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If there are any last minute shenanigans attempts to move to any player other than VE, and if rayn, koshi, and VE are instigators, it’s the wrong play. iGrok or VE only, don’t move your vote before getting agreement of all of your townreads. Since I am not here to give my agreement, I expect no one who townreads me to move their vote. This is a POE situation and we can’t do anything other than: Kill iGrok/VE, re-evaluate Kill the other, reevaluate Use POE to find the last 1-2 scum. GG | ||
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On May 26 2019 08:06 iGrok wrote: because fuck it, man. I did what I could but HF has town wrapped around his finger. When I flip, shoot HF. Nothing personal it’s POE, I don’t even think your play was lynch worthy besides your activity and you were flying a lot I guess? I feel that. I feel the effort you put in, everyone did. However you just look objectively really bad in the context of the rest of the game and without flipping you we cannot solve the game IMO. Especially not without a very coordinated effort to move to VE that doesn’t get sabotaged by scum here (like I never want to lynch Artanis or BC in this game and they may seem like lynchbait like you are depending on someone’s personal lens). And HF is almost certainly not scum here unless both rayn and Koshi are real claims + HF somehow managed to keep consistent townreads with me when he wasn’t even sure on what I was doing or why I was calling the 3 stooges scum all game. If he were scum he’d have landed on a different POE list than me by now and I don’t think that’s the case. | ||
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On May 26 2019 08:11 Conversion wrote: well Koshi didn’t listen to me before going to bed and Igenuinely think we have scum in Artanis. I’m going out for dinner now— won’t be back most likely. but most of my townreads somehow think grok needs to flipped I’m going to get dinner and scan the thread before EoD. We are begging him to reread on HF and telling him why he needs to be flipped but he’s just not doing anything. HF Is really not scum here. If he refuses to do anything but OMGUS then we aren’t going to get anything new out of him and flipping him is the best bet we’ve got for ensuring he doesn’t end up on the lynch conversation again when he’ll be less likely to die later. It’s really rare for a person who gets saved twice to die a third time, and it will eat up discussion unless we are very disciplined and hit VE and VE only here. Artanis is not scum, I can almost guarantee you that. Since there are town reads on both sides of flipping Artanis/iGrok and there is resistance to switching to VE, killing one of the lynchbait townies is actually better because it forces the coco to become about scum vs town or scum vs scum tomorrow and in that situation I guarantee we lynch correctly. | ||
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So we just need to convince Artanis to vote properly and it’s fine, and in this regard he is doing more to deserve to stay alive than iGrok because iGrok is stubborn and will never vote correctly if he stays on HF. He’s a wasted vote if he’s alive, that has been proven two days in a row. We can’t let him live longer when his vote is antitown | ||
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On May 26 2019 08:19 disformation wrote: i mean i wouldnt mind voting high templar of blehness artanis, but grok is just not giving us ... anything? -.- meh. im going to finish my beer and then go to bed. If you don’t understand that the only power VTs have is their vote, and iGrok is refusing to consider that HF might be town after more than 5 days, you are not understanding this situation properly. Even if iGrok is town his behaviour is antitown and it’s optimal to kill him. He’s not malleable and he’s probably stuck in the wrong position because every townread I have, who is playing the game more than him, does not read HF the same way he does. His read is off-world. | ||
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On May 26 2019 08:28 disformation wrote: well i am not a big fan of off-wagon voters. bad for vca amongst other things. so you might have a point here. but id like to hit scum here and _IF_ grok should be town here, he could have done... something. but we prolly too late now anyways If you townread iGrok but allow him to vote HF that means you are willing to let him live as long as HF is also alive. Mafia need to kill HF in order for iGrok to have a chance of changing his vote. It’s the most antitown town thing to do to refuse to accept that your townreads, who have more time to play the game than you, may actually be right. Also it’s a fucking terrible OMGUS because HF is literally begging him for reasons to consider him town. iGrok needs to move his vote to VE and keep it there and never agree to move it back to HF unless he has at least 3 townreads voting HF because otherwise he’s just not going to cooperate with us. That’s a losing strategy for LYLO as well in the odd case that something like rayn HF iGrok is the end and iGrok kills HF there. Probably never happen but you get the idea. He’s a free scum vote even if he’s not scum, as long as HF Is alive. Then once HF dies I guarantee half my townreads will jump on wanting to kill iGrok because his shit read becomes confirmed even though there is actually no new evidence he’s scum. | ||
