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On June 23 2019 19:41 Holyflare wrote: Should probably double check if Eversince actually wants in He already did send me a PM. I confirmed with him there. Thanks for the notice in thread though.  | ||
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 !I'm going to be around for a bit so who wants to talk? | ||
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On June 24 2019 04:33 KelsierSC wrote: Not a bad idea. I'm here doing some studying so I can hang out some. When was your last game? Can't remember if we've played together before. It's been a few moths. Before I came back to the States. What are you studying? | ||
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Also edit by post: I looked it up, almost a year since the last time I played here. | ||
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I didn't mean for the game!.. Just general I think he's a nice guy. | ||
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On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote: @Shapelog, what are you cooking? Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas? I understood it him making a joke. | ||
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Can't you see I'm trying to be all nice, start the thread, and engage people?! | ||
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On June 24 2019 05:03 Shapelog wrote: Yes and it is scaring me more than HF being innocent child Aww, how can I fix that? | ||
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We can be friends now? | ||
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The largest problem I have is with why you think my play is odd. But you explained it, and I understand your point. Grack should talk instead of spamming photos though. That's irritating. | ||
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On June 24 2019 05:40 Grackaroni wrote: Honestly I should have a pretty content filled filter by the end of the day, so don't get too worked up by me not taking the game super seriously in the first hour or so. Wasn't planning on it. I get you play like this! So is ok . I'll just give you some time! | ||
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One of those I was old blue mia most of the time I think? I don't remember the other game. | ||
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Anything happening yet? | ||
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On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote: I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince Yes, me outside, why lynch Padain? | ||
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On June 24 2019 12:45 Trfel wrote: I really don't get why he would be so readily willing to lynch Pandain but said nothing about players with similar amounts of content like Grackaroni, raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam. And even his townread on Shapelog kinda feels like he's being non-committal so he can go back on it later. Plus zero actual interaction with the thread, like being present but not present, if that makes sense. Disconnected. I don't really like it, but at the same time I feel like I'm just bad at mafia so bleh Agree. Rayn is from across the pond. Him being absent is fine I think. Pandain has been ok. Townread on SL is ok but easy. I'm town reading him right now too. | ||
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On June 24 2019 12:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont really get that. The only thing Shapelog has done is called you possibly mafia, everything else is just filler like from most of the players so far. Exactly, I've put bulk into this game so far. So SL throwing an opinions on me is fine. | ||
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On June 24 2019 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also can we please not call Shapelog SL, that's for sicklucker. When it first came out i had to go look for sicklucker's filter from the OP lol. Just to make you happy . | ||
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On June 24 2019 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not necessarily against Eywa's scumreads (or well atm i kinda am but that doesn't necessarily make her mafia) but i want to hear why are those her scumreads. Ditto. | ||
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On June 24 2019 13:09 Trfel wrote: I'm sorry I'm just confused how your read on Shapelog went from a townread to a light townread for merely existing, which seems like it should apply to plenty of players. To me it almost feels like you're backing down on your read when challenged. Raynpelikoneet, I find it weird that we are in agreement early on, feel like that's never happened before.. How did it go from t! to light!t? I treated him indifferent at the start and never said a word about it before. | ||
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On June 24 2019 13:14 Trfel wrote: (emphasis mine) To me that suggests a much stronger townread than your statements since. That's misconstrued. Reading that literally says I think his read's are easy. | ||
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On June 24 2019 13:23 Trfel wrote: Fair enough, maybe one of these days I'll figure out what the town Trfel thing is >< @Eversince, fair enough I suppose, I'll drop it. Thanks for humoring me Just trying to be a team player! | ||
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Kels, I have limited time. So that you don't like me we can chat! Few minutes at least.. | ||
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On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. | ||
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I do find that only opinion that has he has posted is lacking. Maby that is just life though? | ||
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I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me. So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? | ||
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On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote: In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. You literally just claimed Pandain is "under-contributing from his town meta" and useless just means mafia to me right now. She(?)yes also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Last games I've played with Pandain he has been mostly mia. Same for you. But I know both are capable of putting content in such as you have picked up doing later day1! Pandains lack is highly questionable to me. Then I noticed this post: I'm sick of formatting. Ewya's randomly tossing out "lynch ES or Pandain" makes no sense. I asked about it and got no answer. What world do we live in where the entire mafia team buses day 1 for no reason though? I don't agree with HF Rayn points though. I think they are valid. Why I agreed with his case. I think they are worth considering but I don't see it as mafia agenda. More t!Rayn trying to assert himself. I could be wrong on that though ;P. Time will tell! | ||
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On June 25 2019 20:39 Pandain wrote: Eversince have I played with you before? Yeah, go check my history on the site. If all my games are listed, otherwise a comment post from my profile will show it. | ||
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On June 25 2019 20:46 Pandain wrote: I just checked, we have never played together hahaha. I'm going to keep my vote on Kelsier for the time being, though I want to hear from Grack. Sorry then! I must miss remember something ! | ||
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Agree Slam would be a fine lynch too. Grack's role claim is so pointless the only world I see it happening is t!Grack trying to attract a bullet. Which is stupid but (shrug)? I don't understand where m!Grack claims so early to draw a lynch on himself. Though if it pulls the thread into chaos later I'll probably change my mind. I have a bad feeling on Kels aswell. I'm ok with lynching him. | ||
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On June 25 2019 20:58 Holyflare wrote: What are my rayn points? Can you just briefly bullet point them so I know we're on the same page? This post: On June 25 2019 16:48 Holyflare wrote: I'll explain why rayn is mafia based on just this one post. My comments are in red. None of these things highlight why Kelsier is town, none at all. In fact, if anything, it looks like Rayn should be absolutely scum reading Kelsier. This is just one example of a narrative that Rayn is trying to push that doesn't make sense when you actually get down to it. I read the beginnings of his shapelog case too. It's literally that he thinks shapelog should have more content in a first post based on some previous game he played with shapelog and that he'd think shapelog's accusation would have more reasoning behind it. Not a stellar read, there's loads of stretches of imagination for it. | ||
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Joking aside, I think Slam or Kels is fine. Pandain has still not given much despite my bothering. Grack is a silly lynch even for his claim because of reasons I already talked about. I'd like to talk to some more people before I put in a vote. Shape is just bleh but at this point enough have asked questions about it I'm questionable. I'd be ok with it but if he flips town I'm going to be depressed. | ||
