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On June 27 2019 18:31 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:09 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 18:04 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:57 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.
I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance. We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense? Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims) That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain? I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it. On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.
It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.
Dumb though. He just says he was drawing a shot and is vt and then what? I don't understand what you are saying here You're saying grack is confirmed town because regardless of if he got shot or not he wouldn't claim as mafia? What happens when you find out end game that no shot happened, grack rescinds his claim day 2 and claims vt just trying to draw a shot and there's a jk or something? You just jump to him being town and don't think of any possible mafia strategy that they absolutely need to have in a 3 confirmed town game with a named townie and 1 mafia dead. grack is literally never mafia here. it's way too likely there is another protective role that could counterclaim.
Case in point. You speak in absolutes. I don't like it. Grack can easily be mafia. It's a stretch but he's never confirmed town here ever.
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On June 27 2019 18:37 Pandain wrote:
ok sure but im angry so i dont think rational.
also to be frank no one on the slam lynch can take credit for it because it was deliberately a "i have no idea what to do so lynch someone afk"
This isn't true. I went for the most amiable lynch in a pool of people that were scum reads. Narrowing down town reads and lynching into a pool isn't just rng and hope, it increases the odds of hitting mafia by a lot. Everyone was looking at least a bit townie.
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On June 27 2019 18:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:31 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 18:09 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 18:04 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:57 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.
I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance. We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense? Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims) That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain? I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it. On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.
It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.
Dumb though. He just says he was drawing a shot and is vt and then what? I don't understand what you are saying here You're saying grack is confirmed town because regardless of if he got shot or not he wouldn't claim as mafia? What happens when you find out end game that no shot happened, grack rescinds his claim day 2 and claims vt just trying to draw a shot and there's a jk or something? You just jump to him being town and don't think of any possible mafia strategy that they absolutely need to have in a 3 confirmed town game with a named townie and 1 mafia dead. grack is literally never mafia here. it's way too likely there is another protective role that could counterclaim. Case in point. You speak in absolutes. I don't like it. Grack can easily be mafia. It's a stretch but he's never confirmed town here ever.
dont be dumb...
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On June 27 2019 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 18:31 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 18:09 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 18:04 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:57 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.
I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance. We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense? Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims) That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain? I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it. On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.
It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.
Dumb though. He just says he was drawing a shot and is vt and then what? I don't understand what you are saying here You're saying grack is confirmed town because regardless of if he got shot or not he wouldn't claim as mafia? What happens when you find out end game that no shot happened, grack rescinds his claim day 2 and claims vt just trying to draw a shot and there's a jk or something? You just jump to him being town and don't think of any possible mafia strategy that they absolutely need to have in a 3 confirmed town game with a named townie and 1 mafia dead. grack is literally never mafia here. it's way too likely there is another protective role that could counterclaim. Case in point. You speak in absolutes. I don't like it. Grack can easily be mafia. It's a stretch but he's never confirmed town here ever. dont be dumb...
If grack is mafia in this game i am gonna take the person who didnt cc him and make them eat my shoe in front of you in england. fucking promised.
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On June 27 2019 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 18:31 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 18:09 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 18:04 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:57 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.
I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance. We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense? Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims) That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain? I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it. On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.
It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.
Dumb though. He just says he was drawing a shot and is vt and then what? I don't understand what you are saying here You're saying grack is confirmed town because regardless of if he got shot or not he wouldn't claim as mafia? What happens when you find out end game that no shot happened, grack rescinds his claim day 2 and claims vt just trying to draw a shot and there's a jk or something? You just jump to him being town and don't think of any possible mafia strategy that they absolutely need to have in a 3 confirmed town game with a named townie and 1 mafia dead. grack is literally never mafia here. it's way too likely there is another protective role that could counterclaim. Case in point. You speak in absolutes. I don't like it. Grack can easily be mafia. It's a stretch but he's never confirmed town here ever. dont be dumb...
Not really dumb but we'll see. I agree it's a big stretch of the imagination and a massive play but I'm absolutely not ruling it out.
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On June 27 2019 18:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 18:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 18:31 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 18:09 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 18:04 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:57 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:
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We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense?
Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims)
That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain? I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it. On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.
It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.
Dumb though. He just says he was drawing a shot and is vt and then what? I don't understand what you are saying here You're saying grack is confirmed town because regardless of if he got shot or not he wouldn't claim as mafia? What happens when you find out end game that no shot happened, grack rescinds his claim day 2 and claims vt just trying to draw a shot and there's a jk or something? You just jump to him being town and don't think of any possible mafia strategy that they absolutely need to have in a 3 confirmed town game with a named townie and 1 mafia dead. grack is literally never mafia here. it's way too likely there is another protective role that could counterclaim. Case in point. You speak in absolutes. I don't like it. Grack can easily be mafia. It's a stretch but he's never confirmed town here ever. dont be dumb... Not really dumb but we'll see. I agree it's a big stretch of the imagination and a massive play but I'm absolutely not ruling it out.
is it really you playing or your gf or friend or something? i know you stretch things but in another direction (or universe) from what i know...
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FF can you modkill HF because he doesn't sound like HF at all.
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On June 27 2019 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FF can you modkill HF because he doesn't sound like HF at all.
Are you kidding?
This game is a meta goldmine for hf.
This is what happens when he can't do all his usual stuff.
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This game is fucking boring lol. I'm confirmed town and the 2 people everyone thinks are mafia are literally modkills and there was no night kill. I couldn't think of a more mundane scenario.
So I'll live in a world where there's a chance mafia grack made a play, however unlikely, just because it's more fun to. I don't currently think he's mafia but it's whatever. It's fun!
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On June 27 2019 19:09 Holyflare wrote:
This game is fucking boring lol. I'm confirmed town and the 2 people everyone thinks are mafia are literally modkills and there was no night kill. I couldn't think of a more mundane scenario.
So I'll live in a world where there's a chance mafia grack made a play, however unlikely, just because it's more fun to. I don't currently think he's mafia but it's whatever. It's fun!
i see your point. unfortunately most of the latest games have ended up with mafia being in the modkillable group and i have had many bad hair days because i didnt want to believe it (i lost and i blame myself for it). so fuck inactives kill them if other people look town.
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On June 27 2019 19:09 Holyflare wrote:
This game is fucking boring lol. I'm confirmed town and the 2 people everyone thinks are mafia are literally modkills and there was no night kill. I couldn't think of a more mundane scenario.
So I'll live in a world where there's a chance mafia grack made a play, however unlikely, just because it's more fun to. I don't currently think he's mafia but it's whatever. It's fun!
The thought of a grack/rayn mafia team here still amuses me greatly. I'm like, completely sure that it isn't the case but man that would be some extreme mafia play.
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rels even had the balls to come tell me how he "fooled me" by posting nothing and risking a modkill one game where he was scum. like fuck, so fucking shit.
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No respect for mafia that play under the radar. Just relies on other townies being shit and able to blend.
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On June 27 2019 19:16 Holyflare wrote:
No respect for mafia that play under the radar. Just relies on other townies being shit and able to blend.
I agree completely. Also that's prolly why i have probably the lowest winrate as town on TL or something. For the nine first years or so i chose to never believe this is the case because it's no fun game.
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last game was good though. aside from people modkilling themselves and bugs burying the thread with million posts of nonsense.
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The problem I have with hfs line of thinking here is that the game isn't boring because town are doing boring stuff. The boring stuff is.most likely cos mafia are afk/lurking. If you try too hard to force an entertaining game town will lose because you're looking for things that probably aren't there and distracting from what is basically the most reasonable strategy for a town win.
It doesn't really matter what the most fun mafia pairing would be if its most likely just the afk players.
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Well stop it and just do what you're told
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On June 27 2019 20:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
The problem I have with hfs line of thinking here is that the game isn't boring because town are doing boring stuff. The boring stuff is.most likely cos mafia are afk/lurking. If you try too hard to force an entertaining game town will lose because you're looking for things that probably aren't there and distracting from what is basically the most reasonable strategy for a town win.
It doesn't really matter what the most fun mafia pairing would be if its most likely just the afk players.
but you just said grack + rayn would amuse you?
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like why do you do just what HF did and then basically tell him he is stupid for what he did?
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