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On May 21 2019 17:38 Jockmcplop wrote: But you just asked hf to help you figure out koshi's alignment! Yeah I realize it’s a waste of time atm. Let’s just kill ruxxar and worry about Koshi later | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:47 ruXxar wrote: What id this logic. Ruxx: hf is acting scummy Hf: youre right, but your scummy for calling me scum. Our active lurker is back to nitpick something!  | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:50 Holyflare wrote: Sorry what was I supposed to respond to? I am the perfect lynch bait. I could make a case on myself for being mafia. High activity poking on rayn to blow up into low activity keeping options open when everyone becomes active? I'm the mafia dream to push. Nobody can really argue with that. Push back on calix/conversion etc is all because they have blurred lines, nothing to sway one way or the other. Are you going to help kill ruxxar?? I honestly don’t think iGrok is scum here. Scum basically has to be in: Ruxxar VE rayn Koshi Almost everyone else has a few or loads of town points in favour | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:54 Koshi wrote: Amazing how you can filter townies. If those 4 are town. I am going to make you hate me in future games. You don’t know if you are town yourself? | ||
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calix vote ruxxar. Your point on the wagons does not apply to ruxxar, and it’s wrong in some key ways, notably that rayn has been trying to proxy push disformation (through Koshi) for a while now Also scum would care about keeping the votes spread, which is exactly why ruxxar’s vote is a scum vote and why VE not helping me consolidate on disfo/ruxxar earlier is a huge red flag | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:59 Holyflare wrote: I will interact and evaluate as best I can. Soon. I don't really agree with Koshi and dunno how you have him there after last game? Pretty different. Think this is a bit of a mediocre list. Koshi is a POE read and why I asked you to help me read him. I agree he’s fairly different than last game and it’s also why I want to just punt him. Ruxxar we can agree is scum. VE I’m more certain on than rayn actually. Maybe you agree with VE because he shared your push on iGrok, but he got so many things wrong this game and dodged several key questions I asked him. It’s uncharacteristic. His reads and behaviour also don’t make much sense given the context of this game so far. Rayn is just as equally making no sense, pushing disfo which is a bad lynch but not even doing it directly, rather pushing it trough Koshi, and to top it all off conveniently disappeared when the pressure abated only to come back when people started noticing he disappeared All three of those players have strange interactions with ruxxar and are the main cause of the resistance to the lynch. Just go back and reread them if you don’t believe me | ||
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You can just read rayn’s last couple filter pages and look for his questions to Koshi | ||
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If in context of the rest of the game rayn is not making any sense he’s not town here. Last game I thought his read on me was pretty stupid and he was constantly repeating the same questions at me when I had already answered him. He did a bit of that here re: my vote on him but while I agreed with his opinions overall d1 yesterday his opinions here are just nonsense | ||
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On May 21 2019 18:22 disformation wrote: man. conv could be scum after all. also not sure if i like koshi agreeing to that crap. prolly biased though. -.- vote ruxxar!! god damn in my spreadsheet I noted that we might need to let conversion kill you to ensure the tunnel ends and now it indeed seems to me that the two of you are just gonna build a corner for yourselves and sling poop at each other until the rest of us tire of it and kill one of you it's sad because I have good reasons to consider you both town too. Both me, HF, and BC all think ruxxar is scum. If any of us is not in your town reads, you have a problem bigger than conversion calling you scum. Vote with us. | ||
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On May 21 2019 01:14 Conversion wrote: interestingly enough I have played with disformation more than I thought two recent games I'm meta diving here: classic (disfo mafia)and vendee (disfo town, replaced in after N1) the thing with disfo here, from what I'm reading, is that he generally sounds the same (to which I think rayn alluded to when he was telling me disfo sounds the same either way) the thing is I'm more inclined to believe disfo is mafia here because it's been almost 48hrs and he hasn't done one productive thing all game let's take a look at Vendee: vendee + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2018 05:25 disformation wrote: also a random thought i had: if i remember correctly: the rs wagon was for a long time the only serious one around, so i want to look at ppl who hoped onto that easily/meekily so that they look like they were doing/pushing someone. On February 08 2018 05:43 disformation wrote: flagged for possible teammate interaction. aware you are both in thread and mderg isnt doing too hot? your waffles on mderg dont look too bad imo. i have more of an issue that you basically had no reads? like first 2 pages of your filter you only directly have a read on rsoultin then you add mderg and prpl to your scumpile. heavily implied strong tr on koshi though On February 08 2018 06:51 disformation wrote: ritoky afks his vote on mderg fairly early in the day. says we could default lynch him instead for shennies. dont think that is likely to come from scum. hf was hammer on scum. and even if both wagons are scum i think a scum!hf would have played this day differently. outside of that it is a bit hard to tell imo. kinda depends on whether rsoultin is really scum or not. I'm not going to go on a wall of quotes here, but what