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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 06:56 GMT
#1021
Actually I take that back, BC didn’t really even sheep me, he identified ruxxar before I did

I highly doubt BC is scum here and we’re not killing him d1 anyway
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 21 2019 06:57 GMT
#1022
Fine.

Pls read page 2 of bloodycobbler.

How he reacts on Calix opening post.
How he reacts on Ruxxar opening post. (Much milder)

You understand how he then reads ruxxar mafia over calix?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 21 2019 06:58 GMT
#1023
On May 21 2019 15:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Actually I take that back, BC didn’t really even sheep me, he identified ruxxar before I did

I highly doubt BC is scum here and we’re not killing him d1 anyway

Yes. My problem is not idebtifying.

I have a problem with how he saw how scummy the Calix post was but then let that die and used thread sentiment to push Ruxxar over Calix.
I had a good night of sleep.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 07:05 GMT
#1024
On May 21 2019 15:58 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 15:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Actually I take that back, BC didn’t really even sheep me, he identified ruxxar before I did

I highly doubt BC is scum here and we’re not killing him d1 anyway

Yes. My problem is not idebtifying.

I have a problem with how he saw how scummy the Calix post was but then let that die and used thread sentiment to push Ruxxar over Calix.


I mean we can just ask him why he did that, I think it’s fairly obvious though. Ruxxar voted Calix before he could really get in much of a word on Calix.

If someone comes in and posts the exact same post as your top scum read, but then votes your top scum read, I’d think you’d also go wtf one of these two have to be scum and perhaps both are. I imagine BC was fine voting ruxxar over calix because 1. They did the same thing and ruxxar votes calix, which makes ruxxar look worse because of the self-contradiction and 2. I agreed on ruxxar but not on calix and i’m pretty sure BC and I are mutually townreading each other

However he has only one vote and I’m sure if we asked him BC would probably be fine with killing Calix atm too.

Also this:

On May 21 2019 09:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Yeah. Bugs you can stay in my town circle.

Anyone wondering why anyone (mainly bugs and myself)
Are on ruxxar.

1) his first post called out someone for being mafia. This post however was near identical to the person he called mafia.

2) when pushed on said read he highlighted one aspect that made him think calix was red. Which was a read on bugs.

3) subsequently from then he has said town reads, been ok to just swap to other likely wagons (with near no stated reason) and thrown shade without solid commitment to anything.

4) active lurking.

All these things are mafia traits. As such I believe he has a higher likelihood to flip scum. People can keep looking at other people. I mean I want people to keep hunting for the other scum. However the lack of anyone wanting to even comment on ruxxar while trying to bring igrok/calix/anyone else forward is odd.


See point #1
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2019 07:06 GMT
#1025
On May 21 2019 11:30 ruXxar wrote:
Bugs sounding like a broken record and repeating yourself ad nauseam doesnt make the genie pop out of bottle and make your wish of me being mafia come true.

It does however make me think youre just a dumb town tunneling. Unless youre scum buddy with calix trying to deflect his lynch(which i find unlikely after your call out post), youre just stuck in the typical town ego trap of mafia read confirmation bias. Your ego wont allow you to back down from this lynch now that youve put so much into it.
I see no point why you as mafia would keep pushing me at this point.
Thats fine, i get it, ive been there. Ill just ignore you from now on as youre very clearly too deep in the hole to think rationally any longer.

I do want to bring attention to the huge momentum swing we’ve had in activity from certain players.
The beginning of the game was a big shitshow dominated by the presence of rayn and hf. Both of which have gone either completely silent(rayn) or currently do not give a shit(hf)

Rayn really outed himself in a dumb way that i dont think mafia would do. He took a what i would consider big gamble by goung full retard. He was on the chopping block for a while but made it out alive. Hes very likely town at this point.

Hf on the other hand, is currently playing a masterful scum game. Hes controlling his thread presence well, but has basically taken no hard scum stances on anyone. Hes wobbling and flaky in his reads and he refuses to take a stance on the main wagons by either defending or pushing them (calix and me).
Lately he seems very content with where the thread is heading and is very indifferent to the outcome of this lynch, despite claiming that i was not scum earlier and refusing to make up a fresh opinion.
I see no real motivation behind his actions besides his content in letting this lynch play out.
HF reeks of scum and is almost certain to flip mafia at this point, summing up the development of his thread interaction, lack of real motivation and indifference to the current situation.

Tldr:

Bugs is dumbo town.
Rayn is town.
HF is mafia.

##vote holyflare


I think this is a mafia post.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 07:06 GMT
#1026
Also “he let Calix sentiment die” is straight up false, he never opposed lynching Calix and continually called Calix scum. If anything Calix’s own responses and my comments both contributed to Calix being less suspected.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 21 2019 07:06 GMT
#1027
Hmmmm but it wasnt close to the same post imo. But ok.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 21 2019 07:07 GMT
#1028
Calix felt way worse. Wayyyyy worse.
I had a good night of sleep.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 07:07 GMT
#1029
On May 21 2019 16:06 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 11:30 ruXxar wrote:
Bugs sounding like a broken record and repeating yourself ad nauseam doesnt make the genie pop out of bottle and make your wish of me being mafia come true.

It does however make me think youre just a dumb town tunneling. Unless youre scum buddy with calix trying to deflect his lynch(which i find unlikely after your call out post), youre just stuck in the typical town ego trap of mafia read confirmation bias. Your ego wont allow you to back down from this lynch now that youve put so much into it.
I see no point why you as mafia would keep pushing me at this point.
Thats fine, i get it, ive been there. Ill just ignore you from now on as youre very clearly too deep in the hole to think rationally any longer.

I do want to bring attention to the huge momentum swing we’ve had in activity from certain players.
The beginning of the game was a big shitshow dominated by the presence of rayn and hf. Both of which have gone either completely silent(rayn) or currently do not give a shit(hf)

Rayn really outed himself in a dumb way that i dont think mafia would do. He took a what i would consider big gamble by goung full retard. He was on the chopping block for a while but made it out alive. Hes very likely town at this point.

Hf on the other hand, is currently playing a masterful scum game. Hes controlling his thread presence well, but has basically taken no hard scum stances on anyone. Hes wobbling and flaky in his reads and he refuses to take a stance on the main wagons by either defending or pushing them (calix and me).
Lately he seems very content with where the thread is heading and is very indifferent to the outcome of this lynch, despite claiming that i was not scum earlier and refusing to make up a fresh opinion.
I see no real motivation behind his actions besides his content in letting this lynch play out.
HF reeks of scum and is almost certain to flip mafia at this point, summing up the development of his thread interaction, lack of real motivation and indifference to the current situation.

Tldr:

Bugs is dumbo town.
Rayn is town.
HF is mafia.

##vote holyflare


I think this is a mafia post.


Hell yes convince these jubjubs to kill ruxxar please, I haven’t been able to do it myself
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 21 2019 07:09 GMT
#1030
But in a world you feel equally bad about both posts I guess BC his actions make sense.

I cant get over the fact one can think the post from Ruxxar was equally scummy to the one of Calix.

And the initial reaction from BC on both posts reflect that imo.



But fine. Maybe he is telling the truth and not making up fake reasoning as mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 07:09 GMT
#1031
On May 21 2019 16:07 Koshi wrote:
Calix felt way worse. Wayyyyy worse.


fuck off, are you scum with ruxxar?

Like this is just not based on anything at all, they made almost identical posts and then ruxxar voted Calix. Therefore BC is scum because he called them both scummy??

Gtfo this is a garbage take if real
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 21 2019 07:11 GMT
#1032
On May 21 2019 16:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 16:07 Koshi wrote:
Calix felt way worse. Wayyyyy worse.


fuck off, are you scum with ruxxar?

Like this is just not based on anything at all, they made almost identical posts and then ruxxar voted Calix. Therefore BC is scum because he called them both scummy??

Gtfo this is a garbage take if real

No u
I had a good night of sleep.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9794 Posts
May 21 2019 07:13 GMT
#1033
Rayn you were here a minute ago what you thinking about everything that happened since you disappeared?
RIP Meatloaf <3
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 21 2019 07:14 GMT
#1034
On May 20 2019 07:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.

HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.

I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.

Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.

(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)

##vote raynpelikoneet


Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.

- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.

- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.

##Vote calix


Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 06:49 ruXxar wrote:
On May 20 2019 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.

- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.

- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.

##Vote calix



Please elaborate on specifics on when Calix did these things so that I can cross reference what you actually mean and if it's bs or not.


On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.

HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.

I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.

Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.

(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)

##vote raynpelikoneet


this post right here
it almost makes me wanna vomit how artificial it is


gonna post these now as I feel current trend has gone away from them. So lets talk about it!


Also, Bugs and VE

Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Rayn, what was the plan behind it?

No plan. I just thought it would be fun.


So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?

That's really the line you're going with lol?

Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...

I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.


Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??

It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.



Reread it.
Meh meh.

Mehhhhhhh


I understand bloodycobbler his mindset now though.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 21 2019 07:15 GMT
#1035
Maybe both are mafia after all.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2019 07:15 GMT
#1036
I honestly don't get the disfo hate? Not particularly read his filter but he seems fine? Looks like he has his own take on people that is different and fresh whenever I skim and he seems to have a good grasp of the thread events.

Also calix imo has looked better. These people look like they're trying to solve the game and having a hard time with it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2019 07:17 GMT
#1037
Also to answer your points ruxxar, I had all the weekend free and then I work. Night and day difference in activity and caring.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 07:18 GMT
#1038
rayn has a good chance to be scum this game, especially if ruxxar is scum. His disappearances are too convenient and he’s pushing a disformation lynch by proxy

I think the disformation push is the mafia-pushed wagon here (not to say conv is scum, just that I think disformation has too many people suspicious of him for it to be entirely town-influenced)

VE is a coinflip. Could go either way there. Same on Koshi but I lean more town lately.

Best bet is we kill ruxxar and get some clarity
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2019 07:20 GMT
#1039
There's so many people that I fringe read as town I'm essentially forced to hedge until I get a better read through of which is unlikely to happen.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2019 07:23 GMT
#1040
Fringe read town but could be scum;

Disfo
Calix
Koshi
Rayn

Null read could be scum:

Conversion
Ruxxar (although last post maybe changes my mind a bit to say scummy)
VE (deal with it)

Scummy:

Igrok (literally just summary post with no conclusions yet)
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