On May 15 2019 21:44 wherebugsgo wrote: VE is LI the game where you and Toad bussed each other, I shat up the thread d1 and then on d2 tunneled you so hard your team wanted to double stack me? And then the cohost posted the list of scum when he posted your flip?
On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.
I was hoping someone else would be around
???????????????????
Rayn's post was BEFORE the host cleared it up how the fuck is it NAI? He either got a pm saying he was town vanilla which is absolutely not the case because it's not that or he doesn't know what the fuck the role even was called
I'm talking about you pressuring rayn on it rather than rayns comment itself hombre
On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.
I was hoping someone else would be around
???????????????????
Rayn's post was BEFORE the host cleared it up how the fuck is it NAI? He either got a pm saying he was town vanilla which is absolutely not the case because it's not that or he doesn't know what the fuck the role even was called
I'm talking about you pressuring rayn on it rather than rayns comment itself hombre
On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.
I was hoping someone else would be around
One of those is saying you're talking about my alignment and the other is talking about my point about rayn.
What exactly is your stance on the Rayn post?
I worded it weirdly but I meant it regarding your alignment alone. Your question was the thing that I found NAI. I'm waiting for Rayn to answer my question before drawing conclusions.
On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.
I was hoping someone else would be around
???????????????????
Rayn's post was BEFORE the host cleared it up how the fuck is it NAI? He either got a pm saying he was town vanilla which is absolutely not the case because it's not that or he doesn't know what the fuck the role even was called
I'm talking about you pressuring rayn on it rather than rayns comment itself hombre
On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.
I was hoping someone else would be around
What exactly is your stance on the Rayn post?
QUOTE]On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it?
No plan. I just thought it would be fun.[/QUOTE] I'm quite fine with it.
To elaborate, I expected scum rayn to claim he could catch scum out by them saying their role pm wrong/be defensive. I expect town rayn to either have an elaborate plan to catch people jumping on people on it and jumpstart the thread, or precisely doing what he did. He's not trying to look good or manipulate so I think he's townish for now.
On May 19 2019 21:18 Jockmcplop wrote: Hi VE can you help me figure out what bugs was thinking when he confirmed hf as town because I'm confused and WBG doesn't seem to be around to answer for me.
You're like some supreme detective ultra skilled town player right??
SHOW ME YOUR WAYS.
There's no way hf can be confirmed town from anything he posted. I'm struggling to see WBG as an over eager townie making such a simple mistake so early on.
Bro I was going to say something but then HF KEPT TALKING about rayn.
On May 19 2019 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: What? I copy pasted my first post from last game and changed some words and order lol.
Why would you bother doing that when it would be quicker just to type 'I'm VT'?
I mean like seriously dude that's one massively inefficient way to type a small introductory message.
It doesn't really matter either way though. It has no impact on his alignment.
Rayn, what was the plan behind it?
Yeah but nothing's happening so I was trying to get mileage out of the only interesting thing and I just find it a weird way to post. Its not really scummy** but its more just funny and interesting to think about rayn saying hello in such a convoluted way.
**(not as scummy WBG townreading hf for no reason though)
I agree and hope that Bugs comes and answers your question.
Lets not forget the extremely handsome man who pointed it out first though.
On May 19 2019 21:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: To elaborate, I expected scum rayn to claim he could catch scum out by them saying their role pm wrong/be defensive. I expect town rayn to either have an elaborate plan to catch people jumping on people on it and jumpstart the thread, or precisely doing what he did. He's not trying to look good or manipulate so I think he's townish for now.
Artanis goes in the town bu...
.....
*puts his Artanis chit back in his pocket*
...not so fast. I like this post and it says the things I'm saying. But I can't call you town for that just yet. You understand.
On May 19 2019 21:28 VisceraEyes wrote: HF playing with unwarranted confidence is like, par for the course regardless of his alignment.
He may be right that rayn is mafia, but that he's trying to angleshoot to prove it and back it up with bad meta is.,...boring af.
Does anyone have any suspicions that do NOT have to do with rayn and his role PM?
I suspect I'm boarding a plane home in an hour.
Well good luck with those security checks :O
I'm already past security! Just waiting for the gate announcement. Flying easyjet from berlin so its not too far. Schoenefeldt airport is apparently way too busy for its size though. Would not recommend.
On May 19 2019 21:40 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not going to bother explaining myself when I can just boost my own ego by quoting HF's post on me. Y'all can go read that and figure out what my alignment is. + Show Spoiler +
although confirmed town is an exaggeration, I think it should be obvious why I consider HF town and rayn not, at least with this amount of info.
I also really like how everyone besides HF is arguing on the behalf of rayn and every time rayn posts he makes himself look worse. Let him talk about other things, his defense so far is not getting us anywhere.
I dont believe your attitude here is real. I feel a disconnect between the first paragraph and the spoiler. There's like three different contrasting emotions in here and I find it hard to reconcile as anything other than putting up a front.
On May 19 2019 21:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm saying it would have been suspicious for ME to do it. Artanis had placed suspicion in the thread, I hadn't really.
I am slightly concerned with how concerned you are about how you look yet slightly unconcerned with how open you are about it.
On May 19 2019 21:40 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not going to bother explaining myself when I can just boost my own ego by quoting HF's post on me. Y'all can go read that and figure out what my alignment is. + Show Spoiler +
although confirmed town is an exaggeration, I think it should be obvious why I consider HF town and rayn not, at least with this amount of info.
I also really like how everyone besides HF is arguing on the behalf of rayn and every time rayn posts he makes himself look worse. Let him talk about other things, his defense so far is not getting us anywhere.
I dont believe your attitude here is real. I feel a disconnect between the first paragraph and the spoiler. There's like three different contrasting emotions in here and I find it hard to reconcile as anything other than putting up a front.
##vote wherebugsgo
You are probably really good. Which I find annoying. Also you guys had a really mediocre song and I dont understand the world.
I haven't even heard it yet. I did get out to the departure hall like 5 seconds before the dude did. Bunch of cheering behind me "DUNCAAN!!!". Felt like a rock star pretending it was all about me, then annoyed by how long it took to get past the screaming fanboys.
On May 19 2019 21:40 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not going to bother explaining myself when I can just boost my own ego by quoting HF's post on me. Y'all can go read that and figure out what my alignment is. + Show Spoiler +
although confirmed town is an exaggeration, I think it should be obvious why I consider HF town and rayn not, at least with this amount of info.
I also really like how everyone besides HF is arguing on the behalf of rayn and every time rayn posts he makes himself look worse. Let him talk about other things, his defense so far is not getting us anywhere.
I dont believe your attitude here is real. I feel a disconnect between the first paragraph and the spoiler. There's like three different contrasting emotions in here and I find it hard to reconcile as anything other than putting up a front.
##vote wherebugsgo
You are probably really good. Which I find annoying. Also you guys had a really mediocre song and I dont understand the world.
I haven't even heard it yet. I did get out to the departure hall like 5 seconds before the dude did. Bunch of cheering behind me "DUNCAAN!!!". Felt like a rock star pretending it was all about me, then annoyed by how long it took to get past the screaming fanboys.
My first wish on my birthday was to not see Holland win. 😭
You're in luck! Holland didn't participate as it's not a country
On May 19 2019 22:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I think today (irl, first 24 hours) would be a lot more productive if everyone operated under the assumption that A) rayn is not lynchable and B) bugs is not lynchable. My reasoning is this: from what I've seen both of them are going to be relatively active during this cycle, and there's a non-zero chance that they're both town. IF they're both town, there's a >50% chance that this thread is completely ruined by the end if this first 24 hours. So in the spirit of getting everyone to look at the game holistically, I'd like it if everyone just IGNORED rayn and bugs today (first 24 hours) and then if we still want to lynch into them then we pull them back into the pool next day.
To that end I'm going to unvote and reread everything.
Quite unlikely, but I am going to be so amused if the scumteam is something like VE/WBG/Rayn.
I also really don't mind the Calix entry post as much as some people. Can be hard entering a game that's already started when your actual opinions just follow thread sentiment. Echoing it can be useful for people to know where you stand and it didn't feel like she was trying to pass it off as something she came up with.
On May 20 2019 21:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also really don't mind the Calix entry post as much as some people. Can be hard entering a game that's already started when your actual opinions just follow thread sentiment. Echoing it can be useful for people to know where you stand and it didn't feel like she was trying to pass it off as something she came up with.
Do you think Calix normally plays differently? That's what koshi is getting at. Are we supposed to expect more?
I have no idea. I recall her being pretty good a while back, but the entry alone doesn't bother me.
On May 19 2019 23:32 Calix wrote: While I can see where you're coming from with wanting to avoid a flame war, I don't think disregarding players as lynch candidates [even if only temporary] is a good idea just because they MIGHT act like shitters And if they will do that then better to get it out of the way IMO.
This really just makes it sound like you want to lynch townies. I really don't like the feels.
On May 19 2019 23:32 Calix wrote: While I can see where you're coming from with wanting to avoid a flame war, I don't think disregarding players as lynch candidates [even if only temporary] is a good idea just because they MIGHT act like shitters And if they will do that then better to get it out of the way IMO.
This really just makes it sound like you want to lynch townies. I really don't like the feels.
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Can you explain how this shows Calix wants to lynch townies?
"better to get it out of the way" suggests not actually thinking they'll flip scum to me. The tone of the post in general doesn't suggest that she thinks they'll likely flip scum, which when juxtaposed with her Rayn position doesn't make a whole lotta sense.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players?
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy.
VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.
Says basically nothing.
Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed:
Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it.
40 minutes for 4 pages, fuck this game. I signed up with the intent of spending 2 hours max per day, if even that. Gonna skim the rest of the thread and filter BC. If you want my opinion on anyone specific let me know.
On May 20 2019 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: After that post.
Early thread leanings
VE - Town Rayn - Null - possible town
HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum
Ruxxar - Lean scum Callix - Scum
On May 20 2019 06:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Rayn, take a step back and take a chill pill. Regardless of what else Jock has posted in thread, his most damning post is the one I quoted. Again, I want at least VE or Bugs, preferably both and a few others to talk on it and I will say why.
However at this point, Ruxxar and Calix are the 2 scummiest people in thread. I mean I would actually kill Ruxxar over Calix at this point but we also have 48 hours or some nonsense left to get information on people.
What changed between these two posts? This was all that was posted by them in between:
On May 20 2019 06:44 ruXxar wrote: i dont know jocks meta, but i find it extremely unlikely he is mafia.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
Please elaborate on specifics on when Calix did these things so that I can cross reference what you actually mean and if it's bs or not.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post right here it almost makes me wanna vomit how artificial it is
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
I don't know what you refer to with 'too certain of [her] opinions' or 'tries to find the best angle to defend them' given that all I've really done so far is sheep people. Which I am going to continue doing for various reasons.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
Umm Between Ruxxar and Calix one or both are red, just saying
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
Umm Between Ruxxar and Calix one or both are red, just saying
Did he not read RuXxar's post the first time? Why is he suddenly more scummy than Calix?
On May 20 2019 22:26 Jockmcplop wrote: Artanis what do you think of the post above. Is this kind of subtle change within the bounds of what could naturally change about the way someone posts from one game to the next??? I can't tell if its a good scum read or not. HELP ME. It might be nothing, i just noticed a change in his post style and having looked through a couple of filters that was what jumped out at me.
Will get to it once I'm through with BC's filter. Can you take a look at my post in the meantime?
On May 20 2019 06:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: HF. Ignoring Rayns case on Jock. What do you think of
On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it?
No plan. I just thought it would be fun.
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
I want VE and Bugs to comment on this now please.
On May 20 2019 07:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Come on bugs. Answer what I asked youuuuu
Why do you keep caring so much about this when you don't end up with a strong read on any of the participants? And why just VE and Bugs?
On May 20 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm starting to think VE is mafia. He's behaving differently to last game in his posting style. Last game he was blue, but the difference is weird.
On May 02 2019 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh no, you don't cut into rayn's sauna time with this Pandain. Let him answer it post-lynch. A non-sauna'd rayn is an unhappy rayn.
On May 03 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote: But really Bugs, I'm telling you, it's not interesting from that point on. Pandain can feasibly be excused for his posting due to the thread rate at the time. The really telling bit is at the beginning of the game when he was town.
On May 03 2019 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Man rayn that's painful.
Like all it looks like to me is someone who's not used to playing with you taking umbrage with your playstyle. You didn't like his answers, but he DID answer.
I'm definitely not seeing the mafia that you see. If there's something I'm missing, hit me up with it.
On May 02 2019 09:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Just fucking saying and now you made me angry.
On May 03 2019 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote: You know what
No.
Pandain.
No.
You don't get to come in here and jizz all over the thread about "trying to lynch the gf" when A) you had literally zero credibility beyond your ability to provide ONE vote, and not even a vote OFF the main wagon. It was a useless vote on Rels that went nowhere and meant nothing, just like the Vivax vote.
In fact, it makes sense to me that the mafia team would be trying to capitalize on a possibly MODKILLED GF.
##Vote: Pandain
Notice how he directly addresses people by name when he's talking to them, as if he's trying to cooperatively play the game as part of a town team hunting scum.
not a single example of that in this game. Not once.
Is that a mafia tell? Dunno, but its a weird change in posting style.
Also important... In the last game he did the following thing when he was trying to get people lynched:
On May 03 2019 21:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Join the Pandain Counterwagon of Greatest Glory tm
I haven't seen anything like that either.
I see what you're saying in terms of naming people in that way. Quite an interesting point and it seems to be true but I don't put a lot of stock in it. In general, I feel VE's been extremely open in a way that I find hard to attribute to mafia. His quick switch from voting WBG to iGrok also was very unnecessary from a mafia perspective. There was no pressure on him to contribute more, yet he did so anyway. The one thing that moderately concerns me is the amount of time he spends thread policing, but I really can't vote him this game. Why, you ask?
On May 20 2019 00:49 VisceraEyes wrote: At least your self awareness of it looks good.
What do you think of Artanis so far?
On May 20 2019 00:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, besides that he's really attractive.
On May 19 2019 23:32 Calix wrote: While I can see where you're coming from with wanting to avoid a flame war, I don't think disregarding players as lynch candidates [even if only temporary] is a good idea just because they MIGHT act like shitters And if they will do that then better to get it out of the way IMO.
This really just makes it sound like you want to lynch townies. I really don't like the feels.
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Can you explain how this shows Calix wants to lynch townies?
"better to get it out of the way" suggests not actually thinking they'll flip scum to me. The tone of the post in general doesn't suggest that she thinks they'll likely flip scum, which when juxtaposed with her Rayn position doesn't make a whole lotta sense.
You realise this means get their tantrum out of the way not lynch them right?
That's not how I read it and I'm not sure how you got there.
On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote: Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane?
I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment.
On May 20 2019 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote: I’m 100% down to kill ruxxar based on that single post alone btw
What makes iGrok's vote just weird and RuXxar bad?
Also
On May 20 2019 08:20 wherebugsgo wrote: alright I’m officially putting rayn in the ignore pile.
Also I don’t know how anyone can say they are 100% sure on reading Jock either way, especially someone who played last game and witnessed us mislynch him in the presence of virtually identical rhetoric
WBG indicates he feels Jock is playing virtually identically to last game.
On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out). Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment.
sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together
I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1.
Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading
I am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row.
I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one.
I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given:
1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative 2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads. 3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm.
Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced.
WBG, can you explain in what way his rhetoric is the same yet his playstyle is different? To me, this reads like you're appeasing BC's reasons for his read despite them at the very least somewhat disagreeing your assertion. You then throw shade on your own opinions as well. What's going on here?
On May 20 2019 23:00 wherebugsgo wrote: man I might actually be right here
ruxxar put up a weak front when responding to me and then just disappeared, while everyone else has just gone on to talk about all sorts of other things. Koshi's entrance and almost every entrance since then (like Artanis's) just make it easier for him to continue hiding. He's still the best lynch here. disformation's response isn't completely awful, and Conversion's response to Jock feels a bit overblown but it's easier to ignore him for now and let him calm down a bit because it reduces variance.
On May 19 2019 23:32 Calix wrote: While I can see where you're coming from with wanting to avoid a flame war, I don't think disregarding players as lynch candidates [even if only temporary] is a good idea just because they MIGHT act like shitters And if they will do that then better to get it out of the way IMO.
This really just makes it sound like you want to lynch townies. I really don't like the feels.
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Can you explain how this shows Calix wants to lynch townies?
"better to get it out of the way" suggests not actually thinking they'll flip scum to me. The tone of the post in general doesn't suggest that she thinks they'll likely flip scum, which when juxtaposed with her Rayn position doesn't make a whole lotta sense.
You realise this means get their tantrum out of the way not lynch them right?
That's not how I read it and I'm not sure how you got there.
this is to everyone, but mostly you and VE because you are the ones asserting this:
rather than assume what Calix is saying why not just get Calix to say it directly? Nitpicking someone is not a great way to establish their alignment
Of course Calix will say that it was the way HF presents it as it's in her best interests. I don't really see any benefit to that.
On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I can't understand WBG's read progressions.
On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote: Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane?
I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment.
On May 20 2019 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote: I’m 100% down to kill ruxxar based on that single post alone btw
What makes iGrok's vote just weird and RuXxar bad?
iGrok's vote is weird because it's singularly based on the role breadcrumbing. I already explained this in detail in a previous post so I'm just going to quote myself:
On May 20 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote: Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie.
Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it. What do you think of conversion?
I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh.
I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass.
If your point on iGrok is that he’s scummy because his only reason for voting rayn was the host thing, then yes, I disagree with that point. Back when I was fairly new to the forum (and iGrok used to play as well) we’d kill people over slips like that and I think there was an impression that it was a fairly effective way to find scum. I think there have been several games in which someone got screwed by role breadcrumbing, to the point where it got banned. I never thought it was a reliable way to catch scum but lots of people disagreed with me, and given iGrok’s tenure I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s in that camp.
I’m giving him a pass because I don’t think lynching him has high value prop here. Like I said earlier he really doesn’t look all that different to me than Rels did last game. OTOH several other players look worse to me based on post content, notably ruxxar, disformation, and conversion.
On May 20 2019 08:20 wherebugsgo wrote: alright I’m officially putting rayn in the ignore pile.
Also I don’t know how anyone can say they are 100% sure on reading Jock either way, especially someone who played last game and witnessed us mislynch him in the presence of virtually identical rhetoric
WBG indicates he feels Jock is playing virtually identically to last game.
On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out). Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment.
sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together
I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1.
Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading
I am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row.
I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one.
I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given:
1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative 2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads. 3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm.
Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced.
WBG, can you explain in what way his rhetoric is the same yet his playstyle is different? To me, this reads like you're appeasing BC's reasons for his read despite them at the very least somewhat disagreeing your assertion. You then throw shade on your own opinions as well. What's going on here?
in the presence of identical rhetoric == what other people are saying about Jock. Last game half the game jumped on his ass almost out of the gate on day 1 because his style changed, and I started seeing elements of that here as well, particularly from rayn. I myself eventually participated in mislynching Jock last game because I ended up not liking Jock's responses to me.
So you're stating that whilst Jock's approach to the game is differently, it's the manner in which people respond to him that's the same? I'm not sure how that is a relevant point as it has no relevance on his alignment. How do you feel he's playing this game compared to previous games and why do you feel so solid in townreading him now?
