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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2019 11:21 GMT
#3961
On May 25 2019 20:20 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 20:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc...

We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...

Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\

Well clearly you aren't reading our interaction or you wouldn't have posted this.

Anyway thanks for trying to mansplain rayn to me BC <3

ill claim that as revenge for you trying to mansplain how to use ctrl+f in someones filter...
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 20:16 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2019 20:04 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2019 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you will not have my vote becaus Calix and Conversion are mafia and i don't know who the third one is.

Conversion plays really good if he is mafia. Consistent and smart posts.

I think he is like 10% mafia tops though. Very tops.

I dont see it.

think there was a weird interaction conv and calix had. rayn had a good post on it.
was kinda like
calix: conv what is your read on x.
conv: super non commital stuff on x.

and then nothing happens.

think rayn explains it in here:
On May 24 2019 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE:
On May 22 2019 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
here is what conversion did last night:

iGrok has his stupid (sorry man it was stupid) propositional calculus case.
Conv says he has read iGrok's post, and says he will go read HF and Calix
Instead of reading HF and Calix he takes part into "proving" iGrok's "case"
Then he ends up reading ruxxar and votes for him.

On May 22 2019 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not honestly too interested in Artanis atm, Calix and then probably Conversion need to die, then figure out which one of BC/Artanis/iGrok is mafia.

On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote:
I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.

I got it from this post:
On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote:
I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.

Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation?

[...]
On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today.

Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this.

I mean:

Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation?
Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis.

I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix.


On May 23 2019 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
reiteratating:

she asks you for reads
you say basically nothing
everyone lives happily ever after

On May 23 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:
On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.


I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.


I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else:

I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!).

also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game.

In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist

tl;dr

I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you

I tried reading your case on Koshi but i stopped because i felt like it didn't really go anywhere. Can you summarize some key points in it if you want to be listened? It's not like mafia slips in every post of theirs and i dont really understand why you focus so much on his meta when i think his meta this game clearly says he is town.

I also have no idea why you participated that dumb iGrok thing D1. It was dumb and i think you should know that. I also don't know why you scumread VE because regardless of what VE ever wrote or what you wrote on him he is like Conversion just 5 years earlier and i think you should recognize same town!attributes (that i agree are not uselful but most people still do them) you just described you don't want to get into yourself in this game.

On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise.

I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia.

In addition to what i have said about calix is this:
On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.

[...]

I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder.

I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol...

I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town.




I like this summary.

think you had a post where you implied calix asks a lot of questions but doesnt do a lot of conclusiosn/follow ups on that? do you have more examples? from the top of my head the only time that happened was the stuff with conv. thats also why i want to check her filter tbh.

anyways... still need to do groceries. see you guys in like 30

No I dont remember. I pissed her off copying some text though and I stopped.
I had a good night of sleep.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
May 25 2019 11:22 GMT
#3962
Like that goes for ALL the little shit I've posted that seems out of place - explaining to Blue how VCA works, explaining to you how Ctrl-F works, it's all my attempt at paying it forward for when someone somewhere told ME about that shit. Just throwing that out there.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 25 2019 11:23 GMT
#3963
On May 25 2019 19:59 Koshi wrote:
And he will push votes to iGrok withafia help. And that is so sad.


I won't allow it if he's just gonna post one thing and fuck off.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2019 11:23 GMT
#3964
On May 25 2019 20:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because he's right, as far as Calix is concerned everyone lives happily ever after, but not Conv and that's another part of why I want rayn to engage with me. He seems certain about Conversion and Conversion actually followed through with the stuff he's pointing out there - the filtering of BC/Art/VE he talks about with Calix there he actually goes through with and makes conclusions based on what he saw. But it's like none of that matters to rayn and I want to know why.


But this isn't true. He never followed up like a townie should if he believes or is going to do what he originally wrote. He only followed up after the lynch when it doesnt matter anymore, during the time he was deciding who to lynch he gave zero shits and just voted for ruxxar despite even saying he is gonna do something else and look into all the places.
table for two on a tv tray
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 25 2019 11:24 GMT
#3965
1. To BC: do you agree with the case on iGrok?

I see some merit in it, but I also feel like its somewhat fabricated. Everything of Igrok I see comes off as townish for the most part. My biggest issue is that Koshi is hard town reading him.


