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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On May 21 2019 16:23 Holyflare wrote: Man I forgot about artanis he can go into null to scummy. I actually think he has a good chance of being mafia. Actually read his filter and it's not that bad. He can go fringe town. Can't remember what his mafia range is but I wouldn't say what he's posted would be out of it. Quite bc centric. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9755 Posts
On May 21 2019 07:59 disformation wrote: getting kinda late here, but i can be around a bit longer. so head kinda at: there is something wrong in calix <> wbg <> koshi that i need to look at after ive gotten some sleep. i think bc hasnt explained the jock reads stuff so I actually have no idea how some reads in his filter came to be, which i dont like the longer the game progresses. the last page of his filter also doesnt carry a lot of good information. liked him better earlier in the game. I can actually explain this if you wanted me to... but I'm kinda waiting for BC to turn up and do so. He's been asked by disfo like 10 times to explain something and is ignoring it or being coy. I don't get why people can't be straightforward about stuff like this. Explain your reads people. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were: Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well. But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 21 2019 16:25 Holyflare wrote: Actually read his filter and it's not that bad. He can go fringe town. Can't remember what his mafia range is but I wouldn't say what he's posted would be out of it. Quite bc centric. my current mafia list, 25% is baseline: ruxxar - 80% VE - 50-75% rayn - 50% Koshi - 25% iGrok I still have at baseline because he still hasn't done much, but it's 3:30 EST so we'll have time tomorrow hopefully. First impression so far so good, especially because he wants to kill ruxxar & disfo and those aren't super whacky opinions to have Koshi I had scummier than baseline until last page where we talked about BC. However that was purely based on malleability of his opinion. Rayn I have scummy because he used Koshi as a proxy to throw shade on disfo. VE I want you to get back to me on ruxxar best lynch everyone else in the game I've found enough reasons to be town that I don't want to lynch them today. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On May 21 2019 16:23 Holyflare wrote: Scummy: Igrok (literally just summary post with no conclusions yet) Duh. I literally just caught up on the thread in the last 15 minutes, but have been commenting a bit on my thoughts as I read through. How I'm the only one in your scum list, and not in the null pile, makes no sense. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 21 2019 16:31 iGrok wrote: Man, I'm out of practice. I really want to feel like calix is mafia, but I can tell if its because she is making bad aggro on me and I'm overreacting. It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were: Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well. But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts? Calix is a hard read for me as well but I lean toward town because I felt a genuine sense of trying to figure out the game. For instance, I think it's a rare scum that would write this post: On May 21 2019 08:44 Calix wrote: I personally don't see a problem with discussing people even if they're not likely to die today. But clearly this is something you dislike. You say it's scummy how difficult it is to get votes on ruxxar and that people defend him. I find it scummy that Conversion is largely ignored. When I am less tired, I'll look into ruxxar again but my vision's going double, lol. It's even weirder that of the main 'trains', only one person [ruxxar] has any case against him. Nobody has a good reason to kill me ['tone' or 'meta' or 'sheeping' aren't reasons]. Meanwhile my main reason for scum-reading Conversion is because I think he's pretending to tunnel disformation to avoid commenting on the rest of the game. Which is not really a case either. TL;DR: These trains are really shoddy for almost 48 hours of work. I think this is a sentiment that townies who are trying to figure out the game should share at this time and it's also a big reason why I read one certain player as scum, because he does not seem to share this same urgency/concern. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9755 Posts
On May 21 2019 16:37 iGrok wrote: @bugs I have Koshi as my towniest read. Why? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 21 2019 16:37 iGrok wrote: @bugs I have Koshi as my towniest read. Yeah HF also reads Koshi as town and I'll freely admit I don't really know how to read Koshi very well. I think he's just sort of a leftover for me in case one of ruxxar/VE/rayn is not actually scum here. I could alternatively be wrong on Calix but I highly doubt that, especially because ruxxar pushed Calix. The only other potential question marks are disfo, conversion, you, and Artanis, and for each of you I have good reasons to think you're town. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On May 21 2019 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi are you around in like 5 hrs? Potentially. But I am working so dnu. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On May 21 2019 16:33 iGrok wrote: Duh. I literally just caught up on the thread in the last 15 minutes, but have been commenting a bit on my thoughts as I read through. How I'm the only one in your scum list, and not in the null pile, makes no sense. Because I already had a reason to scum read you and posting the summaries hasn't changed that? If you do good with the work then there's always room to change? Dunno what to tell you buddy. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9755 Posts
I don't get how. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
Partially because I don't have any reads over 70% certain, and partially because, while Koshi's style is spammy, snarky, etc, the points are solid. Even though we don't agree (He doesn't think Ruxxar is a good lynch for example), the spam gives me enough framework to put myself in his perspective, and from his perspective I can kind of see his point. Not perfectly, but decently. Personally I think one of the best ways to play mafia is to establish a mental framework, and then see if what they say follows logically from that perspective. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On May 21 2019 16:50 Jockmcplop wrote: WBG can you explain what you mean when you say that rayn is using koshi as a proxy to attack disfo? I don't get how. rayn asked me how I read disfo. I said no mafia maybe rayn said mafia probably | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 21 2019 16:50 Jockmcplop wrote: WBG can you explain what you mean when you say that rayn is using koshi as a proxy to attack disfo? I don't get how. as Koshi said above: On May 21 2019 11:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi does disformation look townie? On May 21 2019 15:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay if you say so then hes probably mafia. On May 21 2019 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi are you around in like 5 hrs? one explanation is that town-rayn is buddying koshi because neither HF nor I were talking to him in a way that he wanted but I find that less likely because he was completely absent during the time period that he says he's normally active. Once the pressure stopped on him rayn stopped participating, and that jives with what I'd expect from scum rayn because when I played with him on the same team he seemed like he couldn't handle the stress of being scum | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day. Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there. Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1 Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it. | ||
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You are pretty chill to discuss stuff with, lol.
