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On July 03 2019 22:36 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 17:44 Eversince wrote:On July 03 2019 17:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 03 2019 17:35 Eversince wrote:
I got called off to work. but I'm back now if people want to talk! It would be in your interest to take a look at grack, given that he's now the alternate wagon to you! I've already said what I feel about Grack. His poor contribution after I defend him so hard is bleh though. I'd be ok with lynching him to be honest. Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 17:49 Eversince wrote:
No actually Grack can wait I still think what Ewya did is so scummy, This needs dealt with first. Does this look like "slowly eroding a town read" to you? It's the opposite, Holyflare.
Are we even reading the same thing. Of course it fucking does? Oh look that guy i meta read and hard defended suddenly became the other wagon to me. Better fucking backtrack that read so he's an available lynch if I have to later.
But before I do that let's try this eywa wagon on!
I feel like I'm talking to aliens that have such a skewed perception of words that they take everything people say literally rather than reading between the lines and putting yourselves in mafia shoes.
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On July 03 2019 22:58 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 22:56 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 22:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 03 2019 22:22 Holyflare wrote:
Lol all your logic literally doesn't apply to almost every game I've ever played in. Mafia defends grack, if he's town they don't want to look bad. Could be why she's slowly eroding her town read on grack to move her vote "legitimately" at the end of the day.
They could both be mafia and that's why she's arbitrarily picked someone that in my eyes is an easy lynch that isn't grack.
I don't believe if they're both mafia they'd vote each other, that's stupid logic. What does this even mean? Grack isn't voting for ES right now. Are you telling me that if ES flips red, we shouldn't go and immediately lynch grack? You're telling me that es is town because she won't vote grack. Then why is that logic not made for grack who isn't voting es??? Because grack has not been in the thread while he's been close to being lynched. He had 3 votes for a short time earlier but wasn't here.
And what if he now reads this and decides he doesn't want to lynch es? Free town read?
Dumb
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Maybe I shouldn't townread ES too strongly on this. I'm starting to see your point of view (I still think I'm right), but even so, I wouldn't scum read ES from your case, or anyone else's that I've read so far because they all suck balls.
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Good for you, do what you want, I literally don't care lol.
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I can't think of anything more pointless than arguing about metrics with people that clearly have differing views on what mafia do or don't do.
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Whereas hf, you have been inconsistent, have constantly made terrible, illogical points trying to get ES lynched, and even contradicted yourself on eywa while you were doing it.
Scum.
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I am not sure if people understand my read on ES, definitely don't understand why some people call it a bad read. My read is based on the fact ES seems (first) to be having an opinion on how Grack plays, then follows the logic further and comes to a conclusion that makes no sense. I can somehow understand this from town perspective still because ES seems to be a player who dumps everything she currently thinks into the thread and possibly can make logical mistakes (reference; the gunsmith game for those who know). That's why i unvoted. I was not sure. But then she did it again with HF. Like she literally said HF is super strong mafia player and then she went on saying if HF is mafia he is just gonna afk and we kill him. That's strike two and noone ever says that as town if the starting point is that HF is ridiculously strong mafia player. If someone has an opinion on someone else's play based on meta they NEVER contradict that opinion straight up as town, i am just not going to believe it.
I am letting Eywa off the hook at least until ES flip because i think ES is mafia, lately Eywa has made sense regardless of if i agree with her or not, and i think bussing would be stupid here, double bussing ridiculously stupid. I don't believe there is any chance they are mafia together and i think ES is scum so there is that.
I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense. When Grack was mafia he didn't really post anything "bad", in fact he posted all the right things but all that together was some random right things. The bus on Vivax especially threw me off there. There was not really any train of thought seen from his posting, if you get what i mean. rn i think it's different, however i am not fan of Grack's read on ES, especially the reasoning behind his read, because -- just like trfel's -- the reasoning doesn't really make anyone anything, it's a surface level read and easy to make without saying anything wrong, but there is really nothing that should make the opposing player anything. I guess they could be mafia together but i do not want to lynch Grack over ES.
I am not a fan of Trfel at all. I have pretty much no idea what he is doing and what he is trying to achieve. It feels like mafia!disformation-style-of-posting where you say stuff and look like youre thinking about stuff but you don't really say anything or do anything and everyone just ignores you.
Idk if i missed something. I have a friend over at my place so i am trying to read along and i will kick him out at latest 1 hour before deadline to be around.
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rayn you missed obviously mafia hf obviously being mafia.
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On July 03 2019 23:01 Jockmcplop wrote:
Whereas hf, you have been inconsistent, have constantly made terrible, illogical points trying to get ES lynched, and even contradicted yourself on eywa while you were doing it.
Scum.
Feel free to vote me.