2. To both of you: can you again provide a list of all your reads?

Town
BC
Bugs
VE(i know right)

Null to lean town
HF
Rayn
Igrok
Jock

Null to Lean Mafia
Koshi
Conversion

Mafia
Artanis
Calix
Disinformation
I
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
May 25 2019 11:24 GMT
#3966
On May 25 2019 20:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 20:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because he's right, as far as Calix is concerned everyone lives happily ever after, but not Conv and that's another part of why I want rayn to engage with me. He seems certain about Conversion and Conversion actually followed through with the stuff he's pointing out there - the filtering of BC/Art/VE he talks about with Calix there he actually goes through with and makes conclusions based on what he saw. But it's like none of that matters to rayn and I want to know why.


But this isn't true. He never followed up like a townie should if he believes or is going to do what he originally wrote. He only followed up after the lynch when it doesnt matter anymore, during the time he was deciding who to lynch he gave zero shits and just voted for ruxxar despite even saying he is gonna do something else and look into all the places.

Ya okay I concede he DID wait until the night phase to do anything, that's real.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 25 2019 11:25 GMT
#3967
As for the recollection of interactions, I honestly would have to go back and read time stamps. I honestly can't remember much in regards to rayn other than the shit early day 1 which I tried to stop, and I actively skim Koshi's posts because of how annoying he is to read, which is well, shitty.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 25 2019 11:27 GMT
#3968
On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc...

We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...


Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\


I've literally asked iGrok questions and he just ignores me repeatedly. What am I supposed to do?

I don't think I've been too stubborn to interact, I'm well open to iGrok being town and voting off the afk shitters like Artanis etc but just stone walled repeatedly and it's like pulling teeth to get anyone that's not ve/disfo or eventually bugs to interact with anything.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 25 2019 11:28 GMT
#3969
On May 25 2019 20:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 20:20 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 20:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc...

We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...

Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\

Well clearly you aren't reading our interaction or you wouldn't have posted this.

Anyway thanks for trying to mansplain rayn to me BC <3

ill claim that as revenge for you trying to mansplain how to use ctrl+f in someones filter...
On May 25 2019 20:16 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2019 20:04 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2019 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you will not have my vote becaus Calix and Conversion are mafia and i don't know who the third one is.

Conversion plays really good if he is mafia. Consistent and smart posts.

I think he is like 10% mafia tops though. Very tops.

I dont see it.

think there was a weird interaction conv and calix had. rayn had a good post on it.
was kinda like
calix: conv what is your read on x.
conv: super non commital stuff on x.

and then nothing happens.

think rayn explains it in here:
On May 24 2019 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE:
On May 22 2019 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
here is what conversion did last night:

iGrok has his stupid (sorry man it was stupid) propositional calculus case.
Conv says he has read iGrok's post, and says he will go read HF and Calix
Instead of reading HF and Calix he takes part into "proving" iGrok's "case"
Then he ends up reading ruxxar and votes for him.

On May 22 2019 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not honestly too interested in Artanis atm, Calix and then probably Conversion need to die, then figure out which one of BC/Artanis/iGrok is mafia.

On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote:
I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.

I got it from this post:
On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote:
I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.

Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation?

[...]
On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today.

Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this.

I mean:

Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation?
Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis.

I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix.


On May 23 2019 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
reiteratating:

she asks you for reads
you say basically nothing
everyone lives happily ever after

On May 23 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:
On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.


I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.


I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else:

I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!).

also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game.

In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist

tl;dr

I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you

I tried reading your case on Koshi but i stopped because i felt like it didn't really go anywhere. Can you summarize some key points in it if you want to be listened? It's not like mafia slips in every post of theirs and i dont really understand why you focus so much on his meta when i think his meta this game clearly says he is town.

I also have no idea why you participated that dumb iGrok thing D1. It was dumb and i think you should know that. I also don't know why you scumread VE because regardless of what VE ever wrote or what you wrote on him he is like Conversion just 5 years earlier and i think you should recognize same town!attributes (that i agree are not uselful but most people still do them) you just described you don't want to get into yourself in this game.

On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise.

I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia.

In addition to what i have said about calix is this:
On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.

[...]

I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder.

I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol...

I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town.




I like this summary.

think you had a post where you implied calix asks a lot of questions but doesnt do a lot of conclusiosn/follow ups on that? do you have more examples? from the top of my head the only time that happened was the stuff with conv. thats also why i want to check her filter tbh.

anyways... still need to do groceries. see you guys in like 30

Bro you have NO IDEA how much I wished someone had told me these things when I started here.

But whatever.


On May 25 2019 20:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like that goes for ALL the little shit I've posted that seems out of place - explaining to Blue how VCA works, explaining to you how Ctrl-F works, it's all my attempt at paying it forward for when someone somewhere told ME about that shit. Just throwing that out there.

is cool. just giving you a bit of crap.
not like i was really annoyed.
was more like "d00d, really?".
think weve even played together in a game in like 2016.
can only remember that you were scum and the town tracker got you.
On May 25 2019 20:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 19:37 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 19:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2019 19:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2019 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mhm then why is everyone voting not Calix?

Because you don't care enough to try and get people to vote Calix obviously. Instead everyone lynching iGrok because HF has a big huge case on him.

I've made my case already. Still dont think iGrko is mafia and HF case is not as strong as claims. Dfinitely not timeline case strong.

i think that was a trap attempt by hf, cause hf cropped the image in a way that not all lines were shown.


I didn't crop it, that was literally the image igrok posted.

ah. yeah. think ive misunderstood one of your posts then.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 25 2019 11:30 GMT
#3970
also honestly had an idea how the grok stuff on ve would have made sense from a town pov.
and then hes like "oh there is hidden stuff im not allowed to talk about" ...
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 25 2019 11:31 GMT
#3971
It's WORSE with the hidden stuff because that HIDDEN stuff existed on d1 WHEN VE WAS COLOURED RED. He said the hidden stuff was +2 town points.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 25 2019 11:32 GMT
#3972
yeah obv its way worse
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 25 2019 11:33 GMT
#3973
like whoever in bc/calix/art/grok is town, is not making it easier for us to read them/solve the game tbh.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 25 2019 11:34 GMT
#3974
right. grocieries. stop posting for a minute so i actually make it out of the house
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
May 25 2019 11:35 GMT
#3975
On May 25 2019 20:34 disformation wrote:
right. grocieries. stop posting for a minute so i actually make it out of the house

OMG HE'S DITCHING THE THREAD SO MAFIA
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 25 2019 11:36 GMT
#3976
oh right i have to say that i am disappearing but you are not allowed to scum read me for that.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
May 25 2019 11:36 GMT
#3977
On May 25 2019 20:36 disformation wrote:
oh right i have to say that i am disappearing but you are not allowed to scum read me for that.

Don't tell Bugs dude. He said that's NAI but his FILTER would indicate otherwise!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 25 2019 11:47 GMT
#3978
Hi friends, I'll be here for a few hours. Catching up now.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2019 11:52 GMT
#3979
On May 25 2019 20:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hi friends, I'll be here for a few hours. Catching up now.

200 pages lead up to this moment.
I had a good night of sleep.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 25 2019 11:55 GMT
#3980
On May 24 2019 21:10 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise.

I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia.

In addition to what i have said about calix is this:
On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.

[...]

I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder.

I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol...

I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town.



I tried killing you yesterday. It did nothing. Even if I make a case on you, people will say 'oh but his PC claim' or 'but his meta' and you will not die. I do not waste precious time on making a case on someone nobody wants dead. Especially when I could lynch my other scum-read instead.

Anyway.

I'm not sure how likely it is that iGrok and Artanis are both scum. If they were working together, I think they'd be trying to lynch me instead of...whatever the fuck it is they're doing.

Artanis seemed pretty happy to have no scum-reads for ages until he sheeped HF's big post on iGrok [which was the vote that put iGrok in the lead btw].

Meanwhile iGrok seems like he wants HF gone. [I say that but his response to HF did not read like he thought HF was mafia at all]

Anyway I don't have much else to add. A lot of the recent pages could be cut out and it would not have changed my reads at all. I still think iGrok is WAY scummier than Artanis. The most feasible town motive people [I think BC?] came up with was that he makes notes and puts in effort but a lot of people have been doing that so I don't think that's really AI.

I'm not sure on the third mafia. Probably in Artanis/ Koshi/ BC. Artanis is mafia if he doesn't step it up but I have enough doubt about him to not want him dead. Koshi is self-explanatory with his filter. BC's main selling point for him being town is the meta thing. I personally think he looks mafia but I could be misreading him because of our different playstyles so am willing to give him a chance.

What? I was asleep/busy after not scumreading BC/WBG anymore, and you by proxy as the way you went about BC being a large part of my read on you. As soon as I came back to the thread I started reading his case and ended up scumreading him. Is this your main qualm on me? What was your read on me based on before yesterday?
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