[M][N][72/24]Midnight Sun Mafia

On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No plan. I just thought it would be fun.

On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:


So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?

That's really the line you're going with lol?

On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.

On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.

I was hoping someone else would be around

On May 19 2019 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What? I copy pasted my first post from last game and changed some words and order lol.

On May 19 2019 20:29 Jockmcplop wrote:


Why would you bother doing that when it would be quicker just to type 'I'm VT'?

On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

It doesn't really matter either way though. It has no impact on his alignment.

Rayn, what was the plan behind it?

On May 19 2019 20:56 Holyflare wrote:


???????????????????

Rayn's post was BEFORE the host cleared it up how the fuck is it NAI? He either got a pm saying he was town vanilla which is absolutely not the case because it's not that or he doesn't know what the fuck the role even was called

On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Rayn, what was the plan behind it?

On May 20 2019 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am starting to think Holyfare is in fact mafia too.

On May 20 2019 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FYI idiots i wrote my psot like 3 hrs before the game started because:

On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.

I was hoping someone else would be around

On May 20 2019 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Then please actually read the thread and tell me why jock and bugs voted for me?

On May 20 2019 06:40 Holyflare wrote:


You don't have the good case that you think you do, you've muddied the meaning of two posts to be about one topic.

He doesn't think you're scummy for the first post, he thinks you're weird and it's interesting you'd even do it.

He thinks you're scummy for your lack of doing anything after.

He then questions why you did the post you did to begin with but doesn't actually say that's the reason he's scum reading you, more that he wants to know why you even did it to begin with.

On May 20 2019 06:55 Holyflare wrote:


Your reasons literally don't make a single bit of sense. You were in the thread for a whole lot of time while there was a case on you and you did absolutely shit all up to the point Jock said he scum read you for doing nothing. You were IN THE THREAD DOING NOTHING.

If you think this is a slam dunk case then I can only assume you are mafia and are just going to use it as a massive excuse to whine and afk and berate people for not seeing how obvious it was.

On May 20 2019 07:03 Holyflare wrote:


Your opening post being non alignment indicative does not mean your OTHER posts are not alignment indicative.

You have 6 posts total before he calls you a scum read. A fair few of those are posts AFTER I've accused you of being mafia for your opening (of which he eventually finds NAI). So, you've seen a case on you, you're not responding other than with a few word answers and you're not making any conclusions to defend yourself, call someone mafia or solve the game.

I think it's well within his remit to call you mafia for that. I called you mafia for that and you haven't called me mafia, so what makes me any different?

iGrok called you mafia JUST FOR YOUR OPENING POST even though I admitted that was fake-ish pressure (and he posted after I said that!) and I called you mafia for other reasons before then! Why are you not voting him?

Calix just jumped on your bandwagon and called you mafia even though you said you had many content related posts. Why are you not voting her over Jock (yes, I know you DID vote her previously but your Jock post is in no way any less "damning" than any of these other people).

Bugs literally just sheeped me but didn't really allude to what part of it he was actually really sheeping, again, no vote on him.


Soooo what do you want me to think here rayn? That you just let all these people slide and focus on Jock, the guy I think looks by far and large the most townie out of them all?

On May 20 2019 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
because i had nothing to say when people were sheeping this:

??????????????????????

On May 20 2019 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
L O fucking L, that's the shittiest case you have ever made HF, and you can't even realise what actually happened because of it. Those people are voting for me because of that shit. I didn't even see FF's clarification of the VT role when i wrote my post you called "Now he's retroactively justifying it :D!!!!!!!!".

On May 20 2019 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

can you just tell me about it? if you are town then there is no reason you're gonna yell me about it later just because?

On May 20 2019 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would you kill a townie that wants to lynch mafia?

On May 20 2019 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

why am i anot mafia?
why i was mafia in the first place?

let's hear it.

On May 20 2019 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
for the record i think disformation is mafia too. purely associative but always true if jock is mafia which he is.

On May 20 2019 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Then please actually read the thread and tell me why jock and bugs voted for me?

On May 19 2019 21:33 Jockmcplop wrote:


I dislike rayn's responses so far quite intensely hence the vote. Other than that WBG should come back and nothing else has really happened right?

Artanis is looking townish to me but apparently he's all kinds of good as scum so I'm going to sheep your maybetownread for now.

