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We have 3 confirmed townies if no one else claims blue: koshi rayn wherebugsgo No point in me waiting for the EON to post this now because I don't see any evidence rayn or koshi are fake claiming here and the flip was not another blue as I was suspecting, so Koshi's hit claim is 100% legit unless we have a jailer come forward later in the game. I'm: gunsmith that's how my role appears, even though it's Gunsmith in the OP. Important thing to know about my role: I know whether I was roleblocked on n1 because I can check whether I have a gun after the night if I've tried to send the gun to someone. I don't have my gun anymore and so my send on n1 was successful. to the person who received my gun on n1: Shoot VE tonight. Now that's over with, here's my remaining thoughts: There are 3 scum in these players: VE/BC/HF/Calix/disformation/Artanis That's currently the order I'd kill them, left to right. VisceraEyes he's dead tonight unless I happened to give my gun to a scum n1. Highly doubt that though  BloodyC0bbler - very likely to be scum with VE because he's been passing on reading a lot of players, especially VE in particular. Really bad posts today. Raging on Koshi getting shot, bad play, etc. smells like he's genuinely tired of this game but it looks a lot worse to me now because unlike last game he hasn't actively helped me as much as I'd expect him to, and I think his reads are trash. He also took no stance on me vs VE and given the amount of time and number of posts I've made, it's unacceptable that he still townreads VE. I personally believe he needs to die tomorrow. HolyFlare pretty likely to be scum here too. Given the events of the game and now that we know rayn and Koshi are town, I'll leave it to both of them to decide between HF/Calix/BC. Both ruxxar and iGrok thought he was scum and it's honestly not terribly unlikely that HF is scum given how chaotic this town has been. Even if all of the scumteam options here are disgusting like VE/BC/HF or VE/BC/Calix or (less likely IMO) VE/Calix/HF we can still easily win here. Highly likely town Jockmcplop - you can do this. Look at my reads but also trust your own as it gets later in the game. Conversion - highly doubt you're scum here. iGrok saw the same thing I did on you, and so did Calix. Townish but on the POE list: Calix - I believe you're town but you're part of the POE list now because rayn and koshi are confirmed town and it's confirmed that koshi was shot. If you're town your job will be to figure out the one scum between HF/disfo/artanis, with a possibility of conversion, I believe. However you're probably the best lynch after HF if he flips town because you obviously would have a huge motivation to shoot Koshi, and if you're on a team with VE that would be an obvious bus opportunity as well. Sorry. Artanis I gave you quite a pass on d2. You looked a lot better than BC to me. You also scumread BC. I actually see some of the anger tone appearing on BC so I think the meta defense case was bad (and this makes HF look way worse as well) especially because if BC is scum here he's playing with VE, and if HF is scum with him then the defense on BC wasn't real. However you didn't really agree with me on VE so that's a minus in my book on you. Once VE flips red on the daypost I hope you can pull out a lynch of BC or HF tomorrow without getting mislynched if you are indeed town here. disformation - I believe you're town as well but at this point I don't remember exactly why. You're my least certain read here and you need to start taking really hard stances on which pair of scum teammates VE has, otherwise you might be lynchbait. + Show Spoiler + I nearly died laughing when I saw this: On May 26 2019 04:30 Holyflare wrote: I'm not lying? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/U5msZcj.gif) Why do you think he's been making all these blue posts all of a sudden? I actually have insomnia and so I saw it soon after it was posted, but I was so sleepy I had no idea what was going on. Flashbacks to last game and the fake claim and I was just like nah let's sleep it off LOL | ||
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On May 26 2019 01:51 Holyflare wrote: BloodyC0bbler Table of Contents Read Progression - Inconsistent Thoughts and Scummy Jock Reads - Really Scummy Looking Other D1 Reads - Not awful Post D1 Flip/N1 - Inconsistent/Not Awful D2 - Not Bad/Consistent TL;DR His read progression + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. BC begins the game saying that the vote train on Rayn is really bad (from me) because I fake claim stuff all the time but this was quite literally nothing to do with fake claiming anything. Straight after he then goes on to say if you voted for Rayn for anything after that you are in the clear for now but he has the following things. Both of these things are inconsistent AND unrelated to each other. One of them is simply about his view on myself and the other is for everyone else that voted for Rayn after the fact (but I was the first one to vote for rayn for something not to do with the claim too!) so it's a lot of hot air. He posts a small read list but there's several inconsistent things related to