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On May 26 2019 08:28 disformation wrote: well i am not a big fan of off-wagon voters. bad for vca amongst other things. so you might have a point here. but id like to hit scum here and _IF_ grok should be town here, he could have done... something. but we prolly too late now anyways Are you voting Artanis or iGrok? PSA: If you’re a townie voting Artanis, move your vote to VE and just watch what happens. If your vote is on iGrok, don’t move it. If you are iGrok, move your vote to VE. | ||
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On May 26 2019 08:45 wherebugsgo wrote: Are you voting Artanis or iGrok? PSA: If you’re a townie voting Artanis, move your vote to VE and just watch what happens. If your vote is on iGrok, don’t move it. If you are iGrok, move your vote to VE. Silent lynch time. I am 100% serious about this, if you’re voting anyone OTHER than iGrok right now, vote VE and just watch what happens. No discussion necessary, if you are town and you townread me just move your vote and watch who gets antsy | ||
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On May 26 2019 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't do it Blue, not only is it pointless but you don't want to. None of us are getting lynched today, none of the people who are mad at us actually think we're mafia except for Bugs. You and Calix and Bugs can't lynch us over like iGrok or Artanis, and unlike rayn and Koshi I'm going to try and consolidate (whether or not I agree with the target) for the sake of putting information in the thread to help EVERYONE, not just me. Prove him wrong please. Again, PSA: If you are voting Artanis, move your vote to VE and watch what happens. | ||
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If you are voting NOT iGrok vote VE instead. If you are voting iGrok, don't move. Don't post unless you are scum, just follow these instructions. | ||
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On May 26 2019 09:09 VisceraEyes wrote:  + Show Spoiler + once there's 3 votes on you my plan is to move Artanis & disfo to you to prove that they are town and cooperating with us, and put you in the lead. This forces rayn and Koshi to either try and save you, or let you die. then you will get hammered by one, two, or all three of myself, Calix, and HF right before deadline You scared buddy? | ||
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On May 26 2019 09:23 iGrok wrote: God you all are the worst move your vote to VE or you're still going to die. You need to put your vote where your townreads tell you today. It's POE on you, VE, rayn, and Koshi. | ||
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On May 26 2019 09:25 iGrok wrote: “Grok, why aren’t you explaining your reads”? I gave you a literally color-coded map of my brain. I don't give a fuck about your reads because you are in disagreement with everyone else on HF and you are being really obstinate. It's actually starting to become indistinguishable for me from scum behaviour. If you townread me, Calix, Jock then you should just trust us on HF, he's not dying here, so don't waste your vote for the second time in 5 days, it tells me you've made no reasonable progress on the game if you are this tunneled, and it also suggests that you will be a liability for town because if HF gets shot by mafia you will become even bigger lynchbait. If you don't want to cooperate then you can die. Artanis is not scum here, I pretty much guarantee that 100%. | ||
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On May 26 2019 09:29 iGrok wrote: People are giving me shit for OMGUS but HF is the one who has been leading the charge, making a case built entirely on “this guy isn’t answering questions that I’m asking him so clearly he’s scum”. HF became self-appointed mayor and you all just sheeped him. The dude is like “you must answer me, I control your fate”, but fuck that, he’s scum. But since he spans more than anyone else he makes it seem like public favor is against me we're giving you the fucking opportunity to reread on HF and he's literally begging you to do something other than attack him. FFS if you are town stop talking about HF, take your head out of your ass and read Artanis and his interactions with me if you want to see why he is also town here. We are NEVER lynching HF here either. So your vote on either player is essentially indistinguishable from scum. Look at it from my perspective. I'm telling you, this is a POE situation where the possible scum are you, VE, rayn, Koshi, where I am nearly 100% sure VE is the most likely scum. If you move to VE and we can get 3-4 votes on him, HF may be able to drop his tunnel on you because we can safely ensure neither Artanis/you get lynched, when half of the townreads are on one player and the other half are on the other, and to me it looks like classic TvT. Also based on that, realize that if mafia don't shoot HF, you are lynchbait because you will OMGUS HF. If mafia shoot HF, you are lynchbait because you have no time to play the game and your only hard scum read up till now has been HF. Ignore HF and find the other two scum that fit your worldview. | ||
