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Unfortunately I don't have too many useful opinions.
Rayn's reasoning is convoluted enough that's it's hard to understand (and thus make judgments on) his arguments.
I think Slam would actually be a fine lynch, just because I don't have a lot of convidence in anyone and better to lynch someone completely noncontributive.
I agree Grack's roleclaim makes no sense, and I doubt he's doctor, but I'm unsure whether that makes him VT or mafia.
I'm still going to keep my vote on Kelsier because I don't like his responses.
I have strong town reads on you (eversince) and jock.
Anyway feel free to push me but I honestly don't have more thoughts than that
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On June 25 2019 20:38 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. You literally just claimed Pandain is "under-contributing from his town meta" and useless just means mafia to me right now.On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) yes also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Last games I've played with Pandain he has been mostly mia. Same for you. But I know both are capable of putting content in such as you have picked up doing later day1! Pandains lack is highly questionable to me.On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince I'm sick of formatting. Ewya's randomly tossing out "lynch ES or Pandain" makes no sense. I asked about it and got no answer. What world do we live in where the entire mafia team buses day 1 for no reason though? I don't agree with HF Rayn points though. I think they are valid. Why I agreed with his case. I think they are worth considering but I don't see it as mafia agenda. More t!Rayn trying to assert himself. I could be wrong on that though ;P. Time will tell!
What are my rayn points?
Can you just briefly bullet point them so I know we're on the same page?
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Rayn's reasoning makes no sense from m!Rayn either though so at best NAI.
Agree Slam would be a fine lynch too.
Grack's role claim is so pointless the only world I see it happening is t!Grack trying to attract a bullet. Which is stupid but (shrug)? I don't understand where m!Grack claims so early to draw a lynch on himself. Though if it pulls the thread into chaos later I'll probably change my mind.
I have a bad feeling on Kels aswell. I'm ok with lynching him.
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On June 25 2019 20:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 20:38 Eversince wrote:On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. You literally just claimed Pandain is "under-contributing from his town meta" and useless just means mafia to me right now.On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) yes also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Last games I've played with Pandain he has been mostly mia. Same for you. But I know both are capable of putting content in such as you have picked up doing later day1! Pandains lack is highly questionable to me.On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince I'm sick of formatting. Ewya's randomly tossing out "lynch ES or Pandain" makes no sense. I asked about it and got no answer. What world do we live in where the entire mafia team buses day 1 for no reason though? I don't agree with HF Rayn points though. I think they are valid. Why I agreed with his case. I think they are worth considering but I don't see it as mafia agenda. More t!Rayn trying to assert himself. I could be wrong on that though ;P. Time will tell! What are my rayn points? Can you just briefly bullet point them so I know we're on the same page?
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On June 25 2019 16:48 Holyflare wrote:I'll explain why rayn is mafia based on just this one post. My comments are in red. Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am gonna try to explain my read on Kelsier. I'd normally most likely not care about it atm but since we're 8vs3 i think i actually need to cut everything that i feel like is bullshit out of the thread so we can actually find mafia.
What bullshit cutting does he need to achieve? Nothing I would consider bullshit is happening and especially nothing that deserves defending Kelsier from suspicion early day 1. This is very disconnected from what is actually happening in the thread and is very typical of someone just trying to look good through bravado of hooray I'm here to save the dayHere is Kelsier's firt real post in the game. On June 24 2019 05:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?
Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas? Gracks entrance post/joke didn't mean anything. Did you expect someone to tell you otherwise? noticeable things so far is that Shapelog says the same thing and this is a post that is correct and doesn't make Grackaroni mafia. This is a noticeable thing for Rayn to mention. Why does it make Kelsier town that he picks up on ONE person doing something but not the other? Hint: It doesn't make him town, or at least, it's not a townie thing to do. Why does being correct mean anything when people most likely to be correct are the people with the most information? Mafia. This post is ONLY noticeable if you are calling Kelsier mafia, it does not belong in this case that Rayn is trying to make, that Kelsier is town.this is the follow up: On June 24 2019 05:23 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright this hasn't really heated up, Sunday evening start so it's to be expected. Going to take off and get some sleep. I'll try and check in a few times each day depending on my availability.
Trfel's post is the worst thing so far I can't decide if it's someone trying to get the game going or if he's just nervous and is uncomfortable sitting quietly in the thread.