On May 20 2019 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya I'm okay with BC honestly Artanis, the posturing and strawmen you mentioned in your first point about HF and rayn bidness just kinda feels like the way townBC thinks about the game. Trying to draw a line between the way townHF ended up playing last game and the way he's playing this game. Dunno I'm not seein what you see there.
HEY ARTANIS LOOK AT THIS POST
HI JOCK I SEE THE POST THAT WAS MADE 4 MINUTES AGO
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?
On May 20 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm starting to think VE is mafia. He's behaving differently to last game in his posting style. Last game he was blue, but the difference is weird.
On May 02 2019 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh no, you don't cut into rayn's sauna time with this Pandain. Let him answer it post-lynch. A non-sauna'd rayn is an unhappy rayn.
On May 03 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote: But really Bugs, I'm telling you, it's not interesting from that point on. Pandain can feasibly be excused for his posting due to the thread rate at the time. The really telling bit is at the beginning of the game when he was town.
On May 03 2019 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote: NO RAYN I DIDN'T
I will though, because I like you.
On May 03 2019 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Man rayn fuck is this a MSPaint timeline case?
If it is rather than read it I'd like you to draw it in MSPaint.
On May 03 2019 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Man rayn that's painful.
Like all it looks like to me is someone who's not used to playing with you taking umbrage with your playstyle. You didn't like his answers, but he DID answer.
I'm definitely not seeing the mafia that you see. If there's something I'm missing, hit me up with it.
On May 02 2019 09:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Just fucking saying and now you made me angry.
Is it possible you're just mad?
On May 03 2019 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote: You know what
No.
Pandain.
No.
You don't get to come in here and jizz all over the thread about "trying to lynch the gf" when A) you had literally zero credibility beyond your ability to provide ONE vote, and not even a vote OFF the main wagon. It was a useless vote on Rels that went nowhere and meant nothing, just like the Vivax vote.
In fact, it makes sense to me that the mafia team would be trying to capitalize on a possibly MODKILLED GF.
##Vote: Pandain
Notice how he directly addresses people by name when he's talking to them, as if he's trying to cooperatively play the game as part of a town team hunting scum.
not a single example of that in this game. Not once.
Is that a mafia tell? Dunno, but its a weird change in posting style.
Also important... In the last game he did the following thing when he was trying to get people lynched:
On May 01 2019 10:51 VisceraEyes wrote: You should bring your sword and lynch Jock with us.
On May 03 2019 21:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Join the Pandain Counterwagon of Greatest Glory tm
I haven't seen anything like that either.
i mean... a) you yourself said that ppl shouldnt meta you on a change of posting style since you mix it up on purpose? b) you could go to the database and dig out town and mafia games of VE and look for yourself if that could be a meta case?
My response to a) is that its probably different getting a meta read on someone who's been here for years compared to trying to do the same with someone who's only ever played 3 games of mafia. Of course I'm going to change up my style, I'm doing it deliberately. I would expect someone who's been here for ages to settle in to a posting style and not make weird small changes like that.
b) I'm going to do exactly this when I have time but I'm at work so I don't have an hour or two to spare to do that rn.
aight, fair enough i guess. dont like to meta ppl i havent played with a lot or off games i wasnt involved in.
meanwhile: ve/art: can you explain the wbg scumread to me like i'm 3, I didnt quite get it while catching up yesterday. if your read changed in the meantime ill also take an update on that
On May 19 2019 21:40 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not going to bother explaining myself when I can just boost my own ego by quoting HF's post on me. Y'all can go read that and figure out what my alignment is. + Show Spoiler +
although confirmed town is an exaggeration, I think it should be obvious why I consider HF town and rayn not, at least with this amount of info.
I also really like how everyone besides HF is arguing on the behalf of rayn and every time rayn posts he makes himself look worse. Let him talk about other things, his defense so far is not getting us anywhere.
I dont believe your attitude here is real. I feel a disconnect between the first paragraph and the spoiler. There's like three different contrasting emotions in here and I find it hard to reconcile as anything other than putting up a front.
On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I can't understand WBG's read progressions.
On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote: Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane?
I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment.
On May 20 2019 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote: I’m 100% down to kill ruxxar based on that single post alone btw
What makes iGrok's vote just weird and RuXxar bad?
iGrok's vote is weird because it's singularly based on the role breadcrumbing. I already explained this in detail in a previous post so I'm just going to quote myself:
On May 20 2019 16:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:21 Holyflare wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote: Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie.
Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it. What do you think of conversion?
I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh.
I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass.
If your point on iGrok is that he’s scummy because his only reason for voting rayn was the host thing, then yes, I disagree with that point. Back when I was fairly new to the forum (and iGrok used to play as well) we’d kill people over slips like that and I think there was an impression that it was a fairly effective way to find scum. I think there have been several games in which someone got screwed by role breadcrumbing, to the point where it got banned. I never thought it was a reliable way to catch scum but lots of people disagreed with me, and given iGrok’s tenure I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s in that camp.
I’m giving him a pass because I don’t think lynching him has high value prop here. Like I said earlier he really doesn’t look all that different to me than Rels did last game. OTOH several other players look worse to me based on post content, notably ruxxar, disformation, and conversion.
On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also
On May 20 2019 08:20 wherebugsgo wrote: alright I’m officially putting rayn in the ignore pile.
Also I don’t know how anyone can say they are 100% sure on reading Jock either way, especially someone who played last game and witnessed us mislynch him in the presence of virtually identical rhetoric
WBG indicates he feels Jock is playing virtually identically to last game.
On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out). Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment.
sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together
I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1.
Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading
I am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row.
I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one.
I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given:
1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative 2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads. 3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm.
Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced.
WBG, can you explain in what way his rhetoric is the same yet his playstyle is different? To me, this reads like you're appeasing BC's reasons for his read despite them at the very least somewhat disagreeing your assertion. You then throw shade on your own opinions as well. What's going on here?
in the presence of identical rhetoric == what other people are saying about Jock. Last game half the game jumped on his ass almost out of the gate on day 1 because his style changed, and I started seeing elements of that here as well, particularly from rayn. I myself eventually participated in mislynching Jock last game because I ended up not liking Jock's responses to me.
So you're stating that whilst Jock's approach to the game is differently, it's the manner in which people respond to him that's the same? I'm not sure how that is a relevant point as it has no relevance on his alignment. How do you feel he's playing this game compared to previous games and why do you feel so solid in townreading him now?
it does have relevance on his alignment, because if he's changed his alignment several times and people are saying that's a reason to call him scum, why wouldn't I call that out? I thought that BC was saying that Jock looks scummier for changing his style in this game, for the third time in a row, so I wanted to cut that off because I thought it's a bad argument; I think it's not alignment indicative especially because Jock said in post-game that he was intending on trying out new things again. Granted, BC clarified and said he was just saying he wants to keep Jock on a watchlist for the style change so this really doesn't mean much at this point.
I'm confident in townreading him because 1. he caught at least one thing I purposely let go and didn't point out myself to see if others would catch onto the same ideas and 2. based on several things he's said and done in thread it genuinely seems to me like he's trying to figure out the game. I honestly don't really care about comparing Jock's play to past games because I already feel like I can read him from his posts in this game alone. I only use meta when I have a certain hunch about some particular behaviour that a player is exhibiting and I want to figure out whether that lies more often in their town vs scum game.
##Unvote Annoyingly I'm satisfied with your posts for today. I'll have to figure out what I'm doing tomorrow. Gonna spend some time with the wife now.
We're not horrible, we're just making sure you weren't! In fact we're trying to make sure you're ok.
Please don't replace. I'll call you confirmed town all game if I have to.
No hard feelings to any of you, you're all just playing the game the way you're supposed to, but I also can't use mental health as a bargaining chip to get called a townie cos that's bullshit.
My heart rate was elevated for the entire walk home from work. I'm fine though. I like the logic and stuff that goes with this game but maybe I have hangups about rejection (or something like that) that makes me freak out when accused. Obviously that doesn't go well with playing mafia.
Hey man, I understand exactly where you're coming from. When I started out (and a whole bunch later as well), I was always anxious when people called me mafia as well. I have some anxiety problems as well as Aspergers and it can definitely make an impact on your enjoyment of the game.
What helps me is creating a distance between the role you're fulfilling in the thread and who you are. When people call you mafia, or the even better "mafia or bad (hi Rayn)", they're not saying anything about you as a person but they're trying to solve the game. I'm sure you know this intellectually, but it's something that I think is worth actually processing. Even people cursing at others is usually just outing their frustration rather than being directed at you specifically.
Next to that, the Mafia community is actually full of awesome people. I've known VE for like a decade or something and he's so much fun to banter with. I've amused myself countless times with HF just saying 'hello' on voice a lot and annoying my wife. Rayn and Rels even were at my wedding. Speaking of my wife, I met her on TL Mafia (Rsoultin). It's a great community and everyone looks out for each other as soon as it's clear things get serious. Even if you don't end up playing more, which I'd understand entirely, I do hope you stick around as I think you're pretty cool. The mafia community is like a rowdy mosh pit. You can get an elbow to the face, but if you fall down everyone'll help to pick you up immediately.
On May 22 2019 01:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And on that happy note, fuck you all for spamming this thread so much. I am still only playing 2 hours a day max and I can't read all this shit > : (
Seriously. I'm pretty close to petitioning for a vote for a post cap
I def won't play any games without one in the future. My workless hobbyless no life days are behind me. I have no idea how VE does this stuff with a family.
On May 22 2019 01:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And on that happy note, fuck you all for spamming this thread so much. I am still only playing 2 hours a day max and I can't read all this shit > : (
Seriously. I'm pretty close to petitioning for a vote for a post cap
I def won't play any games without one in the future. My workless hobbyless no life days are behind me. I have no idea how VE does this stuff with a family.
On May 22 2019 01:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And on that happy note, fuck you all for spamming this thread so much. I am still only playing 2 hours a day max and I can't read all this shit > : (
Seriously. I'm pretty close to petitioning for a vote for a post cap
I def won't play any games without one in the future. My workless hobbyless no life days are behind me. I have no idea how VE does this stuff with a family.
I have no idea how i do this stuff when working 3 days 16 hr a day. Or how i did in 2015 working almost as much for a MONTH playing three games at one time lynching mafia all D1 (that was an accomplishment i am really proud of tbh ^^). Well yeah no judging, you do what you can do. But how about you play when you do instead of telling why you cant play?
There's a bunch of things I dislike about Calix and then some I like. Dislike: Saying Koshi is lying about his read on her but not calling him out, sudden focus on Rayn again after being on Conversion for a while for seemingly no reason when she stated that she doesn't think Koshi/Rayn can be scum together and clearly indicated a strong suspicion of Koshi. The tinfoil she had on Rayn/VE was bad too, and I didn't like how unfocused she was for large parts of the game.
But then she started honing down on Rayn recently. She got the wagon started and I'm not sure if that's a play she would make as mafia. Rayn is notoriously hard to lynch and a significant number of people seemed on board with Conversion. It'd only make sense if she's scum with Conversion to me. It feels like she really believes in that lynch.
The biggest question I have is what changed, Calix? Why are you suddenly so gung-ho on Rayn again after switching your focus halfway through the day?
On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say.
"Even if he's not mafia, he's basically 4th mafia so let's kill him."
Not a legit scum read. Rayn can go back in the scum pile too.
What did Rayn post between your initial scumread on him and this post that made you think he was town?
I actually like Conversion's filter and not at all for its contents but for its passion. I feel he believes in his read and do not wish to lynch this man today. He really should calm down though. His tunnel is too strong for me to trust that he's representing Disfo's filter accurately. His comparative filters are more than a year old but just the fact that he's filter diving old games makes me townread him pretty confidently.
On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote: of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs. actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds.
So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return.
Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town?
You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit?
The irony is real.
I also have absolutely no idea why he's suddenly scumreading VE. He mentioned he'd read his filter and then never commented on it at all, just 'fear-reading' the guy. I have absolutely no idea why he thinks VE is scum, nor why he'd vote him over any of his other scumspects that have a likelier chance of actually flipping.
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
Shockingly, the three people he wants to lynch are people who have called him scum/prodded him.
On May 21 2019 20:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote: of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs. actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds.
So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return.
Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town?
You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit?
The irony is real.
I also have absolutely no idea why he's suddenly scumreading VE. He mentioned he'd read his filter and then never commented on it at all, just 'fear-reading' the guy. I have absolutely no idea why he thinks VE is scum, nor why he'd vote him over any of his other scumspects that have a likelier chance of actually flipping.
We lynch calix
I'm okay with a Calix lynch compared to all the other people with votes on them, though I still need to actually read RuX. ##Vote Calix Please read BC's filter thoroughly though.
I was indifferent on Rux' first half but hot damn he brings out the fire later. Few posts but rich in content. Pointing out BC's scummy reaction and going in against HF are ballsy moves, especially when it would've been easy to just stick to Calix. There is a voice in the back of my head wondering if he really believes he can actually get HF lynched, and I want to know what he thinks of BC now.
On May 22 2019 04:05 Holyflare wrote: This game is very confusing. I feel like every time I accuse somebody of something it's like trying to ram a jigsaw piece that doesn't quite fit. That usually means one of the people that are town read by lots of people is playing well. There are a few outliers though. I think Artanis just posts really agreeable things and decides to leave each time so he doesn't draw attention to himself. I think iGrok basically just sheeped consensus and couldn't be fucked to expand on his read on me.
Wait what? I'm posting just agreeable things? That's garbage. I was the first on WBG's case, first on BC, and have had unpopular opinions pretty much the entire game. The first time I'm joining thread sentiment is on Calix, which I disagreed on with people scumreading her on her first post already. As for 'convenient timings', it's whatever work allows me, and limited by 2 hours a day which I've already mentioned.
@Calix
On May 22 2019 02:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: There's a bunch of things I dislike about Calix and then some I like. Dislike: Saying Koshi is lying about his read on her but not calling him out, sudden focus on Rayn again after being on Conversion for a while for seemingly no reason when she stated that she doesn't think Koshi/Rayn can be scum together and clearly indicated a strong suspicion of Koshi. The tinfoil she had on Rayn/VE was bad too, and I didn't like how unfocused she was for large parts of the game.
But then she started honing down on Rayn recently. She got the wagon started and I'm not sure if that's a play she would make as mafia. Rayn is notoriously hard to lynch and a significant number of people seemed on board with Conversion. It'd only make sense if she's scum with Conversion to me. It feels like she really believes in that lynch.
The biggest question I have is what changed, Calix? Why are you suddenly so gung-ho on Rayn again after switching your focus halfway through the day?
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.
Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
On May 22 2019 04:05 Holyflare wrote: This game is very confusing. I feel like every time I accuse somebody of something it's like trying to ram a jigsaw piece that doesn't quite fit. That usually means one of the people that are town read by lots of people is playing well. There are a few outliers though. I think Artanis just posts really agreeable things and decides to leave each time so he doesn't draw attention to himself. I think iGrok basically just sheeped consensus and couldn't be fucked to expand on his read on me.
Wait what? I'm posting just agreeable things? That's garbage. I was the first on WBG's case, first on BC, and have had unpopular opinions pretty much the entire game. The first time I'm joining thread sentiment is on Calix, which I disagreed on with people scumreading her on her first post already. As for 'convenient timings', it's whatever work allows me, and limited by 2 hours a day which I've already mentioned.
@Calix
On May 22 2019 02:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: There's a bunch of things I dislike about Calix and then some I like. Dislike: Saying Koshi is lying about his read on her but not calling him out, sudden focus on Rayn again after being on Conversion for a while for seemingly no reason when she stated that she doesn't think Koshi/Rayn can be scum together and clearly indicated a strong suspicion of Koshi. The tinfoil she had on Rayn/VE was bad too, and I didn't like how unfocused she was for large parts of the game.
But then she started honing down on Rayn recently. She got the wagon started and I'm not sure if that's a play she would make as mafia. Rayn is notoriously hard to lynch and a significant number of people seemed on board with Conversion. It'd only make sense if she's scum with Conversion to me. It feels like she really believes in that lynch.
The biggest question I have is what changed, Calix? Why are you suddenly so gung-ho on Rayn again after switching your focus halfway through the day?
Can you reply to the last bit?
To answer this and your other question [the one about 'what made me town-read rayn?'], here's what I remember about how it went. After pressuring rayn...I actually don't recall town-reading him at all. Pretty sure I just forgot about him because he disappeared for a while.
Then when I was attacking Koshi, rayn appeared. I was reminded of how scummy rayn was because all his posts were, in my opinion, pushing mafia agenda. And if you need more elaboration then read my filter because I've repeated myself a lot at this point.
ANYWAY but then I was like "don't think these two are on a team together" and concluded rayn was scummier than Koshi, therefore Koshi...had...to be town?
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.
Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
On May 22 2019 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Like if he's a parity cop and he lives long enough to report? You lynch it automatically REGARDLESS of the report because A) he shouldn't have lived that long and B) it will confirm his report. EZPZ.
Uhhh..
Godfather - Returns as town to cop checks [Not Optional - Passive]
Framer - Targets a player once per night, that player returns the opposite alignment to cop and parity cop checks for that night. If the Godfather is framed, they return 'mafia' to checks. [Optional]
Unaware Wandering Miller - A regular VT who receives the same role PM as a VT. Each night a random player is chosen. UWM counts as having visited that player during the night. UWM also counts as mafia for the purposes of cop and parity cop checks. [Not Optional - Passive]
On May 22 2019 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Chances are he's rb/killed before we even have to think about it. That's at least part of why rayn is off the table today for me.
How is him claiming/getting rbed going to help determine his alignment, VE?
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players?
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy.
VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.
Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.
On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it?
No plan. I just thought it would be fun.
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed:
Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it.
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?
Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.
In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.
Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing.
So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.
Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.
So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.
I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.
Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +
On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again
rayn voted: D1 - mafia
bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town
i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real.
gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix
When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
3. Super aggro posting as he often does in scum games:
On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This thread is such a clusterfuck.
Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar.
I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours?
Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten?
This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus.
and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong.
This post is particularly funny as he shits on the thread whilst not producing any alternatives himself.
On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove.
On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red.
On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote: of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs. actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds.
So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return.
Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town?
You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit?
4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him.
5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all.
On May 22 2019 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote: He's not, he's trusting townread bugs and fearing my skill
If that's true, that makes him vote you over his other three actual scumreads that he could actually get lynched in what world as town? When has BC ever fear pushed someone over his actual scumreads?
On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC is on my radar.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players?
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy.
VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.
Says basically nothing.
Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.
On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it?
No plan. I just thought it would be fun.
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed:
Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it.
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?
Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.
In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.
Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing.
So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.
Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.
So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.
I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.
Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +
On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again
rayn voted: D1 - mafia
bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town
i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real.
gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix
When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
3. Super aggro posting as he often does in scum games:
On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This thread is such a clusterfuck.
Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar.
I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours?
Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten?
This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus.
and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong.
This post is particularly funny as he shits on the thread whilst not producing any alternatives himself.
On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove.
On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red.
On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote: of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs. actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds.
So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return.
Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town?
You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit?
4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him.
5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all.
Pls kill.
Lynch the Cobbler. Lynch the man who will bleed red. Do it for justice. Do it for Liquidia. Do it because it's right.
Calix and VE liking the BC case and then never actually moving their vote when they didn't seem convinced by the leading wagons makes my boner to lynch all of them that much harder.
