[M][N][72/24]Midnight Sun Mafia

On May 19 2019 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That post is like siper fucking scummy as hell.

On May 19 2019 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
emphasis mine

On May 19 2019 23:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like thread actions and votes man, that's all we get. And on D1 it's just thread actions. And I'm saying iGrok's thread actions make him mafia. Is it strong? I think it's stronger than trying to angleshoot rayn or metaread me. I think it's stronger than any perceived lack of contribution from rayn when rayn has half the town baying for his head on D1.

On May 19 2019 23:26 VisceraEyes wrote:

It's less about trying to draw attention away from him - if you'll note I said we can absolutely pull him back into the pool in 24 hours - and more about trying to keep the thread from shitting up.

I'm not sure if you've played with rayn and bugs before, but they will absolutely shit up this thread trying to get the other lynched if they're both town. It will not be pretty. This is mostly an attempt to mitigate that possibility and put it off for as long as possible.

On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.

- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.

- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.

##Vote calix

On May 20 2019 06:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Umm Between Ruxxar and Calix one or both are red, just saying

On May 20 2019 06:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



Heres a better question. What do you think on Ruxxar? Answer my question and I will more than gladly answer yours =)

On May 20 2019 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
This is literally the exact shit I was trying to avoid.

I'm catching up but man alive. I specifically warned against this shit.

On May 20 2019 16:31 Jockmcplop wrote:
What does everyone think about lynching a lurker or someone that is AFK?
I know people in general on here tend to be against policy lynches like that but in the game I played as mafia the way mafia won was by literally not posting (mostly) for the first few days. Is that the standard mafia meta here?
Because if so, iGrok is a great vote.
Otherwise I wouldn't really vote for him based off what he has posted, just what he hasn't posted.

On May 20 2019 18:56 Koshi wrote:

Flips townread on VE to mafia for this shit. Holy fuck are you mafia.

On May 20 2019 19:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
sorry to say but I have to agree with HF here, VE. Actually until his post listing the people he considered in his town circle I would have said BC & Jock are the only ones in my circle but actually I'd be willing to include HF as well

rayn I'd consider the raging hobo who I feel bad for and occasionally give money to but he smells bad and yells a lot so I'd rather put him outside

Anyway you have a chance to be let in, don't worry. I see you knocking at that door. You'll have to help us out on koshi, conversion, and ruxxar first though. Which would you kill right now, at this very moment?

BTW HF is the Koshi bandage something you reckon we rip off now or later? He basically just said he won't stop trolling/shitting the thread up until we vote him out, and honestly given the game so far I don't see any reason for a townie, even Koshi, to blow up this hard

On May 20 2019 20:04 wherebugsgo wrote:


are we even reading the same game right now

On May 20 2019 20:10 Koshi wrote:

Can you react on the things Ruxxar and I brought up?

You are a spammer, you are someone with an opinion on evertything, you are smart and look for reasons behind reasons.

Why are you not you?

On May 20 2019 20:17 Koshi wrote:

Dont.

Answer this.

Did you read the thread and found it possible both VE and rayn were mafia when you made the tinfoil post? Before making that post.

The only acceptable answer is yes.

So follow up:

What did VE do that was mafia before the tinfoil post?

On May 20 2019 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
This is literally the exact shit I was trying to avoid.

I'm catching up but man alive. I specifically warned against this shit.

On May 20 2019 20:13 wherebugsgo wrote:


go read this: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/545657-uninspired-mafia?user=Koshi

and then this: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/533201-elementary-mafia?user=Koshi

And tell me if Koshi is different alignments between the two.

hint: I think you're right that the huge number of short posts are not alignment indicative.

On May 20 2019 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway, we're 100% not lynching Calix today. I think we should encourage Calix to get in here and post actual opinions though, because the more that Calix posts the quicker we can come to a conclusion. That's best for everyone.

I don't believe nitpicking is an effective scumhunting tactic because it opens up an opportunity for the target to respond in a fairly emotional manner as either alignment. and this makes reading them harder. Much more effective would be to actually get Calix to commit to some reads and opinions so that we can see what makes sense and what doesn't; the players who are actively trying to figure out the game and don't have completely whacky opinions and progressions will end up being town.

