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On June 27 2019 18:20 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 18:14 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 18:05 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh i am going to bounce ideas here HF if that's okay? I am not sure i can stay awake enough to actually make a educated decision. Why don't jock + pandain on at least some level agree to shapelog D1 (or if they did, why didn't they use it when the shit hit the fan)? No idea :D I do think it's much more likely to just be pandain shapelog since if shape was town I'd think it would be a much better pile to jump on if I was mafia trying to save my buddy. He did only have 2 minutes though so not really sure he could have swayed people. That's why pandain vote on you is so ridiculously opportune. There's no way he goes out of his way to lynch his town read (you) for information™ over just slam who he said was a good lynch or shapelog who 2 people were already voting (you, his town read, and grack his mafia read so lots more info!). This means he knew thread sentiment. He knew I could try and be swayed and he knew I was on his partner so he goes for the most opportune switch possible. Dude you guys don't fucking read. It's not just about information and I would never lynch someone just based on information. It was the fact that at the end of the day I was certain slam was town. I was not certain about Rayn. the problem is you wanted to lynch me (town read) over shapelog (null read). and you have yet to explain why. you pushed all the other wagons except for shapelog, and i dont know why, since i was your townread and shapelog was not. I would definitely have voted shape. Problem is that even if I did he would not have had enough votes to be lynched because it would be tied 3-3 with slam reaching 3 first
why did you try to convince HF to vote for me over Shapelog? Did HF ever say Shapelog is town?
Even if he did, ans i know he was possibly moving onto me, why did you try to convince him of lynching your townread over a null read (based on your principles you showed on Slam if we assume you're town here).
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On June 27 2019 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:20 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 18:14 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 18:05 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh i am going to bounce ideas here HF if that's okay? I am not sure i can stay awake enough to actually make a educated decision. Why don't jock + pandain on at least some level agree to shapelog D1 (or if they did, why didn't they use it when the shit hit the fan)? No idea :D I do think it's much more likely to just be pandain shapelog since if shape was town I'd think it would be a much better pile to jump on if I was mafia trying to save my buddy. He did only have 2 minutes though so not really sure he could have swayed people. That's why pandain vote on you is so ridiculously opportune. There's no way he goes out of his way to lynch his town read (you) for information™ over just slam who he said was a good lynch or shapelog who 2 people were already voting (you, his town read, and grack his mafia read so lots more info!). This means he knew thread sentiment. He knew I could try and be swayed and he knew I was on his partner so he goes for the most opportune switch possible. Dude you guys don't fucking read. It's not just about information and I would never lynch someone just based on information. It was the fact that at the end of the day I was certain slam was town. I was not certain about Rayn. the problem is you wanted to lynch me (town read) over shapelog (null read). and you have yet to explain why. you pushed all the other wagons except for shapelog, and i dont know why, since i was your townread and shapelog was not. I would definitely have voted shape. Problem is that even if I did he would not have had enough votes to be lynched because it would be tied 3-3 with slam reaching 3 first why did you try to convince HF to vote for me over Shapelog? Did HF ever say Shapelog is town? Even if he did, ans i know he was possibly moving onto me, why did you try to convince him of lynching your townread over a null read (based on your principles you showed on Slam if we assume you're town here).
listen bud I pushed hard for kelsier and grack for 47 hours and 59 minutes of the first day. The last minute (even the last 30 seconds) I just tried to find
If I had made a post like "want to lynch shape" when HF had actively been against lynching shape (case in point: he decided to go for a complete null read in slam) it would never work.
You can say that I was trying to defend slam because I'm mafia. That's fine logic. But don't say stuff like "you could have done something else" because in my perspective, where I am 100% sure slam is town, I did the only things i could.
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i didnt finish the first paragraph but im sure you get my point
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On June 27 2019 18:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:04 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:57 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.
I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance. We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense? Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims) That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain? I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it. On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.
It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.
Dumb though. He just says he was drawing a shot and is vt and then what? I don't understand what you are saying here You're saying grack is confirmed town because regardless of if he got shot or not he wouldn't claim as mafia? What happens when you find out end game that no shot happened, grack rescinds his claim day 2 and claims vt just trying to draw a shot and there's a jk or something? You just jump to him being town and don't think of any possible mafia strategy that they absolutely need to have in a 3 confirmed town game with a named townie and 1 mafia dead.
grack is literally never mafia here. it's way too likely there is another protective role that could counterclaim.
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that doesnt answer the question.
where was HF ever heavily against lynching Shape?
