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On May 01 2020 08:09 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 07:35 Trfel wrote:On May 01 2020 05:25 Alakaslam wrote:On May 01 2020 05:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:You went from this On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear to this On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town. in a span of an hour, why the sudden change of heart? Judging from your interactions with GB you completely thought of him as town before the above post. You never really interacted with GB, you just called him homboy in a couple of posts immediately then talked about GB with other people when GB stopped posting. Then all the sudden asked for reasons why you should vote for GB. Idk but your interaction timeline just seems off about when it comes to GB, especially your voting pattern. “Slam you shit at scum, cant you see? How can you be this stupid slam?” Trash your vote then, you all ready know I dont give a cuss what you think of my alignment or anyone else for that matter, if I get lynched I get lynched. Go back to being productive and stop insulting my scum play. Alakaslam, I think you're town, but did you mean to call yourself scum here? :/ If he thinks I am scum for flailing around like this, he insults my scum play. I have a lot of off games, but in my good games as scum I am never scumread until the end of it or I just get instalynched for no reason in my complete absence. Rarely is it because I dont look townie as all get out. Then, I was scumread by FeFe!! Thanks, sorry I didn't understand what you meant before.
If that makes me mafia to you then so be it.
@Vivax, thanks for answering my questions.
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Fecalfeast, do you have any response to my suspicions of you? Specifically, you seem to throw suspicion everywhere, it feels like you are reaching for reasons to scumread everyone. Primarily early Day 1.
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@GlowingBear, why is Jockmcplop mafia?
I don't get why the Koshi vote and unvote makes him mafia. I don't get why anything else makes him mafia either. Please explain?
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On April 30 2020 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far:Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)
Low-effort/medium activityShockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me  ActiveVivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.)
KurumiTrfel
raynpelikoneetI have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:
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However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +
Fecalfeast - 0
Vivax
raynpelikoneet - 1
Vivax
Vivax - 1
GlowingBear
This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game. Also, @GlowingBear, why was this post the best post in the thread to you? I get that it was a lot of effort and made Kurumi look town to you, but I don't see your conclusions matching Kurumi's conclusions in this post. Calling it the "best post in the thread" seems like quite the stretch.
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Definitely still open for discussion but after rereading GlowingBear's filter I think GlowingBear is mafia.
Appreciate thoughts on this. Also, apologies to all for defending GlowingBear earlier if he is indeed mafia.
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For the record, Jockmcplop was joking in both of his posts. Thanks for explaining though.
Care to summarize why raynpelikoneet is mafia to you? I skimmed your filter for it again and I don't believe you ever clearly laid it out. No rush, if you want to play Diplomacy first I'll be here a few hours.
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On May 01 2020 12:11 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 08:03 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 07:59 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, who is your top scumread right now? GB, Shockeyy is up close. I'd like Shockeyy to continue his inquiry into Slam though. I didn't finish looking at EoD from a lynch derailing perspective and wagon analysis, but rayn's switch looks bad to me. I thought he was as confident as me on GB. LOL Vivax, then finish EoD because it makes no sense to keep calling me scum right now. It should be obvious to you I'm sorry, care to explain why? I'm not seeing it, what makes it so obvious?
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On May 01 2020 12:20 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 12:10 Trfel wrote:
For the record, Jockmcplop was joking in both of his posts. Thanks for explaining though.