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On June 25 2019 21:49 Holyflare wrote: So you're saying rayn's points are valid? What exactly ARE rayn's points that are valid? The whole point of my post is specifically his town case on kelsier not making sense. Are you saying you're disagreeing with that? His town on Kels makes no idea to me either. I said as much in previous post. His points on Shape in that, and other post are fine though. Should of split so attention wasn't decided to Kels. I don't care though. I got it and that is good enough for me at least. | ||
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On June 25 2019 22:02 Holyflare wrote: My main problem with rayn is that kelsier looks very bad in all aspects of his posts but rayn specifically went out of his way to defend kelsier while: Calling his posts out saying this is what mafia kelsier would do Ignoring all contradictory kelsier points Making mafia posts from Kelsier into town posts Well town makes stupid moves all the time.. What about defending Kels makes !mRayn? I get that defending someone looking terrible is a bad enough reason. But Rayn can have a attitude. So I let it go. | ||
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I think both are valid lynch choices. You don't. I get your reasoning while HF doesn't. | ||
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##vote: KelsierSC | ||
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On June 26 2019 01:32 Grackaroni wrote: My mafia team is Shapelog, Eversince, KelsierSC. Pandain isn't mafia. There's a chance that Rayn or Jock is mafia but they're both town reads at the moment. I think Jock can be very dangerous. Eywa/Slam can be swapped in if Kelsier isn't mafia. Agree but why the Jock warning? He's been townie to me all game. Is there meta I should read night cycle? | ||
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On June 26 2019 03:34 Eversince wrote: Agree but why the Jock warning? He's been townie to me all game. Is there meta I should read night cycle? Also why can't Ewya/Slam be mafia with Kelsier? | ||
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On June 26 2019 03:40 Holyflare wrote: Too much about rayn doesn't add up, he's mafia. Trust me. Maby my mind is stupid. If you can convince me in 45 minutes ok. | ||
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On June 26 2019 03:46 Eywa- wrote: Probably because neither me nor Kelsier is mafia. That would be my guess. That's a dumpster of a answer. You've picked bone with me from the start and won't even explain why? That's dumpster aswell. | ||
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On June 26 2019 03:50 Holyflare wrote: In an effort to get a non-shenaniganable lynch train that people are happy with, let's vote slam. ##vote alakaslam I'm happy with Slam lynch. Lets see if this can happen. ##vote alakaslam | ||
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On June 26 2019 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Grack, Trfel and Kelsier. You gyus need to get your shit together. Also please do not vote for eversince. Shes not mafia. Please read the stuff on shapelog. Also please read the stuff eywa said around the time i left. There is no reason she should have a scumread on pandain early on. When asked about it she conveniently left it unanswered and used my post on pandain to jump on me. The reasoninh is plain out retarded. Pretty much nothing she says at that time makes any sense from town pov. Then please read the post i quoted about pandain. There is no reason pandain as town says what he said there because at the time he thinks kelsier is mafia and i am mafia wirh kels, so my post on shape should just be bs. Not any convoluted read as he says. Way to not actually take any stance on a case. I am pretty sure those three are mafia. I am sorry i couldnt be around more, but i think i played one of my towniest D1's ever. I really tried explaining my reads other than scumreads and diacuss studf with people. I still dont answer hf's stupid questions because the answers are in my filter. At least this game proved to me i am better going back to doibg what i have done past year, aka playing the game for my own amusememt. No use to try talk when people dont even try to listen. Good luck. I think Shape could be in there too but Pandain/Kels are really hurting me. I will do my bestest to not let a wagon start on you! | ||
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On June 26 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote: I think that rayn post looks really fake lol Why? | ||
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On June 26 2019 04:04 Eversince wrote: Gosh damn it. Why are two of my townreads s!Rayn. Please talk to me in the night because I'm dense. Ok. HF doesn't get to count. | ||
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On June 26 2019 03:57 Pandain wrote: rayn the kind of guy to make a goodbye post when the wagon has already left him Or..... He's the other active vet player. If not s!Rayn will probably die tonight. Why even point this out? | ||
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On June 26 2019 04:08 Eversince wrote: Or..... He's the other active vet player. If not s!Rayn will probably die tonight. Why even point this out? Assuming I'm wrong and Grack actually is doctor. Then Rayn might live since HF/Grack are way more tempting targets. | ||
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On June 26 2019 04:09 Pandain wrote: We still got 24 hours before he would *possibly* die, and if he's almost about to be lynched tonight good chance he lives another day. His post is just a sum of the day. If he sleeps and works your 24 window is down to about 4-6 hours. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On June 26 2019 04:10 Holyflare wrote: [QUOTE]On June 26 2019 04:00 Eversince wrote: [QUOTE]On June 26 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote: I think that rayn post looks really fake lol[/QUOTE] Why?[/QUOTE] He is not and was not ever the lynch leader and has pressure from 2(???) people MAX. When has anyone had more than 2 votes? Rayn got them back to back. Pressure all day for what I think are weak reason. Reads are not updated and he refuses to even talk about things going on now and decided to opt for this big post instead (why would he ever need this instead of just talking?) He literally just post a updated read log. It's not a list post but that is better I think. Appeals to emotion for Grack/Trfel/Kelsier. Grack/Trfel are in my townreads too. Why hate for trying to form a cyrcle with other town? Kelser is read is weird but I won't rehash what I've already said for sake. Somehow has narrowed down the game to a few people based on almost 0 content from the majority of the game. 48 hours and we are hopefully setting to lynch the most mia player out of it. You work with what you can. Says he's played his towniest game ever because he tried to explain his reads but literally only made a town case on Kelsier which was more of a reason Kelsier should be mafia than town, made a wild meta read on shapelog and afkd while pointing out random tidbits about people. Maby because someone keeps pestering him? Thinks Pandain is town for a really bad reason that many people say in many games when people fake claim. Ok no clue why he thinks Pandain is town. Valid point. Refuses AGAIN to answer my really easily answerable questions if he was town BUT THEN says woe is me why will nobody listen?????? I'm completely sure Rayn can handle pressure. This may not be true. Assume t!Rayn getting pushed for lynch by HF MIGHT get irritated and decide not to care. Problem. But it does happen. Then he says this game proves he's better going back to doing what he's done in the past WHEN NOBODY HAS EVEN FLIPPED YET AND HE HAS LITERALLY NO IDEA WHAT HE'S DONE CORRECTLY <------------------ most bs point in this whole thing[ Fair /QUOTE] | ||
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On June 26 2019 04:33 Holyflare wrote: So Pandain only becomes active when slam is up for lynch I've been saying the guy is probably scum . | ||
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On June 26 2019 04:34 Pandain wrote: I was active way before so this is completely false. Anyway I'm obviously suspicious, but because I know I'm town it's pretty likely to me that one of kelsier/SL is mafia. Like I said, if even 2 mafia was here it's likely they would have tried to bandwagon on someone else. Alright, to avoid trashing the thread I'm going to be friends with you. You have 72 hours to convince me your town! | ||
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On June 26 2019 04:46 Pandain wrote: Actually I really encourage a vig shot on me just to get it out of the way so town can focus. Darn Pand. If you're actually town listen to your own advice. Why give up here? We just killed mafia. You have all sort of doubt but I would think t!Pand would fight that to the death. | ||
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On June 26 2019 04:53 Pandain wrote: It's not that I'm giving up, I just honestly recognize it looks bad and think that town would not be in a bad spot if i got vig'd. This makes no sense to me. If a we have a vig it should go into mafia. If your not, why just not care? A town waste a vig shot on town.. Outs our vig.... And gain nothing so why even consider it? | ||