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On May 26 2019 09:34 iGrok wrote: I already switched to Artanis, obviously Hf isn’t happening well you aren't fucking reading Artanis either so you can die. I think you have to die and see this in postgame to understand how colossally anti-town you're being here. | ||
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On May 26 2019 09:37 iGrok wrote: No, colossally anti-town is making the game so colossally long that it’s impossible to follow WHO DID THAT THE MOST? Just look at the longest filter length in the game. Might it be....VE?? Jesus this is the only post you'll ever need to read in this game, iGrok. I guarantee you. On May 25 2019 22:24 wherebugsgo wrote: amicably and productively = every single time you poop on their reads and try to make them less confident. The literal lynchpin of the case is you saying you disagree with me on disfo/ruxxar (I townread disfo and scumread ruxxar). Yet, disfo is one of the few players you never voted d1!!!! My consolidation options given to you were disfo, ruxxar, and Calix. You never voted disfo even though you scummed disfo like four times interacting with me. I even called you out on it and you just matrix dodged. Then you voted your townread ruxxar when iGrok was the leading lynch. GTFOH with your complete and utter lack of hard stances this game. The best towntell anyone has for you is that they're not reading your filter because it's 30+ pages. On May 25 2019 22:26 wherebugsgo wrote: because he needs to discredit me first, he knows I will flip town. It's just a series of posts in which he does nothing but discredit me with 0 reasons. He even just spams in bold with no rebuttals whatsoever multiple times just to bury a completely reasonable post I've made. There is no town motivation for him saying that BTW. Literal zero. There is no reason for any townie to out a blue in public. On May 25 2019 22:30 wherebugsgo wrote: which is why you SHOULD call him scum. and in the off-chance he flips town, you kill rayn and Koshi who defended him for 0 reasons whatsoever. On May 25 2019 22:36 wherebugsgo wrote: 1. so you manage to poke holes in everyone else's logic but never offer up your own scumreads, basically ever, why? Well, with the exception of disfo being scum, which you didn't explain, and didn't push even though I gave him as an option to you. 2. Can you point out to me at which point you thought disfo was town and why? 3. A shit list of candidates in which I explicitly townread disfo, but you disagreed with him and didn't vote him. But now it's you disagreed on disfo at the same time I presented them? Which one is it VE? Here's what you said at the moment I was arguing with you about consolidation: On May 25 2019 22:44 wherebugsgo wrote: I feel like I was pretty explicit hard town on disfo at this point. Exact opposite of hard town = hard scum. I mean, these are your own words. I'm not twisting anything here, you just aren't making any sense. Then you actually double down on this: If it was based on stuff in the thread why don't you cite what things made you read disfo to the "exact opposite" as I did? Obligatory "I'm not dodging I swear": If you're being reasonable here this should simultaneously turn you townier on Artanis and scummier on VE. Just read this post for me. | ||
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rayn is probably the last because Koshi’s claim makes more sense than rayn’s and Koshi at least reconsidered Calix. Cool cool. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Jesus flying fuck at this game. If anyone wonders why I have more or less vanished from the game it is seriously the last 25 pages or so of shit, like holy fuck. THIS game is a very clear reason of many issues I had which led me to quit playing Mafia. Like this is a shit show. Anyone at this point has a logical reason to just not want to play, regardless of alignment. Because its the most ridiculous thing in the world to read full of vitrol and hate. Lets pretend for even 1 moment that HF's claim (which he redacted) is real. Why would any of you think that Bugs would ever listen to you guys when he has a gun? As mafia he just shoots who he wants. He would only shoot the other wagon if it was going to kill another townie. Otherwise he shoots a "scum" read or some shit. As town, when he thinks 90% of you are shitters he will just shoot who he wants. Now heres the thing, HE HAS ALREADY CLAIMED PR. He didn't claim what he has, he just claimed he was one. Now, that means if he isn't