On May 20 2019 06:39 disformation wrote:

dunno if I see the point.
rayn comments on some ppl (which dont look scummy to him) and jock asks if anyone looks suspicious to him. I think one would expect rayn to call people scum/mafia (like he is doing now).
though. thinking about it, jock kinda ignores that rayn just gave a bunch of reads and says rayn is only defending himself and berating people. which he isnt cause he just gave reads.

hmmm... don't think I like that.

On May 20 2019 08:34 Conversion wrote:


koshi literally has no posts and lazily plays all the time why is he on the list

On May 20 2019 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think we need bugs 2.0 so he can lynch town all day as any alignment.

On May 20 2019 08:42 Conversion wrote:


what’s a bugs2.0?

im asking U because im curious if u had a deeper reason besides lol 0-2 posts. if that’s it then i overestimated ur reasons for the list what’s so hard to understand lol?

On May 20 2019 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

HEY THOSE ARE MY SCUMREADS! AND I DIDNT SAY SHIT S O GO FIGURE OUT YOUR OWN READS FFS!
Fucking hypocrites all of you.

On May 21 2019 11:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi does disformation look townie?

On May 21 2019 17:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m going to pretend rayn, Koshi, and VE all don’t exist in this game until d2 and I implore you all to do the same thing.

Literally none of them have contributed anything useful all game and sadly there is a high chance at least one of them is town. We get the short end of the stick in determining their alignments later.

On VE, if it’s unclear why he’s in my scumpile: VE is eventually going to come back and if he’s reasonable it’ll be obvious fairly quickly. However he’s already gotten so many things uncharacteristically wrong and dodged so many questions that it’s better to leave him alone and see if he does something constructive with the space rather than bait him into arguments where he’ll undoubtably bloat the thread as either alignment

On May 21 2019 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing is this Calix thing. There is simply no way Calix considers Holyflare town at the point she does. That always makes her mafia, that, and that only. I don't think she can actually consider me mafia aswell at that point but that's more of a minor point. In one of the last games Calix played, if not last, there was a different parity cop check between me and HF and town (Calix included) chose to NOT vote either of us off (lol) in a no-lylo situation. There should never ever be a world where calix should be that confident of her HF read at the point she came to the thread, regardless of what she thinks about my affiliaton.

On May 21 2019 21:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
For instance he constantly parroted the same things in the last game and after he died he was very consistent in the obs thread about how, if we kill grack, that would be really bad or whatever (grack was scum).

On May 21 2019 21:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

you dont have that much history with HF and you're dumb.

On May 21 2019 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Look i have no idea what having good reputation for actually getting people lynched has got to do with anything. I dont care if i am lynched or not, i am posting my opinions and regrdless of if they are from page 2 or 100 it shouldnt matter because scummy things can happen on page 2 or 100. I know you disagree with me but i dont have any problem with it. I am calling you dumb because in the game we were mafia i gave you a strategy before i died, a strategy that should win you the game and you shot the only person who was sided with you and you + him could have convinced the third person to lynch a townie, but never you alone when the other two people you decided to not shoot into were 100% town to each other. You didn't even manage to aknowledge you made a mistake there after the game and in this game you are calling my mafia play something it definitely isn't. Okay back then i let that slide. Maybe you are just rusty when you just came back. Then after last game you shit on me after game that you should not listen to me when i voted for mafia the only day i was alive, and you managed to vote zero mafia in any of the four days. Like.... even as a joke that's hilarious.

You can choose to believe me or not, i don't really want you to do anything. Just don't act like you're above everything because you're not.

On May 21 2019 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I dont have a good answer for the first thing. I just don't feel like he is mafia. Maybe i am wrong maybe i am right, but i sure as hell think there are more scummy people than ruxxar and i dont think those people are mafia with him.

I just did give an example. You were in the very same game.

On May 20 2019 06:41 Holyflare wrote:



Please elaborate on specifics on when Calix did these things so that I can cross reference what you actually mean and if it's bs or not.

On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.

HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.

I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.

Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.

(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)

##vote raynpelikoneet

On May 21 2019 00:22 wherebugsgo wrote:




Feel free to explain at this point who you'd kill and why. I have my doubts you'll make much sense, though.

On May 21 2019 21:48 wherebugsgo wrote:


If you vote rayn I might spare you

nah who am I kidding I'll probably try to kill you right after rayn dies

On May 21 2019 22:01 wherebugsgo wrote:


wait what?