On May 20 2019 23:51 Conversion wrote:
disfo what is your state of the game right now? literally all I'm seeing is you prodding things and 0 conclusive anythings

who do you watn to lynch? do you agree with bugs and we should lynch ruxxar? what about jock's point on me? anything?

On May 20 2019 23:54 Conversion wrote:


I don't need thoughts on other players, I have caught scum in disformation and am currently meta diving him. I invite you to join me and lynch scum with fire

On May 20 2019 23:57 Conversion wrote:


I don't care about your vote tbh I have 24+ hours to convince people to lynch scum, not play nice with town

On May 21 2019 00:00 Conversion wrote:


the town was an address to a larger group.. I'd like to think you're a bit smarter than trying to nitpick on semantics, Calix

On May 21 2019 00:04 Conversion wrote:


ITT: Calix piggybacks off someone's scum read and then does nothing but tunnel in on to Conversion, and instead of working to convince other people that I am scum, is happily shit-flinging the thread and not entertaining other ideas

I can make you sound like mafia too

On May 21 2019 01:39 ruXxar wrote:


so i spent about an hour reading through filters to refresh and condense my thoughts.
tbh my opnions didnt change much. new development being koshis entry and seeming fairly townish.
im starting to dislike jock a lot, his thread presence is annoying and erratic, i wish he would calm down and focus.
my scum read on calix remains, though i liked her post on conversion.
speaking of: im sensing some fake agression from conversion. might be tryharding to imitate town meta.
i could be swayed to vote conversion today.

On May 21 2019 01:49 ruXxar wrote:


1) the koshi read is due to meta read from previous games, but sure, its not a hard read.

2) its between the two of you

On May 21 2019 01:53 ruXxar wrote:





there is no jock

On May 21 2019 01:54 disformation wrote:

unwillingness to update ones reads in the face of new evidence is usually not town. guess that applied to conv too though...

On May 21 2019 01:59 ruXxar wrote:


how could you possible interpret this to mean jock and calix? like wtf?

On May 21 2019 06:41 Koshi wrote:
I am back to voting Calix. The most grey posts and prudent as fuck.

I am not going to change on that anymore.

She cleaned up her posts today and when I removed my suspicion nothing more came from her. That's not ok.


Final read is that she plays to survive and not to solve the puzzle.

On May 21 2019 06:56 Koshi wrote:

It was not enough Calix.

I dont believe your first post.
I dont believe you read the thread and tinfoil both rayn and ve mafia.

I dont believe your second readpost. I dont like you townread VE there after reading his filter and not by reading the thread. The entire thing reads like you did it to safely backpaddel on the tinfoil.
I dont believe the townread on disformation there. Like come on... what is that.


I simply truly believe you are the best lynch for now. And 48 hous is long enough. No more time to make upsies.

I will read your filter again after your flip.

On May 21 2019 07:34 disformation wrote:

see thing is: i dont think it looks like either her previous town nor her previous scum games? but as i said i dont really want to meta her.
i also dont hate her for being like "imma sheep yo". tl could use a bit more sheep and a bit less ego imo.
thing that bothers me is that she is kinda around, kinda not around.
kinda jives with:

though. dunno if her plan to survive is to call everyone who calls her mafia bad and or scum.

On May 21 2019 07:52 disformation wrote:

uh wat?
isnt the part bolded by me super strange?
calix is saying she is playing way differently than before.
koshi says she isnt playing like town calix.
bugs says she is playing like town calix.

there is def something wrong here

On May 21 2019 07:59 disformation wrote:

getting kinda late here, but i can be around a bit longer.

so head kinda at:
there is something wrong in calix <> wbg <> koshi that i need to look at after ive gotten some sleep.

i think bc hasnt explained the jock reads stuff so I actually have no idea how some reads in his filter came to be, which i dont like the longer the game progresses. the last page of his filter also doesnt carry a lot of good information. liked him better earlier in the game.

