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On June 24 2019 23:03 Shapelog wrote: I find it odd how technical and misconstruing he was towards Eversince. I dont get how you someone can read the thread at that time and genuinely post the quoted post above from trfel. Let's say Shapelog is correct and this is actually true and Trfel is mafia. Trfel as mafia clearly knows this as well right? He has to since he is making a bullshit case he knows is incorrect. Why does Trfel make that case in the first place? Like a case that's based on pure lying and misconstruing. It doesn't make any sense at all because you're just... well instantly caught. | ||
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On June 24 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't really understand what you mean. What exactly do you agree with Kels about? I agree with him that your post about grack after holyflare looked like what he said originally said. Well i wouldn't say you tried to "bury" him but it sure looked like a scumread and that you're just hopping on board with HF. Not so much when you continued talking about it with him, but first for sure. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 06 2017 22:37 Shapelog wrote: Alright, here where I stand with the conversation between Calix and BTDT. For Calix side, the following makes me think they are more town then scum when I look at this part. I personally think that if Calix was scum, they would of not posted this. It would make sense for Scum!Calix to keep on BTDT as to have a excuse to post, and also because of the what apparently happen with a misunderstanding last game. I do acknowledge that Calix could be backing off here as scum due to a lack of footing on BTDT, but I expect that they would keep on for later credit of being active D1 or even for being on BTDT/Ryan later on if either got into negative light. Moreover, BTDT was more in the mood of keeping the fight going on. Which would allow scum!calix to hide in what would prob. develop into a shitfight with BTDT for getting pass d1. However, I personally do not see anything I really like in calix's points. Some I dont really understand the way calix talks (I.E. calix posts kinda feel a bit circlejerking? If that makes sense, prob doesnt). Also, I do feel as there should be more from calix if they are town and though something about BTDT is scummy. I don't get the stance of "waiting to question you" at all either. But doesn't feel like calix is at the stage of mafia discrediting that is usually happening at this stage of the game hmmm. I will say that I would rank calix a bit above null into the town lean range b/c while I do not understand calix overall stance, I think the clear out looks more town then mafia in my eyes. Flipsid3, I think BTDT also displayed similar actions regarding koshi's meta point and not voting calix. His posts dont feel like he is being pressured in my eyes, and seems more of him trying to figure out calixs point while being mad at calix logic. One could state that he is being pretty agressive in a way, but I just chop it up to him as taking a stance at figuring out the game. Don't really have a issue with him right now. More towny then Calix and working his way up to a town lean I think the above post shows that his thinking of why people post the stuff they do from town/mafia perspective should go wayyyy deeper than the "i dont get it so he is mafia" post on trfel. | ||
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On June 24 2019 23:44 Pandain wrote: I think Rayn is mafia with kelsier Just throw in Trfel too and i will keep a bugs-list for you this game. | ||
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The only reason why Trfel would post what he did as mafia is if he is mafia with ES and wants to make a case that looks good on him in case ES happens to get lynched at some point, but his case will not accomplish that for sure and he knows it. Sort of distancing but in a way that doesn't mean anything. The only other option imo is that Trfel actually believes in what he says, aka perceives ES' posting as he put it (regardless of how strong his read is). There is simply zero reason to make that post in case ES is town and Trfel is mafia because the only thing that can happen is that Trfel looks bad for it. Now the post i quoted above imo clearly shows that Shapelog is capable of actually thinking, and yet better, noticing that kind of motivation in people's posts. In my opinion he SHOULD be easily able to tell what i just said in the above paragraph, because, once again, that's the only thing that makes sense. I think Shapelogs read here is very convenient to make as mafia since he isn't really anything that is wrong. I just think he isn't actually thinking about if it can genuinely make Trfel mafia when he should and i think it makes him mafia. ##vote Shapelog | ||
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On June 24 2019 23:54 Shapelog wrote: Correctly nail scum day 1. Then gets told I bus 100% of the time as scum and get auto lynched day 2 idk what you did later but at least you hard defended mafia me and Koshi lynched D1. | ||
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On June 25 2019 00:09 Grackaroni wrote: I don't agree with this at all. Jock's post was pretty clearly motivated by humor to me. well then i guess you will join the pandain force. | ||