it. Earlier he said that everyone voting for rayn after the fact is in the clear for now but Jock and myself both voted for rayn after the fact and are null to scum and Rayn is null possible town. This is internally inconsistent with what BC has promoted in the thread. Why is everyone that voted for rayn after the claim thing clear if he town reads rayn? Calix is also scum but shares this same sentiment, so really the beginning of his post was entirely irrelevant wasn't it? Furthermore, he scum reads Calix for her opening post saying it's anything but "certain" but doesn't evaluate where it's UNcertain. I'd argue it's not really uncertain at all like he makes it out to be, quite the opposite in fact, very hard stances. This post seems like a terrible conclusion to me: Both Ruxxar and Calix are on his lean scum reads (Calix being mafia) but his conclusion after this is that Ruxxar AND Calix are mafia or one of them is. It's a bit of a backwards conclusion to make rather than Ruxxar just being town. What you'd be even more confused to know is that this ruxxar conclusion comes BEFORE BC had already made his read list that called ruxxar/calix lean scum/scum so it's already gone back in time to make a weird conclusion that wasn't even necessary if that's what he already concluded in his reads list. Just looks like posturing to me. His Jock Reads His stance on Jock: BC asks me for my stance on Jock's post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 06:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: HF. Ignoring Rayns case on Jock. What do you think of Not knowing why he asked it I answered it and he didn't really provide anything from it. That was until he posted this shortly after: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 06:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Rayn, take a step back and take a chill pill. Regardless of what else Jock has posted in thread, his most damning post is the one I quoted. Again, I want at least VE or Bugs, preferably both and a few others to talk on it and I will say why. However at this point, Ruxxar and Calix are the 2 scummiest people in thread. I mean I would actually kill Ruxxar over Calix at this point but we also have 48 hours or some nonsense left to get information on people. He says this is Jock's most damning post (scummy post he implies) but if you read the contents of Jock's post it's exactly what BC was talking about in the start of his opening post! People voting for Rayn after his claim are in the clear. But they aren't when BC mentions them. Can you predict what happens next? It may surprise you! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He never explains why this Jock post is damning, never elaborates on it, doesn't follow up with Rayn on Jock at all. It's clearly not very damning in the slightest because Jock doesn't even appear in the fucking scum reads after: fml Maybe he's hiding something? Disformation rightly calls him out on it: All the meanwhile he is dangling this Jock read like it's the best thing since sliced bread that people need to comment on BUT he's downgrading Rayn all the while even though Rayn's only real points and bull headedness are directed to Jock. More dangling: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are a good enough player to change what I am seeing if I out it atm. This is purely for my own read of your meta. If it makes you feel better if I need to bring it up it will be done in a very similar manner to which I did (although wrongly) to HF last game. So you will be able to very clearly see my thought process. I wont bring it up now purely because I don't think you are someone who should even be up to be lynched today and until you post shit that changes my mind on that I dont want to waste more time cluttering the thread when there are better options IMO More waiting: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Come on bugs. Answer what I asked youuuuu + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: gonna post these now as I feel current trend has gone away from them. So lets talk about it! Also, Bugs and VE Repeats the same Jock dangling like for an entire page of filter on page 2. Meanwhile, repeat quotes Ruxxar and Calix's opening posts but says no conclusions, just "let's talk about it". Always trying to get people to talk about things and never reaching real conclusions. + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Didn't see this before i made my last post so dont need to repeat yourself. + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You reason for Jock and Mine are completely different. I have a scum lean but not strong enough that Im happy with. Bugs has given me currently the best answer to jock if that helps you understand my thought process at all. but Bugs' post was a town read of Jock????? Then he fucking vanishes ALONG WITH HIS JOCK READ. Like what the actual fuck. He's dangled this read, returns to the thread when Bugs is saying we should lynch ruxxar telling bugs he's not going to sheep because he independently has said ruxxar is scummy (but all he's actually done is quote ONE RUXXAR POST ALL GAME) saying that it's scummy even though it AGREES with his conclusion on Calix. BUT WAIT: AFTER 2 PAGES OF DANGLING THE JOCK READ IT TURNS OUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING BUGS SAID REALLY AND IT'S LITERALLY JUST "HE'S DONE NOTHING OUTSIDE OF RAYN READ". Like wtf, he's a good cop check, that's it? 2 pages of filter getting a read on jock and it's, oh he's not done much hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Don't even get me started on this DISFORMATION scum read. What's it based off of? The post he quoted earlier that I even rebutted saying it actually made disfo town? Is that it? It's unexplained completely, no backing up, no evidence, nothing. Jock is even just a fucking null read it turns out: ........... He gives a pass to artanis and igrok because he knows their names or whatever but then Artanis scum reads him for (awful) meta and BC following thread sentiment but BC doesn't even accuse him of the meta being bad he just wants credit for being the first person to scum read them (all he did was quote a first post and put them in a list...) and that's his huge gripe with artanis that he puts him as mafia: + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight. In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could. Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing. So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me. Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up. So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list. I'm fine with this. Just thought it's relevant to build the narrative. He says he feels his town circle is off too but doesn't elaborate how, nor do we ever find out because as far as I'm aware he still town reads everyone he's listed. Here he deflects a ruxxar point about why he got so defensive with Artanis entirely on its head and makes it about him and Calix?????????????? Dodge much. + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: TBH your tone currently sounds super diff than last game VE. Also your auto swap aggro to HF is the shit he is referring to. Scum reads Ruxxar for first post still even though it called his scum read (calix) mafia and for pretty much the same reasons too! No idea what the second read means and 3 and 4 don't really make anyone mafia but I can believe that someone would think that. What I don't understand is why he defends igrok/calix/other people here when he scum reads calix quite a lot, has defended igrok and whatever else? What's wrong with talking about other people? Why doesn't he mention anyone specific that this is bad for? He spent 2 pages getting people to comment on his Jock null read/scum lean so why doesn't he actually do the same when he has mafia points on Ruxxar? Inconsistent thought process to early entirely. He goes afk and returns with + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This thread is such a clusterfuck. Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar. I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours? Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten? This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus. and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong. His read list... still has disformation in it... for what I can only imagine was that ONE post he quoted at the START of the game like 10 years ago that doesn't mean anything. Calix is literally associative and nothing has changed on her from his perspective and even says they both could still be mafia? So disformation's ONE post outweighs the entirety of his calix dislike? I don't believe it. Artanis is thrown in there for one post effectively also. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S WORST THING THOUGH: THIS ISN'T TRUE. BUGS DID NOT EXPLAIN BC'S JOCK READ BECAUSE BC'S JOCK READ WAS A SCUM LEAN FOR A LONG TIME. It only became "null" later after Jock's argument with rayn/myself. Disformation is playing well because he calls out BC for it and he doubles down that his read was null! Some question to disfo or whatever and upgrades Calix to a town read after some pages, wants to dive VE but doesn't want to read filter. Disfo hammers down on BC. +++++++ points for disfo, really good player + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 20:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You do realize that after the post I just quoted of mine I basically didnt talk about Jock for ages? Why do you care about my Jock read progression. I literally in my filter said I wasn't 100% on him and it was a lean. Why the hell do you care more about my reasons for someone leaning scum as opposed to someone I think is scum? You are reading the thread, you have been here more or less active the entire game day and have offered nothing of substance. Help us solve the game, or if you just insist on tunneling people who point in your direction get ready to likely get vigi'd or lynched. Other D1 Read Progressions He goes after conversion who can't name 3 mafia reads as if that makes someone mafia even though he's expressed this game is hard and his mafia reads if you follow his list are up in the air too! Says jock should listen to hf and bugs and vote VE. doubles down on ve maybe being mafia strike 2 on saying he needs to read VE's filter and not doing it but actually voting him - no reasons