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I do like that point and it's one of the reasons I'd like rayn to engage with me on the meta portion of it.
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right. think ill try to get chores out of the way and then continue where i left off regarding calix
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On May 25 2019 20:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2019 19:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rayn can I ask you why you're so unwilling to compromise in games? Like I get it, you like to be right and the only way to be proven right is to lynch your targets or whatever but like....if you can WIN the game and be right too, why not do that instead? This nonsense about being unwilling to help OTHERS in the game see what you see hurts towns man. I have used endless amount of effort in convincing other people and compromising in games and all i have gotten from it is being called tunneled, stupid and other names -- except for from some specific people. It's not worth my time. I am here just to tell what i think, i don't care who gets lynched or if people believe me or not. I just vote for who i think is mafia. But like...it seems like a lot of the people who don't do that are here in this game and want to work with you right? Me, Artanis, it seems like you and HF could work together if you tried...BC not beyond reason. Like I think you're tunneled on Calix sure, but I'm not berating you for it or anything, I just want to understand man. And you're not helping me to understand.
Err. Not going to lie but like, half the people in this game seem unwilling to truly compromise (me included id say). People are near refusing to try and read other players as anything but they seem. Like. For instance, nothing that has happened this game day makes me change my read on bugs. In fact I understand exactly why he raged at koshis claim.
When you have more or less all the vets on complete opposite spectrums in terms of our reads its almost for sure that
1) we are all bad
2) at least 1 - 2 of us are mafia
3) both of the above
Also, some of the people that have berated Rayn in the past (at least in either obs qts, games, etc..) are actually in this game. Not sure why he would want to work together. Fuck with how toxic this thread is, I can easily understand just playing to prove ones own competence regardless of the outcome.
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Because he's right, as far as Calix is concerned everyone lives happily ever after, but not Conv and that's another part of why I want rayn to engage with me. He seems certain about Conversion and Conversion actually followed through with the stuff he's pointing out there - the filtering of BC/Art/VE he talks about with Calix there he actually goes through with and makes conclusions based on what he saw. But it's like none of that matters to rayn and I want to know why.
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On May 25 2019 20:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 20:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2019 19:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rayn can I ask you why you're so unwilling to compromise in games? Like I get it, you like to be right and the only way to be proven right is to lynch your targets or whatever but like....if you can WIN the game and be right too, why not do that instead? This nonsense about being unwilling to help OTHERS in the game see what you see hurts towns man. I have used endless amount of effort in convincing other people and compromising in games and all i have gotten from it is being called tunneled, stupid and other names -- except for from some specific people. It's not worth my time. I am here just to tell what i think, i don't care who gets lynched or if people believe me or not. I just vote for who i think is mafia. But like...it seems like a lot of the people who don't do that are here in this game and want to work with you right? Me, Artanis, it seems like you and HF could work together if you tried...BC not beyond reason. Like I think you're tunneled on Calix sure, but I'm not berating you for it or anything, I just want to understand man. And you're not helping me to understand. Err. Not going to lie but like, half the people in this game seem unwilling to truly compromise (me included id say). People are near refusing to try and read other players as anything but they seem. Like. For instance, nothing that has happened this game day makes me change my read on bugs. In fact I understand exactly why he raged at koshis claim. When you have more or less all the vets on complete opposite spectrums in terms of our reads its almost for sure that 1) we are all bad 2) at least 1 - 2 of us are mafia 3) both of the above Also, some of the people that have berated Rayn in the past (at least in either obs qts, games, etc..) are actually in this game. Not sure why he would want to work together. Fuck with how toxic this thread is, I can easily understand just playing to prove ones own competence regardless of the outcome.
Bro I get it too, I'm trying to talk him into working with me what is this post even?
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Ugh whatever man, fine don't work with me. Just one of many this game.
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was also not easy to even get some form of consolidation d1 for the lynch
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put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc...
We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...
Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\
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On May 25 2019 20:10 disformation wrote:
was also not easy to even get some form of consolidation d1 for the lynch
The funny part is it wasn't hard at all, I was able to get consolidation onto iGrok then I FUCKED IT UP by being appealed to by Bugs. Then he TOLD me he would betray me, I didn't believe him, AND HE DID IT, AND I WAS SURPRISED BY IT!!!
God I'm dumb.
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On May 25 2019 20:10 disformation wrote:
was also not easy to even get some form of consolidation d1 for the lynch
It hasn't even been easy getting consolidation on either of todays lynches. Look at the unvotes and revotes etc...
Unless both candidates are mafia, hell even if only one is, its still a field day for mafia given how chaotic and at eachothers throats we all are.
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On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc...
We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...
Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\
Well clearly you aren't reading our interaction or you wouldn't have posted this.