On May 21 2019 08:05 disformation wrote:

nah i need to double check if koshi and wbg actually make like sense. xD
like koshi is scumreading both wbg and you? and im kinda seeing his comment on wbg pushing him on calix?
not sure though. but the whole thing seems off to me.

On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.

As I am just finishing the catch up so far.

Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.

Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.

Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront



this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.


VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.

Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.

On May 21 2019 08:19 wherebugsgo wrote:


If you wanna make bad association reads feel free to throw me on the pile because I made literally the same comment on iGrok. This is not the avenue to attack BC for.

Also lynching BC today is not very high value. Yeah, he could be scum, but we’d be ignoring a lot of good evidence and several players much more likely to flip scum than BC.

In fact, if you actually think this, rather than throwing shade on BC just vote iGrok and kill him instead, because we’ll get rid of a useless player and we’ll be able to confirm or deny the association afterward.

On May 21 2019 08:22 disformation wrote:

eh I mean he has a secondary scum read/lean on conversion and also doesnt like jock (though not sure if that means scum).
the dawg/mice post was pretty strange though. fairly threadaware (is that even a word?) for his low activity.

On May 21 2019 17:25 Jockmcplop wrote:


Finding out koshi's alignment is a priority for me too in the next 12 hours. He seems to have strong opinions that don't follow with thread sentiment so if we can figure this one out some other things might fall into place.
How are we gonna go about it?

On May 21 2019 17:35 Koshi wrote:
The good thing about Calix calling me out is that she has to vote me 100%. Funny stuff.

On May 21 2019 17:44 Koshi wrote:
Calix you have to have me as 100% mafia. I am playing super hard. Why? Because I have 2 dead beat mafia friends?? lol

I wouldnt play hard for them.

On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say.

On May 21 2019 17:56 Koshi wrote:

LoL

Nha. You either lost it or are mafia.

On May 21 2019 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Damn I need to ignore Koshi LOL so hard

calix vote ruxxar. Your point on the wagons does not apply to ruxxar, and it’s wrong in some key ways, notably that rayn has been trying to proxy push disformation (through Koshi) for a while now

Also scum would care about keeping the votes spread, which is exactly why ruxxar’s vote is a scum vote and why VE not helping me consolidate on disfo/ruxxar earlier is a huge red flag

On May 21 2019 18:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Calix I already explained myself and mobile posting, go read the game.

You can just read rayn’s last couple filter pages and look for his questions to Koshi

On May 21 2019 18:08 Koshi wrote:

No. This was me telling you that if you are town you should feel bad about yourself.

On May 21 2019 18:22 disformation wrote:
man. conv could be scum after all. also not sure if i like koshi agreeing to that crap.
prolly biased though.

-.-

On May 21 2019 19:28 Jockmcplop wrote:


If calix is scum I have to rethink everything :/

On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.

To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.

Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced

On May 21 2019 19:37 Holyflare wrote:


What has ruxxar posted that makes you town read him?

On May 21 2019 20:00 VisceraEyes wrote:

Also D1 claim is so bad. But its rayn does it mean anything?

On May 21 2019 20:04 disformation wrote:

tbh i also once had a game where i kinda lost my shit as cop n1 and claimed. super horrible. but either way the rayn stuff is prolly resolving itself soonish?

On May 21 2019 20:27 Jockmcplop wrote:


I never said anything like this rayn you are talking shit.
I don't understand why you think you can flat out lie about something that everyone can read in my filter.
I also don't really get why mafia would even try that its soooooo fucking stupid.

I'm tempted to vote you just so I can find out whether calix is scum or not.

On May 21 2019 20:30 Jockmcplop wrote:


The thing is...
If rayn is mafia he's even more retarded than if he's town.
So I wouldn't vote for him on that basis --- as I explained in the above post.

Why are you trying to start a wagon on rayn? Is he your #1 scumread?

On May 21 2019 20:49 disformation wrote:

cause i cant follow your read progression at all, which to me means you are scum trying to make shit up?
dont think its that hard to understand.

like. you can think someone is town without 100% marrying/copying all their reads?

frankly this is getting super annoying

On May 21 2019 20:53 disformation wrote:
jo. bugs, calix do you guys see the problem in bc's read progression too or am i just stupid?