I don't know anything about Eversince. If i'm honest it does feel a bit too nice but maybe he is just a good person. That being said, He does like HF so how can you trust him. this actually makes sense in case he is mafia, i agree. But so far, at this point my read on him is that he is trying to get the game going and not pulling any shit. I obviously disagree with his read on Trfel here but i don't think it makes him mafia. Again, would you think this is a town case on Kelsier? Wtf. It's just a narrative saying he disagrees with his read and Rayn has COMPLETELY forgotten anything about shapelog doing EXACTLY the same thing but Kelsier not saying a word about shapelog. Why even mention it above if it plays absolutely no relevance to your further read? This just highlights how much of a pointless narrative this entire post is and there's no critical thinking in it. What are we supposed to think here? That this post can highlight that maybe Trfel is mafia OR town? Great Kelsier post? No, not really, it's wishy washy and says absolutely nothing about BOTH eversince and Trfel. Classically mafia post.Eversince claims Grack is irritating after this. Pandain expresses some feelings i ahve no idea what that means on Grackaroni. At least Pandain has noticed the thing on Grack imo. What have these 2 lines got to do with Kelsier at all????Me, Trfel and ES discuss Eywa. Holyflare comes in and accuses Grackaroni. Jock makes his comment about Grack. Now i think this is the kicker post: On June 24 2019 16:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Morning Everyone,
Liked the discussion between rayn and trefl regarding eywa's reads. That's bumped trefl up. The scum reads seem off to me and need more explanation. I don't like ES particularly, but pandain is just one low content poster in a game of low content posters. ShapeLog town read also needs more explanation.
I don't like Jocks entrance. His first comment is he has nothing to add and things are uneventful. But as soon as HF throws out a name he jumps on it trying to bury Grack. The red part makes perfectly sense in case Kelsier is mafia (unless mafia with Eywa -- lets assume here that Trfel is town). The green part however doesn't make any sense at all in comparison to the red one since he is letting one guy off the hook for doing the wrong thing (accusing Grack) and changing the subject to another guy. I don't think that's a mafia thing to do because i think the mafia thing to do is to let Trfel and Jock be town for now and join the accusation, accuse them both, or act like you dont know where your head is at because you are now confused especially since HF jumped in. I think all of those outcomes are better than what Kelsier did and i don't think what he did makes any sense from mafia perspective. The red part makes perfect sense if Kelsier is mafia............ ah can totally see how this is a town case on Kelsier........ We also just have to assume he might also not be mafia with Eywa and that Trfel is also town. Like 3 leaps of logic for absolutely no reason here? Kelsier arbitrarily dismisses people for being low content poster (pandain) in a game of low content posters but literally doesn't highlight anyone else in the game and dismisses them in the same way, that looks really, really bad.
The green bit making Kelsier town... wtf? It doesn't make sense for a mafia Kelsier to drop his read on Trfel for an OPENING post that he said COULD make him someone who wants to push the game forward OR nervous mafia (not even a real scum read) to then pick up on Jock for scum reading Grack? Why does that not make sense? His old read was well past its expiry date, he could easily see motivation to sheep onto a train that big name rayn is pushing and thus say he's liking everything everyone is agreeing with and then move onto someone else that can't really fight back as much. Very, very easy thing for mafia to do. Does not make sense to town read for this at all, especially if you have any idea how mafia think when they are mafia, which Rayn should do in abundance. None of these things highlight why Kelsier is town, none at all. In fact, if anything, it looks like Rayn should be absolutely scum reading Kelsier. This is just one example of a narrative that Rayn is trying to push that doesn't make sense when you actually get down to it. I read the beginnings of his shapelog case too. It's literally that he thinks shapelog should have more content in a first post based on some previous game he played with shapelog and that he'd think shapelog's accusation would have more reasoning behind it. Not a stellar read, there's loads of stretches of imagination for it.
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I'm going to make tea.. I'll be around for a bit so let's talk!
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Eversince I don't think you're going to be able to win people over to a Pandain vote today.
We don't have long until deadline so I think we should organize something maybe and try to consolidate votes.
I think grack is a good option but I would definitely go for either slam or kels also.
I think only one of grack or kels is likely to be mafia so it would make sense in my opinion to go for one of those.
With Grack its not just his claim, its the way he followed everyone into scumreading kels and then followed everyone into scumreading shapelog.
Kels is worse though. I'm looking back at his filter now and there's just nothing there. Lots of posts and an argument with myself, but no real reads except two posts that he didn't like, one of which he immediately went back on.
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We have hours left! Give me benefit of doubt!
Joking aside, I think Slam or Kels is fine.