for voting him either and STILL HAS THE 3 SAME SCUM READS TOO so what the fuck is VE being voted for exactly? This artanis rebuttal I don't actually hate: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2019 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well. At least someone I think is mafia finally hard stanced me. However Artanis the issue with your entire case is its completely made up. Lets look at your first point. My first post was appearing into the thread. I gave a justifiable reason to stop the stupidity of the first bit of the game day based on how I see things. You can disagree all you want, but attempting to stop a slug fest that benefits no one in thread is not a bad thing. Second. I provide a scum read, and gave you a solid reason for it. Again regardless of if you agree with it, my thoughts were there. Third, I give a reason as to why I disagree with VE. Which is normal given our way of interacting with eachother in thread. Then I have a follow up question to get reads on people Now lets move to your third point as its the most damning of well you. You chose to meta read me. More importantly, give that you were the host last game, you should know my meta perfectly well. IE you should have it on lock almost as well as VE, HF, Bugs, etc... Why? because you hosted a game I was in and clearly can see my meta from there. Instead you cherry pick 3 posts. Now the first one isnt even me being aggressive. I will give you a post for comparison from my mafia meta in end of the world + Show Spoiler + On March 04 2019 06:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is this post. I honestly for most of this time thought you were just a bad townie but like the fuck is this shit? You don't want to kill the policy lynch in a few hours because the guy claims to have read his pm then aside from one post has done dick fuck all. You then say you want Palmar as mayor over HF because you trust Palmar over HF to find mafia. Why? What reason do you have that Palmar will do a better job. Also to iterate what other people have said. HF wants to lynch Oats just like you do..... for fuck sakes dude. In regards to the other 2 posts you use? Shit on the thread? Didn't provide alternatives. Disinformation, Ruxxar, Calix, You. All people Ive mentioned as alternatives. Now before you Go screaming thread sentiment. Or (as this leads into your next point of my scum reads only being people who scum read me) I bring up, Disinformation, and Ruxxar before either of them begins scumreading me. I will give you that my read on you is almost in direct relation to you posting at myself. Why? Because you are actively trying to fabricate shit that doesn't exist. You have actively chosen to ignore large parts of my filter to create a nice story to accuse me with. Also trying to throw shade on me for not trying to get my preferred lynch killed when literally no one aside from bugs was even willing to vote that way? Again, scummy as hell dude. So fuck it. People want to kill me, go for it. However the trade of me for artanis is a good one. Ill gladly go 1 for 1 with you buddy. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2019 05:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Has the pull? Maybe? We have like what? less than 7 hours before the deadline and I leave for work in about an hour. Between now and then i'm not around. Even if you doubt his level of pull, he got an auto sheep vote already, and other people actively talking about swinging that way. Given that I think Artanis is showing his mafia hand why wouldnt I at least push back? Dude. The guy clearly cherry picked my filter / created a false scenario of events on how I am playing. No idea where Koshi appeared in this list. Either way, still same 3 scum reads as before. His vote wasn't on ruxxar because he voted Artanis... on his own but was afk so it's whatever. Maybe even +++ points because he was one of the leading wagons and didn't vote to save himself at that point in any way despite knowing he had to go afk. Post-D1 Flip/N1 Reads + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death. As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so. No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm. Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet. Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this. Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting. As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am. That leaves everyone else. There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure. the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now. I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside. Sorrow at Ruxxar's flip, summary disagreeing with Bugs on VE. Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi look decent and should be protected. Still on Artanis. rest are in between Calix (his upgraded to town read read (inconsistent!), Igrok (he defends him repeatedly), Conversion (he town read him???????) and disformation (still seemingly on one post......). These look very incongruent with everything he's said before the flip so I'm not really sure how he gets this list in the slightest! PoE? Needs to reread Calix and iGrok as tunelling 3 scum reads let them slip by (but he town read calix?). + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him. Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to. That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. Defends VE some more, wants to policy shoot bugs for claiming mafia. Koshi dislike. Afk's rest of night - not really any new info this whole night and bit of an inconsistent who to scum read post. Overall not awful but nothing special. Just existing. D2 Reads + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 19:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well, be it vet or Jailer, good work last night. It almost makes up for our screw up D1. Now let us learn from our mistakes and get this lynch right. TBH Based on yesterdays escapades the current people to start the day looking at to lynch. Myself Calix Igrok Artanis Possibly add in Disinformation/Conversation. However as much as I know I am town, there is enough suspicion that we need to sort me out as well as the other 3. We have all been accused / still being accused of being mafia so as much as you all have your other reads. (please do share them clearly) Consolidation on a lynch priority barring some new pressing information everyone should be weighing in on this group. If nothing else it forces everyone to hard stance enough and prevents people from waffling or "appearing" and not actually providing substance. I think we can all agree on this? I hope so at least. I have posted my reasons already on Artanis. Even with everything that has happened and taking a step back I can still see him bleeding red. Callix I could see flipping red, however I havent been able to keep a stable read on her all game. I saw her as red based purely on her opening post. There are other posts that reinforce that decision but at the same time there are a ton that I see being made specifically from the mindset from someone who is town. Given that my biggest reason for ever seeing her as scum was basically the same reason I saw ruxxar as scum I would say she is a lower priority to kill than the me/igrok/artanis group. Igrok. I really haven't spent much time on him. Going to go do that now, but I will honestly say based on everything I can currently remember from day 1. The worst thing he did was the weird association between HF/Ruxxar/Calix? List of Calix/Himself??/iGrok/Artanis Possibly add disformation/conversion N1 reads: Artanis/Calix/igrok/disformation/conversion Then he votes Artanis, defends iGrok again. I really don't understand the read because it doesn't look like that at all, static Calix/HF is mafia read not being updated all game. But then he links to posts which make him feel that way and it feels internally consistent for BC to make this read, so no hate for it. Gets into some argument with Calix which I don't hate, seems irrelevant though and about game styles. Backs up his Artanis post. Asks disfo why he town reads artanis for case on bc which is consistent with BC hating it (obviously). Asked who if not artanis to vote for then said Calix but not 100%, may just dislike her style. Says iGrok probably town. Links meta to Artanis saying that he's totally different and that Artanis was even an observer in the game. Says he wouldn't shoot Koshi. At this point I'm really bored. If you're reading this part please post a "hello hf" in the thread so I know you're actually reading and you can get a free town read! Doesn't dislike iGrok case. Explains thread hostility with working together. + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2019 20:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: 1. To BC: do you agree with the case on iGrok? I see some merit in it, but I also feel like its somewhat fabricated. Everything of Igrok I see comes off as townish for the most part. My biggest issue is that Koshi is hard town reading him. 2. To both of you: can you again provide a list of all your reads? Town BC Bugs VE(i know right) Null to lean town HF Rayn Igrok Jock Null to Lean Mafia Koshi Conversion Mafia Artanis Calix Disinformation I Not inconsistent. Starts to dislike disformation for being himself. TL;DR D1 - really inconsistent Jock reads inconsistent - lies? Ever since Artanis read to latch onto internally consistent logic and reads, not awful looking Don't hate his iGrok defences retrospectively because they appear to point out not awful things - looked bad at time in context of thread to me Post D1 flip has done not much but shows thinking about the game, calm cool and collected, trying to get info on people and disformation. Seems to just be responding rather than digging sometimes but lack of presence can do that. Conclusion: fucking wasted my time writing this wall and he's probably town Feel free to make your own conclusions on his jock stances and first part of d1 reads meta consistent with town game too probably this post while having a lot of content is actually really trash now that I've properly read it No idea how HF comes to a town read on BC after posting most of this stuff. | ||