On May 21 2019 20:56 Jockmcplop wrote:


I would like to do this.

I think we need to start working together more.

I'll start with this:

##Unvote

Right conversion, I still think you're scum but my vote will most likely land elsewhere. I'm fed of being being distracted with you putting me on the defensive while I'm trying to figure out more important shit.

WBG: Can you see why I need to figure out calix/koshi???
Calix has almost exactly the same reads as me and is now trying to get the rayn trayn a running. However, Koshi is insisting that calix is scum and we're all stupid for not already knowing that.

So... I need to know whether calix is scum so I can figure out whether or not to reevaluate absolutely everything so far.

What are you thinking on this? I'm sorry for being fucking useless but I don't even know how to figure this shit out at all... especially while koshi isn't here.

On May 21 2019 21:03 Conversion wrote:
@BC my list got lost thanks unresponsive mobile website

the PoE comes down to one of rayn/koshi + disfo + someone else. i have you and wbg as town reads, jock sort of town because never do I see a jock-disfo team from early interactions, except he’s pissing me off for pushing me and saying he’s getting things done when he’s flailing and now he’s essentially soing what I did when Bugs appealed us to get our shitfighting over with

calix jumped off her p. strong scumread (me) fast because thread wasnt gaining traction so that’s really weird. also kind of opportunistic to think she can lynch HF without more consistent posting

I can feel ruxxar’s ideas, but his play is kind of erratic to me. unsure if I can pin him with a team, but he’s a null

koshi is scum read bc he’s playing rather meek. also gives me weird feelings when he’s not actively pushing me as scum. he always does that

thats my tldr. i have a LOT of work to do since I didn’t do anything but yell about disfo so let me read some shit ok?

On May 21 2019 21:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE does on iGrok what rayn does on Jock.

basically they both bring up some really old shit that they can't seem to get past, while townies would holistically look at the situation and incorporate new information as it arrives.

Like they're both basically parroting the same stuff from nearly 2 IRL days ago when there are far better things to look at now.

On May 21 2019 21:10 Conversion wrote:


see this is why i dont wanna post without reading bc ppl just get mad at things when i literally said i have incomplete info

thank u for bringing that up. i’ll reread and reevaluate. are you still lynching hf?

On May 21 2019 21:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

you dont have that much history with HF and you're dumb.

On May 21 2019 21:33 wherebugsgo wrote:


yeah, this would make sense if you actually had a nuanced read here but you don't. Like, you complain constantly about me not explaining reads and when I explain them in a way that you don't like you call me dumb over and over, but when you do it, it's fine and dandy.

Like your reasons this game have literally just been "I've played with this person before and I think this therefore I'm right". I don't recall you doing that kind of thing to the degree I see you doing here in the last game.

Do you have an actual rationale for why it's within ruxxar's towngame for him to do that and not be scum, and why, according to you, people misread him? Like surely if you expect to convince people of that, who haven't actually played with him, you need some way of laying it out?

Similarly on Calix, since you apparently know her history all so well, why don't you spell it out to me?

And now I'm going to include a sentence that predicts you're going to refuse to do this because you refuse to explain such things to people like me who obviously are too dumb to understand, with the hope that me including this sentence would discourage you from actually dodging like that if you're town.

On May 21 2019 21:46 Holyflare wrote:


Ruxxar has played in the same game where I evaded a red check and got the cop lynched and still won. Calix has arguably played less with me than ruxxar, especially as mafia so would know even less about that.

On May 21 2019 21:49 VisceraEyes wrote:

Rayn is town and so am I. Try again.

On May 21 2019 21:49 Holyflare wrote:


You're the bugs of the rayn lynch trying to ram it down our throats and I don't think I like this version.+ Show Spoiler [stuff that I'm thinking in my he…] +

I find it weird how you ask everyone for help on reading calix but feel this passionate about rayn.

On May 21 2019 21:58 wherebugsgo wrote:


on the bright side if we kill Jock and he flips town we could just kill rayn immediately afterward right?