Pandain has still not given much despite my bothering.
Grack is a silly lynch even for his claim because of reasons I already talked about.
I'd like to talk to some more people before I put in a vote.
Shape is just bleh but at this point enough have asked questions about it I'm questionable. I'd be ok with it but if he flips town I'm going to be depressed.
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On June 25 2019 21:04 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 20:58 Holyflare wrote:On June 25 2019 20:38 Eversince wrote:On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. You literally just claimed Pandain is "under-contributing from his town meta" and useless just means mafia to me right now.On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) yes also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Last games I've played with Pandain he has been mostly mia. Same for you. But I know both are capable of putting content in such as you have picked up doing later day1! Pandains lack is highly questionable to me.On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince I'm sick of formatting. Ewya's randomly tossing out "lynch ES or Pandain" makes no sense. I asked about it and got no answer. What world do we live in where the entire mafia team buses day 1 for no reason though? I don't agree with HF Rayn points though. I think they are valid. Why I agreed with his case. I think they are worth considering but I don't see it as mafia agenda. More t!Rayn trying to assert himself. I could be wrong on that though ;P. Time will tell! What are my rayn points? Can you just briefly bullet point them so I know we're on the same page? This post: Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 16:48 Holyflare wrote:I'll explain why rayn is mafia based on just this one post. My comments are in red. On June 25 2019 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am gonna try to explain my read on Kelsier. I'd normally most likely not care about it atm but since we're 8vs3 i think i actually need to cut everything that i feel like is bullshit out of the thread so we can actually find mafia.
What bullshit cutting does he need to achieve? Nothing I would consider bullshit is happening and especially nothing that deserves defending Kelsier from suspicion early day 1. This is very disconnected from what is actually happening in the thread and is very typical of someone just trying to look good through bravado of hooray I'm here to save the dayHere is Kelsier's firt real post in the game. On June 24 2019 05:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?
Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas? Gracks entrance post/joke didn't mean anything. Did you expect someone to tell you otherwise? noticeable things so far is that Shapelog says the same thing and this is a post that is correct and doesn't make Grackaroni mafia. This is a noticeable thing for Rayn to mention. Why does it make Kelsier town that he picks up on ONE person doing something but not the other? Hint: It doesn't make him town, or at least, it's not a townie thing to do. Why does being correct mean anything when people most likely to be correct are the people with the most information? Mafia. This post is ONLY noticeable if you are calling Kelsier mafia, it does not belong in this case that Rayn is trying to make, that Kelsier is town.this is the follow up: On June 24 2019 05:23 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright this hasn't really heated up, Sunday evening start so it's to be expected. Going to take off and get some sleep. I'll try and check in a few times each day depending on my availability.
Trfel's post is the worst thing so far I can't decide if it's someone trying to get the game going or if he's just nervous and is uncomfortable sitting quietly in the thread.
I don't know anything about Eversince. If i'm honest it does feel a bit too nice but maybe he is just a good person. That being said, He does like HF so how can you trust him. this actually makes sense in case he is mafia, i agree. But so far, at this point my read on him is that he is trying to get the game going and not pulling any shit. I obviously disagree with his read on Trfel here but i don't think it makes him mafia. Again, would you think this is a town case on Kelsier? Wtf. It's just a narrative saying he disagrees with his read and Rayn has COMPLETELY forgotten anything about shapelog doing EXACTLY the same thing but Kelsier not saying a word about shapelog. Why even mention it above if it plays absolutely no relevance to your further read? This just highlights how much of a pointless narrative this entire post is and there's no critical thinking in it. What are we supposed to think here? That this post can highlight that maybe Trfel is mafia OR town? Great Kelsier post? No, not really, it's wishy washy and says absolutely nothing about BOTH eversince and Trfel. Classically mafia post.Eversince claims Grack is irritating after this. Pandain expresses some feelings i ahve no idea what that means on Grackaroni. At least Pandain has noticed the thing on Grack imo. What have these 2 lines got to do with Kelsier at all????Me, Trfel and ES discuss Eywa. Holyflare comes in and accuses Grackaroni. Jock makes his comment about Grack. Now i think this is the kicker post: On June 24 2019 16:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Morning Everyone,
Liked the discussion between rayn and trefl regarding eywa's reads. That's bumped trefl up. The scum reads seem off to me and need more explanation. I don't like ES particularly, but pandain is just one low content poster in a game of low content posters. ShapeLog town read also needs more explanation.
