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On May 22 2019 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:27 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 04:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 04:20 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 04:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 04:05 Holyflare wrote:
This game is very confusing. I feel like every time I accuse somebody of something it's like trying to ram a jigsaw piece that doesn't quite fit. That usually means one of the people that are town read by lots of people is playing well. There are a few outliers though. I think Artanis just posts really agreeable things and decides to leave each time so he doesn't draw attention to himself. I think iGrok basically just sheeped consensus and couldn't be fucked to expand on his read on me.
Wait what? I'm posting just agreeable things? That's garbage. I was the first on WBG's case, first on BC, and have had unpopular opinions pretty much the entire game. The first time I'm joining thread sentiment is on Calix, which I disagreed on with people scumreading her on her first post already. As for 'convenient timings', it's whatever work allows me, and limited by 2 hours a day which I've already mentioned. @Calix On May 22 2019 02:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
There's a bunch of things I dislike about Calix and then some I like.
Dislike: Saying Koshi is lying about his read on her but not calling him out, sudden focus on Rayn again after being on Conversion for a while for seemingly no reason when she stated that she doesn't think Koshi/Rayn can be scum together and clearly indicated a strong suspicion of Koshi. The tinfoil she had on Rayn/VE was bad too, and I didn't like how unfocused she was for large parts of the game.
But then she started honing down on Rayn recently. She got the wagon started and I'm not sure if that's a play she would make as mafia. Rayn is notoriously hard to lynch and a significant number of people seemed on board with Conversion. It'd only make sense if she's scum with Conversion to me. It feels like she really believes in that lynch.
The biggest question I have is what changed, Calix? Why are you suddenly so gung-ho on Rayn again after switching your focus halfway through the day? Can you reply to the last bit? To answer this and your other question [the one about 'what made me town-read rayn?'], here's what I remember about how it went. After pressuring rayn...I actually don't recall town-reading him at all. Pretty sure I just forgot about him because he disappeared for a while. Then when I was attacking Koshi, rayn appeared. I was reminded of how scummy rayn was because all his posts were, in my opinion, pushing mafia agenda. And if you need more elaboration then read my filter because I've repeated myself a lot at this point. ANYWAY but then I was like "don't think these two are on a team together" and concluded rayn was scummier than Koshi, therefore Koshi...had...to be town? So yeah. Have you played with Rayn before? Yes and I still think he is mafia and if you come at me with "but he's always stubborn" or whatever it is that people are using to give rayn a pass then I swear to God. I am so sick of people using 'but meta' as a read instead of as a supplement to the read. #semirant I mean, but you keep saying he's "pushing mafia agenda" which you wouldn't know what the mafia agenda is unless you're on the mafia team. We all use buzzwords, let's not kid ourselves.
He's doing things that GENERALLY benefit mafia more than town and he's doing them a lot but it's easier to just say 'pushing mafia agenda' because I'm not privy to the scum chat and can't know for sure, yadda yadda. Is that better, ya pedant?
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If you dont lynch Calix you should lynch HF
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On May 22 2019 04:33 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 22 2019 04:27 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 04:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 04:20 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 04:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 04:05 Holyflare wrote:
This game is very confusing. I feel like every time I accuse somebody of something it's like trying to ram a jigsaw piece that doesn't quite fit. That usually means one of the people that are town read by lots of people is playing well. There are a few outliers though. I think Artanis just posts really agreeable things and decides to leave each time so he doesn't draw attention to himself. I think iGrok basically just sheeped consensus and couldn't be fucked to expand on his read on me.
Wait what? I'm posting just agreeable things? That's garbage. I was the first on WBG's case, first on BC, and have had unpopular opinions pretty much the entire game. The first time I'm joining thread sentiment is on Calix, which I disagreed on with people scumreading her on her first post already. As for 'convenient timings', it's whatever work allows me, and limited by 2 hours a day which I've already mentioned. @Calix On May 22 2019 02:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
There's a bunch of things I dislike about Calix and then some I like.
Dislike: Saying Koshi is lying about his read on her but not calling him out, sudden focus on Rayn again after being on Conversion for a while for seemingly no reason when she stated that she doesn't think Koshi/Rayn can be scum together and clearly indicated a strong suspicion of Koshi. The tinfoil she had on Rayn/VE was bad too, and I didn't like how unfocused she was for large parts of the game.