I'd actually love to see what would happen in that case

On May 21 2019 22:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm taking the other route Koshi. I'm just going to contribute so that they feel like fucking SHIT when they lynch me.

On May 21 2019 22:22 VisceraEyes wrote:

Oh I'm not answering questions like that. I'm filtering and giving thoughts, if you have questions on those feel free to ask, but I'm not giving definitive answers at this point.

On May 21 2019 22:26 VisceraEyes wrote:

No man she settled on me as the third I think. Her and Jock both.

On May 21 2019 22:31 disformation wrote:

dunno, open your pm, click the link to the scum qt and check?

jk.
you are kinda hard to follow atm.

is this a follow up on:

?

On May 21 2019 22:35 disformation wrote:
yeah not sure if he was "pretending" to be you or bugs.
since he was like "Guis I think Calix is mafia." I was thinking bugs.

On May 22 2019 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah yeah mafia people rayn/ve/koshi are killing you, find a new song?

On May 22 2019 03:11 VisceraEyes wrote:


Re: the bolded, who is the obvious mafia we're ignoring? BC? iGrok? I get frustration at being wagoned but we're ALL in here talking about the best lynch, rather than complain maybe join in?

On May 22 2019 03:16 Holyflare wrote:


Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him?

On May 22 2019 03:16 VisceraEyes wrote:

I mean, the thing is the active people have a scumread on rayn. So maybe widen your serach parameters? You clearly have a problem with Jock/iGrok....not sure WHY you have a problem with iGrok since you have stated suspicion yourself or whatever but you complained about it....so besides rayn who most everyone active NOW has a townread on, who else would you kill? Disfo? Artanis?

Like....as the leading wagon you can take two roads: freak out and look bad, cementing votes on you or contribute and POSSIBLY MAYBE convince someone. Regardless of your alignment, it should be a no-brainer.

For the record, I'm aware of the irony of myself posting this considering my track record this game, but I think you'll find with a quick meta dive that I REEEEEEALY dislike votes on me regardless of my alignment, and I tend to not practice what I preach.

On May 22 2019 03:20 Holyflare wrote:


Do you think the reasons for wanting to lynch jock were bad? Do you disagree with my case that he was caught out in an inconsistency?

On May 22 2019 03:40 Holyflare wrote:


Do you think it's not scummy because of the emotional stuff afterwards or did you think it was not scummy before?

Also, if it was inconsistent, you can imagine that some people DID find it scummy right?

So, Rayn found it scummy and it WAS an inconsistency so his case WASN'T actually that bad and he thinks it's a slam dunk and solely wanted to vote Jock and was afk for a very long time. That's the crux of rayn's play this game. Is that scummy?

On May 22 2019 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Yes, this is a real waffle but I get a good feeling from Calix's posts every time she feels convicted about stuff that just seems honest (apart from the re-entry).

On May 22 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
It might be important just to keep you alive ya know? Just sayin.

On May 22 2019 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
Can you just drop rayn for like 2 god damn seconds and talk about your feelings on iGrok? He's posted accusations at you and you haven't really acknowledged his existence despite being your mafia read.

Quote some of his posts, tell us why he's wrong.

With iGrok, I think it's suspicious that his reads 'change' but they're always convenient. Like at his first catch-up, he 'wanted to lynch disformation/ ruxxar' who were people who were being banded around as mafia suspects. Now he has some 'other scum reads' with the HF thing but he still includes me as an option. It's thread sentiment but he's not stating that's what he's doing.

On May 22 2019 04:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Wait what? I'm posting just agreeable things? That's garbage. I was the first on WBG's case, first on BC, and have had unpopular opinions pretty much the entire game. The first time I'm joining thread sentiment is on Calix, which I disagreed on with people scumreading her on her first post already. As for 'convenient timings', it's whatever work allows me, and limited by 2 hours a day which I've already mentioned.

@Calix

Can you reply to the last bit?

On May 22 2019 04:23 Koshi wrote:

Dont read his post and just spam he is mafia. Better tactic.