I don't like Jocks entrance. His first comment is he has nothing to add and things are uneventful. But as soon as HF throws out a name he jumps on it trying to bury Grack. The red part makes perfectly sense in case Kelsier is mafia (unless mafia with Eywa -- lets assume here that Trfel is town). The green part however doesn't make any sense at all in comparison to the red one since he is letting one guy off the hook for doing the wrong thing (accusing Grack) and changing the subject to another guy. I don't think that's a mafia thing to do because i think the mafia thing to do is to let Trfel and Jock be town for now and join the accusation, accuse them both, or act like you dont know where your head is at because you are now confused especially since HF jumped in. I think all of those outcomes are better than what Kelsier did and i don't think what he did makes any sense from mafia perspective. The red part makes perfect sense if Kelsier is mafia............ ah can totally see how this is a town case on Kelsier........ We also just have to assume he might also not be mafia with Eywa and that Trfel is also town. Like 3 leaps of logic for absolutely no reason here? Kelsier arbitrarily dismisses people for being low content poster (pandain) in a game of low content posters but literally doesn't highlight anyone else in the game and dismisses them in the same way, that looks really, really bad.
The green bit making Kelsier town... wtf? It doesn't make sense for a mafia Kelsier to drop his read on Trfel for an OPENING post that he said COULD make him someone who wants to push the game forward OR nervous mafia (not even a real scum read) to then pick up on Jock for scum reading Grack? Why does that not make sense? His old read was well past its expiry date, he could easily see motivation to sheep onto a train that big name rayn is pushing and thus say he's liking everything everyone is agreeing with and then move onto someone else that can't really fight back as much. Very, very easy thing for mafia to do. Does not make sense to town read for this at all, especially if you have any idea how mafia think when they are mafia, which Rayn should do in abundance. None of these things highlight why Kelsier is town, none at all. In fact, if anything, it looks like Rayn should be absolutely scum reading Kelsier. This is just one example of a narrative that Rayn is trying to push that doesn't make sense when you actually get down to it. I read the beginnings of his shapelog case too. It's literally that he thinks shapelog should have more content in a first post based on some previous game he played with shapelog and that he'd think shapelog's accusation would have more reasoning behind it. Not a stellar read, there's loads of stretches of imagination for it.
So you're saying rayn's points are valid? What exactly ARE rayn's points that are valid? The whole point of my post is specifically his town case on kelsier not making sense. Are you saying you're disagreeing with that?
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My main problem with rayn is that kelsier looks very bad in all aspects of his posts but rayn specifically went out of his way to defend kelsier while:
Calling his posts out saying this is what mafia kelsier would do
Ignoring all contradictory kelsier points
Making mafia posts from Kelsier into town posts
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On June 25 2019 21:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 21:04 Eversince wrote:On June 25 2019 20:58 Holyflare wrote:On June 25 2019 20:38 Eversince wrote:On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. You literally just claimed Pandain is "under-contributing from his town meta" and useless just means mafia to me right now.On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) yes also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Last games I've played with Pandain he has been mostly mia. Same for you. But I know both are capable of putting content in such as you have picked up doing later day1! Pandains lack is highly questionable to me.On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince I'm sick of formatting. Ewya's randomly tossing out "lynch ES or Pandain" makes no sense. I asked about it and got no answer. What world do we live in where the entire mafia team buses day 1 for no reason though? I don't agree with HF Rayn points though. I think they are valid. Why I agreed with his case. I think they are worth considering but I don't see it as mafia agenda. More t!Rayn trying to assert himself. I could be wrong on that though ;P. Time will tell! What are my rayn points? Can you just briefly bullet point them so I know we're on the same page? This post: On June 25 2019 16:48 Holyflare wrote:I'll explain why rayn is mafia based on just this one post. My comments are in red. On June 25 2019 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am gonna try to explain my read on Kelsier. I'd normally most likely not care about it atm but since we're 8vs3 i think i actually need to cut everything that i feel like is bullshit out of the thread so we can actually find mafia.
What bullshit cutting does he need to achieve? Nothing I would consider bullshit is happening and especially nothing that deserves defending Kelsier from suspicion early day 1. This is very disconnected from what is actually happening in the thread and is very typical of someone just trying to look good through bravado of hooray I'm here to save the dayHere is Kelsier's firt real post in the game. On June 24 2019 05:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?
Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas? Gracks entrance post/joke didn't mean anything. Did you expect someone to tell you otherwise? noticeable things so far is that Shapelog says the same thing and this is a post that is correct and doesn't make Grackaroni mafia. This is a noticeable thing for Rayn to mention. Why does it make Kelsier town that he picks up on ONE person doing something but not the other? Hint: It doesn't make him town, or at least, it's not a townie thing to do. Why does being correct mean anything when people most likely to be correct are the people with the most information? Mafia. This post is ONLY noticeable if you are calling Kelsier mafia, it does not belong in this case that Rayn is trying to make, that Kelsier is town.this is the follow up: On June 24 2019 05:23 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright this hasn't really heated up, Sunday evening start so it's to be expected. Going to take off and get some sleep. I'll try and check in a few times each day depending on my availability.
Trfel's post is the worst thing so far I can't decide if it's someone trying to get the game going or if he's just nervous and is uncomfortable sitting quietly in the thread.
I don't know anything about Eversince. If i'm honest it does feel a bit too nice but maybe he is just a good person. That being said, He does like HF so how can you trust him. this actually makes sense in case he is mafia, i agree. But so far, at this point my read on him is that he is trying to get the game going and not pulling any shit. I obviously disagree with his read on Trfel here but i don't think it makes him mafia. Again, would you think this is a town case on Kelsier? Wtf. It's just a narrative saying he disagrees with his read and Rayn has COMPLETELY forgotten anything about shapelog doing EXACTLY the same thing but Kelsier not saying a word about shapelog. Why even mention it above if it plays absolutely no relevance to your further read? This just highlights how much of a pointless narrative this entire post is and there's no critical thinking in it. What are we supposed to think here? That this post can highlight that maybe Trfel is mafia OR town? Great Kelsier post? No, not really, it's wishy washy and says absolutely nothing about BOTH eversince and Trfel. Classically mafia post.Eversince claims Grack is irritating after this. Pandain expresses some feelings i ahve no idea what that means on Grackaroni. At least Pandain has noticed the thing on Grack imo. What have these 2 lines got to do with Kelsier at all????Me, Trfel and ES discuss Eywa. Holyflare comes in and accuses Grackaroni. Jock makes his comment about Grack. Now i think this is the kicker post: On June 24 2019 16:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Morning Everyone,
Liked the discussion between rayn and trefl regarding eywa's reads. That's bumped trefl up. The scum reads seem off to me and need more explanation. I don't like ES particularly, but pandain is just one low content poster in a game of low content posters. ShapeLog town read also needs more explanation.
I don't like Jocks entrance. His first comment is he has nothing to add and things are uneventful. But as soon as HF throws out a name he jumps on it trying to bury Grack. The red part makes perfectly sense in case Kelsier is mafia (unless mafia with Eywa -- lets assume here that Trfel is town). The green part however doesn't make any sense at all in comparison to the red one since he is letting one guy off the hook for doing the wrong thing (accusing Grack) and changing the subject to another guy. I don't think that's a mafia thing to do because i think the mafia thing to do is to let Trfel and Jock be town for now and join the accusation, accuse them both, or act like you dont know where your head is at because you are now confused especially since HF jumped in. I think all of those outcomes are better than what Kelsier did and i don't think what he did makes any sense from mafia perspective. The red part makes perfect sense if Kelsier is mafia............ ah can totally see how this is a town case on Kelsier........ We also just have to assume he might also not be mafia with Eywa and that Trfel is also town. Like 3 leaps of logic for absolutely no reason here? Kelsier arbitrarily dismisses people for being low content poster (pandain) in a game of low content posters but literally doesn't highlight anyone else in the game and dismisses them in the same way, that looks really, really bad.
The green bit making Kelsier town... wtf? It doesn't make sense for a mafia Kelsier to drop his read on Trfel for an OPENING post that he said COULD make him someone who wants to push the game forward OR nervous mafia (not even a real scum read) to then pick up on Jock for scum reading Grack? Why does that not make sense? His old read was well past its expiry date, he could easily see motivation to sheep onto a train that big name rayn is pushing and thus say he's liking everything everyone is agreeing with and then move onto someone else that can't really fight back as much. Very, very easy thing for mafia to do. Does not make sense to town read for this at all, especially if you have any idea how mafia think when they are mafia, which Rayn should do in abundance. None of these things highlight why Kelsier is town, none at all. In fact, if anything, it looks like Rayn should be absolutely scum reading Kelsier. This is just one example of a narrative that Rayn is trying to push that doesn't make sense when you actually get down to it. I read the beginnings of his shapelog case too. It's literally that he thinks shapelog should have more content in a first post based on some previous game he played with shapelog and that he'd think shapelog's accusation would have more reasoning behind it. Not a stellar read, there's loads of stretches of imagination for it. So you're saying rayn's points are valid? What exactly ARE rayn's points that are valid? The whole point of my post is specifically his town case on kelsier not making sense. Are you saying you're disagreeing with that?