But then she started honing down on Rayn recently. She got the wagon started and I'm not sure if that's a play she would make as mafia. Rayn is notoriously hard to lynch and a significant number of people seemed on board with Conversion. It'd only make sense if she's scum with Conversion to me. It feels like she really believes in that lynch.
The biggest question I have is what changed, Calix? Why are you suddenly so gung-ho on Rayn again after switching your focus halfway through the day? Can you reply to the last bit? To answer this and your other question [the one about 'what made me town-read rayn?'], here's what I remember about how it went. After pressuring rayn...I actually don't recall town-reading him at all. Pretty sure I just forgot about him because he disappeared for a while. Then when I was attacking Koshi, rayn appeared. I was reminded of how scummy rayn was because all his posts were, in my opinion, pushing mafia agenda. And if you need more elaboration then read my filter because I've repeated myself a lot at this point. ANYWAY but then I was like "don't think these two are on a team together" and concluded rayn was scummier than Koshi, therefore Koshi...had...to be town? So yeah. Have you played with Rayn before? Yes and I still think he is mafia and if you come at me with "but he's always stubborn" or whatever it is that people are using to give rayn a pass then I swear to God. I am so sick of people using 'but meta' as a read instead of as a supplement to the read. #semirant I mean, but you keep saying he's "pushing mafia agenda" which you wouldn't know what the mafia agenda is unless you're on the mafia team. We all use buzzwords, let's not kid ourselves. He's doing things that GENERALLY benefit mafia more than town and he's doing them a lot but it's easier to just say 'pushing mafia agenda' because I'm not privy to the scum chat and can't know for sure, yadda yadda. Is that better, ya pedant?
OH THATS RICH IN A MAFIA GAME BBY
Meta is just how some people form reads, some of the best players I know in fact. I get that you don't like it, but it just is what it is around here. I suggest getting used to it. 
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@VE I've been away for a while but my read on rayn fits perfectly with my memory of him. I thought you had caught onto it earlier, said as much too, but I guess not?
Rayn's early game felt completely like read-generation material. The bad VT claim, the aggression, the obvious fake claim (which almost everyone ignored, so... either good job to everyone for not buying it or horrible job for not even noticing it) - he did oversell it later, made it more obvious but like...
He called HF on some nonsense, decided he had found some mafia and stopped playing as someone said - but honestly that is such a rayn thing to do from my memory.
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On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:Lunch break. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good. I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.
God, what is with you/ BC and making waffle reads on each other? It's really hard to not pre-flip associate when you two come out with shit like this.
And of course your top lynch target is a guy who has no votes or sentiment against him while the second target is the leading wagon! You're not subtle, fam.
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On May 22 2019 04:36 iGrok wrote:
@VE I've been away for a while but my read on rayn fits perfectly with my memory of him. I thought you had caught onto it earlier, said as much too, but I guess not?
Rayn's early game felt completely like read-generation material. The bad VT claim, the aggression, the obvious fake claim (which almost everyone ignored, so... either good job to everyone for not buying it or horrible job for not even noticing it) - he did oversell it later, made it more obvious but like...
He called HF on some nonsense, decided he had found some mafia and stopped playing as someone said - but honestly that is such a rayn thing to do from my memory.
Thing is he can't keep pretending to be parity cop, because of his stance on claims he can't retract, it will solve itself. Plus I wouldn't want to kill him D1 EVEN IF he's mafia because like BC, I tend to be able to read him better later, when he starts having to make bad calls from no choice.
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I really don't have much of an opinion on iGrok. There's just not much in there. Could lynch based on blandness.
On May 22 2019 04:35 Koshi wrote:
If you dont lynch Calix you should lynch HF
How does Mafia!HF "defend" himself like this ever though?
On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
Like what.
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On May 22 2019 04:37 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:Lunch break. On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good. I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them. God, what is with you/ BC and making waffle reads on each other? It's really hard to not pre-flip associate when you two come out with shit like this. And of course your top lynch target is a guy who has no votes or sentiment against him while the second target is the leading wagon! You're not subtle, fam.