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On June 26 2019 04:59 Holyflare wrote: This game is specifically designed for mafia having to counter claim I think which is a bit shit. There's 3 effectively confirmed townies out of 8 which imo is way too strong. 2 would have been good I think. Now mafia have to shoot me while thinking about dodging a medic or rbing one while also thinking about there being a cop. I think it's too power role heavy. Maybe even just 1 named town would be enough because the mislynch pool for mafia is what, 5 players and they need to lynch 3 of them and maybe even more if there is a save??? I don't believe the Grack doc claim. I think he is just VT trying to draw kp away from you. At least makes sense to me. | ||
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On June 26 2019 05:04 Pandain wrote: This wouldn't make any sense. Mafia would just RB Grack plus shoot HF if they believed him. They would never shoot Grack How? Grack as doc can't save himself. So wait for HF. Shoot Grack. | ||
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If neither die Grack is mafia and someone else doc HF | ||
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On June 26 2019 05:10 Eversince wrote: And if Grack lives and HF does die he can tell us he was RBed and we know for a fact mafia RB is there. ebwop | ||
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Mafia has RB. Grack saves HF. HF and Grack survive because mafia shot HF instead of Grack. Or we living in a world where mafia have 2+kp in a 11 player game? Because phoo. | ||
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On June 26 2019 05:14 Pandain wrote: Anyway my point is that Grack fake-claiming doctor as VT doesn't accomplish anything because it's still extremely likely HF dies. My point was that Grack fakeclaim to draw kp away from HF. Maby in the hopes there is a doc. | ||
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On June 26 2019 05:14 Pandain wrote: Anyway my point is that Grack fake-claiming doctor as VT doesn't accomplish anything because it's still extremely likely HF dies. Either both live, mafia plays a wildcard and shoots someone random other then HF, or HF dies and as confirmed town I don't see a reason for mafia to leave such a player in, Gracks mafia. Whole reason I thought it was so easy to stack him on a t! pile in the first place. The claim makes no sense as mafia. If mafia shoot HF and Grack saves him nothing happens. There is no notice needed. We see the results. If mafia shoot wild and Grack was RB we still know. All useful info. | ||
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On June 26 2019 05:30 Grackaroni wrote: So we’re agreed. We roleblock Grack and shoot HF. Yes. kill the squirrel! | ||
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Ewya has tried to string me up in any tree since the start of the game. I no longer like it. HF dogging on Rayn is bleh but we all know he's town. Grack will be confirmed soon enough. He gets a t!read. Trfel is still town. Shape is a bugger, need to put in some content! Rest of my reads stand. | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:03 Eywa- wrote: I'm 100% voting Rayn tomorrow and not moving. To hell you are! | ||
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Slam your dead friend ! (Thanks for playing though!) | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:11 Alakaslam wrote: What the fuck When was deadline You know, I get really pissed when places that have WiFi will not give it to volunteers. Sorry all. Side notice: I live in the middle of nowhere both places I live. I feel your pain. We don't even have internet in my home county house.. | ||
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Why? And explain yourself on me please. | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:17 Alakaslam wrote: I am mostly pissed that I could just as easily have been town, and when I am usually the one you don’t touch and had informed that I had zero access I got lynched as my favorite alignment that I get once in a blue moon because some stuck up island people decided that I don’t get internet while I stay there. Slam I understand. People around where I stay give me a passing look because I'm a tiny girl, on my own, and refuse to help me. Please take this to PM though. Or post game. | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:24 Eywa- wrote: I think either Pandain or Rayn could be scum, but I don't think they are scum together. (Sigh) Before I start are you caught up? | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:29 Holyflare wrote: Have you just realised that with 3 CONFIRMED blue roles in this game that having a lynch pool of 5 people makes it incredibly hard to be mafia and now you need to open it up? 3 Blue? Who else beside you and Grack? | ||
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Ok, assuming Grack claim is real Yourself. Where is the other? | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kelsier is not my strongest town read. Youre fucking annoying, dont read, and twist words into your own delusional narratives. Like just fuck you i am done talking to you. Rayn I'm pretty sure your town by now. Please stop talking to HF. He is prodding you. I don't know why. Can we be friends yet? | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ofc. You lynched mafia. I have had a town read on you since forever. I told grack to not lynch you. I learned from the best ! | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:45 Holyflare wrote: The only thing that's relevant to pushing something for a lynch at deadline is the posts near-ish to deadline. Anything else before that is baseless posturing. He was absolutely content sitting there 6 hours ago to 2 hours ago (deadline) when the votes were 2/2/2/2 saying Kelsier was a good vigilante shot and not actually pushing any lynch at all while complaining that people weren't voting. It wasn't until trfel put a vote on slam and made slam a majority that Pandain actually started actively campaigning for someone to lynch (rayn - who he town(???) read - I'm not actually sure if he has town read rayn but he defends rayn a lot). Got chu. I agree. | ||
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Please still answer why you have such a mafia read on me. I want to know. I can't answer questions I don't know. You have to ask me them first. | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:55 Pandain wrote: I'm completely null on shape. I was certain that slam was town, and even if I voted SL it would still be a slam lynch. So i was trying to get you to vote rayn, where there was a small chance he was scum. Why vote Rayn though? There wasn't a reason and still isn't. | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:57 Pandain wrote: 5% chance (rayn) is better than 0% chance (slam) And imo Slam was even worse than a regular town lynch, because we would have gotten no information out of a slam lynch if he was town. We know Rayn is active and participating. We can see t!Rayn because we look at his post and motives. Slam had been useless all game. How is that worse? We just ;ynch a lurker or we lynch the (probably) t!Rayn for info? | ||
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On June 26 2019 07:07 Jockmcplop wrote: Everything since night one started I need to reread. I'm terrible at analyzing mechanical stuff for some reason so the whole thing about roles I just haven't got my head around yet. Pandain def looks bad for the last couple of hours but I don't think anything has changed too much about my reads. I still like at least one of Grack and KSC for mafia. Fair. I'm a really slow English reader myself. How long before you can make thoughts? | ||
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On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote: I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on. I already knew Rayn could get haywire. I made a post about it already. We'll see if it happens | ||
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On June 26 2019 07:11 Jockmcplop wrote: Is there something specific you wanted my thoughts on? Right now my thoughts are "I can't believe slam was mafia." I'll be here a while chatting though so anything you think I should look at just let me know and I'll try and summon an opinion. (I've been at band practice after work so I'm fucking shattered - Complex logic isn't going to happen) Just a general pile of reads. I think your town I just want your thoughts on everything here since you're here. Don't bother formatting if you don't feel like doing it. | ||
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On June 26 2019 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote: This is a good point I haven't made any kind of comprehensive reads list yet at all. I'll get on it now,give me 20 minutes. Thanks! I'm hold you to it;)! I've got a to get my face in the mud though. | ||
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On June 26 2019 07:21 Grackaroni wrote: I think it was you that asked me why I was talking about Jock earlier, I think his play is townie so far, but I'm comparing him to a higher bar than a lot of players because I think he is capable of pretty townie play as mafia. Ok. I think his play is town.In-active for a long while but I am very quilty of that. | ||