Why would rayn pick on you so that we'd kill him after killing you

that makes no sense whatsoever

On May 21 2019 22:24 Koshi wrote:
Fucking calix calls me mafia, gives me no out in jer reasonings, and is still just unvoting me and saying there is 1 mafia in Koshi/rayn and looking for a third person to vote on.


WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU FUCKZRS READING????

HOW IS THAT ACCEPTABLE??????

On May 21 2019 22:26 VisceraEyes wrote:

No man she settled on me as the third I think. Her and Jock both.

On May 21 2019 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

your list is okay, aside from ruxxar.

On May 21 2019 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

idk what you are talking about?
in the secret hitler game he openly claimed D1 he will said with mafia....

On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.

On May 21 2019 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also HF can easily be mafia.

still not caught up, but so far I want rux or disinfo lynched.

On May 21 2019 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Look HF, do you really think i am a reasonable lynch today?

On May 19 2019 21:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
HF playing with unwarranted confidence is like, par for the course regardless of his alignment.

He may be right that rayn is mafia, but that he's trying to angleshoot to prove it and back it up with bad meta is.,...boring af.

Does anyone have any suspicions that do NOT have to do with rayn and his role PM?

On May 21 2019 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

and once again you let the thread go on and on for like 20 pages after i have claimed to be a parity cop. I am not sure you do this as town HF, regardless of how i act (i worked for 48h past 3 days, slept mby 3 hrs / night, i was literally just sleeping all yesterday after work -- stupid bugs case). You let dumbass shit fly in the thread too much. Shit that you dont consider relevant or shit that's just shit, and i don't like it.

On May 20 2019 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yes

yes

you should vote for jock.

On May 21 2019 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jock if you ever want me to consider you town you need to explain what you meant with the red parts in these posts thoroughly.

On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Rayn, what was the plan behind it?

On May 21 2019 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i don't believe it's RVS because you went on and on with the vote for terrible reasons (aka "give reads" when i gave reads).

On May 21 2019 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

i answered for i claimed, disfo is flaky, and mafia

On May 21 2019 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If you are a believer in RVS why haven't you done that in the games you have played here before?

On May 22 2019 00:00 Koshi wrote:
Poor jock. Might die twice on d1.
I dnu. But I guess I can also vote him.

On May 22 2019 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I literally asked him why he voted for me in the first place.

On May 22 2019 00:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
Just so you guys are in no doubt:

I'm trying to play, to learn and to improve all at the same time. I find this difficult and yeah, I'm asking a shit ton of questions. There aren't any newbie games here and I'm completely clueless jsut going off what the guides and mafaiscum wiki say about it.
So yeah, I ask alot of questions. I'm literally asking for help and getting shit all (Except WBG who is quite happy to help) and then being lynched for doing shit wrong.

This isn't something I'd post if i was trying not to be lynched because I'm knowingly invoking my own lack of skill and expereience. I'm gonna go concentrate on chess instead.

Good luck to you all. Even if I'm not lynched I can't be bothered with this shit. I'm too anxious a person. Its bad for my mental health.

On May 22 2019 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
also RVS is shit i didn't even realise that's a thing until he mentioned it

On May 22 2019 00:31 disformation wrote:
why no bc? hard to follow reads. fell off super hard after first half of this cycle. currently basically fear voting ve.

On May 22 2019 00:31 VisceraEyes wrote:

It's a MafiaScum staple I'm not surprised you don't know it.

On May 22 2019 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wow i just realised i have told VE twice i am town. Shit i didn't sleep well at all during weeekend.

On May 22 2019 01:39 iGrok wrote:

Seriously. I'm pretty close to petitioning for a vote for a post cap

On May 22 2019 01:52 iGrok wrote:

Is there anyone that you haven't accused of being mafia D1?

On May 21 2019 22:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iGrok you said

but wrote "thoughts" on people who are not disfo or ruxxar, before and after this post. and nothing on disfo & ruxxar.

On May 22 2019 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck i really want to call iGrok town for that post hahahah ;D
So good.

On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.

In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.

Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up.
Disinformation? same basic thing.

So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.

Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.

So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.

On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.

- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.

- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.

##Vote calix

On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.

I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.

Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues.
+ Show Spoiler +

gonna vote for mafia again.
##vote Calix

On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.

As I am just finishing the catch up so far.

Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.

Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.

Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront



this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.

On May 22 2019 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait it was ruxxars case........

On May 22 2019 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not, the "who have you NOT called scum" post is golden.