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btw EBWOP:
this:
No I think it totally makes sense for VE to vote a townread with me as scum because I was the only person scumreading me and I do honestly 100% believe that VE thinks that if he strokes my ego I'll townread him. Like he buddied me for basically no reason whatsoever, it's the least resistance I've ever seen out of VE. He's always proud of being on wagons as town and that he'd be the first person to jump off the wagon without even asking me to vote iGrok is really really bad IMO.
should be:
I was the only person scumreading him
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iGrok's supposed to have a free weekend this week isn't he? At least that's what he's said.
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On May 25 2019 23:00 Holyflare wrote: Damn you didn't fall for the bait. WP. If I fell for it as either alignment I'd be pretty bad tbh. I am disappoint.
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On May 25 2019 23:01 wherebugsgo wrote: VE if you want me to detunnel you have to provide me alternative scumreads. I'm perfectly fine with an iGrok lynch. I disagree that the case on him is as cut and dry and Holyflare makes it, but I think it's a good enough shot for today.
You want me to be certain. I can't indulge you and I'm not going to lie to you. I also have a mild scumread on Calix still, if you're reading my posts you saw me disagree with the case on her that rayn put forward, but I read her mafia independently. I'm unsure on a third because there are now 3 PR claims and those will solve themselves I hope, GIVING us the third maybe.
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I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum.
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On May 25 2019 23:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum. Is the first one willing to consider not iGrok or were you just trolling people?
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On May 25 2019 23:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 23:01 wherebugsgo wrote: VE if you want me to detunnel you have to provide me alternative scumreads. I'm perfectly fine with an iGrok lynch. I disagree that the case on him is as cut and dry and Holyflare makes it, but I think it's a good enough shot for today. You want me to be certain. I can't indulge you and I'm not going to lie to you. I also have a mild scumread on Calix still, if you're reading my posts you saw me disagree with the case on her that rayn put forward, but I read her mafia independently. I'm unsure on a third because there are now 3 PR claims and those will solve themselves I hope, GIVING us the third maybe. I strongly approve of the implications in this post <3
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On May 25 2019 22:52 Holyflare wrote: Like, I really just don't know if bugs is obviously showing face as mafia and became really bad or just town doing some really stupid bait. After his nk in that game rayn was talking about that saved town I'm really starting to see a picture where he just doesn't "get" people's metas yet and is trying to make a mafia play that seems obvious to him but looks really out of place to me or anyone that knows these people. Unfortunately that doesn't make him mafia. I thought basically the same thing last game, but especially the comment after game where he said never listen to rayn when i voted for mafia D1 and died on N1 and he managed to land his vote on zero mafia in four days, idk i realised he actually believes in his narratives. Idk what's the point of even interacting a player like that, like earlier you asked me about my claim, the "weird" wording on Conversion's question, i explained it, bugs has just completely skipped over it and is still saying i am fakeclaiming. Again, what's the point in interacting a player like that? I am not even reading his posts anymore.
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On May 25 2019 23:07 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 23:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum. Is the first one willing to consider not iGrok or were you just trolling people?
I mean if he literally just interacted with me and answered my questions I wouldn't be voting him at all even after my case so that's a really fucking net negative play if he's mafia or town.
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On May 25 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 23:05 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 23:01 wherebugsgo wrote: VE if you want me to detunnel you have to provide me alternative scumreads. I'm perfectly fine with an iGrok lynch. I disagree that the case on him is as cut and dry and Holyflare makes it, but I think it's a good enough shot for today. You want me to be certain. I can't indulge you and I'm not going to lie to you. I also have a mild scumread on Calix still, if you're reading my posts you saw me disagree with the case on her that rayn put forward, but I read her mafia independently. I'm unsure on a third because there are now 3 PR claims and those will solve themselves I hope, GIVING us the third maybe. I strongly approve of the implications in this post <3 You're not off the hook bby, if iGrok is town then I have to reevaluate obviously <3
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On May 25 2019 23:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 23:07 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 23:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum. Is the first one willing to consider not iGrok or were you just trolling people? I mean if he literally just interacted with me and answered my questions I wouldn't be voting him at all even after my case so that's a really fucking net negative play if he's mafia or town. I'm town and I refused to interact with bugs for like 4 irl days. *shrug*
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On May 25 2019 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:52 Holyflare wrote: Like, I really just don't know if bugs is obviously showing face as mafia and became really bad or just town doing some really stupid bait. After his nk in that game rayn was talking about that saved town I'm really starting to see a picture where he just doesn't "get" people's metas yet and is trying to make a mafia play that seems obvious to him but looks really out of place to me or anyone that knows these people. Unfortunately that doesn't make him mafia. I thought basically the same thing last game, but especially the comment after game where he said never listen to rayn when i voted for mafia D1 and died on N1 and he managed to land his vote on zero mafia in four days, idk i realised he actually believes in his narratives. Idk what's the point of even interacting a player like that, like earlier you asked me about my claim, the "weird" wording on Conversion's question, i explained it, bugs has just completely skipped over it and is still saying i am fakeclaiming. Again, what's the point in interacting a player like that? I am not even reading his posts anymore.
You gotta learn to let go my man. Last game isn't real anymore, just history. Be free rayn, be free.
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On May 25 2019 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 23:08 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 23:07 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 23:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum. Is the first one willing to consider not iGrok or were you just trolling people? I mean if he literally just interacted with me and answered my questions I wouldn't be voting him at all even after my case so that's a really fucking net negative play if he's mafia or town. I'm town and I refused to interact with bugs for like 4 irl days. *shrug*
Nah, I get it but that's because of the way he talks to you and the questions are like thrown into 10 pages of long things hidden behind 5 different games.
I just want simple answers tbh.
