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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2019 19:36 GMT
#1584
I would say I'm mafia but I'm not Lemme double check my role pm just to be sure though
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 04:41 GMT
#1669
Honestly I don't know what to say other than I'm sorry for playing an absolutely miserable game. You guys deserve to win and I'm truly sorry that my poor play took that away from you.

I don't feel like making a case on Jockmcplop, I don't think it would change anything.

That said, I can attempt to explain my actions.

1. My initial townread on Eversince. The reason I posted it was to start conversation. If you look at every town game I've played in years, I've started with an early read of some type to try and get the game going. Yes I know it's a stretch, but it effectively got the game started, so I consider it a success. Look at any if my games where I was present early on and you will see this trend.

2. Voting for Conversion. Again, I wasn't trying to hide my presence in the thread, I posted 10 minutes before the deadline. I wasn't trying to hide my vote either, but I was on a phone and I was rushing to read as much of Conversion's filter as possible. I thought my time was better spent trying to read Conversion's filter and deciding what to do than posting in the thread. Maybe that was wrong but that's what I did.

I think since then I've been pretty darn clear on why I did what I did. I haven't done anything suspicious this game except be incredibly wrong, but unfortunately that is lynch-worthy.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 04:45 GMT
#1670
The thing I don't get though, is why me over Jockmcplop? As wrong as I've been and as lynch-worthy as that is, he's done all the same things. Admittedly it's my error and I deserve to be lynched for it whereas he played it perfectly and I played right into his hand, but I haven't been less pro-town than Jockmcplop has.

At least Holyflare had a reason for being suspicious of me, I don't believe anyone else has actually shared a reason for preferring lynching me to Jockmcplop. So if I am being lynched today I think I at least deserve to know why.

One thing I know is I have provided a lot more original thought and content than Jockmcplop has. His filter may be longer but his content is less substantial. You cannot disagree with the time and effort and care that I have spent trying to figure out this game (as wrong as it may have been).
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 04:49 GMT
#1671
On July 07 2019 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2019 16:15 Trfel wrote:
Also, I reread Eversince's filter. I still kinda think she is town but I'm not going to try and save her again, if she is lynched so be it. I accept the possibility that I could be wrong.

Also I didn't try to save Eversince, I tried to lynch mafia. To me there is a difference. With Conversion that was a random lynch to save Eversince; with you I thought you were mafia.

I did look at Eversince's filter D2 to re-evaluate and found some suspicious things, I really really regret not paying them more attention But it is a lie to say I did not re-evaluate Eversince D2 because I spent a significant amount of time in her filter and my thoughts are clearly posted.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 05:37 GMT
#1674
Thanks for taking the time to answer.

1) Like I said, I meant that I wouldn't vote to save Eversince or try to save Eversince, not that I wouldn't try to lynch a different scumread.
2) Sorry you find it lackluster. I messed up, at least I tried.
3) That was why I did it. Shrug
4) After talking about it with Jockmcplop, I thought about it and decided he was town. I just didn't bother to say it in the thread, maybe I should have done so.
5) Would it really make a difference if I made a case on Jockmcplop? I don't feel like it would matter.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 07:03 GMT
#1677
On July 03 2019 03:03 Jockmcplop wrote:
I don't think you're mafia ES, not yet anyway. All this stuff coming from rayn, hf and conversion seems kinda weak to be honest, even though there's alot of it.
This is one thing I don't like on Jockmcplop. He null-read Eversince for so long before eventually townreading her for no reason. Take a look at the first few pages of his filter for his interactions with/read on Eversince, he seems to be keeping his options open with a suspected scumbuddy. Voting all the other wagons, disagreeing with all the cases against her, even agreeing with Eversince's scumreads but still null...

Also raynpelikoneet, what about your point about jockmcplop jumping on you after I started being suspicious of you? I thought that was a really interesting point, how only after I started looking at you Jockmcplop followed and became certain you were mafia and kept pushing me to continue scumreading you. He saw my mistake and used it as an opportunity.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 07:05 GMT
#1678
Also Holyflare's point that while Jockmcplop was pushing Holyflare, he was convinced that Holyflare was mafia, and THEN realized that he had a point that still stood. Like if he didn't have a point that still stood, shouldn't he at least have been reconsidering his read?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 07:08 GMT
#1679
What can I say, he's played a good scum game and I've gift-wrapped him the game. I honestly don't know how to show that I am town and/or that Jockmcplop is mafia here. Especially since others have already made the best points on him.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 07:13 GMT
#1680
I don't understand what you mean at all about your Jockmcplop point getting debunked, sorry. I'll take your word for it I guess but I still think the overall picture of Jockmcplop's day 2 is really suspicious. How he jumps on raynpelikoneet only after I do, how he's so certain and it all comes up out of nowhere, how he encourages me on when I'm doubting. Especially the complete certainty makes no sense, his words are so certain but he keeps saying he was only 75% sure. I don't see any critical thought or attempt to figure out alignments day 2, just an all-in push to lynch raynpelikoneet. Town would be trying to figure things out and learn more when unsure, as he did even in other parts of this game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 07:50 GMT
#1683
On July 09 2019 16:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel. The most problem i have with your read on es is that you clearly said she has srtong scumgame and then you townread her for weak things (meta and shit) even though you found scummy things in her play.
You want the real answer?

I lied. I didn't think she had a strong scum game. But I wasn't going to call her out or say like "everyone but Eversince has a strong scum game," that's insulting. You can clearly see through the rest of my posts, especially the early ones, that I characterized Eversince's mafia game as forced, dry, formulaic, aka not that great. But I try to be nice and non-insulting.

Obviously I was wrong, and her play this game was incredibly improved. But that's why I said what I said, I basically just omitted an exception for Eversince to avoid being insulting. If that makes me mafia I'd do it again anyway.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 16:56 GMT
#1708
No that's not what I said at all, Day 1 I voted because of a town read on Eversince. I didn't have a solid read on Conversion. What makes you think otherwise?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 17:02 GMT
#1716
Day 1 vs Day 2...

Day 1 saved Eversince
Day 2 tried to vote for mafia (still thought Eversince was town, stupidly)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 17:06 GMT
#1724
On July 10 2019 02:03 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 02:02 Trfel wrote:
Day 1 vs Day 2...

Day 1 saved Eversince
Day 2 tried to vote for mafia (still thought Eversince was town, stupidly)

You were on a wagon with people who had mafia reads on 3 townies...

How did you come to the decision that you were not re-reading their filters?
I did reread Eversince's filter, I didn't have time to get to Jockmcplop, and since it was clearly Eversince vs raynpelikoneet I focused on my reads on those two.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 17:07 GMT
#1725
On July 10 2019 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 02:03 Eywa- wrote:
On July 10 2019 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 10 2019 01:59 Eywa- wrote:
Ah wait, I see... So you saved ES day 1 and day 2 you were just coincidentally following along with her again, but unrelated?

Trfel says on D1 he didn't vote to save ES. He voted Conv because he thought ES is town and with Conv he would have at least a chance to lynch mafia. On D2 he says he wasn't gonna save ES and the situation is anyways different from D1 because he had a scumread (rayn).

Day 2, he also voted you because he thought ES was town.

that's not right, at least he says it's not. he voted for me because he thought i am mafia.
This is true, I still thought Eversince is town though, does it matter? Why can't I think both?

Semantics...
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 17:13 GMT
#1729
On July 10 2019 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 02:07 Trfel wrote:
On July 10 2019 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 10 2019 02:03 Eywa- wrote:
On July 10 2019 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 10 2019 01:59 Eywa- wrote:
Ah wait, I see... So you saved ES day 1 and day 2 you were just coincidentally following along with her again, but unrelated?

Trfel says on D1 he didn't vote to save ES. He voted Conv because he thought ES is town and with Conv he would have at least a chance to lynch mafia. On D2 he says he wasn't gonna save ES and the situation is anyways different from D1 because he had a scumread (rayn).

Day 2, he also voted you because he thought ES was town.

that's not right, at least he says it's not. he voted for me because he thought i am mafia.
This is true, I still thought Eversince is town though, does it matter? Why can't I think both?

Semantics...

I do though have one problem with this, which i originally brought it up. Why didn't you change your vote onto eversince when pandain made it clear that's where he is going to vote? In an unlikely scenario that eywa is mafia and i am town you are losing the game for something you said you wouldn't do.
I was napping and I woke up too late :/
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 17:17 GMT
#1732
On July 10 2019 02:15 Eywa- wrote:
And a better point,

Trfel was trying to push mafia, yet... His posts all game indicate that he should have been pushing me day 2, not Rayn.
You keep talking like I've been scumreading you all game which simply is not true. Look again.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 09 2019 19:42 GMT
#1776
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