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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 05 2020 19:52 GMT
#1478
On May 06 2020 04:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2020 15:35 Trfel wrote:
On May 05 2020 15:02 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 05 2020 14:53 Trfel wrote:
On May 05 2020 14:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 05 2020 14:42 Trfel wrote:
On May 05 2020 14:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 05 2020 14:36 Trfel wrote:
On May 05 2020 14:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 05 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Unfortunately mine is clinical, I've been in therapy and psychiatry for years and even a hospital stay from it What do you mean by the black dog stuff?

I only came back because of the virus too, honestly I've been enjoying it though. Fun game, fun people Even once this ends, consider coming back every once in a while! It'd be too bad if you stopped permanently. Though I guess everyone does eventually...

Haha, sounds good ^^ But paranoia is so much fun!


I didn't had time because I started working with theater too. And when you're in rehearsals, it's impossible to play mafia. But anyway, let's see what happens after this coronavirus stuff. Maybe I keep playing. Thanks for that good to know I'm welcome. Know that this is reciprocal.
If I may, what kind of involvement with theater? And thanks, I really do appreciate it

The more I think about it, the more your team does make sense. In some ways it makes more sense than my team. For example, I think it's weird putting you and Jockmcplop as mafia together, given how you went after Jockmcplop's joke vote so solidly and for so long. And I don't have many good reasons for Alakaslam to be mafia besides POE But for some reason it still feels like it has to be right.


I do almost everything in theater, I've been an actor, playwright, producer, you name it. But mainly, stage director. It's a second career as I don't earn almost anything with it rofl.

The only reason I have to believe slam COULD be mafia is his wishy washiness, his lack of involvement in decisive moments. He being upset with shockey being lynch felt way too forced, he didn't seem to carry that much about what was happening during the day. But that's all.
You know, those are good reasons. Better than mine. Fair enough.

Also, impressive! That's super cool


I suck at acting though
Haha, I bet I'd be worse ^^

And I'm sorry, I read through Jockmcplop's filter, I don't really see what you are saying. You said, day 2 he townread you when he could have scumread you? But I don't understand why that makes him town?

First, he wasn't up for lynch. I don't believe he was strongly pushed that day, though I guess I could double check this. Given that ShoCkeyy was town, there was never much risk of mafia getting lynched. And second, I was the only person who tried to push you Day 2, I wouldn't call that a viable wagon at all.


If it wasn't for Shockey being lynched, jock would be, no? That's how I remember it.

Now, if this is the case, consider these assumptions:
mafia!jock is getting some votes on him. mafia!jock sees that town!Trfel posted a case on town!GB.
Why would mafia!jock defend town!GB when himself is piling votes? It doesn't make sense from a mafia perspective. Also, even if mafia!jock takes the path of defending me to get towncred, why didn't any other mafia agree with your case to throw suspicions on me?
My answer is that every name up for the lynch was fine for mafia. Which implies jock is town.
Is it fair to assume that Day 2 only really started Sunday evening PDT (when raynpelikoneet returned, Vivax voted off of raynpelikoneet, people started coming back to the thread, it was more than just me and Vivax playing the game, etc.)? Before then I'd say it's too hard to say who was going to be lynched. However, Jockmcplop defended GlowingBear before then, making this a lot harder... Here is where Jockmcplop first says he still townreads GlowingBear on Day 2.

And here is the votecount at the time:
On May 02 2020 23:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Day 2 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT
Votes:

ShoCkeyy: (1) Koshi
GlowingBear: (1) Trfel
raynpelikoneet: (0) Alakaslam
Trfel: (0) Alakaslam

Not Voting:
Chezinu, ShoCkeyy, Grackaroni, Vivax, Alakaslam, Jockmcplop, raynpelikoneet, GlowingBear


ShoCkeyy is set to be lynched with 1 vote.

until End of Day

Again, not helpful. Vivax was townreading GlowingBear at this time though, for not voting to save himself at the end of Day 1. Koshi also called GlowingBear town well before this. I'm not sure what raynpelikoneet thought.

Conclusion
Two thread leaders (Koshi and Vivax) townread GlowingBear well before Jockmcplop confirmed his townread on GlowingBear. Therefore I don't believe that GlowingBear's reason to townread Jockmcplop is valid (even if GlowingBear is town).

GlowingBear, thoughts?


