EPTOn March 30 2020 01:12 Rels wrote:
Like to those plays? I don't see it in your last game. Even in your big case that game, you're still using a language that match what I would expect from you:
I'm not sure what you are meaning by quoting the previous game here. Can you show more clearly what you are trying to point out?Show nested quote +
On March 28 2020 02:53 Trfel wrote:
Furthermore, desperate times call for desperate measures. I've been scumread SO MUCH for uncertainty and waffling that I'm trying to adjust my play to include more certainty and stronger pushes.
On March 28 2020 02:50 Rels wrote:
Trfel I'm very sorry if you're town. Because I'm going to say another thing that I find scummy about you, and I don't want you to feel bad if you're town. I know I could be bias confirming ...
The way you're talking about your scumreads is so sure, when I thought you were a very doubtful person. So that's something that makes me think you're scum too.
Yeah, I used to be more like that, over the past few years things have changed. That's actually why rsoultin voted to kill me the past few games and I flipped town in both of them.Trfel I'm very sorry if you're town. Because I'm going to say another thing that I find scummy about you, and I don't want you to feel bad if you're town. I know I could be bias confirming ...
The way you're talking about your scumreads is so sure, when I thought you were a very doubtful person. So that's something that makes me think you're scum too.
Furthermore, desperate times call for desperate measures. I've been scumread SO MUCH for uncertainty and waffling that I'm trying to adjust my play to include more certainty and stronger pushes.
Like to those plays? I don't see it in your last game. Even in your big case that game, you're still using a language that match what I would expect from you:
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On July 05 2019 17:08 Trfel wrote:
raynpelikoneet
- Easy townreads early on that don't make sense (Grackaroni, Conversion)
+ Show Spoiler [Analysis] +Yeah yeah, I know, I'm one to talk, with my Eversince read and all. If that's really an issue for you let me know and I can explain it, I like to think we're all past that now though.
On Grackaroni:On July 02 2019 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Raynpelikoneet's initial town lean on Grackaroni. And here is his explanation:
Grack might be town.On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:And here is the post in question:
I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that.On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:To me this doesn't show thought process at all, raynpelikoneet's explanation really doesn't make sense here. Grackaroni stated two extremely obvious points, and it took minimal effort, and could easily be done by mafia. He didn't even draw any conclusions from this.
Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old.
I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take.
Later, raynpelikoneet posts a further townread of Grackaroni:On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Raynpelikoneet's reasons for this:
well i think grack officially goes to town pool now.On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Grackaroni's posts in question:
When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense.On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?
Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:However, raynpelikoneet himself even posted reasons to doubt this reasoning:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?
Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?
can you expand on this?
He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing.
In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me.On July 03 2019 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:In addition to the fact that it's easily explained. Grackaroni didn't even draw any conclusios from this, he just called it "very strange." To be honest, I don't see a ton of thought process or follow-up from Grackaroni in these posts, which is how raynpelikoneet characterized them. And I don't think most other players did either. So where did raynpelikoneet's townread come from? It feels like too much information, in this case, truly knowing that Grackaroni is town and letting that affect his read.Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?
Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?
can you expand on this?
He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing.
In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me.
but last game you did that as town in his mind right?
On Conversion:
Raynpelikoneet's first post implying a townread of Conversion:On July 02 2019 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Conversion's posts relevant to this:
Hi conversion, seems like we share a lot of things and feelings. Are you me?
On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townreadOn July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry onOn July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
I'm mafia
AMA
I think Eversince is town, discuss?
Why do you think I'm town?
I don’t like this post. ickOn July 02 2019 07:50 Conversion wrote:This is at least somewhat understandable, though really Conversion only shared one thought. Later, raynpelikoneet posts this:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:Care to say why?On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townreadOn July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry onOn July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
I'm mafia
AMA
I think Eversince is town, discuss?
Why do you think I'm town?
I don’t like this post. ick
too feel good-y for my condensed ball of rage and hatred
also 4 year old meta seems like a reach to have a swing towards a read in any direction that early instead of something to pocket and observe for lateOn July 02 2019 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:You can look here for the specific posts, it's a little long; but for a brief summary, Conversion's posts in question are pushing onto Eversince. Seems to be a townread simply for also scumreading Eversince. You can look at this exchange yourself, it starts on page 11, I just really feel (again) like this is a weak townread that doesn't have justification to back it up.
Yeah conversion easily town this game. - Raynpelikoneet didn't care about the Day 1 lynch, between his townread and his scumread
+ Show Spoiler [Analysis] +Honestly I think this is probably the strongest point I have. From raynpelikoneet's perspective, the lynch in the last eight minutes was his townread (Conversion) against his strong scumread (Eversince). Posts in the thread in the last eight minutes of Day 1, making it clear that shenanigans were incoming:On July 04 2019 04:24 Pandain wrote:
I'm strongly for a Conv lynch (if Grack won't get lynched) just because I have town reads on everyone except Grack and him.
Jock is way too active. Rayn is way too active. HF could be scum but seems townie.
Trfel is playing like his town games. Eywa was really townie with his exhcnage with me.
Who else wants to lynch Conv (or grack)On July 04 2019 04:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Pandain switch to conversion with meOn July 04 2019 04:26 Pandain wrote:
I switched.