Anyway thanks for trying to mansplain rayn to me BC <3
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On May 25 2019 20:04 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you will not have my vote becaus Calix and Conversion are mafia and i don't know who the third one is. Conversion plays really good if he is mafia. Consistent and smart posts. I think he is like 10% mafia tops though. Very tops. I dont see it. think there was a weird interaction conv and calix had. rayn had a good post on it. was kinda like calix: conv what is your read on x. conv: super non commital stuff on x. and then nothing happens. think rayn explains it in here: Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:VE: On May 22 2019 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
here is what conversion did last night:
iGrok has his stupid (sorry man it was stupid) propositional calculus case.
Conv says he has read iGrok's post, and says he will go read HF and Calix
Instead of reading HF and Calix he takes part into "proving" iGrok's "case"
Then he ends up reading ruxxar and votes for him. On May 22 2019 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not honestly too interested in Artanis atm, Calix and then probably Conversion need to die, then figure out which one of BC/Artanis/iGrok is mafia. On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote:
I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.
I got it from this post: On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote:
I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.
Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? [...] On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today. Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this. I mean: Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis. I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix. On May 23 2019 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
reiteratating:
she asks you for reads
you say basically nothing
everyone lives happily ever after On May 23 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should. I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people. I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else: I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!). also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game. In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist tl;dr I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you I tried reading your case on Koshi but i stopped because i felt like it didn't really go anywhere. Can you summarize some key points in it if you want to be listened? It's not like mafia slips in every post of theirs and i dont really understand why you focus so much on his meta when i think his meta this game clearly says he is town. I also have no idea why you participated that dumb iGrok thing D1. It was dumb and i think you should know that. I also don't know why you scumread VE because regardless of what VE ever wrote or what you wrote on him he is like Conversion just 5 years earlier and i think you should recognize same town!attributes (that i agree are not uselful but most people still do them) you just described you don't want to get into yourself in this game. On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
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I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder. I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town.
I like this summary.
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Meh, something that needed to be said regardless.
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On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc...
We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...
Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\
hey, I posed a couple questions to you earlier today at #3533, would appreciate if you take a look 
I think we're actually quite close to solving the game. I should have something right at the end of n2 which you should watch out for. I want you to reach your own conclusions before I spill my beans on you though. Also that sounds gross but be prepared for that to happen after I get your responses.
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Sry if you're repeating yourself BC but what's your take on iGrok? I know you're red on Artanis but where are you on iGrok?
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On May 25 2019 19:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 19:32 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mhm then why is everyone voting not Calix? Because you don't care enough to try and get people to vote Calix obviously. Instead everyone lynching iGrok because HF has a big huge case on him. I've made my case already. Still dont think iGrko is mafia and HF case is not as strong as claims. Dfinitely not timeline case strong.
That's not even the case. You haven't even read it lol.
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On May 25 2019 20:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:04 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you will not have my vote becaus Calix and Conversion are mafia and i don't know who the third one is. Conversion plays really good if he is mafia. Consistent and smart posts. I think he is like 10% mafia tops though. Very tops. I dont see it. think there was a weird interaction conv and calix had. rayn had a good post on it. was kinda like calix: conv what is your read on x. conv: super non commital stuff on x. and then nothing happens. think rayn explains it in here: On May 24 2019 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:VE: On May 22 2019 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
here is what conversion did last night:
iGrok has his stupid (sorry man it was stupid) propositional calculus case.
Conv says he has read iGrok's post, and says he will go read HF and Calix
Instead of reading HF and Calix he takes part into "proving" iGrok's "case"
Then he ends up reading ruxxar and votes for him. On May 22 2019 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not honestly too interested in Artanis atm, Calix and then probably Conversion need to die, then figure out which one of BC/Artanis/iGrok is mafia. On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote:
I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.
I got it from this post: On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote:
I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.
Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? [...] On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today. Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this. I mean: Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis. I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix. On May 23 2019 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
reiteratating:
she asks you for reads
you say basically nothing
everyone lives happily ever after On May 23 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should. I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people. I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else: I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!). also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game. In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist tl;dr I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you I tried reading your case on Koshi but i stopped because i felt like it didn't really go anywhere. Can you summarize some key points in it if you want to be listened? It's not like mafia slips in every post of theirs and i dont really understand why you focus so much on his meta when i think his meta this game clearly says he is town. I also have no idea why you participated that dumb iGrok thing D1. It was dumb and i think you should know that. I also don't know why you scumread VE because regardless of what VE ever wrote or what you wrote on him he is like Conversion just 5 years earlier and i think you should recognize same town!attributes (that i agree are not uselful but most people still do them) you just described you don't want to get into yourself in this game. On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
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I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder. I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town. I like this summary.
But I still dont know if it makes conversion mafia. Eventually he did what he had to do. And the iGrok thing.. Dnu.
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On May 25 2019 19:37 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 19:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2019 19:32 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mhm then why is everyone voting not Calix? Because you don't care enough to try and get people to vote Calix obviously. Instead everyone lynching iGrok because HF has a big huge case on him. I've made my case already. Still dont think iGrko is mafia and HF case is not as strong as claims. Dfinitely not timeline case strong. i think that was a trap attempt by hf, cause hf cropped the image in a way that not all lines were shown.
I didn't crop it, that was literally the image igrok posted.
