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On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
It's not too difficult to understand. I still think the points on Sentinel are apt, he's done nothing but flounder in the thread. What does that make his alignment? Pretty undertermined at this point in truth, unfortunately.
Psychologically, and rather egotistically, players are more drawn to seeing their name typed in the thread and reacting to those posts. If you just acknowledge the basic tenets of a mafia player (as I outlined) and extrapolate that all townies should be looking out for that behaviour specifically (because really, that's how you find mafia in every game) then Sentinel should have acknowledged Kelsier's stances on himself.
If Sentinel is town, then he should see Kelsier say that the lynch on him is bad but then totally 180 on himself and meekly support it as the best lynch. That is a bad look for Kelsier, if Sentinel is town, because he is lynch bait and Kelsier is jumping on him.
Why specifically did I call out Sentinel for it? Mostly for the above, a bit for reaction fishing from other people and also a tad in hopes Kelsier would react (although I think he might of gone to sleep at this point).
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
Sentinel doesn't really understand why I said it so that leaves me with either:
Sentinel is not critically thinking about the game in any way, shape or form as a townie.
OR
Sentinel is mafia and doesn't subconsciously put together the things that naturally come to a townie.
I'm hesitant to say it's the latter but we'll see. Kelsier is a great vote at least.
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Hf trying to take over the thread and railroad without letting anyone else have fun.
Forgot why this forum died 
I'll afk till one of us is gone
Vote : holyflare
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What have I done that's railroaded the thread? I just simply made a case.
If you have some kind of out of game related problem with me then I'm sorry if I did anything to offend, I'm just here to play mafia. I don't plan on commandeering the thread.
If you're mafia then just carry on I guess. Ad hominems usually sway me.
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Nooo
I do not want to do this, but Holyflare has made me by taking over the thread and removing my fun glands.
free will is an illusion
I am but a minion, I can't fight it anymore...
##vote KelsierSC
I am sorry, I am compelled
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also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
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First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
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On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia?
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On March 26 2020 19:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty. So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia?
You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen.
Got no time for you
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So convince me you're town KelsierSC
I'm basically a benevolent butterfly, not aggressive or bullying at all. Very easy to deal with.
All around a nice chap.
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Let's keep it simple? Sent's first post was a joke about the opening post, possibly a result of him staring at it not knowing what to write. Then he became uncooperative and generally didn't look like he was having fun, but rather resorting to mimicking a zero-fucks attitude to provoke too-scummy-to-be-scum theories.
I like the wagon. We don't have to bite our teeth out to convince Kelsier.
##Vote: Sent
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On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote:
and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game. Mafia have three main objectives: - Blend
- Sew discontent
- Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:
1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny. Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible. Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway". Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons. Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer
Coughing Boomer
American Doctor
8x Healthy Boomer fixed This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting. Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least. you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts? lul x2 Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read. Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
This is a sexy case
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On March 26 2020 14:05 Holyflare wrote:
Let me ask you this follow up question, Rels. If I were indeed pushing Sentinel as a "reaction" and I didn't think my case was actually strong, why would I ever answer your question of whether I believed in it and debase the whole thing? If I answer, "No, I do not think it is strong" then a mafia Sentinel would have nothing to fear whatsoever and anything I hoped to achieve would be pointless.
Why should I be totally transparent to the detriment of anything I achieve in that case?
I totally understand this from your point of view. There is a disconnect there, between me trying to see your thinking, and you trying to do whatever objective you have. But too often, you hide behind this to do your thing as mafia, and I don't want you to have this excuse. So I'm doing my best to make you play straight, because that way you can't hide behind it as scum.
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On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
of course it's not a slam dunk case, but I disagree that it's bullshit. Personnally I was convinced by it, and apparently I'm not the only one. So please if you're town, ignore it and go on to find scum.
Do you really think HF is scum, or is it just an angry reaction?
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On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote:
also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
What the shit? Why did you just auto include myself and trfel?
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On March 26 2020 21:49 Vivax wrote:
Let's keep it simple? Sent's first post was a joke about the opening post, possibly a result of him staring at it not knowing what to write. Then he became uncooperative and generally didn't look like he was having fun, but rather resorting to mimicking a zero-fucks attitude to provoke too-scummy-to-be-scum theories.
I like the wagon. We don't have to bite our teeth out to convince Kelsier.
##Vote: Sent
This is a fine vote as well.
Honestly I'd kill any of the 4 I mentioned.
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Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game....
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On March 26 2020 22:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote:
also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over. What the shit? Why did you just auto include myself and trfel?
You wanna go huh?
Think you're a tough guy huh?
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I have upgraded shockeyy to definitely mafia.
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On March 26 2020 22:58 Palmar wrote:
I have upgraded shockeyy to definitely mafia.
Feel free to explain.
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EPT
