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On July 02 2019 15:43 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 15:38 Pandain wrote:On July 02 2019 15:34 Eversince wrote:
Ok, but giving townread to Truffles for engaging and dropping me is like bleh. This is not why I'm giving a townread to Trfels. I'm giving a townread because I didn't think it was likely for a mafia to make a strong town read so early in the game. Not for anything to do with engagement or activity. Oh wait! I think I get this now. You don't think m!Truffles try to buddy me so early for no reason? I'm active, but that doesn't mean much, I'm doing my usual self, so m!Truffles never just throws himself off a radio tower here? Null on me because of previous?
Maybe. You're probably right it's not that strong an argument.
And yeah null on you because if you were mafia, you would have an extremely strong incentive to try and mimic your past town play and post alot.
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No Pand, that actually makes lots of sense and makes me feel better about you!
While your here have thoughts on everyone else? How about my Conv point?
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On July 02 2019 15:39 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote:
But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things. Can you give some examples of this that happened lately? Actually no. I was reference a point that anyone mafia in that position would do that. I could go filter Gracks past games but that seems real petty!
If you did filter them you'd find that last game grack bussed his teammate to death d1 and another one on n2. Which is why i was wondering where you got that sentiment. I dont really understand whhat yourw saying here and how that relates to whatever grack has or hasnt done this game?
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Conf is blah but I think Grack was way worse. Grack actually played an extremely strong two last town games, but all he has done this game is
On July 02 2019 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia
AMA Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago? Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on  I think Eversince is town, discuss? Why do you think I'm town? Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread I don’t like this post. ick Care to say why? ICK. (sorry)
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On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old.
I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take.
Make this weak-ass post. I think he's smart enough to know that a 4 year gap is enough to make any meta reads useless. I also think the Rayn mention is weak.
There's also absolutely no care-free nature or light posting which all his last games have had. It's not particuarly alignment indicative since in his last mafia game he was trolling too. But it's weird.
Conf meanwhile is usually semi-inactive and doesn't post much. One "bleh" post isn't that significant.
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On July 02 2019 16:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 15:39 Eversince wrote:On July 02 2019 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote:
But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things. Can you give some examples of this that happened lately? Actually no. I was reference a point that anyone mafia in that position would do that. I could go filter Gracks past games but that seems real petty! If you did filter them you'd find that last game grack bussed his teammate to death d1 and another one on n2. Which is why i was wondering where you got that sentiment. I dont really understand whhat yourw saying here and how that relates to whatever grack has or hasnt done this game?
I'm going off memory (not reliable). Any mafia would want to try to change thread sentiment. Grack did nothing.. Even on your example.. if he bussed his whole team he still did something. Was my point. t!Grack doesn't care m!Grack does something (if that's true he just killed his whole team)! What game is it though? I'll filter him to try to see.
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Assuming Grack is mafia where is he taking that Pand? Just throwing shadows? I'll agree he's been useless but last game was the same. Most I've played with him he's been in-active then picks up and is semi useful.
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On July 02 2019 15:36 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?
Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh. I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try... Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread. In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game. Going to remove my townread on Trfels. The bolded phrase seems very definitive and certain that ES is town. Trfels, what do you think about the fact that ES's last mafia game was 4 years ago and she could be playing extremely differently than her previous game? I know my first mafia game this year was completely different than how I used to play mafia back in 2013. Sorry, but what does the bolded section have in relevance to this? It was poorly worded, but what it meant was "after Day 1 when Eversince was obviously town/endgame when alignments were revealed".
To answer your question, her mafia game is different from her town play in a way that is difficult to replicate. Some people, a lot of people really, have trouble posting as mafia and have trouble fitting in. As a result, their posts feel more dry and formal, and socially they are more withdrawn; they focus on reads and pushes without truly getting involved or engaging much. It's not as simple as posting more, it's learning to socially engage and interact in a meaningful and relaxed way as mafia, which is really hard to learn and is unlikely to randomly change, even over time (especially without practice). Am I making sense?
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Hi everyone.
Had a quick read.
I don't really know what the big rush to townread people after just a few posts is for.
ES would you have townread you off the first page or two here? There's nothing there that couldn't reasonably be expected of either mafia or town surely. I don't really know what trfel is trying to achieve.