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On May 26 2019 14:22 Koshi wrote: Artanis is likely with hf calling him out playing heroes 😁. Calix is like 95% HF d3 Artanis d4 Calix 95% d5 Gl hf (Really last post) I don't think this is right because only Calix being on this team has reason for shooting you. And it makes her look really awful if you die and not rayn. I think it's far more likely that if Calix is on the scumteam, it's VE/Calix/BC. I think VE/Calix/HF doesn't really sound plausible here. In general though I think the shot on you is intended to implicate Calix more than give her breathing room because she was doing fine defending herself, so I find it less likely that Calix is on the team. I'd go with VE/BC/HF first. Then possibly VE/BC/Calix second choice. VE and BC are almost certainly scum together here. That pairing makes a lot of things make sense. | ||
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I am 95% sure on VE/BC/HF here. | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Rofl bugs. If you are actually town you reads and play have been so off. I super hope you are mafia and this is all a mafia trick to make a mafia vig come off as town. Like I want to die but your read in me is terribly wrong. Artanis Disinformation Calix Maybe HF. *shrugs* Again hope I eat the bullet You listed 3 townies and then a maybe scum. Cool. Literally no one has those first 3 together as scum except you. | ||
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Like what is even VE's scum list at this point? Does he even fucking have one? Oh wait, I guess he posted this: On May 26 2019 12:06 VisceraEyes wrote: ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/pb8wayp1KafJK/giphy.gif) Jailers act into HF myself rayn Koshi Vigs act into Calix Artanis BC Bugs ROFL the fact that he doesn't consider me 100% confirmed town here is scummy as fuck. There is no way he is town. And he's pointing jailers at himself and HF. Holy shit | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: And you've been wrong on ruxxar (so was i) You were wrong on igrok You are wrong about me. So given I don't trust your reads based on that perhaps mine are more realistic. I was not wrong on iGrok, I thought he was going to flip jailkeeper for like 80% of yesterday. I at least got the alignment right. I mended my reads with HF because I thought we needed to cooperate more. He didn't listen to me. | ||
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Jock iGrok and his reads on both of you and VE are trash, and multiple players now are scumming him as they've figured out he's not town here. Jock finds him scummy, I find him scummy now, rayn finds him scummy, Koshi finds him scummy, Calix finds it weird that he mostly posts scummy shit about you but concludes you're town, iGrok found him scummy, ruxxar found him scummy HF is scum bro. And if you can't see that, then you're probably scum with him. | ||
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Ah right, I forgot you're not reading anything when I tried to off VE all day yesterday. There was no moving anyone's votes off iGrok there. rayn and Koshi have been doing their own thing all game, and the rest of us tried to keep Artanis alive because we have real reasons for reading him town. Your reads are in the weeds and they have been all game long. | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Being mad is a one of my mafia things sure. But the thread being borderline unreadable is true. Hell I'm pretty sure bugs played in the game I hardcore raged on toadestern for spam shit. I play mafia to have fun. I wasn't and really aren't having fun and as much as I have tried to change that the same atmosphere returns. People kill.me go for it. I'll play the let's see how right I am game I'm 100% with you here but I don't believe you've done anything to fix the problems. You got basic facts wrong and took a diplomatic stance between VE and me when it should be fairly obvious which one of us is town. And I'm confirmed town now and VE is not calling me town, and he's calling HF town over me. That's actually pretty bad no matter how you put it. | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I posted my scum list with Hf on it and you're mad? Or was that to ve HF is the FOURTH person on your list. He should be #1 or #2. | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My read on igrok was correct while you all yelled at me bro. Sure there's a chance I'm wrong on Artanis. I'll agree to that fully. However you just said you offed someone you thought was town. Like =/ Do you not understand my frustration? Even if my scum read a are wrong don't you get it? umm nope cause you just got basic thread events wrong and you did not lift a finger to help me save iGrok. You could've tried convincing me to move my vote or why Artanis was scum there over iGrok but you didn't do that | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:21 Jockmcplop wrote: I do think he's scum. Absolutely. Kill him with fire. BUT Isn't it just so fucking tl.net mafia to follow hf into a mislynch on day 2 and then end up killing town hf for it on N2/D3? That just kinda seems like the sorta thing we would do as town. Still... Kill him to death. nah his defense of both BC and VE is just unacceptable He lists like 50 things in that giant post that are on the whole scummy and then concludes town BC. It just comes out of nowhere BC was