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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 25 2019 14:55 GMT
#381
Well i need to make dinner and shit. HF will probably lynch all the townie players and lose this shit, i already give him bugs award for his start of D1.

good luck, listen to dead people since i have a feeling HF is gonna lynch me.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 25 2019 14:56 GMT
#382
On June 25 2019 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well Eywa is mafia most likely too. This is the annoying type of scumplayer (Conversion looks the same usually) who are not considerred scum because they are "too abrasive to be mafia" when in fact nothing they say pretty much makes sense, and just get ignored. Furthermore waayyyyyyy different from last game where she actually tried to play and figure shit out (until we got onto a shitfight).

Pandain my best bet for third scum just for calling Grackaroni mafia (or a lynch) for a claim that doesnt make any sense in his mind from mafia perspective, like basically he wants to lynch a townie and paints it as a "mafia read".

Those are my reads, if i am wrong on something get slam in there, most likely everyone else is town.


I just read last game to make sure but eywa looks identical to the start of it and was town sooooo.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 25 2019 14:58 GMT
#383
Rayn what was the bullshit in the thread that you needed to stop?

You also said you town read kelsier for pretty much activity and playing proactively rather than reactionary but literally 0 of your case highlights ANY of that train of thought. It pretty much shows kelsier sheeping and responding about his jock read?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 25 2019 15:01 GMT
#384
On June 25 2019 18:08 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2019 18:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
Grack I can't see a situation where Eywa buses both mafia partners in one of their only 4 posts so far. You really think that's feasible?

Feasible but I could definitely leave Eywa out of it.

Really I'd be more interested in hearing why Eversince thinks Pandain is the best lynch.

Still interested in an answer to this.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 25 2019 15:01 GMT
#385
Don't care. I have reads on all the people in the game except for slam already so i don't care. Do what you do and go lose.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 25 2019 15:02 GMT
#386
I can say bullshit = bad cases though, i think the case on Kelsier is a bad case.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 25 2019 15:03 GMT
#387
Let it also be said that there is three mafia in Shapelog/Eywa/Pandain/Slam. Final words.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 25 2019 15:20 GMT
#388
Are you assuming that Rayn is partners with Kels?
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
June 25 2019 15:20 GMT
#389
On June 25 2019 23:51 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2019 23:49 Eywa- wrote:
On June 25 2019 23:47 Holyflare wrote:
On June 25 2019 23:46 Eywa- wrote:
On June 25 2019 22:02 Holyflare wrote:
My main problem with rayn is that kelsier looks very bad in all aspects of his posts but rayn specifically went out of his way to defend kelsier while:

Calling his posts out saying this is what mafia kelsier would do

Ignoring all contradictory kelsier points

Making mafia posts from Kelsier into town posts

That would be because Rayn is scum and Kelsier is probably town right?


Or hard defending his buddy.

Good point, but we agree that Rayn is a suitable lynch for today?


Quite likely a good lynch, yeah.

I want to know your thoughts on the game though because so far all I know is a couple of lines with no substance.

Why did you town read shapelog?

Why do you mafia read rayn?


Shapelog was an early read, not a huge amount behind it, but it just seemed like he was trying to get the game going early on, out of RVS and he also introduced a little sliver of meta which I wouldn't expect him to even think about throwing in as scum.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 25 2019 15:21 GMT
#390
On June 25 2019 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well Eywa is mafia most likely too. This is the annoying type of scumplayer (Conversion looks the same usually) who are not considerred scum because they are "too abrasive to be mafia" when in fact nothing they say pretty much makes sense, and just get ignored. Furthermore waayyyyyyy different from last game where she actually tried to play and figure shit out (until we got onto a shitfight).

Pandain my best bet for third scum just for calling Grackaroni mafia (or a lynch) for a claim that doesnt make any sense in his mind from mafia perspective, like basically he wants to lynch a townie and paints it as a "mafia read".

Those are my reads, if i am wrong on something get slam in there, most likely everyone else is town.

Honestly no I find it very hard to believe that Grack as doctor would willingly throw away his role when under no pressure. If there was a huge bunch of tension or fighting and a lot of votes on him, I could see it, but there was none of that. It seems very fake how he did it. So I think he's mafia.


