[M][N] Holy Guardians - Chapter 2 - Page 6

7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.

On April 10 2020 02:23 Trfel wrote:
Purely because of Chezinu's vote on Jockmcplop?

Maybe I'm tinfoiling too much, but the more I think about it, the more I think I could see it coming from mafia. Still a useful point but yeah, Chezinu is so unpredictable...

On April 08 2020 02:31 Hapahauli wrote:
My thoughts on Chez:

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558350-holy-guardians-chapter-2?page=22#439
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558350-holy-guardians-chapter-2?page=23#441
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558350-holy-guardians-chapter-2?page=23#442

On April 10 2020 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He seems to a lot of doubt about his reads, it's like he is "clueless" to some level which doesn't seem to line up with his games as mafia where he actually makes cases and shit.

On April 07 2020 11:14 Hapahauli wrote:
Like, I get that Chez is random, but I don't think he's cruel or mean enough to his scum teammates to vote him and abandon him.

Rayn reads strongly town to me, both based on his filter and Jocks' filter. This is for three reasons:
1) Most players, and especially forum players, have some desire to save-face. Pride in a purest sense. Rayn set up for this lynch with reckless abandon with no attempt whatsoever to save face. His posting literally sets up to humiliate himself after the flip. Mafia Rayn would know my alignment, as well as Jock's alignment. He is a sophisticated, smart, and experienced player enough to evaluate that there was a pretty high chance of Jock dying.
2) I really like Rayn's posting right after the flip. Again, a basic desire to save face. The torment of "oh god maybe I was wrong , to *BZZZZT DOES NOT COMPUTE RAWEFWHFJ*, to full on 'jet fuel does not melt steel beams" is a very townie thought process for someone who was wrong, and who's pride will not allow him to admit that he is wrong.
3) Reading Jock's filter transparently, there is a very clear attempt by Jock to white-knight Rayn early in the game:


This post screams of "Jock is taking a hard and safe stance because he knows that Rayn is town". Given Jock's later posts, again, I am taking this post at face value, rather than weighing it for mindgames.

On April 06 2020 15:23 Trfel wrote:
Voting to make sure I don't forget. Will try to be back to catch up for the deadline but no guarantees, I'm horrid at waking up in the morning

Problem is, I don't know who to vote for It honestly feels like there is just not enough information for me to confidently scumread anyone. Jockmcplop is my best guess, though we may have to settle for a policy lynch. Gosh, I don't know

##vote Jockmcplop

May be around for a bit but likely going to sleep soon.

On April 11 2020 02:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed...

So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia.

On April 11 2020 02:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Hap I did consider the bolded part are you sure you actually read through the thread? the lack of reading is a big tell... Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed... Notice how Rayn who read me town, and I read town back had at least an upper hand on the game against mafia if it came down to 2v1. So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia.