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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2019 18:20 GMT
#1721
On May 22 2019 03:18 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 03:16 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?

First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?

Come on.

Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".

But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.


Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D


Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him?


I want rayn dead more and cannot understand why nobody will just kill him already.

I don't care about anyone else.

Like the reason I even suggested rayn as a lynch was because [at the time I made the 'lynch rayn' post] nobody else was doing anything and a bunch of my town-reads thought rayn was suspect too.

But when I actually say 'hey maybe we should lynch rayn' nobody does anything and SUDDENLY people want to lynch Jock or me instead.


Do you think the reasons for wanting to lynch jock were bad? Do you disagree with my case that he was caught out in an inconsistency?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 21 2019 18:21 GMT
#1722
But Calix first, i dont know who else is mafia. Maybe Holyflare. disfo looks better and iGrok i am not sure is scum anymore. well gn
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 21 2019 18:21 GMT
#1723
listen to koshi
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2019 18:22 GMT
#1724
On May 22 2019 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But Calix first, i dont know who else is mafia. Maybe Holyflare. disfo looks better and iGrok i am not sure is scum anymore. well gn


Stop man.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 18:25 GMT
#1725
On May 22 2019 03:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 03:13 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?


Re: the bolded, who is the obvious mafia we're ignoring? BC? iGrok? I get frustration at being wagoned but we're ALL in here talking about the best lynch, rather than complain maybe join in?


Last time I was here, I was trying to lynch rayn.

And got a grand total of one vote while everyone else dragged their feet.

Don't know what else I'm supposed to do.

I mean, the thing is the active people have a scumread on rayn. So maybe widen your serach parameters? You clearly have a problem with Jock/iGrok....not sure WHY you have a problem with iGrok since you have stated suspicion yourself or whatever but you complained about it....so besides rayn who most everyone active NOW has a townread on, who else would you kill? Disfo? Artanis?

Like....as the leading wagon you can take two roads: freak out and look bad, cementing votes on you or contribute and POSSIBLY MAYBE convince someone. Regardless of your alignment, it should be a no-brainer.

For the record, I'm aware of the irony of myself posting this considering my track record this game, but I think you'll find with a quick meta dive that I REEEEEEALY dislike votes on me regardless of my alignment, and I tend to not practice what I preach.


You really don't know what my reads are. First you thought I scum read you and now you think I scum read Jock? I town read both of you, lol.

I think there is mafia in BC/ iGrok. With iGrok, I think it's suspicious that his reads 'change' but they're always convenient. Like at his first catch-up, he 'wanted to lynch disformation/ ruxxar' who were people who were being banded around as mafia suspects. Now he has some 'other scum reads' with the HF thing but he still includes me as an option. It's thread sentiment but he's not stating that's what he's doing.

BC is more of a tone thing. I find the way he talks scummy [lacks economy] and kinda preachy. Not 100% on this one because I haven't checked his reads or anything. But that's the vibe I get when I see him post.

And yeah I know I'm 'supposed' to consider iGrok as a lynch because he's a scum read, blah blah blah, but I am so convinced on rayn and not anyone else so I don't really want to.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 18:28 GMT
#1726
On May 22 2019 03:20 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 03:18 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:16 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?

First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?

Come on.

Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".

But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.


Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D


Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him?


I want rayn dead more and cannot understand why nobody will just kill him already.

I don't care about anyone else.

Like the reason I even suggested rayn as a lynch was because [at the time I made the 'lynch rayn' post] nobody else was doing anything and a bunch of my town-reads thought rayn was suspect too.

But when I actually say 'hey maybe we should lynch rayn' nobody does anything and SUDDENLY people want to lynch Jock or me instead.


Do you think the reasons for wanting to lynch jock were bad? Do you disagree with my case that he was caught out in an inconsistency?


I don't disagree it was inconsistent.

I just don't think it's a mafia inconsistency. Or a bad enough inconsistency to make me reconsider my town read.

I'll admit I've spent a lot of the game thinking "this guy is obvious town, who gives a damn if he has one or two weird posts if they're not really mafia motivated?" though so I am biased towards dismissing stuff against him.

[I feel the same way about WBG. To me he is also obvious town]
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2019 18:40 GMT
#1727
On May 22 2019 03:28 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 03:20 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:18 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:16 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?

First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?

Come on.

Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".

But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.


Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D


Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him?


I want rayn dead more and cannot understand why nobody will just kill him already.

I don't care about anyone else.

Like the reason I even suggested rayn as a lynch was because [at the time I made the 'lynch rayn' post] nobody else was doing anything and a bunch of my town-reads thought rayn was suspect too.

But when I actually say 'hey maybe we should lynch rayn' nobody does anything and SUDDENLY people want to lynch Jock or me instead.


Do you think the reasons for wanting to lynch jock were bad? Do you disagree with my case that he was caught out in an inconsistency?


I don't disagree it was inconsistent.

I just don't think it's a mafia inconsistency. Or a bad enough inconsistency to make me reconsider my town read.

I'll admit I've spent a lot of the game thinking "this guy is obvious town, who gives a damn if he has one or two weird posts if they're not really mafia motivated?" though so I am biased towards dismissing stuff against him.