On May 22 2019 19:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Calix and VE liking the BC case and then never actually moving their vote when they didn't seem convinced by the leading wagons makes my boner to lynch all of them that much harder.
K but why do you have Koshi and WBG in the wrong place? Koshi also scum-read BC but didn't bother moving his vote when iGrok [town-read] was the leading train to make BC [someone he at least scum-reads] a viable wagon, choosing instead to stay on me after it became really unlikely I would die. Fail to see how you read his near-EOD posts and conclude 'town'.
Koshi's energy is something I've found he really struggles to emulate as scum. I don't think the amount of effort he's put into this game is within his scum range.
On May 22 2019 19:28 Calix wrote: Also if you think VE and I are mafia then shouldn't iGrok be higher up on your list since VE and I both voted for him over BC?
Don't really get your reads.
It might be if you guys actually stayed on iGrok, but you both switched to RuX in the end.
On May 22 2019 19:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Calix and VE liking the BC case and then never actually moving their vote when they didn't seem convinced by the leading wagons makes my boner to lynch all of them that much harder.
Ah you’re here for only two hours right? So this is my only chance
Two things I’d like you to explain:
1. If BC and VE are scum why was BC willing to help me push VE? And why would VE say that BC was buddying me/not actually believing in the case on VE himself if they’re both scum?
2. Why would either Calix or VE vote BC at EOD when igrok reached the lead? They seemed far more into killing iGrok than BC
3. Where is disformation?
Not 2 hours straight today, don't have the time. Will check in on my phone from time to time.
1. I don't think he believed that VE would ever take off with his thread presence. Can you quote the second thing?
2. I'm talking about when I cased BC. Both of them said they liked the case, and neither seemed that convinced that they wanted to lynch iGrok. It was a moment where no one was really sure who they wanted to lynch.
3. Forgot about him. I guess he's townish since he wants to lynch the Cobbler with me but that's about all I remember.
On May 22 2019 19:43 Calix wrote: So you think 'no one was really sure who they wanted to lynch' - which sounds like a bunch of uninformed townies struggling to decide on a lynch - yet conclude that 2/4-5 people at EOD who fit this description are...mafia? Wouldn't we, I dunno, have wanted to lynch iGrok to save our mafia buddy BC who could've been lynched?
Obviously hypothetical but I don't think your theory makes sense and it's not just cos I'm in it.
Personally I thought EOD felt pretty clean myself.
I read it as trying to find a lynch without being the one to hard push for it. iGrok wasn't particularly strongly pushed by anyone, even HF. With the alternative lynch being yourself, there weren't many good options until WBG started pushing RuX.
However, it doesn't make that much sense for VE as he'd already had a scumread on iGrok from the start. It wouldn't be hard for him to explain switching to iGrok. I still don't understand why he didn't press BC harder when he started feeling suspicious on him though.
As for yourself, you had already positioned against lynching iGrok in the past and were clearly on the fence between him and BC, but you never interact with BC in any meaningful way. Also, there's this:
On May 22 2019 07:05 Calix wrote: Hey Koshi, you'd literally be more helpful if you shut the fuck up and vote for BC instead. Since I'm probably not getting lynched at this point. And you'd actually be voting for mafia then.
Whilst not voting for BC yourself. It doesn't feel like you actually want to lynch BC which doesn't line up to me with how your read progression went when it was becoming clear Rayn wasn't an option today.
On May 21 2019 21:45 VisceraEyes wrote: OMG BC is voting for me and I jsut bet you he never did open my filter.
That means he's voting for me on YOUR behalf bugs. Not that that's a problem for me. Just thought I'd mention it because while you think I'm scum I might as well act like scum.
I do intend to help this game, I said I'd sheep. I'll help with flip information, it's real easy. Don't lynch me over people who aren't playing that's fucking stupid and retarded. Why are you even considering that shit?
This one artanis
I don't see how that post makes it difficult for them to be scum together.
On May 22 2019 19:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Calix and VE liking the BC case and then never actually moving their vote when they didn't seem convinced by the leading wagons makes my boner to lynch all of them that much harder.
Ah you’re here for only two hours right? So this is my only chance
Two things I’d like you to explain:
1. If BC and VE are scum why was BC willing to help me push VE? And why would VE say that BC was buddying me/not actually believing in the case on VE himself if they’re both scum?
2. Why would either Calix or VE vote BC at EOD when igrok reached the lead? They seemed far more into killing iGrok than BC
On May 22 2019 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Confirmed town: Jockmcplop
Town: Holyflare Conversion Koshi
Townish: Raynpelikoneet
Null: iGrok wherebugsgo
Scummish: Calix VisceraEyes
Lynch with fire: The Cobbler
AMA.
bc: totes scum calix, ve: totes scum for saying they like the case but refusing to vote disfo: only guy to vote totes scum and only other guy to at least try to get ppl to vote bc: *insert tumbleweed gif*
not sure if that makes you scum, but I feel kinda insulted -.-
Sorry buddy <3 wanting to lynch the Cobbler with me earns you townpoints, but I literally don't remember a single other thing you've really done this game. It kinda feels like you're being a cheerleader. Can you point me to some of your original thoughts this game?
On May 22 2019 23:05 VisceraEyes wrote: disformation do you have thoughts on Artanis? Your filter doesn't give me much of a hint.
sure. didnt have much posts going early game, but nothing screamed scum to me. came in with the good bc stuff, which i gave him a lot of town points for. didnt mind his other posts as far as i can recall. now i am a bit miffed and not sure if I wasnt a bit to hasty with the town points. prolly just irritated at him leaving me out.
What do you think about the fact that he goes from townreading me to scumreading me based on me not joining his BC wagon? He claims that it's suspicious because I liked his case, and I'll admit that I did jokingly assent to ONE point in his case, but these were the other posts that Artanis is conveniently leaving out...
On May 20 2019 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya I'm okay with BC honestly Artanis, the posturing and strawmen you mentioned in your first point about HF and rayn bidness just kinda feels like the way townBC thinks about the game. Trying to draw a line between the way townHF ended up playing last game and the way he's playing this game. Dunno I'm not seein what you see there.
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
After his SECOND appearance to come in and focus on BC to exclusion.
On May 22 2019 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote: WAIT THAT DOESNT SOUND LIKE BC AT ALL
I guess I can see how this LAST two post interaction could be construed as "agreeing with BC's case" if you squint, but the fact remains that I consistently say I'm not into lynching BC this phase. Consistently. But somehow I'm suspicious for not lynching BC this phase? shawhaaaaaaaaa?
Yes, those last two posts are what made me believe that you agreed with my case on BC. It was also the last thing you said about him, and you then proceeded to completely ignore it which sets off some serious alarm bells.
On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote: why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Uhh what?
On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC is on my radar.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players?
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy.
VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.
Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.
On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it?
No plan. I just thought it would be fun.
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed:
Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it.
My first post espousing suspicion on BC. Unless you count this weaksauce as suspicion:
On May 20 2019 14:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I also want more out of Artanis, Igrok and Koshi. But they are all players id like substance of some sort to make an opinion on either way given that they are basically all non posters atm
He didn't say anything about me until I cased him.
On May 23 2019 00:08 Koshi wrote: Calix BC Artanis
I do actually think VE might be town though. Him trying to talk down people on points he thinks are weak on me whilst still scumreading me comes off pretty genuine and I dnu why he wouldn't just pile up on me with thread sentiment against me.
On May 23 2019 04:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I do actually think VE might be town though. Him trying to talk down people on points he thinks are weak on me whilst still scumreading me comes off pretty genuine and I dnu why he wouldn't just pile up on me with thread sentiment against me.
Okay who do you think is mafia?
WBG maybe? His thread policing without really taking any hard stances himself feels like he's just keeping his options open right now. He's also just pointing out a bunch of things without following up on his thoughts.
On May 22 2019 23:42 wherebugsgo wrote: wait, me, Artanis, and BC all called VE scum...
hmm
Okay, what are you doing with this?
On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote: why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Was untrue, didn't check and just checked out. I need to dig into him further though.
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.
It's daytime!!! I hope you're all excited for the sun to be out for basically ever. I'm not so I'll be in here, try not to get any blood on my stuff.
Nobody died. It is now day time. Please remember to vote in the voting thread. --VOTING THREAD HERE--
Another reminder that this game's timecycle invites the thread to balloon out of control. For the sake of everyone reading the game, please try to condense the multi-posting to fewer or preferrably 1 post.
until Night 2. (Sunday, May 26 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)) remember that voting is mandatory.
Yay
On May 23 2019 14:56 Jockmcplop wrote: ##vote artanis
On May 23 2019 19:33 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Artanis
On May 23 2019 19:40 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Artanis[xp]
Boo.
On May 23 2019 19:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ##vote Artanis
On May 22 2019 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Confirmed town: Jockmcplop
Town: Holyflare Conversion Koshi
Townish: Raynpelikoneet
Null: iGrok wherebugsgo
Scummish: Calix VisceraEyes
Lynch with fire: The Cobbler
AMA.
can U explain ur town read on me at this point in time? u made one post on me so im curious
On May 22 2019 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I actually like Conversion's filter and not at all for its contents but for its passion. I feel he believes in his read and do not wish to lynch this man today. He really should calm down though. His tunnel is too strong for me to trust that he's representing Disfo's filter accurately. His comparative filters are more than a year old but just the fact that he's filter diving old games makes me townread him pretty confidently.
This was the post I made on you and I haven't looked back at you since. I don't consider inactivity alignment indicative so there's not really been anything that changed my mind, though I find myself begrudgingly liking some of BC's recent posts which annoys me greatly.
On May 23 2019 20:37 wherebugsgo wrote: Hi all. This might be my only post before I go to bed today. I'm not sure there was any indication anybody read my last post but I recommend you all to read it.
For this analysis, unless explicitly mentioned, when I talk about "player(s)" I will not include myself.
A lot of players, myself included, seem very confused about the state of this game. However, every player has taken at least one hard stance on their own merits, all with their own reasons...except for three players.
One of those three players is on the lynch list for today. The other two are "off-world" reads that only two, maybe three players have really at any point scumread.
I don't know how I feel about that yet but thought I would throw this observation in the thread. Anyone who can correctly identify which 3 players I am talking about, cases and votes one of them without waffling wins town points in my book.
First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well.
The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them.
On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.
The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best.
As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied:
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.
Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC:
On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote: why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement.
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement.
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.
Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you.
If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it.
"Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed.
Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines.
On May 24 2019 05:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: For conversion as he asked me why I stuck to my initital scum read of Artanis. Note that what I am posting Isn't just the first thing it is what makes me keep my read after taking a step back.
On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC is on my radar.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players?
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy.
VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.
Says basically nothing.
Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.
On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it?
No plan. I just thought it would be fun.
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed:
Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it.
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?
Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.
In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.
Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing.
So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.
Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.
So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.
I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.
Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +
On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again
rayn voted: D1 - mafia
bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town
i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real.
gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix
When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
3. Super aggro posting as he often does in scum games:
On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This thread is such a clusterfuck.
Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar.
I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours?
Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten?
This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus.
and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong.
This post is particularly funny as he shits on the thread whilst not producing any alternatives himself.
On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove.
On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red.
On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote: of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs. actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds.
So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return.
Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town?
You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit?
4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him.
5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all.
Pls kill.
This is the main post. I posted reasoning in thread before as to why however for the coles notes.
He completely misinterprets my meta and should know better, cherry picks posts to make a false narrative and then lies about things I have done. Like, I can't see past that personally and I tried. I just can't see town doing all of those things.
Your meta is that you are aggro as scum, no? The examples I posted show that you've been aggro this game, and your reaction to my scumread of you was a continuation of that.
Cherry picking to make a false narrative in what way? You've been aggro at the time I made my case and afterwards, though not as much today (which is, again, part of why I've been re-evaluating you).
On May 24 2019 06:24 Holyflare wrote: Really dislike the non-eu friendly deadline when most of the game is EU though, makes voting info a bit pointless for a lot of people.
On May 23 2019 22:06 wherebugsgo wrote: here's my response to Artanis since I was bored. Feel free to ignore this post if you think you will get any of my reads for today, because it contains none. I'm off to bed in a couple of hours and I'll be back in the morning.
On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well.
The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them.
On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.
The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best.
As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied:
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.
Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC:
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement.
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.
Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you.
If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it.
"Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed.
Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines.
##Vote wherebugsgo
nice try but too much stretch. You might want to reread what I said, slower this time, and take it at face value rather than assuming I'm scum before reading it.
1. This hinges on me remembering one thing wrong, and then admitting that I was wrong, being a scumtell. Of course that's silly, unless you expect town me to have a photographic memory. All this while I am lying in bed, phoneposting, about to fall asleep, wondering what to think about something weird I remembered. Don't believe me? Check the time stamp.
2.The second post proves I am not lying that my best recollection was that your first read of BC was when you cased him. What proof? The fact that I wrote "before Artanis cased him" when I woke up and again checked the thread.
3. It feels to you like I'm trying to stay above the discussion because I literally said that's my intention. I don't want to be an active participant in the thread today because being an active participant in the thread yesterday was not helpful for me to solidify enough reads, and today I want to see who takes hard stances without me convincing them to take hard stances, cause that's not really a hard stance if it's me convincing them.
1. It's not the admittance that you're wrong being a scumtell, it's how you go about it. Tonal like I said, which was very different from how HF replied.
2. I am not saying you're lying about not remembering. I'm saying that you missing a crucial detail like that when I've been on your case this game already, and BC being one of your top townreads means I find it weird you'd miss it as town, and find it more likely you simply don't care as much because you already know our alignments.
3. I can see it from that angle. Nevertheless, it's an easy strategy to apply as scum.
Lastly, for bonus points, I decided I'd respond to this too:
On May 23 2019 04:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I do actually think VE might be town though. Him trying to talk down people on points he thinks are weak on me whilst still scumreading me comes off pretty genuine and I dnu why he wouldn't just pile up on me with thread sentiment against me.
Okay who do you think is mafia?
WBG maybe? His thread policing without really taking any hard stances himself feels like he's just keeping his options open right now. He's also just pointing out a bunch of things without following up on his thoughts.
On May 22 2019 23:42 wherebugsgo wrote: wait, me, Artanis, and BC all called VE scum...
hmm
Okay, what are you doing with this?
On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote: why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Was untrue, didn't check and just checked out. I need to dig into him further though.
1. "without really taking any hard stances" <- right, I didn't take any hard stances when I moved mountains at EOD to get four people to sheep me on my read of ruxxar, in order to, you know, get my top scumread lynched. Nor did I take any hard stances when I was literally the only person hard defending both Jock and Calix for a majority of the day. Nor did I take any hard stances when koshi/rayn asked me for a full read of the game, or when I literally posted my spreadsheet for everyone to read. I think perhaps you may also be implying that because I've said, plainly and clearly, that I intend to stay on the sidelines today, that also means I don't intend to take any hard stances today, which is just silly because I never said that: I just said I'm not going to take any new hard stances right now.
2. See prior explanations for not checking, and in addition: Saying "w/e. Too much thinking", while phoneposting, prior to going to sleep is of course a great indication that I have an intention to double check that immediately, rather than let the players who shared the sentiment that BC OMGUSed Artanis check it and either correct me or back me up while I'm asleep. Cause my intention is to do...what exactly? Make myself look scummier? Or perhaps it makes more sense that town me would want help in achieving clarity on this from someone who did share that sentiment, during a period when I know I will not be able to check myself?
Okay that last part at EOD I need to check out as I was asleep and never really processed, but if true then my scumread on you is pretty shite. Regarding defending Jock: I'm pretty sure I did that too. Your spreadsheet contained a bunch of percentages that don't mean anything without backing them up. Also if you're following up on things I guess it's fine and fuck this shit game is hard
On May 24 2019 06:43 Holyflare wrote: Can you point me to places where he's been consistently angry (his mafia meta)? Or places you've pointed that out?
On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [...]3. Super aggro posting as he often does in scum games:
On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This thread is such a clusterfuck.
Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar.
I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours?
Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten?
This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus.
and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong.
This post is particularly funny as he shits on the thread whilst not producing any alternatives himself.
On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove.
On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red.
On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote: of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs. actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds.
So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return.
Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town?
You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit?
On May 24 2019 18:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm here, gonna read HF's massive dump on iGrok now.
Can you respond to #3011 and the few posts after please??
I just looked over it and I don't see any questions in it addressed to me? Obviously I believed in what I said. Your 'questions' read more like convictions so I dunno what you want from me really. I've already had part of my BC and WBG cases rebutted and now I'm looking into where to go from here.
On May 24 2019 18:44 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't like it though. The ideas you use to read WBG should have also lead to other reads imo that you failed to make. Defensive, closed minded behaviour has been on display more than anything else in this game, I don't get why only one guy gets called out for it.
Can you point out to me who you're thinking of exactly? I may be able to point out the difference in tone as to why it struck me with WBG whereas it didn't with others. It may also be that I simply wasn't around at the time or have a different meta read on others, as there's plenty of players in the game I've played with many times before.
On May 24 2019 18:44 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't like it though. The ideas you use to read WBG should have also lead to other reads imo that you failed to make. Defensive, closed minded behaviour has been on display more than anything else in this game, I don't get why only one guy gets called out for it.
Can you point out to me who you're thinking of exactly? I may be able to point out the difference in tone as to why it struck me with WBG whereas it didn't with others. It may also be that I simply wasn't around at the time or have a different meta read on others, as there's plenty of players in the game I've played with many times before.
Yes but I'm at work so serching through the thread is a pain.
You gonna be here in about 2 hours?
Nope, got a late shift tonight for which I need to leave around that time but I'll be around more on Saturday for sure.
Points I like in HF's case: Summary posts on HF/VE for seemingly no reason. Seems like posting for the sake of posting. His case on Calix being scum being more of a towncase iGrok scumreading HF for things he townread him for earlier Not trying to figure out between Calix/HF who scum is. Doesn't seem to have townie uncertainty (was 'proven' wrong in Calix/HF not being able to be scum together, still feels it has to be his top scumread and the others have to be town)
Points I don't care about: Calling HF/Calix dumbtown over the vote thing. I feel like it's more him calling them 'dumb' for doing things he disliked and caused him to scumread them to begin with.
Points I dislike: Fake vote. People do stupid shit in the early game for no reason. He didn't try to claim any kind of cred for it either. Implying iGrok called Rux boring. He only did so for Disfo, so it isn't inconsistent that he has a 'hidden thought' on him.
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I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
"Look guys I did a townie thing please notice!"
Something else I noticed:
On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote: [...]I dont have a strong read on BC [...]
HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.
On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote: I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.
If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.
Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing. Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either...
So Rux became more townie, but still is less townie than BC. I wasn't active during this time, so who is now scummier than Rux and why haven't we heard about it?
Also the iGrok defense post doesn't really do much for me. He posts about how tunneling is bad despite tunneling HF since mid day 1, which is part of HF's case.
So Rux became more townie, but still is less townie than BC. I wasn't active during this time, so who is now scummier than Rux and why haven't we heard about it?
He never said ruxxar became more townie? Just that calix and myself overtook him apparently. The part about his picture showing VE as red is even better though.
What I mean is that in my first quote, there are only two players scummier than Rux: You and Calix. By the second post, he's saying that other active players have become more scummy relatively to him due to their activity. Yet, he never mentions these mysterious people.