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On June 26 2019 07:23 Holyflare wrote: How can I treat someone I think is mafia seriously if they won't answer my really simple questions? That's literally the game. He would do exactly the same reaction if he was mafia or town, and blow it out of proportion even more so if mafia. I don't think my questions are even inflammatory and he's just taking it that way?? Do you not think my questions are valid? The only way I can make people lynch rayn is by pointing out bad rayn logic and forcing him to answer it so other people realise he actually is mafia. Which he's cleverly avoiding doing. HF give him half of day2 ok? I think you both just need a chance to cool off. Or go just in a lake. That would do too. Fighting between eachother is useless though. Since I know for a fact your town. Believe Rayn is town.. Just stop for that time please !. | ||
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On June 26 2019 07:37 Holyflare wrote: I would absolutely be giving him space if I had the time but I am going to die so can't and he really should just answer my questions. He's stalling because I am going to die and then he doesn't have to answer them when I'm gone. So, promise me when I am dead you will ask him: A) What bullshit was going on in the thread that made him want to make a town case on Kelsier. <-- he said he said it in his filter but I can't see where B) Why was his later reason for town reading Kelsier based on him being proactive rather than reactive but nothing in the case he made earlier ever alluded to that reasoning? <--- he's already admitted that he didn't write it in his case, ask him why C) Why has he said that he needs to revisit Kelsier when Kelsier has not returned since Rayn made the town case on Kelsier, Kelsier did not vote so is afk, rayn scum reads the people pushing Kelsier? D) Why does Pandain look townie for eod pushing away from Slam after everything I've said? As long as these get answered without some hissy fit then you can let him play however he wants. C) Why I'll stick my nose to it. Answer me one question. Last point "C:why": what you mean? | ||
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On June 26 2019 08:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Maybe this is true. I'm an irrational beast. But I'm trying grackaroni, I'm trying damn hard to be rational. I'm happy to drop it and keep scumreading you until something changes my mind. I'm not tunnelled so that could happen especially if you are town. Honestly there's more going on that just the timing of your reads, the voting thing I mentioned does matter at this point, given that I'm scumreading ksc and you voted on the only other wagon. I think the whole argument is silly.Grack claimed doc. I he doesn't die tonight we lynch him. What mafia is going to let a town run loose with conf doc? This is what I meant before when I said I didn't care about his claim unless it caused chaos. It's a problem that will sort itself out short order. | ||
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I made a post about it. Then another. Clear this up please! Now seriously going to sleep! Goodnight friends! | ||
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On June 26 2019 08:37 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think this has been properly understood yet: If someone else wants to counterclaim a non-investigative role tomorrow please go ahead. Otherwise I am not the lynch. There's a decent chance that mafia roleblocks me and shoots HF. If people want to lynch me then someone else needs to put their neck on the line tomorrow and make a counterclaim of a defensive blue role. I am even willing to be the first one lynched in that claim war for making a dumb claim. (1 scum for a blue claim is a very worthwhile trade right now if I am mafia, so there is no reason not to counterclaim.) FF likely balanced the setup based on role classes. I am 95% sure there will be one defensive blue (Doctor/Veteran/Jailkeeper), and one investigative (Vig/Parity Cop/Tracker.) If nobody claims one of the first 3 roles then it is a massive blunder to lynch me. Even HF will admit that this is correct. Good night. Who would you save tonight? | ||
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On June 26 2019 08:40 Grackaroni wrote: Holyflare. The shot will 100% be either me or him. Let's make this interesting then. I'm tracker. I can follow to confirm you. HF is already confirmed. Me being able to show who I tracked will confirm me. We can get 3 conf town. and just end this shenanigans. | ||
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On June 26 2019 08:56 Grackaroni wrote: That's not up to me and I don't think it's worth discussing in thread. Even the chance of being tracked is a serious threat to mafia. Yep, my townread on Grack is topping radio towers. I'm not tracker but I wanted to test your claim while you where here. | ||
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On June 26 2019 09:04 Holyflare wrote: Track rayn or shapelog or pandain. Random between the three of them. Rayn I have a pretty strong townread on. I suppose I can filter again. Shape is bleh. Pandain is bleh. I've explained why lots in my post. It's not random Kels is still bleh to me too. | ||
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On June 26 2019 09:17 Grackaroni wrote: You can talk with drunk Rayn? He might swear at you, but he's secretly very cuddly. I deal with people telling me about chemical mixtures they know nothing about that could just kill them. I have real think skin. | ||
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I think you should read Shapelog though. Pandain and me had a lengthful conversation. Thoughts on that? | ||
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On June 26 2019 09:19 Eversince wrote: I deal with people telling me about chemical mixtures they know nothing about that could just kill them. I have real think thick skin. Damn auto correct. | ||
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On June 26 2019 09:42 Trfel wrote: Sorry I actually have to leave now, I know, lame discussion Sorry. I'd love to hear your thoughts and I'll read them when I get back though!Still can't get sleep so I'll play instead. I think Grack is town from the dumb claim. He doesn't post that as mafia. Rayn is town because despite HF popular opinion, he is active, does talk about reads, and is trying to figure out the game. Truffles is town because of the same reasons. Same for Jock. Pandain seems bleh to me but I I'm getting that mostly for meta reads that apparently didn't happen. Maby I read a few of his games or something though. His post lack content but I did like our conversation end of day. He wants to do stuff but just doesn't. Kels is just useless. put a noose on this guy tomorrow. Ewya still not answering why she wants me dead highly suspicious. I'm about over her trying to throw me under a bus with no reasoning. Don't want to lynch yet because I think Shape fits better. Shape is bleh for Rayn's reasons. He's been more boring than drying paint since. Where I am at. | ||
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If that happens probably Kels/Slam/Grack team.(unlikely) Though I do need to run the thread again to make sure they'd fit together. | ||
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On June 26 2019 12:48 Eversince wrote: Still can't get sleep so I'll play instead. I think Grack is town from the dumb claim. He doesn't post that as mafia. Rayn is town because despite HF popular opinion, he is active, does talk about reads, and is trying to figure out the game. Truffles is town because of the same reasons. Same for Jock. Pandain seems bleh to me but I I'm getting that mostly for meta reads that apparently didn't happen. Maby I read a few of his games or something though. His post lack content but I did like our conversation end of day. He wants to do stuff but just doesn't. Kels is just useless. put a noose on this guy tomorrow. Ewya still not answering why she wants me dead highly suspicious. I'm about over her trying to throw me under a bus with no reasoning. Don't want to lynch yet because I think Shape fits better. Shape is bleh for Rayn's reasons. He's been more boring than drying paint since. Where I am at. To add to this hate that got railed at Rayn day1 for Shape case derailed the thread like crazy. I need to look into that. | ||
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On June 26 2019 14:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you be more specific? The only things i like about Pandain are that he aknowledged the fact Kels/Shape have at least in mafia in them, and that slam kinda called him mafia after he died. I don't really like anything Eywa has posted because as i said there is zero reasoning behind her posts. Both of them can't be mafia though. I'll try. Pandain put a ton more effort into explaining himself to me start of the night. Which made me feel a lot better on him. If he did it as a play to gain me as m!Pand, not sure why. I'm pretty bad at convincing people as town short of getting really irate. Doesn't make much sense to me. Ewya's wanted me body hanging from a tree all game and won't explain why. I asked before and got a phoo answer. She just wants to lynch me. I think it's really off. | ||