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On July 03 2019 23:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 23:01 Jockmcplop wrote:
Whereas hf, you have been inconsistent, have constantly made terrible, illogical points trying to get ES lynched, and even contradicted yourself on eywa while you were doing it.
Scum. Feel free to vote me.
I already did 
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I'm going to near-AFK the rest of the day because I don't think anyone's mind is going to change. We've all made our opinions clear for better or for worse.
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I see a lot of stupid arguing over the last pages. If you want to do something do something but most of the last 10 pages could just be deleted since pretty much nothing there is ever going to achieve anything into any direction. It's just pointless.
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On July 03 2019 23:04 Jockmcplop wrote:
rayn you missed obviously mafia hf obviously being mafia.
he isn't "obviously mafia".
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Is Pandain mafia, or is he just one of those other players that just shoots off posts without realizing how bad he sounds?
What is this read progression on me when I haven't even posted..
On July 03 2019 15:59 Pandain wrote:
Okay, as long as Eywa's explanation for the above doesn't suck (but if it does, this completely changes)
Strong town reads: Rayn, Eywa
Pretty likely town: Jock
Have no idea why people are town reading Conversion. The guy has done nothing really substantial.
For ES, I'm not sure. Honestly I started skipping alot of her posts. A lot of her reasoning is ..not good, but I don't think either of Rayn's or HF's points are good.
Grack is actually a great town player but he's still done nothing meaningful so there's that.
For me honestly, I want to vote between Conversion, Grack, and Trfel.
Wants to lynch Conversion, Grack, or Trfel
On July 03 2019 16:49 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 16:45 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 03 2019 15:59 Pandain wrote:
For me honestly, I want to vote between Conversion, Grack, and Trfel. I haven't properly looked into any of these three yet. I had a slight town read on conversion when made the post on ES (even though I disagreed) because of his meta and the aggressive way he defended himself. I'll take a closer look at all three today and let you know what I think though. It might take me a while to get this done because I'm at work. Yeah decent point. I'll say Conv. is null to slightly town. To me he's mostly null.
Well, actually he's null to slightly town. Maybe more null, but still wants to lynch me?
On July 03 2019 20:22 Pandain wrote:
I defend people all the time because they're null at best. Not because I have a strong or even mediocore townread on them.
He justifies defending HF because he's null, but wants to lynch me even if I'm null?
On July 03 2019 22:09 Pandain wrote:
I have extremely strong townreads on Jock, ES, Rayn, and Eywa.
Meaning I think the last two scum are between Conv, Trfell, HF, and Grack.
I actually have a very slight town read on HF too.
Now I'm back to being scummy
On July 03 2019 22:15 Pandain wrote:
Briefly skimming Trfel's last town games and previous two mafia games (albeit admittedly 3-4 years ago), they seem more similar to his town games.
His posts seem genuine and he's making some good points.
I think the last two scum are Conversion and Grack. Maybe HF.
Oh here we go, I'm scum now.
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Nah Conversion you're completely misunderstanding me. I never really thought you're scummy, maybe slightly town. Basically null. But you're in the "scum" pile based on process of elimination.
But based on my PoE I think the last two scum are probably you and Conversion.
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And I have a slightly stronger town read on HF than you. Honestly to be blunt I just think he's town.
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On July 03 2019 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 23:04 Jockmcplop wrote:
rayn you missed obviously mafia hf obviously being mafia. he isn't "obviously mafia".
Do you have any thoughts on his play so far?
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On July 03 2019 23:07 Pandain wrote:
Nah Conversion you're completely misunderstanding me. I never really thought you're scummy, maybe slightly town. Basically null. But you're in the "scum" pile based on process of elimination.
But based on my PoE I think the last two scum are probably you and Conversion.
To clarify, even now I don't really have any reasons to call you scummy. You've done pretty much nothing this game.
I just think you're scum based on PoE
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On July 03 2019 23:08 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 23:04 Jockmcplop wrote:
rayn you missed obviously mafia hf obviously being mafia. he isn't "obviously mafia". Do you have any thoughts on his play so far?
Yes, i think he is voting for mafia.
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Eversince has still made no case against me really besides saying that my entrance post sucks, hasn't progressed her read on me, and is more than happy to spam up the thread on why Eywa/Conversion is terrible instead of trying to case us and swing votes somewhere else.
She also horribly misread my post-- the big thing (that is STILL prevalent in her filter) on why she's mafia is that she doesn't do anything townie. She doesn't push for her mafia reads, she wants to talk about her townreads, and is just really incessantly shouting and not providing much content. She's mentioned me only THIRTEEN times in her 9 page filter. For someone who seems pretty damn adamant on catching Scumversion, she doesn't seem to want to actually try and convince people, and lament on how she "tried so hard" on trying to say something about me.
She doesn't pursue any other avenues, but wants to just tell the world how she's tried so hard but is going to be lynched anyways. That's not town play.
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