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anyway HF I understand you're still frustrated because you're really confused on what I'm doing.
Trust me, I'm not trying to frustrate you on purpose. I'm not scum here. I will agree with you 100% that I probably am tunneled. However, you and I both know that we have different methods and we disagree on them. I have moved in your direction since I watched your play unfold last game. I don't think I'm a complete moron; I very well could be given how many times I've been called that (rightly so) for lynching townies.
In my defense, though, remember that I townread Pandain in light of rayn flipping town and calling Pandain mafia, and that I townread both BC and VE after fairly minimal interactions. It actually took me a lot longer for me to come to a very solid conclusion on both players this game and I credit that to mafia playing very very well in this game.
Like really, I am in some sort of zen mode right now because I spent time reflecting on my chats with Foolishness a lot and channeled House Chezinu and now I feel like the game is just unfolding before my eyes. Anyway I'm going to sound like a complete moron if I end up being dead wrong and I accept complete responsibility for that if that's the case.
I am super happy with the play of every player in this game because no matter who is scum and who is town, I think everyone played to their win conditions. And actually I think the major shitfests were scum-started so I don't even really feel bad about that now either.
Also VE I totally still love you and I hope you will forgive me horribly for the sins I have caused if my read is wrong on you. I swear, if I am wrong on you I actually don't know how I will be able to apologize because there is just so much stuff that I cannot bring myself to ignore and I respect your play a lot. Like truly, a lot. You nailed Koshi last game, you shot him in the dick bro. Me calling you scum here and not a pants-on-head idiot town is honestly the highest compliment I can give you for turning the beautiful garden roses and twinkling fairies of a town from last game into the raging breakneck 200 mph one liner troll fest that this one was.
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On May 25 2019 23:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 23:01 wherebugsgo wrote: VE if you want me to detunnel you have to provide me alternative scumreads. I'm perfectly fine with an iGrok lynch. I disagree that the case on him is as cut and dry and Holyflare makes it, but I think it's a good enough shot for today. You want me to be certain. I can't indulge you and I'm not going to lie to you. I also have a mild scumread on Calix still, if you're reading my posts you saw me disagree with the case on her that rayn put forward, but I read her mafia independently. I'm unsure on a third because there are now 3 PR claims and those will solve themselves I hope, GIVING us the third maybe. i clicked the link to your filter. you are on 35 pages. did you explain that sr on calix? what you think about my small points i made on her earlier?
On May 25 2019 23:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum.
On May 25 2019 22:34 Holyflare wrote: and bc kinda but he's not really forcing anything (or doing anything :D :D :D :D) just sayin
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VE, WBG, can you give me your thoughts on Conversion?
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On May 25 2019 23:11 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 23:05 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 23:01 wherebugsgo wrote: VE if you want me to detunnel you have to provide me alternative scumreads. I'm perfectly fine with an iGrok lynch. I disagree that the case on him is as cut and dry and Holyflare makes it, but I think it's a good enough shot for today. You want me to be certain. I can't indulge you and I'm not going to lie to you. I also have a mild scumread on Calix still, if you're reading my posts you saw me disagree with the case on her that rayn put forward, but I read her mafia independently. I'm unsure on a third because there are now 3 PR claims and those will solve themselves I hope, GIVING us the third maybe. i clicked the link to your filter. you are on 35 pages. did you explain that sr on calix? what you think about my small points i made on her earlier? Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 23:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum. Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:34 Holyflare wrote: and bc kinda but he's not really forcing anything (or doing anything :D :D :D :D) just sayin
But his meta™
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On May 25 2019 23:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2019 22:52 Holyflare wrote: Like, I really just don't know if bugs is obviously showing face as mafia and became really bad or just town doing some really stupid bait. After his nk in that game rayn was talking about that saved town I'm really starting to see a picture where he just doesn't "get" people's metas yet and is trying to make a mafia play that seems obvious to him but looks really out of place to me or anyone that knows these people. Unfortunately that doesn't make him mafia. I thought basically the same thing last game, but especially the comment after game where he said never listen to rayn when i voted for mafia D1 and died on N1 and he managed to land his vote on zero mafia in four days, idk i realised he actually believes in his narratives. Idk what's the point of even interacting a player like that, like earlier you asked me about my claim, the "weird" wording on Conversion's question, i explained it, bugs has just completely skipped over it and is still saying i am fakeclaiming. Again, what's the point in interacting a player like that? I am not even reading his posts anymore. You gotta learn to let go my man. Last game isn't real anymore, just history. Be free rayn, be free. Yeah i do let go, but i also think what people say after game tells about their mindset a lot since the game is not on anymore and you have all the information, there is no reason to lie about anything whatever alignment anyone was.
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On May 25 2019 23:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 23:11 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 23:05 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 23:01 wherebugsgo wrote: VE if you want me to detunnel you have to provide me alternative scumreads. I'm perfectly fine with an iGrok lynch. I disagree that the case on him is as cut and dry and Holyflare makes it, but I think it's a good enough shot for today. You want me to be certain. I can't indulge you and I'm not going to lie to you. I also have a mild scumread on Calix still, if you're reading my posts you saw me disagree with the case on her that rayn put forward, but I read her mafia independently. I'm unsure on a third because there are now 3 PR claims and those will solve themselves I hope, GIVING us the third maybe. i clicked the link to your filter. you are on 35 pages. did you explain that sr on calix? what you think about my small points i made on her earlier? On May 25 2019 23:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum. On May 25 2019 22:34 Holyflare wrote: and bc kinda but he's not really forcing anything (or doing anything :D :D :D :D) just sayin But his meta™ yeah. tbh i am also not 100% on bc and might be biased. like grok or bc is not even an easy decision. both are kinda doing fuck all
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