On May 24 2019 19:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Artanis is good seeing you dog I'm sorry you can't be as active as others this game.
Are you mafia?
It hurts me to hear you ask this
Oh no it doesn't you get out.
Like I know how inactive as town you can be and it's worse this game than that.
Also the points against you are salient.
Don't act all hurt bbyboi, you should be happy that someone in this town cares to look.
You remember me from a time when I didn't have a job and a wife my friend, I haven't played much at all since then. Please do not try to read me from activity as it will lead you astray.
Please tell me which salient points cannot be rebutted by time invested compared to thread length and I will address them.
On May 24 2019 19:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Artanis is good seeing you dog I'm sorry you can't be as active as others this game.
Are you mafia?
It hurts me to hear you ask this
Oh no it doesn't you get out.
Like I know how inactive as town you can be and it's worse this game than that.
Also the points against you are salient.
Don't act all hurt bbyboi, you should be happy that someone in this town cares to look.
You remember me from a time when I didn't have a job and a wife my friend, I haven't played much at all since then. Please do not try to read me from activity as it will lead you astray.
Please tell me which salient points cannot be rebutted by time invested compared to thread length and I will address them.
How come you obsed in the last game where BC was mafia but didn't know that his mafia game looked completely different to what he's posting here?
I asked for the obs QT because Tina was in the game and I wanted to taunt her with knowing what people were talking about. It doesn't mean I actually followed the game lol, just what she vented at to me.
On May 24 2019 19:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Artanis is good seeing you dog I'm sorry you can't be as active as others this game.
Are you mafia?
It hurts me to hear you ask this
Oh no it doesn't you get out.
Like I know how inactive as town you can be and it's worse this game than that.
Also the points against you are salient.
Don't act all hurt bbyboi, you should be happy that someone in this town cares to look.
You remember me from a time when I didn't have a job and a wife my friend, I haven't played much at all since then. Please do not try to read me from activity as it will lead you astray.
Please tell me which salient points cannot be rebutted by time invested compared to thread length and I will address them.
How come you obsed in the last game where BC was mafia but didn't know that his mafia game looked completely different to what he's posting here?
I asked for the obs QT because Tina was in the game and I wanted to taunt her with knowing what people were talking about. It doesn't mean I actually followed the game lol, just what she vented at to me.
On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise.
I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia.
In addition to what i have said about calix is this:
On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote: IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
[...]
I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder.
I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol...
I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town.
I tried killing you yesterday. It did nothing. Even if I make a case on you, people will say 'oh but his PC claim' or 'but his meta' and you will not die. I do not waste precious time on making a case on someone nobody wants dead. Especially when I could lynch my other scum-read instead.
Anyway.
I'm not sure how likely it is that iGrok and Artanis are both scum. If they were working together, I think they'd be trying to lynch me instead of...whatever the fuck it is they're doing.
Artanis seemed pretty happy to have no scum-reads for ages until he sheeped HF's big post on iGrok [which was the vote that put iGrok in the lead btw].
Meanwhile iGrok seems like he wants HF gone. [I say that but his response to HF did not read like he thought HF was mafia at all]
Anyway I don't have much else to add. A lot of the recent pages could be cut out and it would not have changed my reads at all. I still think iGrok is WAY scummier than Artanis. The most feasible town motive people [I think BC?] came up with was that he makes notes and puts in effort but a lot of people have been doing that so I don't think that's really AI.
I'm not sure on the third mafia. Probably in Artanis/ Koshi/ BC. Artanis is mafia if he doesn't step it up but I have enough doubt about him to not want him dead. Koshi is self-explanatory with his filter. BC's main selling point for him being town is the meta thing. I personally think he looks mafia but I could be misreading him because of our different playstyles so am willing to give him a chance.
What? I was asleep/busy after not scumreading BC/WBG anymore, and you by proxy as the way you went about BC being a large part of my read on you. As soon as I came back to the thread I started reading his case and ended up scumreading him. Is this your main qualm on me? What was your read on me based on before yesterday?
On May 24 2019 20:53 Holyflare wrote: Can some Artanis specialist like disfo explain Artanis' read on bugs in some brief timeline like manner and where he stands on bugs now?
not sure what makes me the resident art specialist, but arts filter is not huge so let me give it a shot:
very early game (may 19th) scum reads bugs for a disconnect in one of wbg's posts. + Show Spoiler +
On May 19 2019 21:40 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not going to bother explaining myself when I can just boost my own ego by quoting HF's post on me. Y'all can go read that and figure out what my alignment is. + Show Spoiler +
although confirmed town is an exaggeration, I think it should be obvious why I consider HF town and rayn not, at least with this amount of info.
I also really like how everyone besides HF is arguing on the behalf of rayn and every time rayn posts he makes himself look worse. Let him talk about other things, his defense so far is not getting us anywhere.
I dont believe your attitude here is real. I feel a disconnect between the first paragraph and the spoiler. There's like three different contrasting emotions in here and I find it hard to reconcile as anything other than putting up a front.
##vote wherebugsgo
comes back next day (may 20th), starts on bc. checks wbg's filter. says he doesnt understand some things in wbc's filter. interacts with wbg on it. says hes okay with wbgs responses + Show Spoiler +
On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I can't understand WBG's read progressions.
On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote: Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane?
I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment.
On May 20 2019 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote: I’m 100% down to kill ruxxar based on that single post alone btw
What makes iGrok's vote just weird and RuXxar bad?
iGrok's vote is weird because it's singularly based on the role breadcrumbing. I already explained this in detail in a previous post so I'm just going to quote myself:
On May 20 2019 16:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:21 Holyflare wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote: Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie.
Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it. What do you think of conversion?
I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh.
I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass.
If your point on iGrok is that he’s scummy because his only reason for voting rayn was the host thing, then yes, I disagree with that point. Back when I was fairly new to the forum (and iGrok used to play as well) we’d kill people over slips like that and I think there was an impression that it was a fairly effective way to find scum. I think there have been several games in which someone got screwed by role breadcrumbing, to the point where it got banned. I never thought it was a reliable way to catch scum but lots of people disagreed with me, and given iGrok’s tenure I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s in that camp.
I’m giving him a pass because I don’t think lynching him has high value prop here. Like I said earlier he really doesn’t look all that different to me than Rels did last game. OTOH several other players look worse to me based on post content, notably ruxxar, disformation, and conversion.
On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also
On May 20 2019 08:20 wherebugsgo wrote: alright I’m officially putting rayn in the ignore pile.
Also I don’t know how anyone can say they are 100% sure on reading Jock either way, especially someone who played last game and witnessed us mislynch him in the presence of virtually identical rhetoric
WBG indicates he feels Jock is playing virtually identically to last game.
On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out). Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment.
sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together
I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1.
Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading
I am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row.
I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one.
I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given:
1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative 2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads. 3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm.
Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced.
WBG, can you explain in what way his rhetoric is the same yet his playstyle is different? To me, this reads like you're appeasing BC's reasons for his read despite them at the very least somewhat disagreeing your assertion. You then throw shade on your own opinions as well. What's going on here?
in the presence of identical rhetoric == what other people are saying about Jock. Last game half the game jumped on his ass almost out of the gate on day 1 because his style changed, and I started seeing elements of that here as well, particularly from rayn. I myself eventually participated in mislynching Jock last game because I ended up not liking Jock's responses to me.
So you're stating that whilst Jock's approach to the game is differently, it's the manner in which people respond to him that's the same? I'm not sure how that is a relevant point as it has no relevance on his alignment. How do you feel he's playing this game compared to previous games and why do you feel so solid in townreading him now?
it does have relevance on his alignment, because if he's changed his alignment several times and people are saying that's a reason to call him scum, why wouldn't I call that out? I thought that BC was saying that Jock looks scummier for changing his style in this game, for the third time in a row, so I wanted to cut that off because I thought it's a bad argument; I think it's not alignment indicative especially because Jock said in post-game that he was intending on trying out new things again. Granted, BC clarified and said he was just saying he wants to keep Jock on a watchlist for the style change so this really doesn't mean much at this point.
I'm confident in townreading him because 1. he caught at least one thing I purposely let go and didn't point out myself to see if others would catch onto the same ideas and 2. based on several things he's said and done in thread it genuinely seems to me like he's trying to figure out the game. I honestly don't really care about comparing Jock's play to past games because I already feel like I can read him from his posts in this game alone. I only use meta when I have a certain hunch about some particular behaviour that a player is exhibiting and I want to figure out whether that lies more often in their town vs scum game.
##Unvote Annoyingly I'm satisfied with your posts for today. I'll have to figure out what I'm doing tomorrow. Gonna spend some time with the wife now.
nothing on bugs till the 22nd, where bugs is null + Show Spoiler +
On May 22 2019 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Confirmed town: Jockmcplop
Town: Holyflare Conversion Koshi
Townish: Raynpelikoneet
Null: iGrok wherebugsgo
Scummish: Calix VisceraEyes
Lynch with fire: The Cobbler
AMA.
interacts a bit with wbg during the 22nd. later that day wbg is maybe scum. wbg also got a thing about artanis stuff on bc wrong. + Show Spoiler +
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.
comes back n1 to waffle off bc and switch to wbg. main reason for the scumread is how wbg got the above mentioned fact wrong and how wbg reacted to being wrong. + Show Spoiler +
On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well.
The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them.
On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.
The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best.
As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied:
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.
Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC:
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement.
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.
Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you.
If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it.
"Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed.
Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines.
##Vote wherebugsgo
d2 he comes back and interacts with wbg once more. admits at the end that maybe his scumread on wbg is bad + Show Spoiler +
On May 23 2019 22:06 wherebugsgo wrote: here's my response to Artanis since I was bored. Feel free to ignore this post if you think you will get any of my reads for today, because it contains none. I'm off to bed in a couple of hours and I'll be back in the morning.
On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well.
The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them.
On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.
The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best.
As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied:
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.
Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC:
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement.
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.
Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you.
If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it.
"Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed.
Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines.
##Vote wherebugsgo
nice try but too much stretch. You might want to reread what I said, slower this time, and take it at face value rather than assuming I'm scum before reading it.
1. This hinges on me remembering one thing wrong, and then admitting that I was wrong, being a scumtell. Of course that's silly, unless you expect town me to have a photographic memory. All this while I am lying in bed, phoneposting, about to fall asleep, wondering what to think about something weird I remembered. Don't believe me? Check the time stamp.
2.The second post proves I am not lying that my best recollection was that your first read of BC was when you cased him. What proof? The fact that I wrote "before Artanis cased him" when I woke up and again checked the thread.
3. It feels to you like I'm trying to stay above the discussion because I literally said that's my intention. I don't want to be an active participant in the thread today because being an active participant in the thread yesterday was not helpful for me to solidify enough reads, and today I want to see who takes hard stances without me convincing them to take hard stances, cause that's not really a hard stance if it's me convincing them.
1. It's not the admittance that you're wrong being a scumtell, it's how you go about it. Tonal like I said, which was very different from how HF replied.
2. I am not saying you're lying about not remembering. I'm saying that you missing a crucial detail like that when I've been on your case this game already, and BC being one of your top townreads means I find it weird you'd miss it as town, and find it more likely you simply don't care as much because you already know our alignments.
3. I can see it from that angle. Nevertheless, it's an easy strategy to apply as scum.
Lastly, for bonus points, I decided I'd respond to this too:
On May 23 2019 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 23 2019 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2019 04:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I do actually think VE might be town though. Him trying to talk down people on points he thinks are weak on me whilst still scumreading me comes off pretty genuine and I dnu why he wouldn't just pile up on me with thread sentiment against me.
Okay who do you think is mafia?
WBG maybe? His thread policing without really taking any hard stances himself feels like he's just keeping his options open right now. He's also just pointing out a bunch of things without following up on his thoughts.
On May 22 2019 23:42 wherebugsgo wrote: wait, me, Artanis, and BC all called VE scum...
hmm
Okay, what are you doing with this?
On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote: why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Was untrue, didn't check and just checked out. I need to dig into him further though.
1. "without really taking any hard stances" <- right, I didn't take any hard stances when I moved mountains at EOD to get four people to sheep me on my read of ruxxar, in order to, you know, get my top scumread lynched. Nor did I take any hard stances when I was literally the only person hard defending both Jock and Calix for a majority of the day. Nor did I take any hard stances when koshi/rayn asked me for a full read of the game, or when I literally posted my spreadsheet for everyone to read. I think perhaps you may also be implying that because I've said, plainly and clearly, that I intend to stay on the sidelines today, that also means I don't intend to take any hard stances today, which is just silly because I never said that: I just said I'm not going to take any new hard stances right now.
2. See prior explanations for not checking, and in addition: Saying "w/e. Too much thinking", while phoneposting, prior to going to sleep is of course a great indication that I have an intention to double check that immediately, rather than let the players who shared the sentiment that BC OMGUSed Artanis check it and either correct me or back me up while I'm asleep. Cause my intention is to do...what exactly? Make myself look scummier? Or perhaps it makes more sense that town me would want help in achieving clarity on this from someone who did share that sentiment, during a period when I know I will not be able to check myself?
Okay that last part at EOD I need to check out as I was asleep and never really processed, but if true then my scumread on you is pretty shite. Regarding defending Jock: I'm pretty sure I did that too. Your spreadsheet contained a bunch of percentages that don't mean anything without backing them up. Also if you're following up on things I guess it's fine and fuck this shit game is hard
next thing he has no scumreads at all so he dropped wbg? from his last statement very end its not 100% clear if he wants to check something first or if he ever did that.
Thanks for reminding me I need to read even more than the last 40 pages, dick
On May 25 2019 21:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also no clue why HF thinks disfo is the expert on me when he, VE, Rayn, and Koshi played a lot more games with me.
I don't care about meta, disfo is one of the only people in the game that has made a comment about reading your filter or remembering your posts. Irrelevant anyway. Tell me your scum reads now and why!
iGrok for lots of filler posts and lack of evolving reads Calix is jumping up reading the interactions at the end of D1 right now with how she sort of scumread BC but never actually ended up digging into that further and Rayn wasn't really an option for a lynch. It looks to me like she didn't really care to definitively solidify her BC read after this post:
On May 22 2019 02:25 iGrok wrote: Oh, I left out you also started to go after calix when the momentum was starting on her, but then ruxxar called you mafia and you switched focus
On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote: Lunch break.
On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote: Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good.
I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.
HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.
HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.
On May 22 2019 06:29 iGrok wrote: I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in.
I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch.
so hf is a mean scummer going against ppl when momentum builds against them, such as calix, which makes calix the obvious lynch?
Oh shit :o
Meanwhile I went into BC's filter to check his whole 'I came up with the disfo/ ruxxar reads first' thing and sure, it's true he says 'ruxxar/ disfo are scum' early on but he doesn't actually explain WHY until a lot later. For example, he first included disfo as scum in #338 but gives no obvious indications as to why disfo is scum until #1248.
Personally I don't think it counts if you just say 'X is mafia' without actually saying why cos nobody's gonna find that convincing.
The read comes out in passing but then she doesn't really go into it any further. Third one could be any between disfo/WBG/BC. As BC mentioned, Disfo's just kinda been commenting on things without really coming up with his own things. WBG's not commenting on any of his own reads whilst still harping on on VE when he has no chance of getting him lynched today feels wrong, and despite the meta being wrong, BC still feels like he should have a good chance of being scum just based on how EOD1 went with multiple people scumreading him yet never landing a vote on him.
On May 22 2019 07:05 Calix wrote: Hey Koshi, you'd literally be more helpful if you shut the fuck up and vote for BC instead. Since I'm probably not getting lynched at this point. And you'd actually be voting for mafia then.
On May 22 2019 07:31 disformation wrote: aight. so im gonna ask everyone present to take a look at this fine case once more:
On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1. Shitty entrance:
On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC is on my radar.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players?
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy.
VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.
Says basically nothing.
Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.
On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] No plan. I just thought it would be fun.
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed:
Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it.
2. Shitty followup as shown by RuX:
On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:
On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?
Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.
In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.
Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing.
So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.
Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.
So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.
I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.
Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +
On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again
rayn voted: D1 - mafia
bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town
i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real.
gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix
When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
3. Super aggro posting as he often does in scum games:
On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This thread is such a clusterfuck.
Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar.
I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours?
Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten?
This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus.
and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong.
This post is particularly funny as he shits on the thread whilst not producing any alternatives himself.
On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove.
On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red.
On May 21 2019 20:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote: of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs. actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds.
So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return.
Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town?
You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit?
4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him.
5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all.
Pls kill.
cause i think this has a good chance of hitting scum and didnt get talked about a lot. and ill have another tea (prolly bad idea at this time, but we) and then ill be around for a bit and decide what i want to do with this shitshow
Pretty sure most people here said they liked the case. What ACTUALLY got ignored was BC's giant defense post. Personally I thought it overstated his involvement with finding scum-reads first.
SO WHY ARE YOU NOT PUSHING BC?!
Like, I understand that she's suspicious of iGrok as well, but she's barely been commenting on him during this time. Her posts are about Koshi needing a vig shot and being fine with both an iGrok and a BC lynch, yet her focus is on lynching iGrok. It does make me feel like it's unlikely both are mafia, unless the plan was to bus unnecessarily on D1.
I agree with the takes that this game sucks and there is some missing piece here. I just reread all the back and Firth’s and came to the conclusion that mafia are probably not present at all, or if they are, they end up being semi-participatory because no one has any clue who will be suspected next. I waffled on Artanis quite a bit and found BC’s OMGUS strange even.
With the jock business, I agree with Calix basically 99% that it was an inconsistency but not worth lynching Jock over given the amount of evidence we have for Jock. I actually find rayn’s push an absolutely terrible way to play and I wanted to quit and quit on behalf of Jock because the logic is just so bad. However it fits to a tee with what rayn did last game to me-he just picked one random thing which was me not explaining some read (which I did, like 5000 fucking times) and then harping on that to eternity, forcing me to just ignore him otherwise the thread would blow up. The only issue is that rayn has disappeared since then and seems mostly non-participatory in finding other scum-he just found some weird reasons to continue townreading ruxxar. idk though, he’s probably townier than scum just on the jock basis alone.
Here are the characters that stood out:
VE “looks” better but he doesn’t seem to be contributing much in terms of original opinions, just looking to see where people will jump. I fully expect town VE to actually take some concrete stances and try to clear up some of the problems and I’m not seeing enough of that here
ruxxar is completely absent and rayn defending him on jubjub grounds. This is the perfect scenario for mafia-having said some things that could easily be identified with perfect info (like if BC-Artanis is TvT and BC reacts really strongly it’s one of the easiest things ever to highlight the “weirdness” of BC’s reaction and then fuck off and never follow up on it which is exactly what ruxxar did. Rayn highlighting this as evidence that ruxxar is town like two IRL days after it happened is just moronic when ruxxar has just completely fucked off)
Conversion is also mostly completely absent and despite looking fairly good for the meta he brought up on both disfo and Koshi he is a complete non-factor here. However on past evidence I find him less likely scum so let’s give him a pass.
iGrok I waffle on between looking worse and better, he is around and fighting but a lot of what he is saying doesn’t make sense. The evidence in favour of iGrok that’s getting ignored I think is that he clearly has notes on the game and is struggling to keep up. He had posts he could cite that he wanted a second look at, and did actually follow up to some degree. That’s not typical lazy-scum behaviour, I think. Given that we can take for granted he’s struggling with the thread the not making sense part might not be alignment indicative.
So who I’d be willing to kill, scummiest to least scummy:
ruxxar, still, because everyone has just fucking ignored him and he’s sitting pretty. He never answered HF’s questions and actually even came back to comment on Jock SO HE’S CLEARLY READING THE THREAD
VE, because he somehow managed to be present and still completely useless. I actually do think a lot of his posting is being done to be deliberately misleading and he could be the active scum here
Of the rest of the players I’m still unsure because rayn is moving around in my list, Koshi is impossible to read,
Artanis and BC will probably tunnel each other, and more time will hopefully sort out disfo/conversion further.
BTW Jock let’s hydra next game
To scumread ruxx, you mentioned the way he went after BC for the 'weirdness' in me vs BC if it was TvT, but Calix and Disfo also went after him, which you seemed to town or at least nullread at the time. What was it about RuX' reply that made you feel his reply was scum motivated, and why did you not scumread anyone else that was on him?
On May 25 2019 21:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WBG, can you explain your townread on Calix? I'm sure it's in your filter but I've got enough to read as is.
We share an incredibly similar take on the game when I am ignoring thread sentiment. I also have an incredibly strong tonal read on Calix and I am deliberately ignoring the amount of time she spends defending herself because she has been blackballed harder than almost anyone in this game with the possible exception of myself. Like literally Koshi and Rayn have been baying for her head for probably 40+ pages of this game with literally no cited reasons besides the VERY FIRST POST IN THE GAME.
Like rayn openly admits his entire reason for calling Calix scum is the first post. Why the fuck would anyone trust rayn on this when he did the exact same thing to Jock and there have been loads of opportunities to reevaluate on Calix ever since?
Hey I've been keeping cool too though that's fair, she has been under pressure a lot. Not really this day as much though as it became a two-man race pretty quick. As for Rayn, he always gets stuck on singular things and doesn't let go. I don't think it's alignment indicative for him, if anything it's town indicative.
Calix is in the very elite few players I've directly witnessed following up on previous reads or statements in this game. Examples:
On May 21 2019 22:35 disformation wrote: yeah not sure if he was "pretending" to be you or bugs. since he was like "Guis I think Calix is mafia." I was thinking bugs.
Anyway do you think rayn is mafia or not? Pretty sure you did not answer my question the first time ^^
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote: Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?
First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?
Come on.
Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".
But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.
On May 22 2019 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah yeah mafia people rayn/ve/koshi are killing you, find a new song?
I didn't call all of you mafia. Learn to read.
I can see where you're coming from. However, I can also see it mafia being pissed that their first post got them under so much scrutiny that even when she's putting in the legwork, people like rayn are still not re-evaluating them. I don't think frustration is alignment indicative. Just because you're mafia doesn't mean you can't be annoyed at people scumreading you for reasons you think are bad. As for following up on questions, I'll grant you it's a slight point in her favour, but I don't think it's hard to do.
It helps that in this case no matter how many scum she actually thinks are on her, her mafia reads align well with mine based on this (because I've been reading VE as scum almost all game and no one agrees with me. It's actually driving me nuts how much people are refusing to read him and how much slack they're giving him when he has basically shut down constructive discussion every single time he's entered the thread, with 34 PAGES OF FILTER.) Like I would love if anyone can point out a single positive point, proactive question/followup or probe on a disagreement that VE has had with any player except Koshi/Rayn, and to what degree that aligns with his scum reads because I just don't see it.
I presume you mean her Koshi/Rayn reads? I don't see her scumreading VE any time beyond the initial tinfoil. The rest of this seems to be more about VE which'll need a followup that I really don't think I'll ever have time for when I think he's likely town/to be solved later at best.
Lastly, Calix is really transparent in the face of overwhelming pressure. Like I've literally never seen anyone keep their cool this much and I have to give serious props because there is no way I could do the same thing in her place.
On May 22 2019 04:05 Holyflare wrote: This game is very confusing. I feel like every time I accuse somebody of something it's like trying to ram a jigsaw piece that doesn't quite fit. That usually means one of the people that are town read by lots of people is playing well. There are a few outliers though. I think Artanis just posts really agreeable things and decides to leave each time so he doesn't draw attention to himself. I think iGrok basically just sheeped consensus and couldn't be fucked to expand on his read on me.
Wait what? I'm posting just agreeable things? That's garbage. I was the first on WBG's case, first on BC, and have had unpopular opinions pretty much the entire game. The first time I'm joining thread sentiment is on Calix, which I disagreed on with people scumreading her on her first post already. As for 'convenient timings', it's whatever work allows me, and limited by 2 hours a day which I've already mentioned.
@Calix
On May 22 2019 02:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: There's a bunch of things I dislike about Calix and then some I like. Dislike: Saying Koshi is lying about his read on her but not calling him out, sudden focus on Rayn again after being on Conversion for a while for seemingly no reason when she stated that she doesn't think Koshi/Rayn can be scum together and clearly indicated a strong suspicion of Koshi. The tinfoil she had on Rayn/VE was bad too, and I didn't like how unfocused she was for large parts of the game.
But then she started honing down on Rayn recently. She got the wagon started and I'm not sure if that's a play she would make as mafia. Rayn is notoriously hard to lynch and a significant number of people seemed on board with Conversion. It'd only make sense if she's scum with Conversion to me. It feels like she really believes in that lynch.
The biggest question I have is what changed, Calix? Why are you suddenly so gung-ho on Rayn again after switching your focus halfway through the day?
Can you reply to the last bit?
To answer this and your other question [the one about 'what made me town-read rayn?'], here's what I remember about how it went. After pressuring rayn...I actually don't recall town-reading him at all. Pretty sure I just forgot about him because he disappeared for a while.
Then when I was attacking Koshi, rayn appeared. I was reminded of how scummy rayn was because all his posts were, in my opinion, pushing mafia agenda. And if you need more elaboration then read my filter because I've repeated myself a lot at this point.
ANYWAY but then I was like "don't think these two are on a team together" and concluded rayn was scummier than Koshi, therefore Koshi...had...to be town?
So yeah.
This is again a follow up (to you) and transparently lays out her thoughts.
She's also one of maybe only three or four players who I have seen actively care about the complete shite state this thread is in and try to improve it. Here's an example:
On May 22 2019 08:41 disformation wrote: i feel mostly tired and would be happy for you two to cooperate for a second. for the most part bugs seems reasonable and ruxxar def. did do jack today despite being around-ish. slightly bad gut feeling about grok as mentioned earlier, but i also wont be super sad if we end up voting him. would like bc more but that is not happening so i am willing to cooperate and not fucking off
Yeah could you two stop bickering please? We're not killing you two today so it's wasting precious time since we're still unsure who to lynch as a whole, lol.
Just focus on lynch candidates, kk?
Regardless, Calix's play is criminally underrated in this game if she is town and if she is mafia I will probably consider her the best mafia to have ever played because I just don't see how she can be.
Her reactions have definitely been on point in a calm and collected way, but for me that isn't town indicative. I don't know her meta at all, and everyone responds differently to pressure as different alignments. Have you played with her before as either alignment?
On May 25 2019 21:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also no clue why HF thinks disfo is the expert on me when he, VE, Rayn, and Koshi played a lot more games with me.
I don't care about meta, disfo is one of the only people in the game that has made a comment about reading your filter or remembering your posts. Irrelevant anyway. Tell me your scum reads now and why!
iGrok for lots of filler posts and lack of evolving reads Calix is jumping up reading the interactions at the end of D1 right now with how she sort of scumread BC but never actually ended up digging into that further and Rayn wasn't really an option for a lynch. It looks to me like she didn't really care to definitively solidify her BC read after this post:
On May 22 2019 06:40 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 06:37 disformation wrote: wait.
On May 22 2019 02:25 iGrok wrote: Oh, I left out you also started to go after calix when the momentum was starting on her, but then ruxxar called you mafia and you switched focus
On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote: Lunch break.
On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote: Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good.
I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.
HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.
HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.
On May 22 2019 06:29 iGrok wrote: I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in.
I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch.
so hf is a mean scummer going against ppl when momentum builds against them, such as calix, which makes calix the obvious lynch?
Oh shit :o
Meanwhile I went into BC's filter to check his whole 'I came up with the disfo/ ruxxar reads first' thing and sure, it's true he says 'ruxxar/ disfo are scum' early on but he doesn't actually explain WHY until a lot later. For example, he first included disfo as scum in #338 but gives no obvious indications as to why disfo is scum until #1248.
Personally I don't think it counts if you just say 'X is mafia' without actually saying why cos nobody's gonna find that convincing.
The read comes out in passing but then she doesn't really go into it any further. Third one could be any between disfo/WBG/BC. As BC mentioned, Disfo's just kinda been commenting on things without really coming up with his own things. WBG's not commenting on any of his own reads whilst still harping on on VE when he has no chance of getting him lynched today feels wrong, and despite the meta being wrong, BC still feels like he should have a good chance of being scum just based on how EOD1 went with multiple people scumreading him yet never landing a vote on him.
How can you read the deadline d1 and pick up calix for not reading any further but not conversion saying he'd look into calix/hf and then talking logic for an hour? Is it cos calix is the alternate scum read for everyone? :D
Cause I'm at page 97 and I haven't encountered him yet?
On May 25 2019 21:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also no clue why HF thinks disfo is the expert on me when he, VE, Rayn, and Koshi played a lot more games with me.
I don't care about meta, disfo is one of the only people in the game that has made a comment about reading your filter or remembering your posts. Irrelevant anyway. Tell me your scum reads now and why!
iGrok for lots of filler posts and lack of evolving reads Calix is jumping up reading the interactions at the end of D1 right now with how she sort of scumread BC but never actually ended up digging into that further and Rayn wasn't really an option for a lynch. It looks to me like she didn't really care to definitively solidify her BC read after this post:
On May 22 2019 06:40 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 06:37 disformation wrote: wait.
On May 22 2019 02:25 iGrok wrote: Oh, I left out you also started to go after calix when the momentum was starting on her, but then ruxxar called you mafia and you switched focus
On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote: Lunch break.
On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote: Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good.
I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.
HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.
HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.
On May 22 2019 06:29 iGrok wrote: I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in.
I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch.
so hf is a mean scummer going against ppl when momentum builds against them, such as calix, which makes calix the obvious lynch?
Oh shit :o
Meanwhile I went into BC's filter to check his whole 'I came up with the disfo/ ruxxar reads first' thing and sure, it's true he says 'ruxxar/ disfo are scum' early on but he doesn't actually explain WHY until a lot later. For example, he first included disfo as scum in #338 but gives no obvious indications as to why disfo is scum until #1248.
Personally I don't think it counts if you just say 'X is mafia' without actually saying why cos nobody's gonna find that convincing.
The read comes out in passing but then she doesn't really go into it any further. Third one could be any between disfo/WBG/BC. As BC mentioned, Disfo's just kinda been commenting on things without really coming up with his own things. WBG's not commenting on any of his own reads whilst still harping on on VE when he has no chance of getting him lynched today feels wrong, and despite the meta being wrong, BC still feels like he should have a good chance of being scum just based on how EOD1 went with multiple people scumreading him yet never landing a vote on him.
How can you read the deadline d1 and pick up calix for not reading any further but not conversion saying he'd look into calix/hf and then talking logic for an hour? Is it cos calix is the alternate scum read for everyone? :D
Cause I'm at page 97 and I haven't encountered him yet?
Then stop making summaries as if you've fully caught up yet then lol. Just read and make a summary of everything and what you think :/
I'd rather respond to things as I see them so my thoughts aren't lost but thank you for your valuable input.
On May 22 2019 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote: Like VE is the one player I’d expect to come here and buddy me on ruxxar but he just ignores me when I talk about it. That’s strange af
WBG, given your reads, what is mafia VE's motivation for not engaging you on town ruxxar over mafia iGrok?
On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote: Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.
Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it
On May 22 2019 09:54 iGrok wrote: But like, ruxxar is still my #4 so its fine
This sequence of post makes me think it might be iGrok/Calix after all and at the same time it doesn't. iGrok voted Calix for a grand total of 15 minutes before realizing HF/Calix is unlikely to be a pair. Yet he's fine with Rux being lynched over his top 2 scumreads. Why would he not want to resolve HF/Calix? If Calix is lynched and flips green, he'd know HF is red, and he's null on Rux. I don't comprehend his thought process at all.
Not voting (1): iGrok RuXxar is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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On May 22 2019 10:03 Conversion wrote: okay I'm back with 2 hours left until deadline
promised: rereading of disfo and koshi, which I'll do now
koshi telling me iGrok is town and not to lynch him
not sure if I got anything else, looks like ruxxar is flavor lynch right now. I haven't progressed ruxxar as much since my evaluation of him since Bugs told me to do so. so I was going to do that, but looks like he just gave up?
anything else people want me to do? otherwise I'm going to do this as speedily as possible
I understand HF's issue here. The only vote either of them have is Conversion's own. He instantly gets back on it though:
On May 22 2019 10:03 Conversion wrote: well, we're probably not even lynching disfo or Koshi, so should I even bother revisiting?
Don't like that it's formed in the state of a question. Lynch options are Rux or Calix given the time he came in.
On May 22 2019 10:23 Conversion wrote: just ctrl + f'd Koshi's filter-- if ruxxar flips mafia there's 0% chance he is. dude is sticking his NECK out for ruxxar for absolutely no reason.
disfo I think the flip matters less... I'll revisit harder next day though, no time to tunnel now
going into ruxxar:
I really hate his overall play of just randomly swinging in and out, but can someone explain why these two posts are bad?
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?
Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.
In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.
Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing.
So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.
Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.
So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.
I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.
Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +
On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again
rayn voted: D1 - mafia
bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town
i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real.
gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix
When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
On May 21 2019 11:30 ruXxar wrote: Bugs sounding like a broken record and repeating yourself ad nauseam doesnt make the genie pop out of bottle and make your wish of me being mafia come true.
It does however make me think youre just a dumb town tunneling. Unless youre scum buddy with calix trying to deflect his lynch(which i find unlikely after your call out post), youre just stuck in the typical town ego trap of mafia read confirmation bias. Your ego wont allow you to back down from this lynch now that youve put so much into it. I see no point why you as mafia would keep pushing me at this point. Thats fine, i get it, ive been there. Ill just ignore you from now on as youre very clearly too deep in the hole to think rationally any longer.
I do want to bring attention to the huge momentum swing we’ve had in activity from certain players. The beginning of the game was a big shitshow dominated by the presence of rayn and hf. Both of which have gone either completely silent(rayn) or currently do not give a shit(hf)
Rayn really outed himself in a dumb way that i dont think mafia would do. He took a what i would consider big gamble by goung full retard. He was on the chopping block for a while but made it out alive. Hes very likely town at this point.
Hf on the other hand, is currently playing a masterful scum game. Hes controlling his thread presence well, but has basically taken no hard scum stances on anyone. Hes wobbling and flaky in his reads and he refuses to take a stance on the main wagons by either defending or pushing them (calix and me). Lately he seems very content with where the thread is heading and is very indifferent to the outcome of this lynch, despite claiming that i was not scum earlier and refusing to make up a fresh opinion. I see no real motivation behind his actions besides his content in letting this lynch play out. HF reeks of scum and is almost certain to flip mafia at this point, summing up the development of his thread interaction, lack of real motivation and indifference to the current situation.
Tldr:
Bugs is dumbo town. Rayn is town. HF is mafia.
##vote holyflare
is it because it feels like it's mafia flailing last minute?
Why are you focussed on Koshi's alignment here? It also seems like you don't really scumread Rux, so why do you not seem to care about the lynch?
I just meta-dived ruxxar and he plays really fluid, jokes around a lot as town.
his mafia games are like 4+ years old, though, and not sure if they should really count as much here (couldn't find any more recent games)
but you're right in the fact that nothing about his game here resembles the town games I read meta wise.
in terms of reads, my brain is fried (as evidenced by fucking up a simple logic table up ^^^ there), and I think I'm inclined to believe bugs.. I think disfo is in a pretty non-safe spot going on this ruxxar lynch here as well, so ruxxar flipping mafia doesn't give him too much cred. I don't really buy any of Koshi's reads, and him dodging me and not calling me scum is pretty fuckin' weird cause I'm not really playing any differently than I have in the games we've played together. m
If ruxxar flips mafia though Koshi is never, ever, 100% never ever mafia.
and now I'm sleepy and lost 90 minutes of s tudying for an interview so I'm peacing out. gl hf, see y'all after like 4 PM est for a bit before I fly out
Good thing you're fine with the now unavoidable lynch 30 min before deadline.
I'm also suddenly stung with the realization that I've barely noticed Rayn this game at all. His tunnels on Jock and Calix just have been white noise mostly. Not noticing Rayn is a bad sign.
Like I don't remember him saying anything of note since I threw him in my townish category. I don't think I've had a single interaction with him since and he loves talking to me
I've also come back around on WBG. I don't think as scum he'd be this obviously and transparently pushing reads outside of thread sentiment, especially when one of his scumreads is actually on the chopping block today. There's no need for him to focus on anything else as maf.
On May 25 2019 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And then on page 158 Rayn quotes a bunch of posts on what he's been doing, including a good point on Conversion. Cool.
How did you read 58 pages from Conversion's post before d1 to rayn's post on page 158 in like 5 minutes?
I read everything in between earlier. I think. I was at p158 from reading from my last post. I'm having a hard time keeping track of what I've missed.
On May 25 2019 23:01 wherebugsgo wrote: VE if you want me to detunnel you have to provide me alternative scumreads.
I'm perfectly fine with an iGrok lynch. I disagree that the case on him is as cut and dry and Holyflare makes it, but I think it's a good enough shot for today.
You want me to be certain. I can't indulge you and I'm not going to lie to you. I also have a mild scumread on Calix still, if you're reading my posts you saw me disagree with the case on her that rayn put forward, but I read her mafia independently. I'm unsure on a third because there are now 3 PR claims and those will solve themselves I hope, GIVING us the third maybe.
I strongly approve of the implications in this post <3
On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote: Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.
I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.
I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else:
I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!).
also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game.
In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist
tl;dr
I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you
alright, I couldn't resist, I pronounce to you all, my first read of today.
I basically consider you confirmed town for this post. I mean, I already invited you to my circle so it can't get much better than this.
If you have any questions for me, I'll play with you. Also, I want you to read tl.net and let me know your thoughts on that little game. You won't get anything from me for playing or even winning, unfortunately, because you've already won in my book, but maybe you'll get something for yourself.
You mentioned memorability. I agree, memorability is good. Whose takes have not been memorable? I think I know, and I think you know as well. If knowledge aligns, then we're probably not wrong together.
I think you should relate a lot to that if you're town.
Also conversion dropped like two giant meta cases and was willing to go meta ruxxar (and not just trust me on my word for it) so just on sheer effort to figure out the game (given his limited time) I don't read him as scum.
As an aside, IIRC iGrok noticed this same post as me and also confirmed conversion. Not sure why scum would do that and eliminate a possible mislynch (look at what rayn is saying about conversion) and it's a bit of why I'm townier on iGrok after reading his image posts.
That's fair. I remember him getting into a bunch of swears earlier and FF had to come in. Dick move analysis does suggest he's town.