Care to summarize why raynpelikoneet is mafia to you? I skimmed your filter for it again and I don't believe you ever clearly laid it out. No rush, if you want to play Diplomacy first I'll be here a few hours. I've finished playing diplo today, I'll stay here for like 30 minutes before going to sleep. Jock wasn't joking on both of his posts because he said himself he GENUINELY THOUGHT KOSHI WAS MAFIA because of his opening. I've already talked about rayn, but okay, I'll flesh out. I think rayn has been under the radar and not actually taking hard stances. Early day1 he said you had a thought process that made you look townie. What is so particularly townie in thinking "I'm lazy haha won't be posting much okay lol"? There's nothing townie to read into it. His read seemed forced. Then he later went on the game just talking a bit but without taking any hard stance. He was suspicious of Kurumi but didn't push his lynch. He decided to vote for jock but I couldn't find anything in his filter where he said why jock was mafia other than "jock can look very townie when he is mafia". That's not a reason to vote him. He then went under the radar and only changed his vote to sheep Koshi on a faint reason to call me mafia. He decided I wasn't a good lynch today and went against Kurumi who we know is town. it doesn't make sense, it feels rayn is just trying to survive. I thought that he might be blue because of this, I didn't really want to engage in a shitfest saying RAYN IS MAFIA WHARRGARBL. But now, thinking about it, he is most likely mafia instead of blue. Jockmcplop was joking when he said he genuinely thought Koshi was mafia. He was being sarcastic then. But oh well, if you're not scumreading him for that anymore I guess it doesn't matter.
Thanks for explaining, I appreciate it. It helps. I'll re-evaluate raynpelikoneet (I've been avoiding reading the potential night kill targets to save time).
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On May 01 2020 12:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 12:14 Trfel wrote:On May 01 2020 12:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 01 2020 08:03 Vivax wrote:On May 01 2020 07:59 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, who is your top scumread right now? GB, Shockeyy is up close. I'd like Shockeyy to continue his inquiry into Slam though. I didn't finish looking at EoD from a lynch derailing perspective and wagon analysis, but rayn's switch looks bad to me. I thought he was as confident as me on GB. LOL Vivax, then finish EoD because it makes no sense to keep calling me scum right now. It should be obvious to you I'm sorry, care to explain why? I'm not seeing it, what makes it so obvious? Why would I bother fleshing out my thoughts in the thread if I'm being lynched? Why wouldn't I try to deflect my lynch into any other target? Why wouldn't I hammer Kurumi after he came to the thread and acted so poorly against his lynched? I had an excuse to save myself I don't understand how you can't 100% see me as town there Come to think of it, why didn't you vote to save yourself? I guess it doesn't make you mafia since Kurumi flipped town but it seems so weird to not vote to save yourself, even if the alternative is your top townread. I've done that before. Like to me it almost only makes sense as mafia so you could say "look, I didn't vote to save myself!" because there's no reason as town not to vote to save yourself?
Can you explain why your reads were flopping around so much towards the deadline? You were first convinced on Jockmcplop and Alakaslam being mafia, then kinda thinking raynpelikoneet might be mafia. Then writing a half-case on raynpelikoneet, then deciding that mafia was Koshi and Jockmcplop and raynpelikoneet or Alakaslam. Seems like a few unexplained leaps.
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Okay, thanks again. I'm slightly busy now but I will take a closer look at what you have posted later tonight. Feel better soon.
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On May 01 2020 12:50 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 11:11 Trfel wrote:
Fecalfeast, do you have any response to my suspicions of you? Specifically, you seem to throw suspicion everywhere, it feels like you are reaching for reasons to scumread everyone. Primarily early Day 1. I have scum reads or at least scumleans on shockey slam gb chezinu and atm grack And i was scumming kurumi but actually can you show me where i threw suspicion everyehere? Pointing out or questioning perceived contradictions is hardly throwing suspicion Those are a lot of scum leans, no? Given that there are only three mafia in the game?
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On May 01 2020 12:20 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 12:10 Trfel wrote:
For the record, Jockmcplop was joking in both of his posts. Thanks for explaining though.
Care to summarize why raynpelikoneet is mafia to you? I skimmed your filter for it again and I don't believe you ever clearly laid it out. No rush, if you want to play Diplomacy first I'll be here a few hours. I've already talked about rayn, but okay, I'll flesh out. I think rayn has been under the radar and not actually taking hard stances. Early day1 he said you had a thought process that made you look townie. What is so particularly townie in thinking "I'm lazy haha won't be posting much okay lol"? There's nothing townie to read into it. His read seemed forced. Then he later went on the game just talking a bit but without taking any hard stance. He was suspicious of Kurumi but didn't push his lynch. He decided to vote for jock but I couldn't find anything in his filter where he said why jock was mafia other than "jock can look very townie when he is mafia". That's not a reason to vote him.He then went under the radar and only changed his vote to sheep Koshi on a faint reason to call me mafia. He decided I wasn't a good lynch today and went against Kurumi who we know is town. it doesn't make sense, it feels rayn is just trying to survive. I thought that he might be blue because of this, I didn't really want to engage in a shitfest saying RAYN IS MAFIA WHARRGARBL. But now, thinking about it, he is most likely mafia instead of blue. To clarify the bolded red section, raynpelikoneet did vote for Jockmcplop over the vote/unvote thing on Koshi. The same reason you were scumreading Jockmcplop.