I'm seeing is lots of transparent thoughts in solving the game, without PRODDING. that's the big thing here, disfo this game has done nothing but majorly prodding. no real original thoughts tbh, just lots of questions won't share who he wants to lynch, won't comment on wagons, doesn't defend anyone, he tries to slink off into the background stuff like this in the current game On May 20 2019 23:57 disformation wrote: currently looking at ruxxar. doesnt seem like a bad vote target. other option would be to sheep ve and hf onto igrok. want to see bc to explain the stuff surrounding his jock quote, think that will heavily influence my opinion on him. fairly null on you tbh. translates to "ruxxar is meh, I'll vote him maybe, or I'll sheep to igro, but you are null. he just seems very opportunistic and not trying to solve the game he only really comes in when questioned/asked as well, I'm not seeing any proactivity in scum hunting in his posts now let's look at his mafia game classic + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2018 16:36 disformation wrote: not sure what to about mocsta. I like that he is like looking at ppl that are not much talked about (tocktock). but then both tocktock and ylk look like okayish to me, so I am not sure if he is just making stuff up to post. On March 21 2018 21:34 disformation wrote: @rs: did look at the host revenge game. slam looked very different to here. i also don't think he would care that much about ppl voting him that much normally. but as a question: does it look different from only his town games or both his town and scum games? dont recall any scum slam games I was, link me a good one? though if the theory works then slam should think you are town for voting him early. as scum tries to keep him alive for long. the thing is, he hasn't posted about that theory thing recently hasnt he? maybe he forgot? so the question would be: @slam: chupazi theory or: which one is it? but i am not gonna lie, between him being very different and him being apparently fairly upset by that vote, he makes me nervous. On March 21 2018 21:56 disformation wrote: rayn's overall filter is kinda meh. doesn't look horrible on a glance, but has not a lot of impact either. his reason to vote me checks out. also seems to be very busy. rayn has fooled me before though so i'll reserve the right to some paranoia. not sure if i would want to lynch him for that d1, but if his filter is still meh and he has had no impact on a later day, i would heavily recommend lynching him. On March 21 2018 22:08 disformation wrote: nah. don't have a problem with rs's filter. have no meta with/on her though. On March 21 2018 22:25 disformation wrote: yeah i think that was my prob with conv as well. he had like 2 reads. just to organize my thought: town(ish) (no order): tocktock vivi ksc rs mocsta way too many nulls/meh/bleh ppl. he does a better job blending in Classic than he is here, actually. tries to at least LOOK like he's putting in some effort, but looking at his game here, it just does exactly what he's doing here, just better he's blending in, throwing out some "reads" here and there, but falls flat in taking a strong stance in really anything I just feel like it's the same sort of weird tonal meta read I had with rsoul in Vendee and the meta diving for me encapsulates disformation very clearly here: demotivated, trying to stay hidden and posting for the sake of posting (lots of prodding, evades conclusive questions, not really sure what real objective he has for D1 still to this hour) I'd just like to reiterate here that I do not think Jock-Disfo can be a team from the way they are playing. I'll look into ruxxar next since he did kind of just go "u tried" and ran away btw this amount of effort is indicative of someone who really believes they have nailed someone as scum I don't care who it is, you don't kill someone who makes this post d1. Even if they have the capacity to play a brilliant scum game, killing them d1 is a low value-prop move because such a player would also have the opportunity to contribute a lot to town. Leaving them for d2 or d3 is much smarter. My suggestion for the group of conversion/Calix/Jock/disformation: you all seem to drift back and forth between clarity and confusion because this game is quite chaotic and there is a lot of seemingly good activity. Focus on the things that matter, and look at who you read as town. If you're an isolated vote right now then try to think why people aren't agreeing with you. HF, myself, and BC are all in agreement on ruxxar. I don't know for sure where they stand on rayn/VE but at this stage I think it's just a matter of time. If we are indeed in your town read pile then vote with us, because I for one am not going to support a disfo/conversion lynch today and I highly doubt HF and BC will either unless something unexpected happens which causes them to waffle. | ||
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On May 21 2019 18:29 Holyflare wrote: Why are you not calling me mafia for this then? hello, I've been asking you for like four fucking pages to vote with me and stop voting iGrok but it seems like you're just taking your time so I'm waiting to see what you're going to do on behaviour I have no reasons to think you're scum because your read progressions make sense and you called out exactly what I'd expect you to call out on ruxxar's vote post. You also called out rayn even if you for whatever weird reason called my list, half of which is ruxxar + rayn, trash | ||