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On June 26 2019 14:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did you read what for example HF wrote about Pandain? Why is it so impossible that Slam is mafia with let's say Kelsier (who is his scumread) + Shapelog (who he doesn't have a read on) that he is willing to lynch his 95% townread (me) over Slam? Even if he thinks one of Kelsier + Shapelog is mafia that should still be a viable option that one of the active players is mafia with one of them and they still can't do anything about the lynch (like for example they are already on whichever of Kels/Shape = town). It really doesn't make any sense. Had Pandain only said he doesn't want to lynch Slam and not pushed Kelsier + me like he did i could understand him, that's what i originally thought was the case. Just because he "explained himself" doesn't make him town, what do you expect him to do as mafia? Just roll over and die? Yeah i asked a lot of stuff from Eywa and also got phoo os there is nothing much to talk about. Last ditch effort to save Slam then? Saying Slam reads is not useful I think. He spent no time talking in the thread. It is very odd that he jumped on you though instead of Kels/Shape unless they are partners. | ||
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I expected after the "just lynch me" to give him time. But surely there is not more than 3 mafia here. Pand/Ewya/Shape makes 4. So I need to feel nicer about somebody. It's just who. | ||
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On June 26 2019 14:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: If there is a vigilante btw they should absolutely always shoot Shapelog. He flips mafia, cool, he flips town lynch Kelsier because he has to be mafia, then Pandain and jock become pretty much hard cleared and the last mafia HAS to be in me and Eywa. You will have enough days to lynch both. Oh that would make this game far too easy! If I could clear Pandain I'd think about all this be done now. | ||
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On June 26 2019 14:59 Eversince wrote: Ewya might be the last. I'm stuck between Kels/ Pand. The they! both can't be mafia together right? Serious eventually my grammar/spelling will return! | ||
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On June 26 2019 14:37 Eversince wrote: They both where completely mia for eod. Possible that a mia mafia (assuming Pandain is town) didn't respond? Other than that no one other than you/HF even pushed for real on people. Yeah... I can believe both KS/Shape fucked right off and stayed that way. But Pandain's push away is wayyyyyy to convient so I have trouble. I don't think m!Pand would. I am trying to eliminate him. | ||
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On June 26 2019 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Another thing that bugs me about Pandain is that he still, after lynch, calls Grackaroni scum but Grack was one of the few people he tried to get on board onto another lynch. Like in what fucking world does pandain have more than 0% chance of convincing scum!grack to do what he wants if it's to switch from town to mafia? idk, maybe it's too insane to be scum, difinitely doesn't make any sense in any world. Believe I noted (extended conversation) on this already. Grack claim will sort itself out, | ||
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Ok thanks for answering. To me his content to that point didn't amount to much. He's completely fallen off the radar since. | ||
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On June 26 2019 15:52 Pandain wrote: Because Slam was completely AFK. And no one even posted anything regarding him, so it would not benefit town at all It would basically be like RNGing someone at the start of the day to die. At least you might be able to get some associative reads from your death. And again, in my mind Slam was nearly certain town. You are probably town. There's a big difference. I will always choose to lynch a "probable town" over a "near-certain" town, all other things held equal. Why was Slam "clertain town"? He has nothing in his 'big' filter to show his townie. He just buggered off and then got back 6 hours after deadline and was really mad, | ||
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On June 26 2019 16:01 Pandain wrote: like rayn you were literally just to me any other person that could have been lynched besides slam. that's all you were to me. i would always try to lynch someone other than slam in that case this post is so bleh, I will throw my vote on you over ANYONE else. Please Pand. | ||
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On June 26 2019 16:13 Pandain wrote: Objectively not true, I was defending you against HF and Eywa. I'll just repeat it one last time. I had a strong town read on you. I had a near-certain town read on Slam. Slam was AFK and could have no associative tales, you were active and had many people interacting with you. Your death would be more meaningful. With one minute to go I tried to change the lynch to you because it was better than Slam. If you don't believe this, that's okay. I get that it's suspicious, it's why I have half a mind to just sort of AFK and let myself die. Honestly if I was you guys I would always 100% lynch me. I pushed Kelsier. I pushed Grack. I pushed them hard. Rayn was not a lynch I wanted, it was something desperate I tried to do literally (literally!) last minute because I was near-certain Slam was town and yes, in that case, any other option is better. Ok, fair enough. | ||
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On June 26 2019 16:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i am, and was, asking you to explain why, in case i flip town? Assuming t!Rayn why kill him off? Mafia will shoot vet/confirm town. So Grack/HF/Rayn. This is pointless. | ||
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On June 26 2019 16:18 Pandain wrote: Many many people have interacted with you. That is not the case with Slam. At least with your death we could have gotten some reads on Eywa or Jock or other people. Did you miss the HF case? Phoo. | ||
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On June 26 2019 16:20 Pandain wrote: Having played mafia with Grack it's very very easily something he could have done. Like HF said, it's very unlikely there's a doctor in the first place, and if there was, mafia is pretty much screwed unless they can out the doctor. Mafia is screwed if there is a doctor because he can always protect HF who is a confirmed townie. Mafia always loses. In this (unlikely) case, trading a mafia for knowing who the doctor is - is not a bad play. If there is no doctor(most likely), then Grack can do a free fakeclaim. Why m!Grack in the first place then? I did talk to you about it. | ||
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On June 26 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote: He's confirmed town though so that information is not really useful. We already know HF's alignment He's confirmed town so ignore what informations he made? Then start a shitfight with Rayn about how no one interacted with him.. Right after you ignore all that came from the case from HF is not relevent. | ||
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On June 26 2019 16:31 Pandain wrote: No you're misunderstanding. I said: we might be able to get information on other people's alignments based on rayn's death. I pointed out eywa and jock. You then asked me, "aren't you ignoring HF's case" My response is: We don't need any information on HF's alignment. He is already confirmed town. If Rayn is town, great, HF was wrong. If Rayn is mafia - great, HF was right. It's not meaningful info because he's already town. Okok, to make sure I get it. Lynch anyone other than Slam (townread). Ignore the fact Rayn might actually be t!Rayn. If he gets mislynch the information is still useful than actually trying to kill mafia? Pand I was trying to be nice but I'm super sure your mafia. | ||
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On June 26 2019 16:40 Eversince wrote: I'm tunneling on him so bad but I think he is scum right now. "super sure" | ||
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On June 26 2019 16:41 Pandain wrote: Well you've been doing that since early day 1 so it's not anything new You give me terrible feelings . | ||
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On June 27 2019 04:55 Holyflare wrote: I don't think ff leaves out roleblocker again after the last game where he realised he should have put one in vs veteran. Setup never leaves out RB where there is t!HF (modconfirm) And a claimed t!Grack. though he claims vet now HF is not no one died. Either town has a doc or we have unclaimed Jailkeeper. | ||
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On June 27 2019 05:15 Holyflare wrote: So there's no rber even though ff knows to put one in? To me or Grack? | ||
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On June 27 2019 05:25 Eversince wrote: If mafia wasted RB on me great. I only tracker claimed to test your claim. Why claim vet now instead of doctor? @Grack by the way. | ||
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On June 27 2019 05:36 Grackaroni wrote: There's like a 99% chance I soaked the hit. It's not dumb for me to claim that. You know this makes so much sense to me if you fakeclaim doc to try to draw kp. I should give some townpoints. <3 Grack. | ||