Uhh... I can't speak for BC but my "waffle" read on BC is because I don't have strong town or strong scum points for him. Please quote a single post of mine in which I have made a strong case either for or against him.
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Like if he's a parity cop and he lives long enough to report? You lynch it automatically REGARDLESS of the report because A) he shouldn't have lived that long and B) it will confirm his report. EZPZ.
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Chances are he's rb/killed before we even have to think about it. That's at least part of why rayn is off the table today for me.
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On May 22 2019 04:39 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:37 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:Lunch break. On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good. I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them. God, what is with you/ BC and making waffle reads on each other? It's really hard to not pre-flip associate when you two come out with shit like this. And of course your top lynch target is a guy who has no votes or sentiment against him while the second target is the leading wagon! You're not subtle, fam. Uhh... I can't speak for BC but my "waffle" read on BC is because I don't have strong town or strong scum points for him. Please quote a single post of mine in which I have made a strong case either for or against him.
No no, I get he's a null read. But instead of just fucking saying he's null, you write a whole paragraph that doesn't need to exist. That's what I have a problem with.
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On May 22 2019 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like if he's a parity cop and he lives long enough to report? You lynch it automatically REGARDLESS of the report because A) he shouldn't have lived that long and B) it will confirm his report. EZPZ.
Uhhh..
Godfather - Returns as town to cop checks [Not Optional - Passive]
Framer - Targets a player once per night, that player returns the opposite alignment to cop and parity cop checks for that night. If the Godfather is framed, they return 'mafia' to checks. [Optional]
Unaware Wandering Miller - A regular VT who receives the same role PM as a VT. Each night a random player is chosen. UWM counts as having visited that player during the night. UWM also counts as mafia for the purposes of cop and parity cop checks. [Not Optional - Passive]
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Oh neat! So they like HAVE to kill him!
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Eh? Eh? Dumbtell anyone? Eh?
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On May 22 2019 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chances are he's rb/killed before we even have to think about it. That's at least part of why rayn is off the table today for me.
How is him claiming/getting rbed going to help determine his alignment, VE?
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On May 22 2019 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chances are he's rb/killed before we even have to think about it. That's at least part of why rayn is off the table today for me.
My problem is that regardless of alignment, it's very likely he'll be alive tomorrow and will say "was roleblocked innit" and then people will waste discussion time on pondering whether rayn is lying or not. Which there is NO way of proving based on his claim alone.
AKA his claim introduces a bunch of unnecessary WIFOM that could have EASILY been avoided if he just kept his gob shut.
His claim is actually a GREAT reason to lynch him cos then we avoid all the dumb WIFOM distractions re: his role.
[this assumes mafia have a RBer but they probably do, it's a pretty common mafia role to have]
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On May 22 2019 04:42 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:39 iGrok wrote:On May 22 2019 04:37 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:Lunch break. On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good. I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them. God, what is with you/ BC and making waffle reads on each other? It's really hard to not pre-flip associate when you two come out with shit like this. And of course your top lynch target is a guy who has no votes or sentiment against him while the second target is the leading wagon! You're not subtle, fam. Uhh... I can't speak for BC but my "waffle" read on BC is because I don't have strong town or strong scum points for him. Please quote a single post of mine in which I have made a strong case either for or against him. No no, I get he's a null read. But instead of just fucking saying he's null, you write a whole paragraph that doesn't need to exist. That's what I have a problem with.
Koshi, who I think is very Town, believed that I thought BC was mafia, when in fact I did not. I explained my reasoning for the null read to him, because I want him to understand my train of thought.
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On May 22 2019 04:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chances are he's rb/killed before we even have to think about it. That's at least part of why rayn is off the table today for me. How is him claiming/getting rbed going to help determine his alignment, VE?
It won't, we kill him later if that happens. I'm just saying, we don't have to think about it /now/.
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On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:Lunch break. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good. I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later. HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.
No, I don't want you to cite every single one. I want you to come up with an example of a person that was gaining momentum where I specifically decided to flip my read on to lynching that person and joined their wagon. Right now all you've given is a generalisation and no evidence.
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