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On June 25 2019 00:18 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah pretty much. This is where I am at the moment. Pandain Trfel Jockmcplop Kelsier You could be right about Shapelog. I didn't understand your town read on Eversince and I don't know why you like Kelsier atm. He's defended me twice so far and it rubs me the wrong way. Because Eversince as mafia seems to be picking on stuff and make it look like she thinks those things make someone mafia -- aka big cases and shit over completely NAI posts. If you're interested go read my Farah's case on her in here. That's pretty much the perfect reasoning why ES was mafia that game and i see none of it here. I don't think Kelsier defending you makes him anything because he was defending you on stuff that doesn't make you mafia. Even if you're mafia this game that's not why you are mafia. I don't get HF's read too. | ||
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lol i just called Damdred's wife "my Farah" shhhh dont tell him | ||
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Here is Kelsier's firt real post in the game. On June 24 2019 05:00 KelsierSC wrote: Gracks entrance post/joke didn't mean anything. Did you expect someone to tell you otherwise? noticeable things so far is that Shapelog says the same thing and this is a post that is correct and doesn't make Grackaroni mafia. this is the follow up: On June 24 2019 05:23 KelsierSC wrote: Alright this hasn't really heated up, Sunday evening start so it's to be expected. Going to take off and get some sleep. I'll try and check in a few times each day depending on my availability. Trfel's post is the worst thing so far I can't decide if it's someone trying to get the game going or if he's just nervous and is uncomfortable sitting quietly in the thread. I don't know anything about Eversince. If i'm honest it does feel a bit too nice but maybe he is just a good person. That being said, He does like HF so how can you trust him. this actually makes sense in case he is mafia, i agree. But so far, at this point my read on him is that he is trying to get the game going and not pulling any shit. I obviously disagree with his read on Trfel here but i don't think it makes him mafia. Eversince claims Grack is irritating after this. Pandain expresses some feelings i ahve no idea what that means on Grackaroni. At least Pandain has noticed the thing on Grack imo. Me, Trfel and ES discuss Eywa. Holyflare comes in and accuses Grackaroni. Jock makes his comment about Grack. Now i think this is the kicker post: On June 24 2019 16:28 KelsierSC wrote: Morning Everyone, Liked the discussion between rayn and trefl regarding eywa's reads. That's bumped trefl up. The scum reads seem off to me and need more explanation. I don't like ES particularly, but pandain is just one low content poster in a game of low content posters. ShapeLog town read also needs more explanation. I don't like Jocks entrance. His first comment is he has nothing to add and things are uneventful. But as soon as HF throws out a name he jumps on it trying to bury Grack. The red part makes perfectly sense in case Kelsier is mafia (unless mafia with Eywa -- lets assume here that Trfel is town). The green part however doesn't make any sense at all in comparison to the red one since he is letting one guy off the hook for doing the wrong thing (accusing Grack) and changing the subject to another guy. I don't think that's a mafia thing to do because i think the mafia thing to do is to let Trfel and Jock be town for now and join the accusation, accuse them both, or act like you dont know where your head is at because you are now confused especially since HF jumped in. I think all of those outcomes are better than what Kelsier did and i don't think what he did makes any sense from mafia perspective. | ||
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On June 24 2019 19:42 Pandain wrote: I have a strong town read on Jock because he seems to be posting very honest, genuinely contributing, and I think he reacted very honestly to Kelsier. I also like when he posted "Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark" because it seems like a very genuine town mentality. Hard to explain why but it really does. I am going to be voting Kelsier because I absolutely hate his opening post. The bolded sentence just seems very forced, like he's trying to find someone to cast suspicion on. I in no way saw Jock's post as "trying to bury Grack", and I would love if anyone else commented whether they did." Maybe it could be an easy mistake, but then he later double downed on this when I think it's pretty obvious Jock wasn't really accusing anyone, and definitely not "trying to bury" him. I am also retracting from my town read on Pandain because i am not sure if he is being honest here and i specifically cannot understand why would i ever defend Kelsier at this point of the day if i was mafia with him. | ||
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On June 25 2019 01:22 Grackaroni wrote: I"m actually upgrading Rayn to town. is this what you got from looking into shapelog or where did you leave that? | ||
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On June 25 2019 01:56 Grackaroni wrote: I read both of you. I read Shapelog first and then read you to try to understand what you were saying. I am going to need a clarification on this because i read you read shapelog, then me, you don't know what i am saying but before giving shapelog any read you read me town. | ||
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