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On June 27 2019 05:49 Holyflare wrote: I'm not saying it makes you mafia. I'm saying it plays to a mafia advantage to not kill anyone other than me because it leaves literally everyone in the game still a target and doesn't effect the amount of mislynches mafia need to win. They can then just rolecop you or whatever. I think announcing the amount of blues at the start of the game was a huge mistake though. You think m!Grack claimed doc and went with it? For no reason? Why? m!Grack only claims to sod chaos, didn't and pulled kp away from you. I think he's pretty short of being conf t!Grack! Zzzzzz.. | ||
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On June 27 2019 05:59 Holyflare wrote: Let me have my fun. I just want this game to be more fucking interesting than the entire mafia team being the afk shitters. I hope your right. That's boring. But evidence says mafia is a bunch of afk shitters. | ||
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On June 27 2019 06:04 Eywa- wrote: What is this narrative? 2 players who happen to be in the POE are said to have been AFK and did not submit a night kill? There's no way someone replaces in AND forgets to submit a night kill... He would certainly be told by the mod upon entry. *sigh* Mass claiming is bad today, if Grackaroni turns out to be mafia, we just lynch him closer to LyLo. Eversince shading me while calling me town is really awful. Almost seems like he's trying to line up my lynch while taking no responsibility. How is me not liking you scum reading me or Rayn, no reason, me setting you up for lynch? Yes. I think it's weak. I asked you about it. Weak. Now say more to continue to point out "I don't like this", and you still say it's wierd. Try so say I'm lynching you if I'm lynching you. I've flopped around a few times because mostly: I might have limited internet in a few hours now. Pand/Kels/Shape all look like strong options. Between you someone if not two have to be town. Me trying to decide does not make me mafia. You saying I'm shadowing you when I do might. | ||
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On June 27 2019 06:15 Pandain wrote: I want to clarify that me lynching rayn because it provided more information was not even the main reason why i voted. The main reason is that I was more certain, based on the ending votes, that Slam was town than I was certain than Rayn was town. The information was just a side thing. You claimed you vote Rayn becuase anyone other than Grack gives better information. We know that is false now. Don't change your story. | ||
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On June 27 2019 06:15 Eversince wrote: How is me not liking you scum reading me or Rayn, no reason, me setting you up for lynch? Yes. I think it's weak. I asked you about it. Weak. Now say more to continue to point out "I don't like this", and you still say it's wierd. Try so say I'm lynching you if I'm lynching you. I've flopped around a few times because mostly: I might have limited internet in a few hours now. Pand/Kels/Shape all look like strong options. Between you someone if not two have to be town. Me trying to decide does not make me mafia. You saying I'm shadowing you when I do might. This is exatly what I mean. You say some stuff. I try to engage you. You disspear forever. Wonder why I scum read you. | ||
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On June 27 2019 07:15 Pandain wrote: I feel like you don't even read my posts. This is why it's frustrating talking to you. I think there's like 10 more posts like this. I found these in a minute. Are you just choosing to spout out whatever comes out of your mouth without fact-checking or is it unintentional? We had a huge conversation into N1 that was you explaining you lynched into anyone off Slam. I don't see how that is me not reading your post. | ||
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On June 27 2019 11:31 Alakaslam wrote: I tried on Smashboards It did not work I am banned there I think I can direct you to a good forum if you speak tagalog. Otherwise your still dead, stop posting please! | ||
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On June 27 2019 12:22 Trfel wrote: I'm here, if a bit distracted. What's up? Oh that's ok! I am patient! Thoughts about what has happened? | ||
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On June 27 2019 12:35 Trfel wrote: Honestly I'm kinda thinking the same as raynpelikoneet, just reading and waiting for Shapelog/Koshi to play. It really does feel like the mafia team is all the afk's, though I've felt that way before and it's never been true before; though I think it's true this time. I still think it's almost certain at least one of Shapelog/Koshi is mafia, and just the way the game is going on doesn't necessarily make me feel like there's an active mafia presence.. You? Ok. I can't decide if Pandain is mafia. I've tried real hard. His actions make no sense other than his N1 start. But then he backtracks and doesn't respond to me. Ewya has been flighty whole time. Throw reads, no exploitation, mia. And wrose is those reads seem super opportunistic to me. Rayn get's tossed under a bus, kill him. I get 'questioned' (I don't think many people ever read me as mafia), kill her. She just seems to push on anything real heavy for the hmm 'no' reasons' It bothers me alot. Kels was mafia. Maby Koshi can change my mind because I've played with him bunches. It will be a grand effort though. I'd still lynch this slot NP. Agree again with you on Shapes. I'd lynch this guy today too NP. What I'm having such a hard time with is there must be town in there. I don't want to lynch town. So who is the mis-guides town and who is mafia? | ||
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On June 27 2019 13:07 Trfel wrote: My reasoning for being suspicious of Pandain is the same as Holyflare's, he's described it a few times. It's just really suspicious that he'd be wanting to kill anyone but Alakaslam, regardless of the rest of his play. I list those same things too. HF is better at it than me. | ||
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On June 27 2019 13:01 Eversince wrote: and I'm so foiled on Pandain please actually just explain where you get the read. I would appreciate this still. Just because it's tieing me up so bad. | ||
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On June 27 2019 14:00 Trfel wrote: This and this are the best explanations for why Pandain is likely mafia IMO. Just how his play seemed heavily motivated by protecting Alakaslam, who was mafia. I also really didn't like how Pandain voted for Grackaroni after he claimed his role. That's just not a good play for town, there is no reason to push a claimed player, and I highly doubt Pandain wouldn't know this. I once pushed someone who claimed when I was mafia and I paid the price for it. Something else I'm wondering about Pandain, what made him gain more confidence in his scumread of KelsierSC Day 1? + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + On June 24 2019 23:44 Pandain wrote: I think Rayn is mafia with kelsier On June 25 2019 20:54 Pandain wrote: (emphasis mine)Unfortunately I don't have too many useful opinions. Rayn's reasoning is convoluted enough that's it's hard to understand (and thus make judgments on) his arguments. I think Slam would actually be a fine lynch, just because I don't have a lot of convidence in anyone and better to lynch someone completely noncontributive. I agree Grack's roleclaim makes no sense, and I doubt he's doctor, but I'm unsure whether that makes him VT or mafia. I'm still going to keep my vote on Kelsier because I don't like his responses. I have strong town reads on you (eversince) and jock. Anyway feel free to push me but I honestly don't have more thoughts than that On June 26 2019 04:23 Pandain wrote: @HF if you're going to lynch a random, might as well lynch Kelsier. At least we know slam will spam up the thread later when he's free. Kelsier will just always be the same and be lynch bait every lynch in future even if town. On June 26 2019 04:43 Pandain wrote: Anyway I don't even know if I will defend myself much anyway. If I was you guys I would probably vote me anyway. Great news is that we lynch scum day 1 so mislynching me isn't a big deal. I'll just say that yeah I thought Slam was a decent lynch if we had no idea what to do, but I grew increasingly certain KSC was scum. And it still seemed unlikely to me especially later that with the votes this close a mafia would be lynched. And I think this is true, if even 2 mafia were active then it would have been easy to force another lynch. But yeah anyway sometimes in mafia you're wrong and you end up hard-defending the mafia with three minutes to go. What you gonna do To me, Pandain's increased suspicion of KelsierSC seems to come out of nowhere, it feels fabricated. His initial vote honestly feels like a pressure vote, then he seems to treat him not too differently from a random lynch. I just don't understand what would make him get increasingly more confident that KelsierSC was mafia over time, and more importantly I don't see that reflected in his posts, until after Alakaslam became the leading wagon. Also, I just noticed Pandain stopped being suspicious of KelsierSC and