But yes even if he's town he should be lynched. It's such an anti town play that it's an auto policy lynch.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 25 2019 15:22 GMT
#391
On June 25 2019 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh yeah Pandain also made a comment on me that should never make any sense to him if what he has said before in the game has made any sense to him so that's why he is mafia too.


This comment is a perfect example of why I don't understand many of your posts. I have no idea what this means
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 25 2019 15:26 GMT
#392
I don't think rayn is scum actually . I think HFs case is basically "I disagree with how his reasoning supports his conclusion" which is not really a strong argument
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 25 2019 15:32 GMT
#393
#summonJock

I know he would vote grack
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
June 25 2019 15:43 GMT
#394
I think Grack claiming is weird, but isn't necessarily scummy. Scum have no reason to fake claim doc because they are setting themselves up for a D2-D3 lynch... That being a player not under pressure makes it more likely that it's town.

Players who claim under pressure have a higher chance of flipping scum than players who claim when not under pressure. It's crazy how the scummiest player in the game always tends to claim before getting lynched.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
June 25 2019 15:46 GMT
#395
Pandain pushing that angle also seems bad, but not the reason for him being probable scum.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
June 25 2019 15:50 GMT
#396
On June 25 2019 23:51 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2019 23:49 Eywa- wrote:
On June 25 2019 23:47 Holyflare wrote:
On June 25 2019 23:46 Eywa- wrote:
On June 25 2019 22:02 Holyflare wrote:
My main problem with rayn is that kelsier looks very bad in all aspects of his posts but rayn specifically went out of his way to defend kelsier while:

Calling his posts out saying this is what mafia kelsier would do

Ignoring all contradictory kelsier points

Making mafia posts from Kelsier into town posts

That would be because Rayn is scum and Kelsier is probably town right?


Or hard defending his buddy.

Good point, but we agree that Rayn is a suitable lynch for today?


Quite likely a good lynch, yeah.

I want to know your thoughts on the game though because so far all I know is a couple of lines with no substance.

Why did you town read shapelog?

Why do you mafia read rayn?

For Rayn, I feel like a lot of his early posts are somewhat non-committal. He wonders why I have random town reads, gives a couple random town reads, over justifies his town read on Eversince, then agrees on my scum reads conditionally (before I even responded to his previous concerns about my town reads).

I mean, I don't have any one thing about his play I don't like, but it feels like a very cautious start from him. I also don't like the pun on the town claim.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
June 25 2019 15:51 GMT
#397
The hard defense of Kelsier is also really weird.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
June 25 2019 15:52 GMT
#398
I think we just lynch Rayn here, he's given a lot of associative reads for us to work with, so even in the event where he flips town, it's not catastrophic by any means.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 25 2019 15:53 GMT
#399
On June 26 2019 00:43 Eywa- wrote:
I think Grack claiming is weird, but isn't necessarily scummy. Scum have no reason to fake claim doc because they are setting themselves up for a D2-D3 lynch... That being a player not under pressure makes it more likely that it's town.

Players who claim under pressure have a higher chance of flipping scum than players who claim when not under pressure. It's crazy how the scummiest player in the game always tends to claim before getting lynched.


But Grackaroni was not under pressure at all. He had one vote on him (HF). And HF was the only person pushing him.

If you're actually the doctor, is this when you feel compelled to claim? And basically forsake your whole role because it's very likely you will be roleblocked every single round?

And there's plenty of reasons to fake claim doctor. I actually doubt there's any doctor at all (and it wouldn't seem very balanced considering we have a day-1 auto confirmed town who happens to be an active Vet, and yes these sort of things do play into a hosts' mind.)

And if there does happen to be a real doctor who counter claims, that gives mafia a free roleblock +shot on HF. Even for a dead mafia that's not that bad a play.

Conversely, if he gets away with his fake claim, he gets a bunch of town cred.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 25 2019 15:55 GMT
#400
I don't think Rayn is non-commital at all. He's hard defending Kelsier, pushed for SL, gave reads on a whole bunch of people.

And what new reads would you have if Rayn flips town?
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