[I feel the same way about WBG. To me he is also obvious town]


Do you think it's not scummy because of the emotional stuff afterwards or did you think it was not scummy before?

Also, if it was inconsistent, you can imagine that some people DID find it scummy right?

So, Rayn found it scummy and it WAS an inconsistency so his case WASN'T actually that bad and he thinks it's a slam dunk and solely wanted to vote Jock and was afk for a very long time. That's the crux of rayn's play this game. Is that scummy?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 18:44 GMT
#1728
On May 22 2019 03:40 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 03:28 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:20 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:18 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:16 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?

First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?

Come on.

Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".

But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.


Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D


Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him?


I want rayn dead more and cannot understand why nobody will just kill him already.

I don't care about anyone else.

Like the reason I even suggested rayn as a lynch was because [at the time I made the 'lynch rayn' post] nobody else was doing anything and a bunch of my town-reads thought rayn was suspect too.

But when I actually say 'hey maybe we should lynch rayn' nobody does anything and SUDDENLY people want to lynch Jock or me instead.


Do you think the reasons for wanting to lynch jock were bad? Do you disagree with my case that he was caught out in an inconsistency?


I don't disagree it was inconsistent.

I just don't think it's a mafia inconsistency. Or a bad enough inconsistency to make me reconsider my town read.

I'll admit I've spent a lot of the game thinking "this guy is obvious town, who gives a damn if he has one or two weird posts if they're not really mafia motivated?" though so I am biased towards dismissing stuff against him.

[I feel the same way about WBG. To me he is also obvious town]


Do you think it's not scummy because of the emotional stuff afterwards or did you think it was not scummy before?

Also, if it was inconsistent, you can imagine that some people DID find it scummy right?

So, Rayn found it scummy and it WAS an inconsistency so his case WASN'T actually that bad and he thinks it's a slam dunk and solely wanted to vote Jock and was afk for a very long time. That's the crux of rayn's play this game. Is that scummy?


I am not considering the 'emotional stuff' so the latter.

I don't think rayn is scummy purely because he made a case on Jock. Nor do I think rayn being AFK for a while makes him scummy. But I think he made the Jock case with a level of confidence which doesn't match up to how strong the case actually is. That is indicative of a mafia faking. And when he returned from his AFKing, he made a LOT of posts that blatantly pushed mafia agenda [dredging up old points, being inflammatory, discussing irrelevant stuff].
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 18:53 GMT
#1729
Anyway I also think ruxxar/ disformation/ Conversion are all town.

But I think the spammers/ more dominant players will gang up on them at some point. Every time the spammers post, it feels dirty to me. Didn't get the same mafia-influenced vibes when I was just posting with ruxxar, disfo, Conversion, WBG.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2019 18:54 GMT
#1730
I say we lynch igrok and see where the nks take us.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2019 18:57 GMT
#1731
Yes, this is a real waffle but I get a good feeling from Calix's posts every time she feels convicted about stuff that just seems honest (apart from the re-entry).
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 18:58 GMT
#1732
On May 22 2019 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Yes, this is a real waffle but I get a good feeling from Calix's posts every time she feels convicted about stuff that just seems honest (apart from the re-entry).


Dunno what you mean by this exactly, please elaborate.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 21 2019 18:58 GMT
#1733
On May 22 2019 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Yes, this is a real waffle but I get a good feeling from Calix's posts every time she feels convicted about stuff that just seems honest (apart from the re-entry).

I'm not against this but we've lost rayn.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 21 2019 18:59 GMT
#1734
And Koshi is Koshi.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 19:01 GMT
#1735
If you're so bloody worried about getting a consensus then fine, I'll consider voting for iGrok.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 21 2019 19:02 GMT
#1736
On May 22 2019 04:01 Calix wrote:
If you're so bloody worried about getting a consensus then fine, I'll consider voting for iGrok.

Are you not?

Like, the town is pretty polarized right now, and Koshi/rayn are probably NOT switching, so like...you know...
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 21 2019 19:03 GMT
#1737
It might be important just to keep you alive ya know? Just sayin.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2019 19:05 GMT
#1738
This game is very confusing. I feel like every time I accuse somebody of something it's like trying to ram a jigsaw piece that doesn't quite fit. That usually means one of the people that are town read by lots of people is playing well. There are a few outliers though. I think Artanis just posts really agreeable things and decides to leave each time so he doesn't draw attention to himself. I think iGrok basically just sheeped consensus and couldn't be fucked to expand on his read on me.

Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 19:05 GMT
#1739
On May 22 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
It might be important just to keep you alive ya know? Just sayin.


Yeah I don't want to switch.

But I'd be throwing if I didn't at least consider it.

Still holding out that some of the one-vote trains and non-voters will see the light though, lol.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2019 19:07 GMT
#1740
Can you just drop rayn for like 2 god damn seconds and talk about your feelings on iGrok? He's posted accusations at you and you haven't really acknowledged his existence despite being your mafia read.

Quote some of his posts, tell us why he's wrong.
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