On May 24 2019 23:47 Holyflare wrote: [...] (post on people's reasons for not voting iGrok) Honestly, they all look pretty bad. The caveat is that I don't think Conversion would be mafia with igrok arguing about logic together like that. VE is super non-committal to igrok, BC defends igrok in a really bad way, Koshi I could actually see be town but it's weird igrok town reads him when he scum reads me for changing my reads. Rayn is... absent and needs to start taking stances.
Also a good point so I guess it's irrelevant until iGrok flips.
On May 25 2019 23:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: VE, WBG, can you give me your thoughts on Conversion?
basically confirmed town
read for yourself:
On May 23 2019 22:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:
On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote: Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.
I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.
I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else:
I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!).
also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game.
In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist
tl;dr
I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you
alright, I couldn't resist, I pronounce to you all, my first read of today.
I basically consider you confirmed town for this post. I mean, I already invited you to my circle so it can't get much better than this.
If you have any questions for me, I'll play with you. Also, I want you to read tl.net and let me know your thoughts on that little game. You won't get anything from me for playing or even winning, unfortunately, because you've already won in my book, but maybe you'll get something for yourself.
You mentioned memorability. I agree, memorability is good. Whose takes have not been memorable? I think I know, and I think you know as well. If knowledge aligns, then we're probably not wrong together.
I think you should relate a lot to that if you're town.
Also conversion dropped like two giant meta cases and was willing to go meta ruxxar (and not just trust me on my word for it) so just on sheer effort to figure out the game (given his limited time) I don't read him as scum.
As an aside, IIRC iGrok noticed this same post as me and also confirmed conversion. Not sure why scum would do that and eliminate a possible mislynch (look at what rayn is saying about conversion) and it's a bit of why I'm townier on iGrok after reading his image posts.
That's fair. I remember him getting into a bunch of swears earlier and FF had to come in. Dick move analysis does suggest he's town.
On May 24 2019 23:47 Holyflare wrote: [...] (post on people's reasons for not voting iGrok) Honestly, they all look pretty bad. The caveat is that I don't think Conversion would be mafia with igrok arguing about logic together like that. VE is super non-committal to igrok, BC defends igrok in a really bad way, Koshi I could actually see be town but it's weird igrok town reads him when he scum reads me for changing my reads. Rayn is... absent and needs to start taking stances.
Also a good point so I guess it's irrelevant until iGrok flips.
nah I think you misread some of that interaction. You should go back and reread the dick move thing cause I am fully team conversion there
Don't give me more homework dad, I'm already swamped.
On May 25 2019 23:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: VE, WBG, can you give me your thoughts on Conversion?
basically confirmed town
read for yourself:
On May 23 2019 22:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:
On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote: Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.
I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.
I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else:
I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!).
also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game.
In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist
tl;dr
I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you
alright, I couldn't resist, I pronounce to you all, my first read of today.
I basically consider you confirmed town for this post. I mean, I already invited you to my circle so it can't get much better than this.
If you have any questions for me, I'll play with you. Also, I want you to read tl.net and let me know your thoughts on that little game. You won't get anything from me for playing or even winning, unfortunately, because you've already won in my book, but maybe you'll get something for yourself.
You mentioned memorability. I agree, memorability is good. Whose takes have not been memorable? I think I know, and I think you know as well. If knowledge aligns, then we're probably not wrong together.
I think you should relate a lot to that if you're town.
Also conversion dropped like two giant meta cases and was willing to go meta ruxxar (and not just trust me on my word for it) so just on sheer effort to figure out the game (given his limited time) I don't read him as scum.
As an aside, IIRC iGrok noticed this same post as me and also confirmed conversion. Not sure why scum would do that and eliminate a possible mislynch (look at what rayn is saying about conversion) and it's a bit of why I'm townier on iGrok after reading his image posts.
That's fair. I remember him getting into a bunch of swears earlier and FF had to come in. Dick move analysis does suggest he's town.
On May 24 2019 23:47 Holyflare wrote: [...] (post on people's reasons for not voting iGrok) Honestly, they all look pretty bad. The caveat is that I don't think Conversion would be mafia with igrok arguing about logic together like that. VE is super non-committal to igrok, BC defends igrok in a really bad way, Koshi I could actually see be town but it's weird igrok town reads him when he scum reads me for changing my reads. Rayn is... absent and needs to start taking stances.
Also a good point so I guess it's irrelevant until iGrok flips.
nah I think you misread some of that interaction. You should go back and reread the dick move thing cause I am fully team conversion there
Don't give me more homework dad, I'm already swamped.
Also I think you misunderstood me. I'm saying that from recollection the way Conversion replied to pressure from Jock was so toxic that I don't think he'd do it as scum.
On May 25 2019 23:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh Disfo you too please.
from the top of my head: his readprogression on me sounded very natural. think i liked a bunch of his posts n1/d2. esp. tone wise. some ppl pointed out his eod1 to be questionable and hf pointed out an issue in conv's read progression yesterday that i also would call bad.
overall without going diving i think id still say more likely to be town.
hmmm actualy not 100% sure. would say looks better than grok/art/bc. but imo calix looks better.
Can you give me a list of reads? Townreads I don't care as much about, but I'd like an explanation for who you're scumreading and why. I'm mostly just seeing comments on things going on but I don't know what you think, other than apparently that you think me/igrok/bc are scum, which I find very odd given thread progression.
On March 05 2014 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Anyway you shouldn't worry about me Rayn, marv'll read me correctly later anyway and if he doesn't he's scum so it's fine!
On March 05 2014 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Anyway you shouldn't worry about me Rayn, marv'll read me correctly later anyway and if he doesn't he's scum so it's fine!
omg such pressure
Don't lie hun, you love the ego boost.
I prefer ego boosts with no potential negative consequences. I'm lazy like that :p
On March 05 2014 22:45 marvellosity wrote: The Universal Backup thing is super useful it seems. Just boring. #1 pick has to take one for the team.
He gets a role after all unless somehow all the roles get taken.
yes probably, but all the sexy, big-boobed ones will probably be taken.
I didn't know you were a fan of big boobs.
I'm a thoughtful guy, I'm relating to my audience.
I'm not a big fan of big boobs though. They tend to get saggy and look awkward.
On March 06 2014 01:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You hang up your phone call with Plammer and call Artanis. After telling him the entire story, he asks you "Do you even know who you are?" You wonder. "I don't know, I've never been named in this little adventure. I'm just the protagonist." he says. "Well, I have bad news for you. You're HolyFlare." Artanis says as he hangs up. You look in the mirror and see that it is so, but you refuse to believe it. "Me? British?" An identity crisis follows. You travel to the land of London, have a beer with Marv, and come to the conclusion that you are in fact British. It explained all the accent business you and your brother had, too.
You try to get Rayn out of jail, but to no avail. During his time in prison he creates a kite. It looks something like this. To memorialize him, you decide to carry the kite along with you throughout your travels. Meeting new friends, getting a girlfriend, drinking a lot, you knew it wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for that one moment in the forest. HolyFlare lived sort of happily ever after.
On March 06 2014 19:44 marvellosity wrote: I wonder how large these role modifications could be. Like austin (I think) speculated on detective -> framer. But there's no point having a framer if mafia already took the DT spot already etc.
Keeping it out of the hands of town when we're not using the kp powers/using them as double lynches seems like good reason enough tbh.
On March 07 2014 00:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also why were people still talking about me? I am literally confirmed town because I'm actively trying to post rather than actively trying to dodge the thread and have a 6 page filter halfway into the day. It's annoying.
I was only talking about you because I was about to offer you a sexy town role. Stop whining dear.
On March 07 2014 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Artanis bo9 in BW, loser gets shot by Palmar?
On March 07 2014 20:30 marvellosity wrote: no, me neither much, but his filter's already almost as long as the entirety of LXIII, and had townfeels on him before. He should shoot austin though.
Yeah i like gumshoe, austin and Palmar less than him. Everyone else i am quite sure are town and if there is a wildcard somewhere it's probably Xatalos. Highly unlikey though.
Not sure where your suspicion originates from. I've been relatively easy to catch as scum in recent games.
He said "highly unlikely", stop bitching
On March 07 2014 21:38 marvellosity wrote: you just haven't earnt being invited to those secret meets in the sauna yet. Your time will come.
On March 08 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote: I was thinking of splitting up the check targets with LSB but then I remembered that he's been extremely resistant to any kind of organization and gone rogue whenever possible. That's why I think it's wiser if I don't share the group of players I'm going to check into in case there's something like a Framer still in the game.
LSB can tell us how the organizing has worked so poorly and then we can organize his death really quick.
On March 08 2014 02:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh god don't use the word feeling...
I'm getting some major feels here.
I can stop if you want
On March 08 2014 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: This thread has everything; plans, anti-plans, marv, MSPaint pictures, lots of laughs, a few scum dead here and there, trains, marv, kiterayn & kiteartanis, torches, sauna, friends hanging out together, broodwar...
On May 25 2019 23:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Artanis I remember you being surprised at my name being an anagram this game, were you not around for those shenanigans
I actually literally made kurumi change my role PM flavour just so that I could whip out my claim. Then I think someone nuked my face
On May 25 2019 23:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh Disfo you too please.
from the top of my head: his readprogression on me sounded very natural. think i liked a bunch of his posts n1/d2. esp. tone wise. some ppl pointed out his eod1 to be questionable and hf pointed out an issue in conv's read progression yesterday that i also would call bad.
overall without going diving i think id still say more likely to be town.
hmmm actualy not 100% sure. would say looks better than grok/art/bc. but imo calix looks better.
Can you give me a list of reads? Townreads I don't care as much about, but I'd like an explanation for who you're scumreading and why. I'm mostly just seeing comments on things going on but I don't know what you think, other than apparently that you think me/igrok/bc are scum, which I find very odd given thread progression.
fair enough. tldr version:
lynch into: bc - scum for often not explaining his reads, working very omgus based, generally not doing much after d1 art - falling off super hard in quality after d1. E.g. the super rushed list stuff n1 and waffling off bc was really strange too. Esp. since he still believed in the meta read on bc to be true. grok - hidden notes, complaining and then gtfoing a bunch
maybe scum conv - see earlier
town lean calix - see earlier
town jesus and the holy spirit jock
Do you think it's really that likely I'm scum with the two people I've voted all game? Also, what puts iGrok ahead of being lynched instead of me? Also also, what do you think of WBG's point on Conversion being town for his meta cases and him backing off on being a dick, basically?
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, your candidate this game is none other than...me!
But, many of you may be asking, who am I? Well, I'll tell you who I am.
Here on this forum I've long gone by the name of “wherebugsgo.” In fact, for years (since 1992 in fact!) I've been surfing the internet with this alias. But, what many of you may not know is that my real name is not “wherebugsgo.” Today, however, is the day you will all see the truth, and I shall lead you all to the light.(1)
Some of you may know me alternately as WBG. This is an affectionate short-hand name often used for me by people who are incapable of pronouncing full syllables; like babies, old people, and non-native English speakers.(2) Many of you may not know, however, that it was originally coined by a dyslexic.
Yes, that's right. I'm dyslexic. I suppose you all know what that means by now-my actual initials are not WBG. They're GWB.
You heard correctly. Let in the light. Let the realization wash over you. Are you excited yet?(3)
I know that may have been hard for some of you to learn. It was hard for me too. Don't worry though, dylexia is not contagious.(4) This is my story. I was a wee little boy of 8 years old, and particularly difficult for me was third grade. I spent ten years in the God-forsaken land of Mrs. Brown's class because I couldn't read the first sentence of “James and the Giant Peach.” However, if I am elected, I will ensure that no boy, girl, or animal will ever have to be subjected to that torture! By my mandate, not one individual or corporate entity will ever be held back on the basis of illiteracy.(5) Instead, they shall all be left behind to be swallowed up by the bullies and larger companies.
In addition, I will bomb the living shit out of anyone who opposes our interests. I have connections in high places. I have intelligence that I can manipulate to prove that we are in trouble. We will kill them all, one by one if we have to. All you have to do now is believe in me.
At this point, I want your undivided attention,(6) for I will be performing the miracle. I have shed some light on my past, and what I shall do in the future, but I have been living in secrecy ever since you elected a Kenyan to office. Until I show you the present truth, that terrorist will slowly kill us all. Today, I, your most beloved Texan, will return for a third term as The Lord himself, JesusPresident of the United States of America.
Behold:
With that out of the way, I am currently looking for a running mate. If anyone believably claims Dick Cheney, he will be #2. Also, Al Gore can go fuck himself.(7)
God Bless America and her gays(8)---I mean this amazing forum.
On February 26 2012 21:38 wherebugsgo wrote: I've been lynched a total of twice as town; two weeks ago because my keyboard broke and 4 months ago in a game where I couldn't handle the stupidity of other townies. Namely, I thought you were scum for like 3 days straight and I got lynched because I wanted to kill all the bad townies and mafia ended up letting me.
Stalin was watching the day unfold with a huge grin on his face. Everything looked red. Red, like Soviet Union. Red, like victory. Red, like his favourite vodka name. Red, like blood of the innocent.
Also, Jackal became the Polish President. Syllogism became.. noone cares, sadly.
Wherebugsgo, the George W Bush was lynched!
Jo-jo! You're picking role for one player. After that You become Thief and that makes You are able to steal role from someone and they become the new Thief. You're also Town.
sandroba, the Ace was nuked!
You're Town Vigi. To use Your shot You must call Your target stupid 5 times during the day.
Curu, the Listcheck DT was nuked!
You are listchecking DT. You can check voters on someone's lynch during the night. You'll be given alignments of players on chosen player.
syllogism, the Red Cross Ackbar was nuked!
You're Inventor! You can invent things during the night. You die if noone calls Your invetion stupid during one cycle. You're weak to vodka.
Opz, the Chezinu Soul Bank ate himself!
Welcome to Kaller Game. You are the leader of secret 3rd party Chezinu Cult. You're Bulletproof and You can recruit one person every night.
devourke, the Gollum failed to simply enter Mordor!
Welcome to Kaller Game. You are 3rd party Gollum. You're Bulletproof and You might steal an item every night. If it's not The One Ring, You throw it away and it's given to a random player.
Actions to me and Palmar. It's now nighttime baby!
On May 31 2011 06:18 Karshe wrote: Hahahaha, this game is already cracking me up. Whoever gave him the dog role, assuming he is not trolling, is my hero.
On May 31 2011 06:06 sandroba wrote: @BC Isn't this only going to give us a vet/good player list for this game. Do you think mafia will purposefully remove their good players from their list?
That's pretty much a list of players we think would be good as mafia no?
grrr....
Dear god, thats quite a post restriction you have going on there Amber. Unless I'm wrong and you are faking.
Are you able to talk normaly?
*whines sadly*
poor little doggy
Ok, lets assume you are telling the truth and not pulling a BM (in penalty mafia he faked a pr for most of a day). Can you post which expressions, exactly, you are limited to?
On May 25 2019 23:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Artanis I remember you being surprised at my name being an anagram this game, were you not around for those shenanigans
I actually literally made kurumi change my role PM flavour just so that I could whip out my claim. Then I think someone nuked my face
I don't remember.
On May 25 2019 23:51 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:28 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:25 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh Disfo you too please.
from the top of my head: his readprogression on me sounded very natural. think i liked a bunch of his posts n1/d2. esp. tone wise. some ppl pointed out his eod1 to be questionable and hf pointed out an issue in conv's read progression yesterday that i also would call bad.
overall without going diving i think id still say more likely to be town.
hmmm actualy not 100% sure. would say looks better than grok/art/bc. but imo calix looks better.
Can you give me a list of reads? Townreads I don't care as much about, but I'd like an explanation for who you're scumreading and why. I'm mostly just seeing comments on things going on but I don't know what you think, other than apparently that you think me/igrok/bc are scum, which I find very odd given thread progression.
fair enough. tldr version:
lynch into: bc - scum for often not explaining his reads, working very omgus based, generally not doing much after d1 art - falling off super hard in quality after d1. E.g. the super rushed list stuff n1 and waffling off bc was really strange too. Esp. since he still believed in the meta read on bc to be true. grok - hidden notes, complaining and then gtfoing a bunch
maybe scum conv - see earlier
town lean calix - see earlier
town jesus and the holy spirit jock
Do you think it's really that likely I'm scum with the two people I've voted all game? Also, what puts iGrok ahead of being lynched instead of me? Also also, what do you think of WBG's point on Conversion being town for his meta cases and him backing off on being a dick, basically?
dont think all 3 in my lynch list are scum. prolly 2 though. earlier: i liked your day 1, so you had some town points. now: one of you two is here doing stuff, the other is not. one of the meta dives conv did was on me, so that factors in on the read progression on me that i liked. mh. maybe i should give him more points for this kind of stuff and put him in town lean together with calix. dont think i want to lynch either of them today tbh.
I find your progression strange. Day 1 you were onto BC with me. Day 2 you're now on iGrok with me, so we have had the same general reads. What in my quality specifically is bad to you and is it still true after today?
On May 25 2019 23:54 wherebugsgo wrote: For my lovely Artanis
On February 25 2012 13:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
Breaking News Alert
I am running for President.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, your candidate this game is none other than...me!
But, many of you may be asking, who am I? Well, I'll tell you who I am.
Here on this forum I've long gone by the name of “wherebugsgo.” In fact, for years (since 1992 in fact!) I've been surfing the internet with this alias. But, what many of you may not know is that my real name is not “wherebugsgo.” Today, however, is the day you will all see the truth, and I shall lead you all to the light.(1)
Some of you may know me alternately as WBG. This is an affectionate short-hand name often used for me by people who are incapable of pronouncing full syllables; like babies, old people, and non-native English speakers.(2) Many of you may not know, however, that it was originally coined by a dyslexic.
Yes, that's right. I'm dyslexic. I suppose you all know what that means by now-my actual initials are not WBG. They're GWB.
You heard correctly. Let in the light. Let the realization wash over you. Are you excited yet?(3)
I know that may have been hard for some of you to learn. It was hard for me too. Don't worry though, dylexia is not contagious.(4) This is my story. I was a wee little boy of 8 years old, and particularly difficult for me was third grade. I spent ten years in the God-forsaken land of Mrs. Brown's class because I couldn't read the first sentence of “James and the Giant Peach.” However, if I am elected, I will ensure that no boy, girl, or animal will ever have to be subjected to that torture! By my mandate, not one individual or corporate entity will ever be held back on the basis of illiteracy.(5) Instead, they shall all be left behind to be swallowed up by the bullies and larger companies.
In addition, I will bomb the living shit out of anyone who opposes our interests. I have connections in high places. I have intelligence that I can manipulate to prove that we are in trouble. We will kill them all, one by one if we have to. All you have to do now is believe in me.
At this point, I want your undivided attention,(6) for I will be performing the miracle. I have shed some light on my past, and what I shall do in the future, but I have been living in secrecy ever since you elected a Kenyan to office. Until I show you the present truth, that terrorist will slowly kill us all. Today, I, your most beloved Texan, will return for a third term as The Lord himself, JesusPresident of the United States of America.
Behold:
With that out of the way, I am currently looking for a running mate. If anyone believably claims Dick Cheney, he will be #2. Also, Al Gore can go fuck himself.(7)
God Bless America and her gays(8)---I mean this amazing forum.
On February 25 2012 18:13 jaybrundage wrote: Wow WBG if you become elected what power do you get
no, not WBG. GWB.
I get to bomb countries I don't like and then not actually get tried for crimes on humanity.
