filter, I don't really see what you are saying. You said, day 2 he townread you when he could have scumread you? But I don't understand why that makes him town? First, he wasn't up for lynch. I don't believe he was strongly pushed that day, though I guess I could double check this. Given that ShoCkeyy was town, there was never much risk of mafia getting lynched. And second, I was the only person who tried to push you Day 2, I wouldn't call that a viable wagon at all. If it wasn't for Shockey being lynched, jock would be, no? That's how I remember it. Now, if this is the case, consider these assumptions: mafia!jock is getting some votes on him. mafia!jock sees that town!Trfel posted a case on town!GB. Why would mafia!jock defend town!GB when himself is piling votes? It doesn't make sense from a mafia perspective. Also, even if mafia!jock takes the path of defending me to get towncred, why didn't any other mafia agree with your case to throw suspicions on me? My answer is that every name up for the lynch was fine for mafia. Which implies jock is town. Is it fair to assume that Day 2 only really started Sunday evening PDT (when raynpelikoneet returned, Vivax voted off of raynpelikoneet, people started coming back to the thread, it was more than just me and Vivax playing the game, etc.)? Before then I'd say it's too hard to say who was going to be lynched. However, Jockmcplop defended GlowingBear before then, making this a lot harder... Here is where Jockmcplop first says he still townreads GlowingBear on Day 2.
And here is the votecount at the time:On May 02 2020 23:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Day 2 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Votes: ShoCkeyy: (1) Koshi GlowingBear: (1) Trfel raynpelikoneet: (0) AlakaslamTrfel: (0) AlakaslamNot Voting:Chezinu, ShoCkeyy, Grackaroni, Vivax, Alakaslam, Jockmcplop, raynpelikoneet, GlowingBear ShoCkeyy is set to be lynched with 1 vote. until End of Day Again, not helpful. Vivax was townreading GlowingBear at this time though, for not voting to save himself at the end of Day 1. Koshi also called GlowingBear town well before this. I'm not sure what raynpelikoneet thought.
Conclusion Two thread leaders (Koshi and Vivax) townread GlowingBear well before Jockmcplop confirmed his townread on GlowingBear. Therefore I don't believe that GlowingBear's reason to townread Jockmcplop is valid (even if GlowingBear is town).
GlowingBear, thoughts?
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On May 05 2020 15:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 15:31 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:26 GlowingBear wrote: Jock, updated reads pls You silenced everything  Yeah, I'll go to bed soon, but how can I go to bed when you guys are having so much fun? Don't worry, I'm going now It's 3:30Am here Yeesh 
Well in the morning I wouldn't mind a response to my analysis of your Jockmcplop townread. I'm probably still going to think you are mafia, but just curious to see how it changes things. If it'd get you to re-evaluate/bus Jockmcplop I wouldn't mind.
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On May 05 2020 15:36 Jockmcplop wrote: At the moment
town: Jock Grack GB
null: slam
Mafia chez koshi vivax/trfel
I'm starting to think slam is town. He's still null rather than a townread, but his tone today isn't one that I can see in his mafia meta and i've looked at all of his mafia games in the archive. He's annoyed and sounds defeated, which i didn't see at all in his meta. He's also been quick to take things personally the whole game and I don't see that much in his mafia meta either.
Can I ask why everyone is quick to TR chez? I know he has claimed again but he has claimed like three or four times different roles this game. Why do you believe him unconditionally now with no evidence when you didn't believe him before. It looks more like PR hunting to me.
In all honesty? I see no reason to lynch Chezinu now. I think there's a pretty good chance he's a role, he may not be, but there is no counterclaim. There are almost certainly two town power roles in the game, I haven't seen a game with only one (of 12-13 player size) well, ever. If Chezinu is mafia, his play is bound to be found out as soon as someone else claims, so it's not a good play to make. This means that Chezinu is very likely a town power role, and very likely town.
The clincher is that it's not town's problem, it's mafia's problem. Town can wait until there is one mafia left to worry about Chezinu, if it comes down to it. Since he's likely a role, mafia can't wait. They have to figure out how to deal with him sooner. So it's best to keep him alive 
I know, not the answer you wanted to hear, but it's the best I can do.
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