His town on Kels makes no idea to me either. I said as much in previous post.
His points on Shape in that, and other post are fine though. Should of split so attention wasn't decided to Kels. I don't care though. I got it and that is good enough for me at least. 
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On June 25 2019 22:02 Holyflare wrote:
My main problem with rayn is that kelsier looks very bad in all aspects of his posts but rayn specifically went out of his way to defend kelsier while:
Calling his posts out saying this is what mafia kelsier would do
Ignoring all contradictory kelsier points
Making mafia posts from Kelsier into town posts
Well town makes stupid moves all the time.. What about defending Kels makes !mRayn? I get that defending someone looking terrible is a bad enough reason. But Rayn can have a attitude. So I let it go.
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On June 25 2019 22:02 Holyflare wrote:
My main problem with rayn is that kelsier looks very bad in all aspects of his posts but rayn specifically went out of his way to defend kelsier while:
I disagree with Kelsier looking bad on all aspects. My original town read on him was because of how he started the game. Kelsier has lately been playing quite actively in his town games and i see aspects of it here and he'd probably give way less shits about the game as mafia. That's my read on Kelsier pretty much. In easy words, he is playing more proactively than reactionary.
Calling his posts out saying this is what mafia kelsier would do
Yeah i can maybe see how you think this. That was not my point though, my point was that mafia!Kelsier could say something like that, not that what Kelsier said makes him mafia. Why would i ever post anything that you are suggesting here as either alignment?!?!? It doesn't even make any sense.
Ignoring all contradictory kelsier points
I am not ignoring them, i simply saw a "contradiction", if that's what you want to call it, and i outlined why i think the conclusion Kelsier finally ends up with doesn't come from mafia.
Making mafia posts from Kelsier into town posts
Once again this is not what i did. Maybe this is me thing and not Holyflare. I have absolutely no idea how the content of my post on Kelsier can't be clear -- i mean where i am coming from and why. It's one thing to disagree with me but to claim i did something i absolutely didn't do is another thing. Like idk, does anyone else read my post like HF did??? This happens every single game with him and it would be hilarious if it wasn't so annoying since there's usually people who actually believe in what he writes....
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How is Kels playing active?
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I understood your post between Kels and Shape but I don't agree.
I think both are valid lynch choices. You don't. I get your reasoning while HF doesn't.
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The thing about Eywa to me is this. I didn't care about her reads on ES and Shapelog at all. I understand someone at that point can for some reason unbeknownst to me have a townread on Shapelog and a scumread on ES. I cared about the fact she wanted to quicklynch Pandain because there was never any reason to call Pandain either town or mafia at that point of the game and quicklynching means put enough votes on them so they die, immediately. The only reason i included Shape and ES into my post towards her was because i didn't want her to necessarily know what i really want to know. I might have errands to run so i think it's better i say this outloud right now.
Basically i think her scumread on Pandain is full of shit.
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On June 25 2019 22:25 Eversince wrote:
How is Kels playing active?
he was. you're right he isn't rn. He has promised to look into shapelog and pandain though so i am waiting to see what he does. if he doesn't do anything maybe you're right and i am wrong.
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I might not have much more time in the thread before deadline so I'm changing my vote to kelsier again. Grack is at least trying, and the stuff that makes me think he's scum isn't definite. Keslier has been really lame, just half a read s'all we've had from him. Also I don't think there's any support for a grack lynch and I don't think there will be.
Kelsier if you come back later when I'm not here and wow everyone with your reads, sorry dude. Otherwise, die scum.
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I still think we should vote for Shapelog or possibly Eywa.
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I'm just not convinced enough rayn. I thought kelsier was going to give us more than he did but no, all he has done was argue a bit and point out two posts that he didn't like. That's rubbish.
Shapelog doesn't look good but doesn't look bad enough for a day 1 lynch imo, just kinda meh.
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Well at least Kelsier had an opinion. Shapelog's "opinions" on Trfel and Kelsier (aka all of his opinions) ended up with "thoughts?" and "i dont understand". You realise that controversial people usually aren't the mafia people even if they are wrong? Well whatever, you do what you do.
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