On February 26 2012 06:28 wherebugsgo wrote: Yo wtf jaybrundage just made a nonsensical threat in PMs: "you might get nukes so give me your role"
Curu you scumbuddies with this illegal immigrant?
On February 26 2012 17:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
On February 26 2012 17:39 sandroba wrote:
On February 26 2012 01:25 Curu wrote: Alright guys. I don't know much, but here's what I know:
Jackal is Town. sandroba is scum. WBG is scum.
I should be Emperor.
Curu you are stupid as fuck.
On February 26 2012 21:38 wherebugsgo wrote: I've been lynched a total of twice as town; two weeks ago because my keyboard broke and 4 months ago in a game where I couldn't handle the stupidity of other townies. Namely, I thought you were scum for like 3 days straight and I got lynched because I wanted to kill all the bad townies and mafia ended up letting me.
On February 27 2012 06:33 wherebugsgo wrote: Why the fuck are people calling me scum
Scum campaign = Jackal IMO. if there is one, anyway.
On February 27 2012 06:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Rofl Zephirdd and Jackal = scum
"I'll vote WBG!" votes Jackal -_-
I need your votes people, I can't pull a Florida/Ohio this time
On February 27 2012 06:57 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm gonna vote syllo cause fuck jackal
Stalin was watching the day unfold with a huge grin on his face. Everything looked red. Red, like Soviet Union. Red, like victory. Red, like his favourite vodka name. Red, like blood of the innocent.
Also, Jackal became the Polish President. Syllogism became.. noone cares, sadly.
Wherebugsgo, the George W Bush was lynched!
Jo-jo! You're picking role for one player. After that You become Thief and that makes You are able to steal role from someone and they become the new Thief. You're also Town.
sandroba, the Ace was nuked!
You're Town Vigi. To use Your shot You must call Your target stupid 5 times during the day.
Curu, the Listcheck DT was nuked!
You are listchecking DT. You can check voters on someone's lynch during the night. You'll be given alignments of players on chosen player.
syllogism, the Red Cross Ackbar was nuked!
You're Inventor! You can invent things during the night. You die if noone calls Your invetion stupid during one cycle. You're weak to vodka.
Opz, the Chezinu Soul Bank ate himself!
Welcome to Kaller Game. You are the leader of secret 3rd party Chezinu Cult. You're Bulletproof and You can recruit one person every night.
devourke, the Gollum failed to simply enter Mordor!
Welcome to Kaller Game. You are 3rd party Gollum. You're Bulletproof and You might steal an item every night. If it's not The One Ring, You throw it away and it's given to a random player.
Actions to me and Palmar. It's now nighttime baby!
On February 28 2012 05:45 wherebugsgo wrote:
On February 28 2012 02:53 Jayjay54 wrote: but whatever. lynching bugs is understandable to a agree...
what the fuck
my claim was impeccable!
Now I shall haunt you all by reminding you of all the shitty legislation I pushed during my first 2 terms
Classic GWB
I love it. I'm reminded of a game in which Amber[LighT] could only send a few phrases. It was amazing.
On May 31 2011 06:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:15 hiro protagonist wrote: Amber is a guard dog!?!?!?!
*wiggles his tail*
On May 31 2011 06:16 redFF wrote: lol whoever gave amber a role like that. :D
On May 31 2011 06:18 Karshe wrote: Hahahaha, this game is already cracking me up. Whoever gave him the dog role, assuming he is not trolling, is my hero.
On May 31 2011 06:16 Kurumi wrote: Ok,looks like Amber is a)A Detective Dog b) Trolling
A) is more likely,that means we have some kind of Bullet-bill role.
grrr.....
On May 31 2011 06:15 GMarshal wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:13 Node wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:12 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:11 GMarshal wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:10 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:06 sandroba wrote: @BC Isn't this only going to give us a vet/good player list for this game. Do you think mafia will purposefully remove their good players from their list?
That's pretty much a list of players we think would be good as mafia no?
grrr....
Dear god, thats quite a post restriction you have going on there Amber. Unless I'm wrong and you are faking.
Are you able to talk normaly?
*whines sadly*
poor little doggy
Ok, lets assume you are telling the truth and not pulling a BM (in penalty mafia he faked a pr for most of a day). Can you post which expressions, exactly, you are limited to?
On May 26 2019 00:11 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm disappointed with artanis. NO BREAD OR FISH FOR YOU until you do something useful.
I've made plenty of reads and posted thoughts in the last 3 hours? It's mostly waiting for Calix and iGrok to return and I'm currently trying to get a better read on Disfo.
On May 25 2019 23:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Artanis I remember you being surprised at my name being an anagram this game, were you not around for those shenanigans
I actually literally made kurumi change my role PM flavour just so that I could whip out my claim. Then I think someone nuked my face
I don't remember.
On May 25 2019 23:51 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:28 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:25 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh Disfo you too please.
from the top of my head: his readprogression on me sounded very natural. think i liked a bunch of his posts n1/d2. esp. tone wise. some ppl pointed out his eod1 to be questionable and hf pointed out an issue in conv's read progression yesterday that i also would call bad.
overall without going diving i think id still say more likely to be town.
hmmm actualy not 100% sure. would say looks better than grok/art/bc. but imo calix looks better.
Can you give me a list of reads? Townreads I don't care as much about, but I'd like an explanation for who you're scumreading and why. I'm mostly just seeing comments on things going on but I don't know what you think, other than apparently that you think me/igrok/bc are scum, which I find very odd given thread progression.
fair enough. tldr version:
lynch into: bc - scum for often not explaining his reads, working very omgus based, generally not doing much after d1 art - falling off super hard in quality after d1. E.g. the super rushed list stuff n1 and waffling off bc was really strange too. Esp. since he still believed in the meta read on bc to be true. grok - hidden notes, complaining and then gtfoing a bunch
maybe scum conv - see earlier
town lean calix - see earlier
town jesus and the holy spirit jock
Do you think it's really that likely I'm scum with the two people I've voted all game? Also, what puts iGrok ahead of being lynched instead of me? Also also, what do you think of WBG's point on Conversion being town for his meta cases and him backing off on being a dick, basically?
dont think all 3 in my lynch list are scum. prolly 2 though. earlier: i liked your day 1, so you had some town points. now: one of you two is here doing stuff, the other is not. one of the meta dives conv did was on me, so that factors in on the read progression on me that i liked. mh. maybe i should give him more points for this kind of stuff and put him in town lean together with calix. dont think i want to lynch either of them today tbh.
I find your progression strange. Day 1 you were onto BC with me. Day 2 you're now on iGrok with me, so we have had the same general reads. What in my quality specifically is bad to you and is it still true after today?
i dont think im on igrok with you cause you made any good posts on igrok? quality: tldr:
On May 24 2019 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I HAVE NO SCUMREADS
Yes, that was before HF cased iGrok. Also, why does me stating I have no scumreads make me more scummy than towny? I've posted a ton since that post for you to re-eval off of.
On May 26 2019 00:11 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm disappointed with artanis. NO BREAD OR FISH FOR YOU until you do something useful.
I've made plenty of reads and posted thoughts in the last 3 hours? It's mostly waiting for Calix and iGrok to return and I'm currently trying to get a better read on Disfo.
Your reads are boring rehashes of stuff that other people already said. You don't have to defend yourself against me tho, I'm just a newbie and I'm not angry with you I just feel a little bit let down.
I'm pretty sure I'm the first person to press Disfo as well as questioning WBG. I've brought up plenty of points that hadn't been made yet.
On May 25 2019 01:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I wish Artanis had responded to Jock's point about him scumreading Bugs for things that way more than Bugs are guilty of. :/
I mean he unvoted and voted iGrok and everything but....he said he'd address points against him and he just like....left.
I asked him at the time to point me to examples of what he meant and as far as I'm aware these haven't been presented yet.
On May 26 2019 00:11 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm disappointed with artanis. NO BREAD OR FISH FOR YOU until you do something useful.
I've made plenty of reads and posted thoughts in the last 3 hours? It's mostly waiting for Calix and iGrok to return and I'm currently trying to get a better read on Disfo.
Your reads are boring rehashes of stuff that other people already said. You don't have to defend yourself against me tho, I'm just a newbie and I'm not angry with you I just feel a little bit let down.
I'm pretty sure I'm the first person to press Disfo as well as questioning WBG. I've brought up plenty of points that hadn't been made yet.
I'm phone posting so I'm not going to be making any long posts or arguing particularly. All I'm saying is I thought you'd wanna make yourself look townie so you don't get lynched. Sup to you tho
Well, you hit the nail on the head on my intents of posting.
On May 25 2019 23:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Artanis I remember you being surprised at my name being an anagram this game, were you not around for those shenanigans
I actually literally made kurumi change my role PM flavour just so that I could whip out my claim. Then I think someone nuked my face
I don't remember.
On May 25 2019 23:51 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:28 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:25 disformation wrote: [quote] from the top of my head: his readprogression on me sounded very natural. think i liked a bunch of his posts n1/d2. esp. tone wise. some ppl pointed out his eod1 to be questionable and hf pointed out an issue in conv's read progression yesterday that i also would call bad.
overall without going diving i think id still say more likely to be town.
hmmm actualy not 100% sure. would say looks better than grok/art/bc. but imo calix looks better.
Can you give me a list of reads? Townreads I don't care as much about, but I'd like an explanation for who you're scumreading and why. I'm mostly just seeing comments on things going on but I don't know what you think, other than apparently that you think me/igrok/bc are scum, which I find very odd given thread progression.
fair enough. tldr version:
lynch into: bc - scum for often not explaining his reads, working very omgus based, generally not doing much after d1 art - falling off super hard in quality after d1. E.g. the super rushed list stuff n1 and waffling off bc was really strange too. Esp. since he still believed in the meta read on bc to be true. grok - hidden notes, complaining and then gtfoing a bunch
maybe scum conv - see earlier
town lean calix - see earlier
town jesus and the holy spirit jock
Do you think it's really that likely I'm scum with the two people I've voted all game? Also, what puts iGrok ahead of being lynched instead of me? Also also, what do you think of WBG's point on Conversion being town for his meta cases and him backing off on being a dick, basically?
dont think all 3 in my lynch list are scum. prolly 2 though. earlier: i liked your day 1, so you had some town points. now: one of you two is here doing stuff, the other is not. one of the meta dives conv did was on me, so that factors in on the read progression on me that i liked. mh. maybe i should give him more points for this kind of stuff and put him in town lean together with calix. dont think i want to lynch either of them today tbh.
I find your progression strange. Day 1 you were onto BC with me. Day 2 you're now on iGrok with me, so we have had the same general reads. What in my quality specifically is bad to you and is it still true after today?
i dont think im on igrok with you cause you made any good posts on igrok? quality: tldr:
On May 24 2019 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I HAVE NO SCUMREADS
Yes, that was before HF cased iGrok. Also, why does me stating I have no scumreads make me more scummy than towny? I've posted a ton since that post for you to re-eval off of.
ah okay. havent fully factored in the posts of today in yet tbh. was kinda waiting for you to finish reading and wanted to see what you conclude from there. but yeah you coming in (thursday?) evening saying the meta read on bc is true, waffling off bugs, and then going "lol i have no scumread, cu" isnt what id exactly call high quality. another thing: in your n1 list you had calix scum lean. no mention of calix -> "i have no scumreads"
On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise.
I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia.
In addition to what i have said about calix is this:
On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote: IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
[...]
I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder.
I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol...
I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town.
I tried killing you yesterday. It did nothing. Even if I make a case on you, people will say 'oh but his PC claim' or 'but his meta' and you will not die. I do not waste precious time on making a case on someone nobody wants dead. Especially when I could lynch my other scum-read instead.
Anyway.
I'm not sure how likely it is that iGrok and Artanis are both scum. If they were working together, I think they'd be trying to lynch me instead of...whatever the fuck it is they're doing.
Artanis seemed pretty happy to have no scum-reads for ages until he sheeped HF's big post on iGrok [which was the vote that put iGrok in the lead btw].
Meanwhile iGrok seems like he wants HF gone. [I say that but his response to HF did not read like he thought HF was mafia at all]
Anyway I don't have much else to add. A lot of the recent pages could be cut out and it would not have changed my reads at all. I still think iGrok is WAY scummier than Artanis. The most feasible town motive people [I think BC?] came up with was that he makes notes and puts in effort but a lot of people have been doing that so I don't think that's really AI.
I'm not sure on the third mafia. Probably in Artanis/ Koshi/ BC. Artanis is mafia if he doesn't step it up but I have enough doubt about him to not want him dead. Koshi is self-explanatory with his filter. BC's main selling point for him being town is the meta thing. I personally think he looks mafia but I could be misreading him because of our different playstyles so am willing to give him a chance.
What? I was asleep/busy after not scumreading BC/WBG anymore, and you by proxy as the way you went about BC being a large part of my read on you. As soon as I came back to the thread I started reading his case and ended up scumreading him. Is this your main qualm on me? What was your read on me based on before yesterday?
That's why Calix disappeared. Also, the meta read was one I had in a general sense and I still think it's true. I just acknowledged that this isn't how he's playing this game, ergo he's no longer a scumread. I'm not sure how that's difficult to understand.
On May 26 2019 00:27 Jockmcplop wrote: ...cont Artanis right? He's just gna die so it's up to him to do the work
I've been doing plenty of work today, I can't do everything at the same time. As a town player you should want to get the best reads possible so please work with me here.
On May 25 2019 01:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I wish Artanis had responded to Jock's point about him scumreading Bugs for things that way more than Bugs are guilty of. :/
I mean he unvoted and voted iGrok and everything but....he said he'd address points against him and he just like....left.
I asked him at the time to point me to examples of what he meant and as far as I'm aware these haven't been presented yet.
It's in my filter somewhere. Replying to Disfo maybe. Good luck
I can't find any examples in your filter whilst searching for Disfo.
On May 26 2019 00:11 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm disappointed with artanis. NO BREAD OR FISH FOR YOU until you do something useful.
I've made plenty of reads and posted thoughts in the last 3 hours? It's mostly waiting for Calix and iGrok to return and I'm currently trying to get a better read on Disfo.
Your reads are boring rehashes of stuff that other people already said. You don't have to defend yourself against me tho, I'm just a newbie and I'm not angry with you I just feel a little bit let down.
I'm pretty sure I'm the first person to press Disfo as well as questioning WBG. I've brought up plenty of points that hadn't been made yet.
oh no you don't get back in line. You're going from 99.9% town to 99.8% for pushing Jock out of the way to buddy me here, buddy
I'm so confused, I'm trying to get Jock to townread me because I prefer not being lynched. Also, how am I buddying you in that post?
On May 24 2019 04:49 disformation wrote: bc edited version of arts case: (i removed 3 and added stuff to 5)
On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1. Shitty entrance:
On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC is on my radar.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players?
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy.
VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.
Says basically nothing.
Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.
On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] No plan. I just thought it would be fun.
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed:
Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it.
2. Shitty followup as shown by RuX:
On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:
On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?
Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.
In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.
Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing.
So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.
Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.
So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.
I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.
Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +
On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again
rayn voted: D1 - mafia
bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town
i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real.
gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix
When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him.
5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE based off a fear read and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all.
On May 21 2019 21:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:01 Calix wrote: I don't understand why VE is being considered over rayn. At least VE's actually playing the game.
A bunch of the points against VE seem to be meta-based, or based around 'well he'd usually do this but he's doing that instead' or something, and since I don't know VE, these points don't have much credibility with me tbh.
TBH, its a vibe thing. I get completely why you think Rayn could flip red. I honestly can see it. I can also see the same world where VE is red atm as well.
Of those 2 VE scares the shit out of me if hes scum. He is one of the few players who can live almost forever when hes not town.
Pls kill.
additions: 1. falling off as the game progresses 2. reads go unexplained
On May 24 2019 04:32 disformation wrote: did bc explain his koshi stuff? does not really explain why koshi i scummy
On May 22 2019 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also based on the last few pages alone
Koshi, Artanis, Ruxxar, Disinformation are all good targets for lynches, dt checks and vig bullets.
VE feels better after seeing everything since I came back.
koshi town now:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
no mention of koshi in between or after...
3. reads grok town for some very bleh posts:
On May 24 2019 04:41 disformation wrote: bc's defense on grok is also pretty eh?
On May 23 2019 20:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 23 2019 20:05 Calix wrote:
On May 23 2019 20:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Once he returned to the thread (after the first his flight) He has been fairly active in the thread. At least by say, my standards.
Like, I am clearly able of being wrong given HF last game and ruxxar this game. But I just don't see Igrok as scum at this moment. His activity is similar to my own (so if that means im scum go for it) and he looks to be trying to figure out the game.
Not going to judge igrok for that sentiment though if we arent going to also damn every other player who has borderline rage quit the game for similar behaviour.
I don't understand this post. Nobody is scum-reading you or iGrok based on activity yet most of this post talks about activity like it's AI.
As for the only thing in this post that would actually be AI, can you point us to the 'figuring out the game' posts iGrok has, in your opinion, made?
Do you even read the thread? VE literally just used the reason of "complained about thread and fucked off"
As for posts
On May 21 2019 16:31 iGrok wrote: Man, I'm out of practice. I really want to feel like calix is mafia, but I can tell if its because she is making bad aggro on me and I'm overreacting.
It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were:
Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more?
Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well.
But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts?
On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote: alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.
Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.
Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1
Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.
On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote: Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions
On May 22 2019 04:36 iGrok wrote: @VE I've been away for a while but my read on rayn fits perfectly with my memory of him. I thought you had caught onto it earlier, said as much too, but I guess not?
Rayn's early game felt completely like read-generation material. The bad VT claim, the aggression, the obvious fake claim (which almost everyone ignored, so... either good job to everyone for not buying it or horrible job for not even noticing it) - he did oversell it later, made it more obvious but like...
He called HF on some nonsense, decided he had found some mafia and stopped playing as someone said - but honestly that is such a rayn thing to do from my memory.
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
like i think hf had some posts that the notes on calix werent very good and the "oh i have notes on ppl, for example someone should look at this post by ruxxar i forgot why i noted it down" post was bit strange as well. i mean im glad he mentioned it so i could dig it out, but i would have a better read on grok if he would have said if its supposed to be a scummy/towny post by ruxxar.
rest of the grok quotes seem okay, but the first two posts by grok are not that inductive of a tr on him imo
verdict: high chance of scum detected
OK
Some of artanis' points on BC aren't very good imo.
He talks about his shitty entrance which doesn't look bad to me... makes a quote thread in which there are no scumreads and points that out despite the fact that BC had made scumreads elsewhere by that point (this is quite damning of artanis imo --- unless I'm reading it wrong, that quote thread is a nightmare to sort out for some reason)
Claims BC exclusively scumreads people who scumread him.... however BC's first scumread was calix who hadn't scumread him. He comes back to Calix later as you would expect considering early game he said one of Ruxxar/Calix was scum. This is a sensible read progression that is very townie looking.
Additions: 1: In End of the World Party I don't remember him falling off as the game progressed but he posted quite sporadically and in a way that's a bit reminiscent of how he's posting here. Long gaps of no posts and then you don't know which BC you're going to get when he does turn up. Its not a full mafia tell though its just him behaving in a similar way in two games. I don't have much meta information on him.
2: He says Koshi is a good target for a lynch but never explains this or scumreads him. He later avoids answering a question about this saying "I never scumread him" but doesn't explain at any point why he's a good target for a lynch. That doesn't look good.