That's not the impression I had. Are you sure this was the current votes in thread and no vote was cast on him?
There were no votes in between the vote count and the post I linked. We are talking about Day 2, right?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 05 2020 23:04 GMT
#1487
@GlowingBear, why Vivax over Koshi? IMO voting for your #2 scumread isn't as bad as voting for a townread in MYLO.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 05 2020 23:06 GMT
#1488
Also I should say, I'm not going to be here the last hour of the day. I have a meeting that ends exactly on the deadline. Maybe it'll end a few minutes early, but I'm not counting on it.

Please please please, if you're going to change your vote or do something stupid, do it before then? Cool?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 05 2020 23:35 GMT
#1491
Yes, I read what Vivax said. I don't mind it because I'm pretty confident Jockmcplop is mafia here though.

But Koshi admitted to lynching a townread. Why isn't that worse? I'm not saying what Vivax said isn't bad, but Koshi's statement is worse, no?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 05 2020 23:40 GMT
#1493
On May 06 2020 08:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2020 08:35 Trfel wrote:
Yes, I read what Vivax said. I don't mind it because I'm pretty confident Jockmcplop is mafia here though.

But Koshi admitted to lynching a townread. Why isn't that worse? I'm not saying what Vivax said isn't bad, but Koshi's statement is worse, no?


Although I think Koshi is mafia because of what him said, at least I can understand a townie self doubting himself and voting accordingly thread sentiment - what I can't understand is having a top scumread and not going against it in MYLO.
Huh, interesting. I guess I never thought about it like that.

Have you had a chance to re-evaluate Jockmcplop yet? Not trying to rush you, just wondering.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 00:21 GMT
#1498
On May 06 2020 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2020 08:40 Trfel wrote:
On May 06 2020 08:38 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 06 2020 08:35 Trfel wrote:
Yes, I read what Vivax said. I don't mind it because I'm pretty confident Jockmcplop is mafia here though.

But Koshi admitted to lynching a townread. Why isn't that worse? I'm not saying what Vivax said isn't bad, but Koshi's statement is worse, no?


Although I think Koshi is mafia because of what him said, at least I can understand a townie self doubting himself and voting accordingly thread sentiment - what I can't understand is having a top scumread and not going against it in MYLO.
Huh, interesting. I guess I never thought about it like that.

Have you had a chance to re-evaluate Jockmcplop yet? Not trying to rush you, just wondering.


No, I'll still give it a thought. I'm still working but do you believe a team of Koshi/Vivax/Jock is possible?
Yeah, I suppose it's possible for sure. I don't think those players have talked about each other much at all.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 00:50 GMT
#1504
On May 06 2020 09:48 Chezinu wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Vivax
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 00:54 GMT
#1505
Chezinu, are you going to be back tomorrow before the deadline?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 01:06 GMT
#1506
Grackaroni, we need you...
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 01:18 GMT
#1507
So the game comes down to whether Grackaroni (who will never lynch Vivax) or Jockmcplop (who will definitely lynch Vivax) comes first. The suspense...
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 02:10 GMT
#1509
So much stress, tension...

Chezinu, if you do return, it's critically important that you answer if you will be here tomorrow or not. There's some information I would very much like to tell you.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 02:13 GMT
#1511
On May 06 2020 11:10 Chezinu wrote:
I'm still here
Is there any way I can convince you to switch back to Jockmcplop?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 02:20 GMT
#1512
On May 06 2020 11:13 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2020 11:10 Chezinu wrote:
I'm still here
Is there any way I can convince you to switch back to Jockmcplop?
I'll be here on and off for the next few hours, I'll be taking a sauna with my dad (shout-out to raynpelikoneet!).

Look at the associations between the GlowingBear, Jockmcplop, and Alakaslam team. Notice how Alakaslam is trying to vote anyone other than Jockmcplop, despite having Jockmcplop in his POE list. See how GlowingBear townread Jockmcplop Day 2 despite having no reason to do so (I think a page or two ago I showed why his reasons are invalid). Note Jockmcplop's lack of involvement and desire to play this game. He's a very strong town player, and I know he'd have more pushback against his lynch and throughout the game than this.

As it is now, the lynch comes down to a race. Grackaroni said he won't ever lynch Vivax, Jockmcplop will definitely vote to save himself. I'd rather seal the lynch of Jockmcplop and worry about the rest later.