Who else wants to join?On July 04 2019 04:27 Pandain wrote:So raynpelikoneet was present, and if he was at all reading, knew that shenanigans were coming and that Conversion being lynched was at least a possiblity. During these last eight minutes, here are raynpelikoneet's posts:
If ES and Trfel switch ES is saved
Grack vote convOn July 04 2019 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I get that i am probably overreacting, i just hate when someone is for example called out for lying and they say "but i just did it because the sky is red" and people go woaaah must be town, nothing wrong with that, look they gave an EXPLANATION, when i n fact the whole explanation doesn't make any fucking sense at all.On July 04 2019 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:He's continuing to argue and explain himself. He's only minimally pushing Eversince here, he's not saying anything about Conversion, he's not getting upset, he seems very calm and relaxed. In fact, it doesn't feel like raynpelikoneet is invested or cares about the lynch at all.Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:23 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote:On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:@Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince?
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.)
Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment.
She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment.
I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't.
That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player.
that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players.
Even I think this point is a stretch my dude. I've seen plenty of people say that.
I could possibly believe her if she didnt try to prove her oiint with something that doesnt exist. Thats why i think she is making shit up on the fly.
I know I made a similar point against Holyflare in my case on him, but that was a bad case. There the point was bad, because in that game Holyflare made several posts to Eversince, calling her mafia, in the same time window. The argument against Holyflare was that the posts were addressed to Eversince instead of the thread, which is weak. And even still Holyflare made a post to the threaad in response to the shenanigans:On July 04 2019 04:29 Holyflare wrote:Yet raynpelikoneet did none of this. He did not care about the lynch.Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:28 Pandain wrote:
HF no idea why you're talking when you're never gonna change your mind in a million years
Because I know you tools will do some stupid shit and she won't get lynched. - raynpelikoneet is mad at Pandain for shooting Grackaroni, a player who he highly scumread
+ Show Spoiler [Analysis] +Through Night 1, raynpelikoneet believed that Eversince and Grackaroni were the two mafia. I will provide several quotes about this, for emphasis:On July 04 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ES + Grackaroni mafia pretty much.On July 05 2019 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Aside from ES you should kill Grack. He made the post on me being mafia, i can understand you not agreeing with me here or even thinking it's a good post. Just read it again. It doesn't make sense i am sorry i can't explain it further. Then there is the post on Conversion i challenged at eod, the reasons he says conv is mafia for happened when he read conv town, middle point of the post is fluff that doesnt make anyone anything and the the rest is "rayn and conversion are mfia because other people i have better feelings on". Me + Conversion were his top town reads!!!!!! Who did what? He never goes into anything like who actually did something and what makes them town. He just throws out a narrative and sticks shit with it, conversion up to lynch and me to throw distrust on.
Sorry if not clear, but that's what i think.On July 05 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kill ES, kill Grack, profit.On July 05 2019 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:And here is raynpelikoneet's reaction to End of Night 1, seeing Holyflare and Grackaroni flip town:
Lynch ES, lynch Grack. If either of them are town then idk, maybe Pandain?
I have a hard time seeing anyone else as mafia. Maybe maybe maybe Eywa but that reasoning i have at the back of my head is fucked up and you will have to figure out yourself. Eywa is not mafia though.On July 05 2019 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck youOn July 05 2019 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vigi what`?On July 05 2019 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:It doesn't make sense for raynpelikoneet to be mad here. He was highly suspecting Grackaroni, he was going to lynch Grackaroni after Eversince anyway. One of his scumreads still died, objectively it wasn't a bad shot. Raynpelikoneet has no reason to be mad about this, as he can still go and lynch Eversince (his other scumread) and then find out who the last mafia (assuming Eversince is mafia) is, the vigilante shot didn't really change much of anything.
Why no shot on ES?
Why in the hell?
Except raynpelikoneet is mad about it anyway. This doesn't make sense from what his perspective should be.
As for meta... Which games of mine are you reading? I don't believe the Mafia Database has been updated for quite some time. I recommend reading games more recent than three years ago or so... From End of the World Party Mafia, where I was the Town Doctor and got lynched Day 1, rsoultin's posts (ok it was gonna be posts but I deleted one of them and I'm too lazy to find it again, it's nested in there anyway):
On March 05 2019 05:04 rsoultin wrote:
ftr the truffle waffle is not usually dependent on other wagons unless my memory has really gone to shit
Where rsoultin scumread me for not waffling as I used to.Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 05:01 rsoultin wrote:
yeah it's mostly just him doing whatever the fuck and pointing out some things i agreed with at the time + damdy is usually pretty good at reading him and thinks he's town (though i think his read on him gets better later?)
On March 05 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:51 rsoultin wrote:
:/ you feel off this game to me. there was a glimmer of truffledom and now it's gone again. you're not doing the truffle waffle
It's not my choice of targets? I can choose between [UoN]Sentinel and Palmar, I'm confident I much prefer [UoN]Sentinel, no need to waffle. If I was the mayor myself I'd probably go with Fecalfeast or maybe sicklucker. You're townreading Fecalfeast off of tone, right?On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote:
Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town.
##Mayor Palmar
Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town.
##Mayor Palmar
:/ you feel off this game to me. there was a glimmer of truffledom and now it's gone again. you're not doing the truffle waffle
yeah it's mostly just him doing whatever the fuck and pointing out some things i agreed with at the time + damdy is usually pretty good at reading him and thinks he's town (though i think his read on him gets better later?)
ftr the truffle waffle is not usually dependent on other wagons unless my memory has really gone to shit
In fact, while I'm there, here's a link to my filter from that game if you haven't already read it.