Looks to me like if you try real hard to get a townread in the first couple of pages it could well throw all your reads off for the whole game, no?
Pandain nothing actually happened between you townreading trfel 'exrtemely strongly' and then downgrading twice to null. That's kinda lame dude.
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You know after thinking that over for a second. It is strange! but he hasn't been around since Rayn got around I think. So maby he can answer. I'd lynch him but it's more policy.
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On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?
Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh. I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try... Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread. In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game.
Do you feel like this applies to you this game trfel?
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@Jock No my actual problem was Pand seeming to give Truffles free town read and leave me Null for the same reasons. Made no sense to me. I can just just be super dense.
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On July 02 2019 16:18 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 15:36 Pandain wrote:On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?
Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh. I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try... Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread. In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game. Going to remove my townread on Trfels. The bolded phrase seems very definitive and certain that ES is town. Trfels, what do you think about the fact that ES's last mafia game was 4 years ago and she could be playing extremely differently than her previous game? I know my first mafia game this year was completely different than how I used to play mafia back in 2013. Sorry, but what does the bolded section have in relevance to this? It was poorly worded, but what it meant was "after Day 1 when Eversince was obviously town/endgame when alignments were revealed". To answer your question, her mafia game is different from her town play in a way that is difficult to replicate. Some people, a lot of people really, have trouble posting as mafia and have trouble fitting in. As a result, their posts feel more dry and formal, and socially they are more withdrawn; they focus on reads and pushes without truly getting involved or engaging much. It's not as simple as posting more, it's learning to socially engage and interact in a meaningful and relaxed way as mafia, which is really hard to learn and is unlikely to randomly change, even over time (especially without practice). Am I making sense?
Oh I'm a bad reader. I thought you were talking about this game.
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On July 02 2019 16:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
Pandain nothing actually happened between you townreading trfel 'exrtemely strongly' and then downgrading twice to null. That's kinda lame dude.
my perspective changed
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On July 02 2019 16:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?
Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh. I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try... Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread. In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game. Do you feel like this applies to you this game trfel? No, I don't.
@Jockmcplop, my townread on Eversince achieved exactly what it was supposed to.
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On July 02 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
Pandain nothing actually happened between you townreading trfel 'exrtemely strongly' and then downgrading twice to null. That's kinda lame dude.
my perspective changed
Should read
On July 02 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
Pandain nothing actually happened between you townreading trfel 'exrtemely strongly' and then downgrading twice to null. That's kinda lame dude.
my perspective changed. twice.
There's nothing I can really say to that then is there?
Conversation over.
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I don't like Pandain deciding to town read trfel, hearing trfel say his read wasn't that strong but THEN saying "I don't think trfel would make such a strong town read as mafia because that ties his hands."
Feels like you ignored everything trfel was saying. Don't hate the picking up on grack and conversion later but the trfel thing, especially downgrading your read after for something not relevant at all (the bolded thing you highlighted) looks like you're just winging your read and aren't thinking it through.
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On July 02 2019 16:26 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:20 Holyflare wrote:On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?
Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh. I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try... Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread. In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game. Do you feel like this applies to you this game trfel? No, I don't. @Jockmcplop, my townread on Eversince achieved exactly what it was supposed to.
Do you still townread ES?
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I need to figure who to vote for. I'd be fine with Conv for reasons I already said. Grack would be ok but rather not, if he's town he'll start playing. Or we just lynch into lurkers. Which is also trash.
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On July 02 2019 16:28 Eversince wrote:
I need to figure who to vote for. I'd be fine with Conv for reasons I already said. Grack would be ok but rather not, if he's town he'll start playing. Or we just lynch into lurkers. Which is also trash.
Lynching lurkers isn't always trash.
I personally don't see the rush to figure out a vote right now. I guess we all play differently but I'd rather wait until near the deadline to gather as much as possible first.
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On July 02 2019 16:28 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:26 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 16:20 Holyflare wrote:On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?
Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh. I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try... Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread. In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game. Do you feel like this applies to you this game trfel? No, I don't. @Jockmcplop, my townread on Eversince achieved exactly what it was supposed to. Do you still townread ES? Of course. I do really believe in tonereads of this type. Her post about being willing to lynch Grackaroni already (!) makes me doubt slightly though, feels a bit opportunistic/eager, but I think the tone read is much stronger.
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