CCing that he is A) A vig, which can be either of alignment B) he is the jailkeeper who thinks hes the reason KP was blocked last night was him C) Hes a lying mafia asshat who is scared shitless of a confirmed town. NOW, speaking of confirmed town. Say for some flying fuck wild ride that Koshi is legit a Veteran and stopped a shot. Who the fuck would shoot him? Like seriously. No one has even remotely considered who in their right might shoots Koshi. The guy literally has bare bones reasons to his reads, in some case he has no reasons and just posts / parrots other people. He spams the thread, is widely ignored, but is essentially helping mafia. Why do they shoot him? Only someone who actually thought he was threatening that no one else was. You guys can go read that if you want. Why do I say this? Because the "vet" players in this game are 100% more likely to shoot Koshi as vigi's over being mafia. Like the sheer level of dumb in this thread. (Me included, im not saying im not guilty of it). People are being given a free pass for tons of shit. Rayn - acting like a troll day 1, fake claims, gets out of a "lynch" becomes non entity. Conversion - where the fuck is he. He is such a non entity that he more or less appears, says a few things of basically nothing, mimics sentiment or defends himself and vanishes Disinformaion - Literally this games defiinition of a parrot. He has basically 0 thoughts that are his own, spews out other peoples cases to justify his own shit, asks questions, then pisses off with nothing new. In fact he constantly brings up shit the thread has moved past to re clutter it with the same debates. Jock - Where the fuck is he. Outside of day 1, what has he done, where is he, why should I care about him. He is such a non entity with everything going on I barely ever remember hes in this game. VE - You argue and fight everything. You are extremely combative this game and part of the reason I can't tell between you and bugs who should die to clean the thread. I purposely and reading you both as town so I can skim posts now. you both are responsible for half the stuff that makes the thread so terrible. STOP FIGHTING WITH EACHOTHER and spending pages upon pages upon pages burying everything else. HF - You are being productive now but you werent for ages. I had more but you have started to actually well play. Long as you keep it up your general laziness / apathy day 1 can be ignored. Igrok - You don't know why you are up for the lynch? You have been basically for the last 72 hours. It was you or Artanis. Not sure how you can appear and disappear as frequently as you do and not even know where the thread sentiment / votes are. However, this is a case (as much as everyone will call me terrible for it) of why you are likely dumb town and not scum. Artanis and Calix are literally non stop talked about, and so am I. I know my filter is full of shit so feel free to kill me for it. Youd be doing me a favour. Found him BC you need to die for this because it’s probably the worst take I’ve seen you make this entire game. You’ve had some bad takes bro but this takes the cake. I heroically elevated you to a townread because I was hoping you and VE weren’t both scum. But you are, aren’t you? You voted him randomly day 1 and let him point that out to me as if you were agreeing even though you never committed, never explained, and inexplicably took a “both sides suck” stance when literally all of the evidence disagrees with you. You’re the one player in this game who has played with me enough and is smart enough to read my posts and call me a complete shitter when you disagree so hard you feel you need to put “VE (I know right)?” at the top of a completely mediocre list post. If there are no other blues this game you’re a dead mofo | ||
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VE should know how to read Koshi properly, but provided no reasons. This is corroborated by him nailing Koshi last game. Koshi flipping town makes VE look 500x better. It also allows rayn to continue tunneling Calix freely, cause that’s his thing this game and VE was using that to buddy both rayn and Koshi even though he never really explicitly pushed Calix himself. BC essentially did the exact same thing, just in a different manner. He finds both Koshi and rayn’s playing styles repulsive so he can safely speculate on why it’s a complete shitter move to shoot Koshi. However he’s raging because his team got fucked by RNG because he agrees that shooting Koshi is a terrible idea, and he probably wanted to shoot me instead if both he and VE are scumzors. Given that I’m a PR and they probably RBed rayn last night, they at least didn’t completely get fucked by RNG. Win some, you lose some. | ||
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VE is still scum. BC more likely if there are no other blues. rayn more likely if there is a jailer but doubt it at this point. Artanis potentially scum and got a free pass from me in reading. See you all on the day flip. | ||
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