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that is really what makes him scum. Also what is it about his posts that you find not scummy? If it's tone, I already can tell you that's probably not alignment indicative for ruxxar. | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:03 Holyflare wrote: Just seem honest and not really hiding much? Dunno how to explain feels really. He'll respond to me, no worries. but he isn't honest, and he is hiding things? Or at the very least not explaining them whatsoever. His read progressions are not natural, like he doesn't seem to be thinking about how to solve the game and just jumps between things. The only place where it seemed like he was catching onto something was with BC and he didn't complete the follow up. He asked a couple questions and every time he never followed up to get the answer. for instance, why did he say 1 of Calix/Conversion is prob scum and then completely drop it to refocus on you? Why did he say he would be around for questions and then didn't actually answer any questions posed to him immediately after, particularly by me? See between when he re-enters and 824, with full thread context (so you can see what he is being asked) For instance, he doesn't clarify his read on Jock when asked by Calix. The biggest single question dodge is this one though: On May 20 2019 16:42 ruXxar wrote: So is calix scummy or not? Make up your mind. You say im scummy for reading calix as scum, but now youre calling calix scum also. #galaxybrain I asked him to talk about disformation, and if he doesn't have an opinion there, about conversion pushing disformation. He ignores that question and misconstrues what I'm saying about Calix. I respond to this in the off-chance he is town and just misunderstood what I meant, and he never responds back, no follow up, it's like this exchange never happened. | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:03 Jockmcplop wrote: Plenty of people don't respond to questions. It doesn't always make them scum. What about ruxxar specifically makes not responding to questions scummy, but tone NAI?? tone is NAI because he bristles as both alignments. See my post @ #949 for an example where he is fairly aggressive as scum, or just read through Mafia Mafia Mafia yourself: On May 21 2019 08:31 wherebugsgo wrote: Just FYI, ruxxar can put up a fair amount of bristle as town so if you also share the bad take on “tone” that he’s town, you need a better reason to think so. Here’s an example post of ruxxar showing some fair amount of sass in a game where he rolled and won as mafia, oddly enough with Koshi: That post is from Mafia Mafia Mafia Also, he calls people townies all the time when he is mafia, so as I suspected this is not alignment indicative and certainly not any reason to think he has real reads. In context it makes his reread look much worse because a single town read on Koshi is literally the only thing he came back with. not responding to questions and not following up on your own questions, as well as reaching absurd reads with no progression is an indication that someone is scum because they aren't naturally trying to figure out the game. This is in contrast to, for example, various posts that Conversion, Calix, BC, HF, you, and disformation have all made this game where each of you have had something that didn't make sense and tried to track it down, or complained when felt ignored. These types of progressions are really really hard to fake because mafia already have full knowledge of the game, and faking them is sometimes quite dangerous because it takes a really good understanding of what town would think without that full information. It's much more common just to see mafia 1.) not ask these questions, or if they do, not follow up on them, and 2.) for mafia to reach conclusions in weird manners that don't make sense from a town perspective given the info that is present. This is actually the reason I never fully townread grack last game even though on tone he seemed fine. I know HF and rayn both really thought grack was town in the obs thread so I know that our philosophies aren't quite identical; I agree on the surface though that the tone/behaviour reads are very tempting. I honestly saw that myself in ruxxar before I checked a past game to see if it was possible in his scum range, and turns out it is. | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:14 VisceraEyes wrote: "The real read flag is how VE refused to consolidate votes on me" Is this shit for real? Like, this is a SEVENTY-TWO hour day, and HALF the players started playing the moment I went to bed JUST AS I SUSPECTED THEY WOULD. The only people mafia reading me are people who are mad at me for stupid things. That is ironic as hell. I think I might be the only person publicly mafia reading you and that's certainly not why but it's okay, I do agree with you that you're not getting lynched today and you have plenty of time to help me kill ruxxar. I know you're going to have to move your vote away from iGrok no matter what your alignment is, you're too smart to keep it there | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:16 Holyflare wrote: I dunno what to tell you bugs but I just don't find those things scummy? Maybe he had to disappear, maybe he found something better and flitted to the next thing on his mind? I think mafia would be more careful about having explanations at least rather than dropping things for no reason and moving on? What reason does he have to drop calix read etc? but he had no follow-up, and it's not like it happened once. And when called out he just ignored it, but we happen to know he's here reading the thread because he occasionally comes in and throws shade on a post before slinking off again. He's like the definition of active lurker. I think whether mafia find reasons for dropping reads is dependent on style. I think the more consistent behaviour with regards to explanations is whether they have reasons for voting someone. I think we can both agree that his reasons for his votes are pretty scummy. If not, then I encourage you to tell me who you think I should vote instead. | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:18 VisceraEyes wrote: My vote is on Calix currently and yes, I intend to move it. ah right, I forgot that you ninja voted. I did notice though | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Like at this point I've come to grips with the fact that I'm not as townread as I was - my intention is to change that before D2. Who do you actually townread this game and why were you so easily convinced by Koshi that Calix is scum? | ||
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