In the end it's your decision, but if you've made up your mind I'd appreciate it if you let me know is all. Otherwise I'm highly confident that Jockmcplop is mafia and I believe he should be the lynch today.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 02:39 GMT
#1515
On May 06 2020 11:36 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2020 11:13 Trfel wrote:
On May 06 2020 11:10 Chezinu wrote:
I'm still here
Is there any way I can convince you to switch back to Jockmcplop?

I think paying me is against the rules.

Do you fine it weird that the top mafia suspects are voting with you?
In my opinion the top mafia suspects are GlowingBear, Alakaslam, and Jockmcplop. So no, I find everything very normal. I see Vivax and Koshi as almost certainly town.

I'd pay you if I could
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 03:10 GMT
#1519
On May 06 2020 12:04 Chezinu wrote:
ok, confession time...

Guys, I did not role check Grack. I just said he was town with a question mark because he acknowledge my role Day 1 and the mafia didn't kill me.
Chezinu I really thought you were town
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 03:23 GMT
#1520
But that means there's a blue who hasn't claimed, why?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 03:24 GMT
#1521
Chezinu, I won't lynch you if you vote for Jockmcplop
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 03:42 GMT
#1523
On May 06 2020 12:30 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2020 12:24 Trfel wrote:
Chezinu, I won't lynch you if you vote for Jockmcplop

Do you hold this kind of power?
The power of my vote? That's the only power I hold...
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 04:01 GMT
#1526
On May 06 2020 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2020 11:20 Trfel wrote:
On May 06 2020 11:13 Trfel wrote:
On May 06 2020 11:10 Chezinu wrote:
I'm still here
Is there any way I can convince you to switch back to Jockmcplop?
I'll be here on and off for the next few hours, I'll be taking a sauna with my dad (shout-out to raynpelikoneet!).

Look at the associations between the GlowingBear, Jockmcplop, and Alakaslam team. Notice how Alakaslam is trying to vote anyone other than Jockmcplop, despite having Jockmcplop in his POE list. See how GlowingBear townread Jockmcplop Day 2 despite having no reason to do so (I think a page or two ago I showed why his reasons are invalid). Note Jockmcplop's lack of involvement and desire to play this game. He's a very strong town player, and I know he'd have more pushback against his lynch and throughout the game than this.

As it is now, the lynch comes down to a race. Grackaroni said he won't ever lynch Vivax, Jockmcplop will definitely vote to save himself. I'd rather seal the lynch of Jockmcplop and worry about the rest later.

In the end it's your decision, but if you've made up your mind I'd appreciate it if you let me know is all. Otherwise I'm highly confident that Jockmcplop is mafia and I believe he should be the lynch today.


This proves all your reads are basically associative.
They're not, but I'm not sure (1) why it matters and (2) what makes you say that?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
May 06 2020 04:15 GMT
#1530
On May 06 2020 13:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2020 13:01 Trfel wrote:
On May 06 2020 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 06 2020 11:20 Trfel wrote:
On May 06 2020 11:13 Trfel wrote:
On May 06 2020 11:10 Chezinu wrote:
I'm still here
Is there any way I can convince you to switch back to Jockmcplop?
I'll be here on and off for the next few hours, I'll be taking a sauna with my dad (shout-out to raynpelikoneet!).

Look at the associations between the GlowingBear, Jockmcplop, and Alakaslam team. Notice how Alakaslam is trying to vote anyone other than Jockmcplop, despite having Jockmcplop in his POE list. See how GlowingBear townread Jockmcplop Day 2 despite having no reason to do so (I think a page or two ago I showed why his reasons are invalid). Note Jockmcplop's lack of involvement and desire to play this game. He's a very strong town player, and I know he'd have more pushback against his lynch and throughout the game than this.

As it is now, the lynch comes down to a race. Grackaroni said he won't ever lynch Vivax, Jockmcplop will definitely vote to save himself. I'd rather seal the lynch of Jockmcplop and worry about the rest later.

In the end it's your decision, but if you've made up your mind I'd appreciate it if you let me know is all. Otherwise I'm highly confident that Jockmcplop is mafia and I believe he should be the lynch today.


This proves all your reads are basically associative.
They're not, but I'm not sure (1) why it matters and (2) what makes you say that?


Your reads resides in jock being mafia, then I'm mafia for that, then whoever I read as scum is town.
I strongly believe that Jockmcplop is mafia.

If you re-evaluate Jockmcplop, I will re-evaluate you. Deal?
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