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On June 27 2019 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
that doesnt answer the question.
where was HF ever heavily against lynching Shape?
On June 26 2019 04:17 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 04:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Hey HF I’ll make a deal with you. If you lynch Shapelog and he flips town I will join the rayn train tomorrow. :O Just quote your post where you scum read shapelog because I don't agree with Rayn's.
Read this. He actively went against voting shape.
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and read grack's first comment
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in the spoiler i mean in the above post
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fine i agree you might be telling the truth.
still you have no credibility to trash on HF this game just because he scumreads you because he lynched mafia and you were trash at eod.
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ok sure but im angry so i dont think rational.
also to be frank no one on the slam lynch can take credit for it because it was deliberately a "i have no idea what to do so lynch someone afk"
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Like no one had a "Good play there" it was a lazy option. and honestly a waste after a lot of good day 1 discussion. He just happened to RNG mafia, but there was no way to tell because he was completely afk
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Where's koshi??
I have barely been called stupid this whole game and its disappointing.
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On June 27 2019 18:37 Pandain wrote:
also to be frank no one on the slam lynch can take credit for it because it was deliberately a "i have no idea what to do so lynch someone afk"
which is exactly why everyone can take credit for it. everyone who voted for slam could have just done whatever the fuck you did and be "townie" because "wooooo we get no info for a afk lynch".
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On June 27 2019 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:37 Pandain wrote:
also to be frank no one on the slam lynch can take credit for it because it was deliberately a "i have no idea what to do so lynch someone afk" which is exactly why everyone can take credit for it. everyone who voted for slam could have just done whatever the fuck you did and be "townie" because "wooooo we get no info for a afk lynch".
Ok sure HF is town, but we already knew that because he's confirmed. Doesn't make the play good.
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i admit if trfel and ES voted for Shapelog over slam it would have been nicer because i would get to say "fuck you" to almost everyone. 
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On June 27 2019 18:42 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 18:37 Pandain wrote:
also to be frank no one on the slam lynch can take credit for it because it was deliberately a "i have no idea what to do so lynch someone afk" which is exactly why everyone can take credit for it. everyone who voted for slam could have just done whatever the fuck you did and be "townie" because "wooooo we get no info for a afk lynch". Ok sure HF is town, but we already knew that because he's confirmed. Doesn't make the play good.
i dont understand any of this.
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Look Pandain. I have no idea why you say:
also to be frank no one on the slam lynch can take credit for it
Trfel and ES as mafia could easily (in your opinion) do the same fucking bullshit things you did at eod and even one of them being mafia playing a headless chicken guarantees a non-mafia lynch. So this makes no sense at all.
If you're irritated by HF, don't do as i do, do as i say. Keep your calm, take a break and then come back. Right now you aren't making much sense and not doing any good for yourself.
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I'm done posting. Going to afk for the rest of the day. I made my opinions clear, if you don't know them then reread my filter. If you think it's unrealistic, that's okay. If you think it's less likely than me being mafia, that's also okay. It's what this game is, trying to decide what you think is best.
If Shape still hasn't posted by end of day and will be modkilled I will change my vote to Kelsier/Koshi (because for reasons ive already stated we win 100% of the time if they are both dead by N2).
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On June 27 2019 18:23 Pandain wrote:
Like HF you have been so wrong every single of the last 4/5 games I've played with you. And it's for the same reasons every time, you get crazy tunneled on people and refuse to look outside the box.
And I will be wrong again all the time. You're not up for lynch currently so it doesn't really matter does it?
I never said I was a good town player, I'm just outspoken and piece together the puzzles for people to follow. I'm not solely responsible for your lynch, there are many people in this game and if they follow me it is because they agree at some point with me also.
I'm not even tunneled, I'm quite relaxed and easy going currently. I'm not spamming for your lynch and realise there are probably alternatives that are likely mafia also but to me this is the lynch I will most likely settle on.
Sorry if you're town, you did a bad play to save mafia and if slam was town I would think completely the opposite to how I feel now. Bad luck if you are.
You need to put yourself in my shoes. I've seen a person hard defend mafia to lynch one of their town reads - thay they said was for information but now have changed it after everyone called you out to you town reading slam.
I don't think town reading slam makes any sense. Who was being lynched before slam was? Everyone.. You have me as confirmed town voting slam and 2 people you don't even scum read voting slam (who has posted nothing!) and now you're saying you were convinced slam was town but don't give any reasons why.
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Also still, you dont get to tell how bad HF is this game when he lynched mafia. He's at least 1/4 of his scumreads. 
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