also raging at koshi being shot and I 100% believe he'd be mad here that his team could've gotten away with so much more if koshi died on n1 rather than reaching this situation where we now have essentially 4-5 confirmed townies | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:24 Jockmcplop wrote: WBG you didn't try to save iGrock though. You were telling people to vote for him until no-one was left in the thread. Don't pull that shit. I did try to save him, just no one wanted to vote VE. I wanted to vote VE and no one else yesterday but HF strong-armed us into iGrok and it was an objectively good case. iGrok fucked off and did nothing the last two hours when I was pleading with him to just read what I wrote on VE and Artanis. Like there was 0 chance I would kill Artanis over iGrok, and if I saved iGrok by killing Artanis it would look way worse as iGrok is 100x the lynchbait that Artanis is | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:25 Jockmcplop wrote: ONE GUY TRIED TO SAVE iGROCK DIDN'T HE BUT NO-ONE WAS UP FOR IT INCLUDING YOU?! look if it's 6 votes on iGrok and 5 votes on Artanis and I believe Artanis is townier than iGrok Why would I waste my vote there? Literally no one was engaging me on VE. I suppose I could've used my confirmed towniness more but I was getting buried in the thread and I didn't want to make the atmosphere even worse. Also given that I controlled the lynch on day 1 I also didn't want to just piss everyone off and go ham when we had a fair amount of agreement that iGrok looked really bad. I tried all day to convince HF and it was just going nowhere. | ||
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I see some merit in it, but I also feel like its somewhat fabricated. Everything of Igrok I see comes off as townish for the most part. My biggest issue is that Koshi is hard town reading him. 2. To both of you: can you again provide a list of all your reads? Town BC Bugs VE(i know right) Null to lean town HF Rayn Igrok Jock Null to Lean Mafia Koshi Conversion Mafia Artanis Calix Disinformation [quote] why the hell does he nullread Jock, conversion, Koshi, rayn, AND HF? Like this is possibly the whackiest list any player has made in the entire game | ||
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1. To BC: do you agree with the case on iGrok? I see some merit in it, but I also feel like its somewhat fabricated. Everything of Igrok I see comes off as townish for the most part. My biggest issue is that Koshi is hard town reading him. 2. To both of you: can you again provide a list of all your reads? Town BC Bugs VE(i know right) Null to lean town HF Rayn Igrok Jock Null to Lean Mafia Koshi Conversion Mafia Artanis Calix Disinformation why the hell does he nullread Jock, conversion, Koshi, rayn, AND HF? Like this is possibly the whackiest list any player has made in the entire game. On May 26 2019 15:35 Jockmcplop wrote: We kill hf as fast as possible. You gave a gun to a townie? Will they kill hf? I'd like you explain as if to a child how you koshi's claim is good since iGrock died. I'm not following the PoE. Its like the most important thing I don't know how to do.. PoE stuff. My brain can't figure out how you lot are all figuring it out. 1. Yes, I'm 99.99% certain a townie has my gun. 2. Unless a jailer comes forward, Koshi is a confirmed veteran because there was no death on n1. 3. Fairly certain anyone except BC and VE would kill HF at this point, and the person I gave my gun to is no different I think. Not sure anyone would shoot VE besides me though so just putting it out there that he is my #1 choice for a shot. And he just asked for jailers to be aimed at himself, HF, rayn, and koshi, ignoring the fact that I'm also confirmed town here (in fact he aimed vigis at me???) 4. The POE logic is fairly simple. HF didn't listen to any good arguments about why iGrok was town and strongarmed us into the lynch. I thought iGrok had a strong chance of flipping jailer, which is why I initially scummed both rayn and koshi, but when iGrok did not flip jailer I knew it was much less likely there is one. If a jailer ever comes forward, we kill Koshi, but at this point I'm 99.99% sure there is no jailer. Since none of the blue claims have been counterclaimed, all 3 of myself, Koshi, and rayn are confirmed town. From there, I am sure on nothing else this game except that VE is scum. His scum list proves it. He's scum with BC, who lists Artanis, Calix, and disfo as the scumteam with a maybe? on HF. VE himself lists me (??????) BC Calix artanis, and who the fuck knows what HF is going to dump in the thread. VE and BC are literally the only two players left that hard read HF as town. They also all hard read each other as town, though VE is distancing himself from BC now, and there is no reason for any of them to have those reads on each other. Their reads put together make the least sense in the game. Like I don't think anyone else except BC includes disfo, Calix, and Artanis together as top 3 candidates for being scum. However assuming one of them is wrong, the next likeliest candidate is probably Calix, because she would have had a strong motivation to kill Koshi on n1. | ||
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