I'm sorry, maybe I'm just being blind here but I'm not really seeing it. I had a longer post written, I can discuss it further if you want, but the short of it is to me it felt like raynpelikoneet cared about who got lynched while if he was mafia, he could have justified parking his vote a lot of places (assuming you are town, since this is your argument, you being one of them). I'm far from 100% on raynpelikoneet being town, I just don't really see the reasons to scumread him that you've shared.
The rest of what GlowingBear has posted makes a lot more sense to me. I'll likely be around for a while if anyone wants to talk about anything, if I get bored though I may fall asleep.
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On May 01 2020 13:52 Alakaslam wrote:
I am now pretty sure Rayn is mafia. Will shower then return. You mean, because of how he voted for ShoCkeyy? Or what?
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On May 01 2020 13:56 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 13:02 Trfel wrote:On May 01 2020 12:50 Fecalfeast wrote:On May 01 2020 11:11 Trfel wrote:
Fecalfeast, do you have any response to my suspicions of you? Specifically, you seem to throw suspicion everywhere, it feels like you are reaching for reasons to scumread everyone. Primarily early Day 1. I have scum reads or at least scumleans on shockey slam gb chezinu and atm grack And i was scumming kurumi but actually can you show me where i threw suspicion everyehere? Pointing out or questioning perceived contradictions is hardly throwing suspicion Those are a lot of scum leans, no? Given that there are only three mafia in the game? what are you even saying? I'm only allowed 3 suspects maximum?? No, I just find it a bit strange and slightly suspect. But you've answered my question, instead of shying away from it you're standing by it confidently but not in a brazen/brash manner. So thank you.
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On May 01 2020 14:10 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 13:54 Trfel wrote:On May 01 2020 13:52 Alakaslam wrote:
I am now pretty sure Rayn is mafia. Will shower then return. You mean, because of how he voted for ShoCkeyy? Or what? I didnt know he did that. No that is not why. Sorry, I took a quick glance in your filter and that was my impression about your read on raynpelikoneet.
Why then?
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I should be asleep.... Sleepy Trfel....
@Jockmcplop, hope you are doing okay. My read on Koshi isn't an associative read with ShoCkeyy necessarily. Of course if ShoCkeyy is mafia then it looks a lot worse for Koshi, but as it is, it feels like Koshi is very inconsistent with his scumread on ShoCkeyy. Like it's a fake read or he doesn't care about it. Not a super amazing 100% point but I still think it has some merit.
I'll take another look at the Fecalfeast thing. Also feels like everyone except for me is scumreading raynpelikoneet, something about that doesn't feel quite right.
Hopefully I'll be asleep again soon but who knows.
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On May 01 2020 20:12 Jockmcplop wrote:the two koshi posts, although I don't need to, I feel I should explain. The first post was a joke with a joke vote. You probably think that's stupid, fair enough. The second post was sarcasm, as trfel pointed out. There was no way I could hard scumread koshi from what he had posted so far in the thread, i was being sarcastic. read this again carefully from the perspective that I am being sarcastic: Show nested quote +Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. I get now that responding to people not understanding a joke vote with sarcasm that people might also not understand isn't smart. I take responsibility for that. @Vivax
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On May 01 2020 03:44 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nice that you decided to magically appear just now. I waited until my lynch was more or less assured, I asked for a replacement 11 and half hours ago because I couldn't muster any interest to play this game. So to make sure you don't make me suffer another fucking cycle I decided to come and say hi. You mad? Also @Vivax
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Oh boy  That's not a good sign
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