On May 22 2019 04:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Have you played with Rayn before?

On May 22 2019 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote:

I mean, but you keep saying he's "pushing mafia agenda" which you wouldn't know what the mafia agenda is unless you're on the mafia team. We all use buzzwords, let's not kid ourselves.

On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:
Lunch break.



I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.

HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.

HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.

On May 22 2019 04:39 iGrok wrote:

Uhh... I can't speak for BC but my "waffle" read on BC is because I don't have strong town or strong scum points for him. Please quote a single post of mine in which I have made a strong case either for or against him.

On May 22 2019 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chances are he's rb/killed before we even have to think about it. That's at least part of why rayn is off the table today for me.

On May 22 2019 04:44 iGrok wrote:

Koshi, who I think is very Town, believed that I thought BC was mafia, when in fact I did not. I explained my reasoning for the null read to him, because I want him to understand my train of thought.

On May 22 2019 05:20 Holyflare wrote:
3 days is too bad for mafia team

On May 22 2019 05:27 disformation wrote:
honestly i just wish he could remember why he noted down the good ruxxar post as needing review...

On May 22 2019 05:26 Koshi wrote:
Even if he waffled on bc.

On May 22 2019 05:31 disformation wrote:

mhhh... wbg, grok, bc game solved?
cause koshi had this just now:

On May 22 2019 06:29 iGrok wrote:
I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in.

I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch.

On May 22 2019 06:37 disformation wrote:
wait.



so hf is a mean scummer going against ppl when momentum builds against them, such as calix, which makes calix the obvious lynch?

On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote:
Because I don't think I can get HF lynched.

On May 22 2019 06:48 iGrok wrote:

I haven't engaged with anyone really, because up until now, whenever I've checked back in there's been over 20 pages to read over and process, so I just got my thoughts out in the open, briefly interacted, and slept/went to seminar.

On May 22 2019 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Calix join me and lynch iGrok. It's certainly better than a five way 2 vote split.

On May 22 2019 06:52 Holyflare wrote:
It's like pulling teeth to lynch a guy that hasn't even posted anything with evidence to back up :D why

On May 22 2019 06:56 iGrok wrote:
Don't call me doll, sugar.

In your last couple posts, your characterization of me has been both "you never bothered to ask me anything or make accusations, etc" to "you were definitely engaging with me". If all my questions have been asked by other people, and you've answered, why would I ask them to you again?

@VE, right now I've got a couple green points on you and one pink (not really scummy but contradicts something I thought about you). I mean if you want me to die then I guess... vote for me? You still think Koshi is Obv-town, right?

On May 22 2019 06:56 disformation wrote:

like. i have no idea whats going on and i am not sure if i want to laugh or cry and then i see the vc and think i should prolly cry.

i mean look at that post:

"oh right none of my stuff makes sense, let me think about that".
is that really a post scum makes?
and on the other hand its like nearing the end of a 72h cycle and id like to go to bed in 1h and i have 0 clue where the guys head is at...

On May 22 2019 07:06 Koshi wrote:

Ohh now he is mafia. When momentum swings to iGrok and you will do everyrhing for it to stay there. Oki

On May 22 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote:

You are mafia. I am voting mafia.
BC is maybe mafia. Why would I vote maybe mafia?

On May 22 2019 07:31 disformation wrote:
aight. so im gonna ask everyone present to take a look at this fine case once more:


cause i think this has a good chance of hitting scum and didnt get talked about a lot.
and ill have another tea (prolly bad idea at this time, but we) and then ill be around for a bit and decide what i want to do with this shitshow

On May 22 2019 07:41 Calix wrote:
Like I can vote for BC too.

But I think both iGrok/ BC are mafia. And town-reads are voting for both [well, with the exception of Artanis but I don't think he's scummy lol] so I have no reason to be suspicious of either train.

So the question is, do you think there's a world where iGrok is town and BC is mafia or whatever?