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On May 25 2019 20:15 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc...
We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...
Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\ Well clearly you aren't reading our interaction or you wouldn't have posted this. Anyway thanks for trying to mansplain rayn to me BC <3
ill claim that as revenge for you trying to mansplain how to use ctrl+f in someones filter...
On May 25 2019 20:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:04 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you will not have my vote becaus Calix and Conversion are mafia and i don't know who the third one is. Conversion plays really good if he is mafia. Consistent and smart posts. I think he is like 10% mafia tops though. Very tops. I dont see it. think there was a weird interaction conv and calix had. rayn had a good post on it. was kinda like calix: conv what is your read on x. conv: super non commital stuff on x. and then nothing happens. think rayn explains it in here: On May 24 2019 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:VE: On May 22 2019 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
here is what conversion did last night:
iGrok has his stupid (sorry man it was stupid) propositional calculus case.
Conv says he has read iGrok's post, and says he will go read HF and Calix
Instead of reading HF and Calix he takes part into "proving" iGrok's "case"
Then he ends up reading ruxxar and votes for him. On May 22 2019 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not honestly too interested in Artanis atm, Calix and then probably Conversion need to die, then figure out which one of BC/Artanis/iGrok is mafia. On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote:
I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.
I got it from this post: On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote:
I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.
Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? [...] On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today. Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this. I mean: Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis. I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix. On May 23 2019 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
reiteratating:
she asks you for reads
you say basically nothing
everyone lives happily ever after On May 23 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should. I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people. I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else: I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!). also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game. In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist tl;dr I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you I tried reading your case on Koshi but i stopped because i felt like it didn't really go anywhere. Can you summarize some key points in it if you want to be listened? It's not like mafia slips in every post of theirs and i dont really understand why you focus so much on his meta when i think his meta this game clearly says he is town. I also have no idea why you participated that dumb iGrok thing D1. It was dumb and i think you should know that. I also don't know why you scumread VE because regardless of what VE ever wrote or what you wrote on him he is like Conversion just 5 years earlier and i think you should recognize same town!attributes (that i agree are not uselful but most people still do them) you just described you don't want to get into yourself in this game. On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
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I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder. I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town. I like this summary.
think you had a post where you implied calix asks a lot of questions but doesnt do a lot of conclusiosn/follow ups on that? do you have more examples? from the top of my head the only time that happened was the stuff with conv. thats also why i want to check her filter tbh.
anyways... still need to do groceries. see you guys in like 30
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On May 25 2019 20:20 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:15 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc...
We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...
Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\ Well clearly you aren't reading our interaction or you wouldn't have posted this. Anyway thanks for trying to mansplain rayn to me BC <3 ill claim that as revenge for you trying to mansplain how to use ctrl+f in someones filter... Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:16 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 20:04 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you will not have my vote becaus Calix and Conversion are mafia and i don't know who the third one is. Conversion plays really good if he is mafia. Consistent and smart posts. I think he is like 10% mafia tops though. Very tops. I dont see it. think there was a weird interaction conv and calix had. rayn had a good post on it. was kinda like calix: conv what is your read on x. conv: super non commital stuff on x. and then nothing happens. think rayn explains it in here: On May 24 2019 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:VE: On May 22 2019 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
here is what conversion did last night:
iGrok has his stupid (sorry man it was stupid) propositional calculus case.
Conv says he has read iGrok's post, and says he will go read HF and Calix
Instead of reading HF and Calix he takes part into "proving" iGrok's "case"
Then he ends up reading ruxxar and votes for him. On May 22 2019 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not honestly too interested in Artanis atm, Calix and then probably Conversion need to die, then figure out which one of BC/Artanis/iGrok is mafia. On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote:
I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.
I got it from this post: On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote:
I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.
Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? [...] On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today. Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this. I mean: Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis. I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix. On May 23 2019 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
reiteratating:
she asks you for reads
you say basically nothing
everyone lives happily ever after On May 23 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should. I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people. I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else: I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!). also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game. In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist tl;dr I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you I tried reading your case on Koshi but i stopped because i felt like it didn't really go anywhere. Can you summarize some key points in it if you want to be listened? It's not like mafia slips in every post of theirs and i dont really understand why you focus so much on his meta when i think his meta this game clearly says he is town. I also have no idea why you participated that dumb iGrok thing D1. It was dumb and i think you should know that. I also don't know why you scumread VE because regardless of what VE ever wrote or what you wrote on him he is like Conversion just 5 years earlier and i think you should recognize same town!attributes (that i agree are not uselful but most people still do them) you just described you don't want to get into yourself in this game. On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
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I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder. I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town. I like this summary. think you had a post where you implied calix asks a lot of questions but doesnt do a lot of conclusiosn/follow ups on that? do you have more examples? from the top of my head the only time that happened was the stuff with conv. thats also why i want to check her filter tbh. anyways... still need to do groceries. see you guys in like 30
Bro you have NO IDEA how much I wished someone had told me these things when I started here.
But whatever.
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