Shapelog, huh? + Show Spoiler [More analysis] + On June 26 2019 19:25 Pandain wrote: (along with many similar posts and explanations for why at least one of KelsierSC/Shapelog have to be mafia)Honestly the slam post on Eywa puts me against thinking he's scum, which is why I'm pretty certain there's at least one (if not both) scum between Kelsier and Shape. On June 26 2019 19:12 Pandain wrote: In my opinion, Eversince is practically confirmed town. Jock, Rayn, and Trefel are 98% town. Grack and Ewya are null to slightly town. Keslier and Shape are likely mafia. On June 26 2019 21:04 Pandain wrote: I'm upgrading Kels to a null-read and downgrading Shape to a slight scum read. Also making Grack null. On June 27 2019 07:19 Pandain wrote: What is this read progression? He went from Shapelog and KelsierSC as mafia to null on KelsierSC (!) and downgrading (!!!) Shapelog to a slight scum read, while previously thinking Shapelog was mafia.Extremely extremely town read on Grack that will never change unless/until more people claim. So that leaves Shape/Kelsier/Eywa/Jock for last possible scum. Don't think the last two are scum, but it's possible. First two options are afkers so it's hard so it's basically a coin flip maybe between the two. Honestly though I haven't done a heavy enough analysis to choose which one I will definitely pick, so I will analyze all the four tomorrow hopefully. Honestly I don't know what to to think of this, it feels mafia-motivated, like he started to doubt and then followed the thread sentiment. But sometimes I feel like town is more likely to mess up like this rather than mafia, as mafia is more careful... Pandain, I'd definitely like to know what was going on with this post, if possible. Looking back on Pandain's filter, he really hasn't done that much work... He's been very active, probably the most active player in the game (particularly Night 1), but there hasn't been much real thought there. Mostly he's just been defending himself and explaining things again, often things that other players have been saying too. Admittedly there isn't much new information to analyze or much original thought to be had, but that doesn't entirely excuse him. All that to say I'm pretty suspicious of Pandain, which is nothing new, but if you wanted words, here are words. Thanks ! Yeah I think you are so town it hurts, I wanted somebody elses perspective. Maby Pand/Kels(Koshi).? Make sense then? | ||
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On June 27 2019 14:11 Trfel wrote: Eywa- time. Raynpelikoneet scumread analysis That seems like quite a contradiction. He's saying that raynpelikoneet had a cautious start with a bunch of non-committal posts. I don't see this at all from raynpelikoneet's play: raynpelikoneet had some hard townreads early on, willing to defend them, which Eywa- even mentions. That's not non-committal, that's highly committed... Really that's the only notable thing I see from Eywa-. Also, I noticed that Eywa- was not around for the lynch, and wasn't around for the Alakaslam wagon at all. This means he's effectively in the same group as Shapelog and KelsierSC as an inactive mafia who couldn't do anything to divert the lynch from Alakaslam. And I mentioned before how it felt like he (she?) was hiding behind Holyflare for the raynpelikoneet push. Honestly could see Pandain/Eywa- being the remaining two mafia. It would be nice to get more from Koshi and Shapelog, I would really appreciate more information to try and better read those slots. Alright but Koshi slot then being lost town. Ewya's post have seemed ok to me so far until I got tired and re-filtered. Then I started to be done with it. Icould see this team 100% too. | ||
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Obvious reason is Kels REALLY had to leave. | ||
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On June 27 2019 14:42 Trfel wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this a good reason to be suspicious of Pandain? If it is as you say? I could definitely see that mafia team being a possibility but currently I think Pandain is the best individual shot at being mafia so he gets my vote. I would like to think more about Eywa-, they could maybe be worth considering for today, and I really am not opposed to lynching Shapelog just for maximum fun. Can I ask how you feel Eywa- is pushing a mafia agenda? To me it feels like he's only pushing raynpelikoneet, and otherwise not doing a ton. Just trying to understand what you mean by that exactly. Ewya trying to find simple lynch targets with thread sentiment, No work required. I'll be more specific if you don't get my reasoning from earlier post (or I can quote earlier post). | ||
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On June 27 2019 14:43 Trfel wrote: Mostly because I townread jockmcplop last game and he was mafia, at a glance I don't see any difference from his play there in this game. How could I not be at least a little suspicious of him? I don't have many good reasons why he's town either, why is everyone else townreading him so easily? I don't meta usually. He's involved at least. Not killing town so t!Jock. My reasons at least. | ||
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On June 27 2019 14:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still think Pandain is town for his completely insane eod and the idiotic explanation for it. Like it's so idiotic i actually believe him.... I actually liked Pandain early N1 too. Who are your reads Rayn? | ||
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On June 27 2019 14:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: [/green]Pandain can be mafia with Shapelog though.[green[ I think there is merit in calling his chaotic eod scummy despite reasoning in case shapelog turns out mafia because pandain tried to push every other current wagon except for shapelog one. Hell he pushed his townread (me) over null-read (shapelog). I've spent so much time waffling over Pand I'll take anyone elses opinion and think about it. | ||
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@Rayn I agree with your point on Pandain I am waffled so bad on him I'd love anyone elses input on it. | ||
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On June 27 2019 15:07 Trfel wrote: Bleh, this makes sense and is probably right, I just want to have some fun And what's a mafia game without paranoia?Solve game. Be Happy . | ||
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On June 27 2019 15:14 Trfel wrote: I still can't completely discount the possibility of KelsierSC and Pandain being mafia together though?In the time approaching End of Day, this is the first time that Pandain pushes anyone other than KelsierSC. Note the time, two minutes to End of Day. There's no time to try pushing Shapelog or one of the other wagons. Given the vote count before Pandain's vote switch to raynpelikoneet, as follows: vote count day 1 Alakaslam: (3) eversince, holyflare, Trfel Shapelog: (2) raynpelikoneet, Eversince: (0) KelsierSC: (2) Grackaroni: (0) Raynpelikoneet: (1) Pandain: (0) Not Voting: Alakaslam Shapelog KelsierSC Who could Pandain vote for, if he's trying to save Alakaslam at all costs? Voting for Shapelog would put Shapelog at three votes, and Alakaslam would still be lynched as he was at three votes first. Voting for raynpelikoneet only puts him at two votes, but there's a chance that he could get Holyflare to switch votes, which would give the raynpelikoneet wagon the best chance of saving Alakaslam. And there wasn't time to try pushing both raynpelikoneet and Shapelog. Kels and Shape team could move votes. They can't move together without outing themselves. | ||
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On June 27 2019 15:24 Trfel wrote: Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by this? KelsierSC and Shapelog were presumably MIA and couldn't vote? m!Pand switches off Slam, m!Kels pulls off Slam. Your entire team just got dedicated to moving the lynch off Slam. Town lynches one of you. Even with a town on the wagon, hard to put the rest together? (I'm bad at analisis so excuse me if I come off at short, please I don't mean too.) | ||
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On June 27 2019 15:31 Eversince wrote: m!Pand switches off Slam, m!Kels pulls off Slam. Your entire team just got dedicated to moving the lynch off Slam. Town lynches one of you. Even with a town on the wagon, hard to put the rest together? (I'm bad at analisis so excuse me if I come off at short, please I don't mean too.) Which makes sense with a mafia lead wagon or a close draw. But as votes were it make absolutely no sense. | ||
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On June 27 2019 15:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: the thing imo is that there is no information to be gained from a town lynch on D1. Literally. Whoever claims otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. Had town lynched let's say me, they cannot still know if my reads are good or not (usually the reads are not believed because if they were why would you lynch me in the first place if my reads are good?). Noone can know if the people who switched are town or mafia and if they can explain their motivation reasonably, you have no way telling if they were jsut wrong or if they are mafia. TLDR; it doesn't really matter if your team dedicates onto a town lynch D1, especially since the game is 8v3 which makes it D3 lylo. It's better to just keep town in the dark (aka lynch townies) that to try get credit bussing your teammates because otherwise you might get caught some other day. Yes but assuming you have a bunch of mia scum friends suddenly show up to move there vote and then town catches you? You're fucked. | ||