On May 22 2019 07:54 disformation wrote:

not gonna dig into unflipped associations.
i can consolidate on grok, if nobody wants to go bc, before i have to go to bed.

lemme try to explain.
bc we have a solid case on.
with grok i have a bit of a sense that it is so outlandish that it can come from pants on head town. like in my head it is not that easy as scum to just drop a thing you were working like "oh you are right, lemme rethink" without being super defensive or explainy? like just flat drop it. especially when there isnt that much time in the day and then be like "oh glad you pointed it out maybe i can figure it out before dl". when he has a real good chance to be lynched.
like its obv not great and cradling the of too scummy to be scum line, but it gives me a weird gut feeling.

On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote:
I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.

If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.

Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing.
Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either...

On May 22 2019 08:26 wherebugsgo wrote:


No, he did mention he was reading ruxxar earlier when he entered a long time ago. Sounds like the simpler solution is to read his post at face value, because he mentioned to me earlier in the game he wasn’t convinced on ruxxar

On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.

"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.

I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.

That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.

On May 22 2019 08:41 disformation wrote:
i feel mostly tired and would be happy for you two to cooperate for a second.
for the most part bugs seems reasonable and ruxxar def. did do jack today despite being around-ish.
slightly bad gut feeling about grok as mentioned earlier, but i also wont be super sad if we end up voting him.
would like bc more but that is not happening so i am willing to cooperate and not fucking off

On May 22 2019 08:45 disformation wrote:
aight. lets go.
##Unvote
##Vote: ruXxar

On May 22 2019 09:30 iGrok wrote:

Well that’s just... ugh.

On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote:
Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.

Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it

On May 22 2019 19:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Calix and VE liking the BC case and then never actually moving their vote when they didn't seem convinced by the leading wagons makes my boner to lynch all of them that much harder.

On May 22 2019 20:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I read it as trying to find a lynch without being the one to hard push for it. iGrok wasn't particularly strongly pushed by anyone, even HF. With the alternative lynch being yourself, there weren't many good options until WBG started pushing RuX.

However, it doesn't make that much sense for VE as he'd already had a scumread on iGrok from the start. It wouldn't be hard for him to explain switching to iGrok. I still don't understand why he didn't press BC harder when he started feeling suspicious on him though.

As for yourself, you had already positioned against lynching iGrok in the past and were clearly on the fence between him and BC, but you never interact with BC in any meaningful way. Also, there's this:

Whilst not voting for BC yourself. It doesn't feel like you actually want to lynch BC which doesn't line up to me with how your read progression went when it was becoming clear Rayn wasn't an option today.

On May 22 2019 20:31 disformation wrote:

oh he is going for a logic attempt. let me try to translate and see if it makes sense:




read:
one of calix, ruxxar is town
one of calix, hf is town
one of ruxxar, hf is town
ruxxar has a different alignment from hf
one of ruxxar, hf, calix scum

so he is basically saying "all 3 of them look super scummy to me, but it makes no sense for them to be a team, so lemme look for the one that is most likely scum and afk my vote there"

On May 22 2019 20:38 disformation wrote:

yeah. the progression or read kinda makes sense if you think from his pov.
but i also agree with you that i am not a fan of him parking the vote again on hf, after earlier being like "cant get him lynched anyways".
but then i dont think anyone was in thread, so it prolly didnt super matter anyways?

On May 22 2019 20:43 Koshi wrote:


*Insert random question that pretend shows I am scumhunting but instead shows I am not thinking about the game myself and really dislike to analyse situations and make conclusions about them. Not to speak of forcing my conclusions on the thread like every fucking townie does from time to time*

On May 22 2019 20:50 wherebugsgo wrote:


I have a question for you Calix

Since you've played a couple games as town against Koshi now, did you ever manage to catch him in those two previous games?

Did he play like this in either of those two ones?

How about the opposite, when you were scum vs his town?

On May 22 2019 20:54 wherebugsgo wrote:


you have the benefit of hindsight now, do you think this play is more similar to his town or scum games?

If I had the power to smite Koshi and rayn both out of the game I probably would, even though sadly I have a townread on rayn and sort of a community town read on Koshi

On May 22 2019 20:56 Calix wrote:


Wish I could be more useful but I actually don't know. I see both town and mafia in his play.