EPTI'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance.
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Pandain 09-26-2013 11:40 PM ET (US) You clearly have never read any of my mafia games. It's not about Town cred, it's about logic, aggression, and bandwagoning town. I dont think people change, at least people dont change what's working, and that has been working for pandain as mafia. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote: Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning. I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance. We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense? Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims) That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote: Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning. I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance. - there are no more than 1 protective role, ever (this has been discussed already) - grack has claimed a protective role - there are 3 blues in the game - the blue claims ARE gonna come out - if there is another protective role (come D2 they SHOULD have gotten a nice hit on either protecting someone (HF) or nailing scum (if jailing offensively)), they should come out RIGHT NOW. And that means Grackaroni is dead, if not today then tomorrow. Like there is no reason why Grackaroni claims like that in the first place as mafia, and there certainly is no reason why he hasn't been cc'd in case he is mafia after no-kill. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote: That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. That's incorrect. You/Eywa/Koshi/Shape should claim if they are blue. Not jock who almost noone is scumreading. Mafia already knows i am not blue. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote: We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense? Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims) That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. This does make sense actually yeah. So the last blue needs to claim to confirm grack really, but he's most likely town just on the back of his claim(s). OK. I don't know why I have this feeling about grack. I think its irrational paranoia, but the gut feeling is still there even though it really looks like he's town. Of course, if we do end up just lynching our way through that list it doesn't matter one bit either way cos we're probably gonna win anyway. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote: We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense? Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims) That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay which of those other three can he be mafia with and why? If Jock is mafia Eywa probably is. Almost certainly not with Kelsier. Also unlikely with shape, though I won't rule it out. I would rather lynch Trfel than believe a Jock-Kelsier team. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain? I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it. On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote: Brilliant Grack. It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare, can you please give me the scumpartner(s) outside Shapelog Pandain is / can be mafia with? I promise to look very closely there because i would love to lynch the shit out of him if he is scum jsut because he fucking tried to kill me over Slam and Shapelog. + Show Spoiler + Pandain 09-26-2013 11:40 PM ET (US) You clearly have never read any of my mafia games. It's not about Town cred, it's about logic, aggression, and bandwagoning town. I dont think people change, at least people dont change what's working, and that has been working for pandain as mafia. With pandain: Eywa/jock most likely. Jock's posts have been less and less impressive since slam flipped. I haven't really thought about it to be honest so don't want to rule anyone else out yet. Everything is open. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote: I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it. I know, you magically realised it right after someone absorbed a shot. It's like almost way too convenient. What you just said has been said for ages but only after there is a no-kill you are able to realise it. And also after that, jock magically appears in your "possible scum pile". When you should have no reason to call him mafia over lets say me. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote: With pandain: Eywa/jock most likely. Jock's posts have been less and less impressive since slam flipped. I haven't really thought about it to be honest so don't want to rule anyone else out yet. Everything is open. I can agree with jock being mafia with pandain. I will check if that makes sense thread-sentiment-wise after i have slept (still havent after night shift). I heavily disagree with Pandain+Eywa combo. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:45 Pandain wrote: If Jock is mafia Eywa probably is. Almost certainly not with Kelsier. Also unlikely with shape, though I won't rule it out. I would rather lynch Trfel than believe a Jock-Kelsier team. I don't know how anyone could even entertain the possibility of me being mafia with either shapelog or kelsier to be honest. I null read shapelog for a while but I've been pushing hard to lynch him since yesterday. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know, you magically realised it right after someone absorbed a shot. It's like almost way too convenient. What you just said has been said for ages but only after there is a no-kill you are able to realise it. And also after that, jock magically appears in your "possible scum pile". When you should have no reason to call him mafia over lets say me. I don't think it was ever said. I still don't think jock is scum. He's just less Towny than trfel es or you. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can agree with jock being mafia with pandain. I will check if that makes sense thread-sentiment-wise after i have slept (still havent after night shift). I heavily disagree with Pandain+Eywa combo. I can see where this line of thought comes from, although I genuinely had the feeling day 1 that Pandain was buddying me pretty hard, which would be massively unsubtle if we were both mafia, no? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:52 Pandain wrote: I don't think it was ever said. I still don't think jock is scum. He's just less Towny than trfel es or you. Not in those exact words but yes it was. Why am i not mafia with Kelsier? Why is my whole play not mafia if Kelsier is mafia? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote: I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it. Dumb though. He just says he was drawing a shot and is vt and then what? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On June 27 2019 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can agree with jock being mafia with pandain. I will check if that makes sense thread-sentiment-wise after i have slept (still havent after night shift). I heavily disagree with Pandain+Eywa combo. I still don't understand the pandain eywa thing. | ||
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