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Yes. Eywa trying to pick any hint of a bone to base a read on. Then she tries to kill people with it (or just jump on wagons like she did for yourself D1). She holds onto those easy reads and sorrily she picked me and you. We'll just say shut the hell up lady! Here is why! | ||
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On June 27 2019 06:15 Eversince wrote: How is me not liking you scum reading me or Rayn, no reason, me setting you up for lynch? Yes. I think it's weak. I asked you about it. Weak. Now say more to continue to point out "I don't like this", and you still say it's wierd. Try so say I'm lynching you if I'm lynching you. I've flopped around a few times because mostly: I might have limited internet in a few hours now. Pand/Kels/Shape all look like strong options. Between you someone if not two have to be town. Me trying to decide does not make me mafia. You saying I'm shadowing you when I do might. Like this post. I try to explain my read. Nothing for a reasponce but 'this makes you mafia?; I was trying to townread Eywa before her relentless push of me never ended. If I'm not obvious town to anyone yet freakin' talk to me. I've made a serious effort to be about. | ||
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On June 27 2019 16:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jesus slam, please move the conversation to community thread already.... I'm not even going to respond to him here. I recommend you do the same. | ||
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I didn't want to rush you. Take me freaking days to read and digest 10-15+ pages. Thoughts on Eywa? | ||
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On June 27 2019 16:38 Jockmcplop wrote: OK you're right you wanted a vigi to kill shapelog. I get the difference, but for me that idea works just as well using a lynch on shapelog (given that we have mucho time now to do what we want and get a nice solid PoE going). Assuming we have vig, Kill on Shape would of dropped two mafia. So I get it. | ||
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On June 27 2019 16:40 Holyflare wrote: I can't find and don't know what your pandain/eywa thing is other than the eywa poe point but I think eywa is the kind of person that just doesn't care so much about logic like that. Pandain/kelsier is what I just talked about so yeah. Look back about 4? pages. Me and Rayn talked and I talked real heavy on Eywa/Pandain right before, | ||
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On June 27 2019 16:43 Holyflare wrote: I think both shape and kelsier are town Ok, who then? | ||
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I went into work last night, so forewarned everyone: I'm stupid tired and probably will sleep soon. | ||
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To try to help you understand. | ||
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On June 28 2019 01:47 Holyflare wrote: So this game is very boring and koshi is just mafia right? Likely. | ||
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I think the whole Shape getting modkilled as a reason to not kill him is valid but game breaking. Town doesn't have the lynches to waste. He's not replaced, been scummy all game, so scum. Koshi came into thread, refuses to actually read thread, leaves. Scum. Eywa has cast stupid arguments about me and hasn't explains her reads which is I think highly doubtful but I could pass on her today too. She hasn't tried to really push those reads. Because I'll fight her off the side of a cliff, or she is just trying to figure out the game, I don't know. I've said enough about this in the thread so anyone can see. Grack never claims as mafia D1 where he did. No point in it. I thought he was trying to take kp. Mafia probably shot HF/Grack. Grack being vet makes sense since I think his objective was to take kp anyway. About it I think. | ||
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On June 28 2019 03:36 Grackaroni wrote: Who was the other blue? Me. I actually am town tracker. I claimed it as a fakeclaim but I crumbed a few times beforehand. Well played town. | ||
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On June 28 2019 03:38 Fecalfeast wrote: Eversince the tracker she forgot to submit an action/had connection issues Yeah I'm still having a fit over that. I sent a PM to you but I guess it never went through. | ||
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On June 28 2019 03:38 Fecalfeast wrote: Also apparently someone reported slam to tl staff for posting after death. We try not to use the official tl mods for anything if we can help it. I appreciate people wanting the game rules to be adhered to but we deal with these things internally until it's absolutely necessary to contact staff. We get a lot of leeway here, including having filter capability that is only available on other subforums as a paid feature. The staff were not upset and when I spoke to kadaverbb he was happy to remove the modnote. This is solely coming from me. I'm sorry this was me aswell. I was about over him disrupting the thread continuously. He just seemed to be trashing things out of spite but I'll remember this for future reference. | ||
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On June 28 2019 03:45 Jockmcplop wrote: aww yeah good call FF Seems this one was beset by bad luck from the beginning. A couple of hours later on the deadline and it might have worked. gg all Yeah timing issues all around. Mafia team rolling timeslots they can't work with is a sad part of life with forum mafia in general. (Or town/ whatever). But it's one of the reasons I express so hard that when I'm mia, I'm really gone/don't have access. I will never lie about it. | ||
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On June 28 2019 03:48 Jockmcplop wrote: The mod will remove the modnote its ok (he wouldn't have been banned anyway probably just a warning but they can be removed easily). Ok good, sorry I didn't know what to do and he posted again after posting in a couple other places. I didn't expect he would stay upset so long and then did something stupid. | ||
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If you make a new game I might be able to play again. I use a hotspot from my library here. It needs to go back tomorrow so depends if I can re-rent it. I'd love to play again though. This was fun. | ||
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On June 28 2019 04:11 Pandain wrote: Thanks koshi for subbing This: Kosher I'm sorry we didn't get to play! Been far too long! | ||
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On June 28 2019 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: For the record heres a hint for future; If i am mafia tgis game there is never a world where i am not voting kelsier at eod. I am never going to possibly sacrifice myself over any other player as mafia D1, even if it means putting my vote on scumbuddy. What's tgia mean? And nothing about how you defended Kelser made you scum so I think that is fine. I'm only back awake for a minute to bring horses in. Sorry if I don't respond later. | ||
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Thanks FF for hosting! I was tied up on otherthing and forgot to say. | ||
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On June 28 2019 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: ES, tgis = this just misspelled Thanks. I think it was ok FF. Balaning 3 mafia against* 8 town is kind of hard. I don't know if it was the best choice to number blues but what do I know about balancing game?(Nothin'!) | ||
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On June 28 2019 06:16 Pandain wrote: I thought Jock, Rayn, ES also did a great job at establishing they were clearly town. That's oftentimes just as important as being good at finding scum. Made the game a lot easier. Sorry for foiling on you so hard to. I thought you were scum so hard. Then realized someone had to be out on my list. Then it was Pandain isn't posting scum agenda that makes sense. HF comment late in the game made my head hurt because I didn't want to foil on you anymore. | ||
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On June 28 2019 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i somehow didnt because i was almost lynched. I would have dumped my vote on about anyone other than you to save you. Your whole D1 lynch was senseless. | ||
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On June 28 2019 06:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i defended mafia. But i also made one case i think was pretty good and also on mafia. Yes but going back and looking at your reasons for defending Kels at the time are not a driving factor there I think. Town has to take the time to work things out and you eventually did. Your early Shape case wasn't loved by some by I thought it was good, turns out it was. Still good town play to me. | ||
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