3: Reads iGrock as town. iGrock was looking fairly townie or null to me at that point too. He looks much, much worse since he came back and failed to answer hf's points properly. I don't know how this is particularly alignment indicative because quite a few people were null-town on iGrock at this point and it tracks with his other reads.
All in all Im null on BC. Some townie stuff, some mafia looking stuff but the townie stuff is strong enough that I'm not going to go after him.
You're right in that BC went after Calix before Calix did on him, but this was part of my other point - BC following thread sentiment. BC also continued to go after Calix when she returned to scumread him. The point is that all his scumreads either followed thread sentiment or were people that he went after.
As for the meta, I already acknowledged that this was wrong which was why I re-evaled.
On May 25 2019 23:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Artanis I remember you being surprised at my name being an anagram this game, were you not around for those shenanigans
I actually literally made kurumi change my role PM flavour just so that I could whip out my claim. Then I think someone nuked my face
I don't remember.
On May 25 2019 23:51 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] Can you give me a list of reads? Townreads I don't care as much about, but I'd like an explanation for who you're scumreading and why. I'm mostly just seeing comments on things going on but I don't know what you think, other than apparently that you think me/igrok/bc are scum, which I find very odd given thread progression.
fair enough. tldr version:
lynch into: bc - scum for often not explaining his reads, working very omgus based, generally not doing much after d1 art - falling off super hard in quality after d1. E.g. the super rushed list stuff n1 and waffling off bc was really strange too. Esp. since he still believed in the meta read on bc to be true. grok - hidden notes, complaining and then gtfoing a bunch
maybe scum conv - see earlier
town lean calix - see earlier
town jesus and the holy spirit jock
Do you think it's really that likely I'm scum with the two people I've voted all game? Also, what puts iGrok ahead of being lynched instead of me? Also also, what do you think of WBG's point on Conversion being town for his meta cases and him backing off on being a dick, basically?
dont think all 3 in my lynch list are scum. prolly 2 though. earlier: i liked your day 1, so you had some town points. now: one of you two is here doing stuff, the other is not. one of the meta dives conv did was on me, so that factors in on the read progression on me that i liked. mh. maybe i should give him more points for this kind of stuff and put him in town lean together with calix. dont think i want to lynch either of them today tbh.
I find your progression strange. Day 1 you were onto BC with me. Day 2 you're now on iGrok with me, so we have had the same general reads. What in my quality specifically is bad to you and is it still true after today?
i dont think im on igrok with you cause you made any good posts on igrok? quality: tldr:
On May 24 2019 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I HAVE NO SCUMREADS
Yes, that was before HF cased iGrok. Also, why does me stating I have no scumreads make me more scummy than towny? I've posted a ton since that post for you to re-eval off of.
ah okay. havent fully factored in the posts of today in yet tbh. was kinda waiting for you to finish reading and wanted to see what you conclude from there. but yeah you coming in (thursday?) evening saying the meta read on bc is true, waffling off bugs, and then going "lol i have no scumread, cu" isnt what id exactly call high quality. another thing: in your n1 list you had calix scum lean. no mention of calix -> "i have no scumreads"
sooo... yeah
On May 25 2019 20:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 24 2019 21:10 Calix wrote:
On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise.
I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia.
In addition to what i have said about calix is this:
On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote: IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
[...]
I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder.
I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol...
I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town.
I tried killing you yesterday. It did nothing. Even if I make a case on you, people will say 'oh but his PC claim' or 'but his meta' and you will not die. I do not waste precious time on making a case on someone nobody wants dead. Especially when I could lynch my other scum-read instead.
Anyway.
I'm not sure how likely it is that iGrok and Artanis are both scum. If they were working together, I think they'd be trying to lynch me instead of...whatever the fuck it is they're doing.
Artanis seemed pretty happy to have no scum-reads for ages until he sheeped HF's big post on iGrok [which was the vote that put iGrok in the lead btw].
Meanwhile iGrok seems like he wants HF gone. [I say that but his response to HF did not read like he thought HF was mafia at all]
Anyway I don't have much else to add. A lot of the recent pages could be cut out and it would not have changed my reads at all. I still think iGrok is WAY scummier than Artanis. The most feasible town motive people [I think BC?] came up with was that he makes notes and puts in effort but a lot of people have been doing that so I don't think that's really AI.
I'm not sure on the third mafia. Probably in Artanis/ Koshi/ BC. Artanis is mafia if he doesn't step it up but I have enough doubt about him to not want him dead. Koshi is self-explanatory with his filter. BC's main selling point for him being town is the meta thing. I personally think he looks mafia but I could be misreading him because of our different playstyles so am willing to give him a chance.
What? I was asleep/busy after not scumreading BC/WBG anymore, and you by proxy as the way you went about BC being a large part of my read on you. As soon as I came back to the thread I started reading his case and ended up scumreading him. Is this your main qualm on me? What was your read on me based on before yesterday?
That's why Calix disappeared. Also, the meta read was one I had in a general sense and I still think it's true. I just acknowledged that this isn't how he's playing this game, ergo he's no longer a scumread. I'm not sure how that's difficult to understand.
ah fuck. didnt see that. nvm.
So can you re-eval me now? I'm not going to be in here for much longer. I'll check back later tonight but I'd rather not spend all my free time playing mafia. Hopefully iGrok and Calix will have returned by then to answer my questions, and if I can get some more reasoning out of you that'd be swell.
On May 26 2019 00:48 Jockmcplop wrote: So sorry art I meant this post. This is why I didn't wanna post today I can't do shit on this fucking waste of space phone FML I'm trying to work with you. Honestly I want you to look town so I can vote iGrok and confirm hf.
On May 24 2019 03:20 Conversion wrote: artanis is giving me great conflict. generally his entire filter looked good to me. the only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive, except to Artanis himself. so I don't quite get this "BC was super duper aggressive, but then chilled out" as a switch reason.
On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well.
The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them.
On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.
The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best.
As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied:
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.
Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC:
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement.
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.
Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you.
If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it.
"Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed.
Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines.
##Vote wherebugsgo
the second thing is his bugs read, but that's mostly because I townread bugs and I don't think his argument was a good one. mmmmmmmh
he's definitely looks less towny than BC to me right now
That bugs read barely makes sense to me. In what world are townies open and given to quickly admitting their errors and mafia are defensive and closed? Positive character traits don't make you townie and negative ones don't make you mafia.
It looks pretty much like he started with the reads and tried to justify them afterwards.
The prime motivation of mafia in posting in the thread is looking good. You want what you say in thread to make sense. As Town, your prime motivation is finding out the alignment of others. When you make an assumption that turns out to be false, as town you're more likely to just throw everything away and start anew and own up to your shit. As mafia you don't want to make a faux pas, so you try and justify what you did in whatever way possible. This is why I found HF's reaction so townie and WBG scummy.
On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.
I was hoping someone else would be around
???????????????????
Rayn's post was BEFORE the host cleared it up how the fuck is it NAI? He either got a pm saying he was town vanilla which is absolutely not the case because it's not that or he doesn't know what the fuck the role even was called
I'm talking about you pressuring rayn on it rather than rayns comment itself hombre
On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.
I was hoping someone else would be around
What exactly is your stance on the Rayn post?
QUOTE]On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it?
No plan. I just thought it would be fun.
I'm quite fine with it.
On May 19 2019 21:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: To elaborate, I expected scum rayn to claim he could catch scum out by them saying their role pm wrong/be defensive. I expect town rayn to either have an elaborate plan to catch people jumping on people on it and jumpstart the thread, or precisely doing what he did. He's not trying to look good or manipulate so I think he's townish for now.
On May 26 2019 05:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If iGrok's actually blue why hasn't he claimed yet though? He's on the chopping block. What even was the breadcrumb?
Now that Calix is 100% town and I town cased BC what are your mafia reads?
Why is Calix 100% town? Also I just found that ginormous case on BC and will need to read through it first.
Can't argue with the HF case for the most part. I've felt he's gotten townier since D1 as well. He's consistent, though I'm still not super confident he's town as he hasn't really pushed many original thoughts, and I don't feel a lot of evolution in his reads. Gonna check Calix and Disfo next.
Ugh I want to ask iGrok questions and actually discern his alignment but there's no time for a counter wagon and any chance is better than 0% of lynching mafia.
On May 26 2019 05:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ugh I want to ask iGrok questions and actually discern his alignment but there's no time for a counter wagon and any chance is better than 0% of lynching mafia.
Actually there is. There are loads of people ITT.
Yeah but I'm not gonna be around much longer right now. I'd rather have people who aren't 100% invested on just making the other person look bad ask the questions/make cases on him instead of me. Anything I say will be colored by default.
I've been filtering you a bit and I can't say I dislike what I'm seeing recently. You have a clear idea of whom you want lynched and you're pushing accordingly. You're also engaging everyone in an organic manner.
Which means I'm probably wrong on some of my townreads.
On May 26 2019 05:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ugh I want to ask iGrok questions and actually discern his alignment but there's no time for a counter wagon and any chance is better than 0% of lynching mafia.
Actually there is. There are loads of people ITT.
Yeah but I'm not gonna be around much longer right now. I'd rather have people who aren't 100% invested on just making the other person look bad ask the questions/make cases on him instead of me. Anything I say will be colored by default.
I've been filtering you a bit and I can't say I dislike what I'm seeing recently. You have a clear idea of whom you want lynched and you're pushing accordingly. You're also engaging everyone in an organic manner.
Which means I'm probably wrong on some of my townreads.
okay dude why do you ever even say this? like,,, who cares?
I care, if I filter dive someone just to try to prove they're scum rather than actually discern their alignment it sucks. I can't look at shit objectively like that.
On May 25 2019 23:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh Disfo you too please.
from the top of my head: his readprogression on me sounded very natural. think i liked a bunch of his posts n1/d2. esp. tone wise. some ppl pointed out his eod1 to be questionable and hf pointed out an issue in conv's read progression yesterday that i also would call bad.
overall without going diving i think id still say more likely to be town.
hmmm actualy not 100% sure. would say looks better than grok/art/bc. but imo calix looks better.
Can you give me a list of reads? Townreads I don't care as much about, but I'd like an explanation for who you're scumreading and why. I'm mostly just seeing comments on things going on but I don't know what you think, other than apparently that you think me/igrok/bc are scum, which I find very odd given thread progression.
fair enough. tldr version:
lynch into: bc - scum for often not explaining his reads, working very omgus based, generally not doing much after d1 art - falling off super hard in quality after d1. E.g. the super rushed list stuff n1 and waffling off bc was really strange too. Esp. since he still believed in the meta read on bc to be true. grok - hidden notes, complaining and then gtfoing a bunch
On May 26 2019 03:49 disformation wrote: sooo... im a bit groggy and making dinner. so brain cell count is fairly low.
but wbg is saying grok is blue. while voting grok.
... ?
I made a giant bc post for you
hello hf (on it while eating)
some considerations: you say his internal logic makes a lot more sense after he could latch onto the art thing. i agree, but isnt it also easier for scum to have a more consitent logic when they can just scum read one dude the whole time? had a scum game where my bread and butter was to make okayish cases about one dude and do the tunnel dance. hard to tell with art being this bleh though.
like id also say he def. does things in his pace and doesnt care if ppl dont like. prolly more towny. (unless like all wagons are town or he is gonna bus hard. though art <> bc double bus would be weird?).
not sure if i agree on the strength of the tr at the end though. like his d1 was really oof.
Yes, but it wasn't just his read on Artanis that was consistent, it was all the rest too after day 1. The tone on n1/d2 reads a lot townier to me. If I was mafia though I could definitely get BC lynched for the day 1 posts I think, that's how bad those points look.
aight. i dont think he's an option today anways. if he keeps the n1/d2 line going i can prolly see it.
One of your reasons for scumreading him is that he fell off after d1. Yet, him 'keeping the n1/d2 line' means you're less likely to scumread him? What?
Alright, right now I think it might be iGrok/Disfo/?, with the ? being one of Rayn/BC/Maybe Calix. Jock/Conversion/WBG/HF/VE are never mafia. Koshi's claim should resolve itself.
On May 26 2019 17:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Honestly shooting me may be best tbh, even if just to get Koshi/Jock to stop tunneling me and re-eval.
no, you're not scum.
HF, VE, and BC are the scumteam.
I really don't think so, but if you're right I don't see how you can lynch them when Jock/Koshi/Rayn are much more interested in Me/Calix. HF is also right that people need to realize it was a town/town day. Also, please look into disfo and tell me what you see.
I'm not scum though, I just literally don't care anymore since I'm an autolynch anyway. I hope she's town so I don't have to wait another 4 days to die.
Maybe she's the RB and jock can shoot me before D4 starts. That would be nice.
I actually think our best bet would be to shoot HF, VE or Rayn, with a preference for the latter two. VE is probably not getting lynched this game. Koshi will shit the thread up a tonne. However, that's exactly why I don't want to do it. People are (mostly) enjoying the game and more than victory, Mafia's about enjoying oneself. If shooting that Belgian menace will contribute to people like VE and WBG enjoying the game again then it's well worth the slightly more uphill climb to me.
On May 30 2019 15:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk where that came from? bugs made the game completely unplayable for VE.
Koshi's been a dick to many players in the game, not in the least Calix at the end. WBG was hard on VE but I never felt it was because of anything but suspecting him, whereas with Koshi it was extremely personal shit.
On May 30 2019 15:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk where that came from? bugs made the game completely unplayable for VE.
Why are you so obsessed with me?
If you want to get another rise out of me for whatever it’s probably never going to happen. I just don’t see the point in even playing here if this is what the community is now, like we’re just going to casually all accept that the behaviour you displayed this game toward multiple players, regardless of their actual in-game alignments, is remotely good for the future of TL mafia.
This is a big reason why I took a long break. You were even in one of my last two games. They were wins, I was happy with my play, but sad at the direction of the forum. And I will admit I was pretty much just full of rage and burnout. Now i’m Just happier staying away knowing I don’t have to try to cooperate with people like you just to try to enjoy a game I used to really love.
Just come play voice with us this weekend! Voice is much more fun than Forum games and people don't get this tryhard. It's fantastic really.
On May 30 2019 15:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: And what did i do that was bad?
You have a very different set of values as to what is important as well as what is offensive and what isn't compared to most players on the site. You know that, Joni. It often creates friction where there really is no need. The community is small enough as is and I'd prefer we all try and get along, lest it becomes impossible to have more games.
On May 30 2019 15:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: And what did i do that was bad?
You have a very different set of values as to what is important as well as what is offensive and what isn't compared to most players on the site. You know that, Joni. It often creates friction where there really is no need. The community is small enough as is and I'd prefer we all try and get along, lest it becomes impossible to have more games.
Well then please, you, tell me where i was over the line offensive in this game because i cant see it?
I don't think you've crossed the line this game at least for me. They way you play can definitely ruffle some feathers in that you get tunneled on one thing you think makes someone 100% mafia and you go further on it than almost anyone, but I don't think you stepped out of line at all that I recall. I'm mostly talking about the postgame chat here where there's no need to 'but what about...' at the end when WBG basically had a Rayntunnel on VE all game
On May 30 2019 15:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk where that came from? bugs made the game completely unplayable for VE.
Why are you so obsessed with me?
If you want to get another rise out of me for whatever it’s probably never going to happen. I just don’t see the point in even playing here if this is what the community is now, like we’re just going to casually all accept that the behaviour you displayed this game toward multiple players, regardless of their actual in-game alignments, is remotely good for the future of TL mafia.
This is a big reason why I took a long break. You were even in one of my last two games. They were wins, I was happy with my play, but sad at the direction of the forum. And I will admit I was pretty much just full of rage and burnout. Now i’m Just happier staying away knowing I don’t have to try to cooperate with people like you just to try to enjoy a game I used to really love.
Just come play voice with us this weekend! Voice is much more fun than Forum games and people don't get this tryhard. It's fantastic really.
I’d love to play but I’m in an awkward time zone compared to everyone now and I am usually asleep or busy when others are active I think. Thank you for the invite though
Come join my game if I can post it sometime in the next week. It’ll be a good break for me since I enjoy hosting quite a lot and I promise the setup will be interesting! It’s a new type of setup I’m trying, since I used to be obsessed with mini normals and now I wanna try putting some spice into the roles
I'm not playing a forum game for a while, and if I do it'll have to be a post restricted game. I seriously could not keep up with this game and would not have kept up with it even if I was Town. I think I would've been suspected as either alignment past D1 when the game blew up simply cause I wasn't in the flow of things. When that happens I fall off regardless.
I did do a bunch of things that made me scum for sure though. Would have never afked on D3 as town if I'm lined up to die. My tone was also all kinds of wrong, and I don't think I would've forgotten disfo in any list post as town :D I did it intentionally as 'scum would never forget their teammates on a list post' in the hopes of that being used later if I flipped.
Also playing Mafia without having a roleblocker kinda feels like you have absolutely no control over the thread in case of massclaims which kinda sucks. I understand given the nerfed blue roles it wasn't super bad, but it's still a very meh feeling as maf :D /whine
On May 30 2019 16:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Was there anyone that registered that me/disfo wouldn't make sense due to me leaving him off my list or was that completely ineffective? D:
idk, i didn't register it. I thought you're prolly not scum because you didn't seem like you tried to survive on D2 vs you just giving reads as prolly dying townie. You fooled me there. Like i said in obs i blame myself for not telling Koshi why disfo is mafia (not that it would have mattered in the end though), i also got another thing on disfo but since it's irrelevant now i am not gonna say it.
That's funny because I'd probably appear more mafia like as town this game :D I care much more about survival as town then as mafia. I think tonewise people familiar to me should've been able to catch me. I know VE was on my trail numerous times for this reason.
I'd be making posts like "fuck you guys I'm clearly town, look at X, I'd never do this as mafia." and get mad, but there really wasn't a lot of emotion in my posts.
On May 30 2019 16:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Was there anyone that registered that me/disfo wouldn't make sense due to me leaving him off my list or was that completely ineffective? D:
idk, i didn't register it. I thought you're prolly not scum because you didn't seem like you tried to survive on D2 vs you just giving reads as prolly dying townie. You fooled me there. Like i said in obs i blame myself for not telling Koshi why disfo is mafia (not that it would have mattered in the end though), i also got another thing on disfo but since it's irrelevant now i am not gonna say it.
mean! though tbh i prolly played decent/mediocre, so lots of things i could have done better imo.
This is true for everyone in almost every game. You played a great game imo, stayed very active and waffled your ass off like a true town disfo.
in a world without modkills, it's 9-3 going into N2. WBG gives BC gun. We shoot Rayn. 8-3, iGrok gets lynched 7-3 -> I get shot, HF gets maf shot 6-2 -> Calix lynch? -> 5-2 We shoot Koshi/WBG/BC-> 4-2 with 2 confirmed town in BC/WBG/Koshi and practically confirmed town Jock. Lynchpool of Conv/Disfo/VE. Would be p hard.
Maybe one day I'll run that against the records in the database and see if there are any interesting patterns that link post count/avg post size to alignment or win percentage.
Plus we have to find who wins the title for spammiest all time :D
Nah we can just gimme that one.
I don’t remember whether you were in that game
Edit: ok you were. You replaced in. Carry on.
So sonce I cohosted that one can I say I've hosted the worst games of all time or are there some doozies from the old days?
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